Clinton’s path to the nomination gets longer, more circuitous

The NYT’s Adam Nagourney explains today that the Clinton campaign is looking at the landscape, and sees a difficult path to the nomination. The campaign does, however, have some key metrics in mind that, they hope, could make matters easier.

Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton needs three breaks to wrest the Democratic presidential nomination from Senator Barack Obama in the view of her advisers.

She has to defeat Mr. Obama soundly in Pennsylvania next month to buttress her argument that she holds an advantage in big general election states.

She needs to lead in the total popular vote after the primaries end in June.

And Mrs. Clinton is looking for some development to shake confidence in Mr. Obama so that superdelegates, Democratic Party leaders and elected officials who are free to decide which candidate to support overturn his lead among the pledged delegates from primaries and caucuses.

Some of these points seem far more plausible than others. Winning Pennsylvania shouldn’t pose too difficult a challenge for Clinton; in fact, the Obama campaign expects to lose the state and has already begun campaigning in post-Pennsylvania contests (his schedule today, for example, includes stops in Oregon and West Virginia).

It’s those other two breaks that get a little tricky.

On the popular vote, as we recently discussed, Obama already enjoys a rather healthy lead, which is likely to prove insurmountable. The NYT piece noted that

Mr. Obama’s edge over Mrs. Clinton is 700,000 votes out of 26 million cast, excluding caucuses and the disputed Florida and Michigan results. About 12 million people are eligible to vote in the remaining contests.

Aides to the two candidates said even with the best possible showing for Mrs. Clinton in the states ahead, it was hard to see how she could pass Mr. Obama without Michigan and Florida.

It creates the awkward dynamic in which Obama will probably enter the convention with more delegates, votes, and states, and the Clinton campaign will insist that superdelegates back her anyway.

Which segues nicely to the third point: shaking confidence in Obama.

To a certain extent, the Clinton campaign has already been at least partially successful in this. With the “kitchen-sink strategy” before the Texas and Ohio contests, Clinton was able to boost Obama’s negatives for the first time since, well, ever. Party insiders who had begun to think of Obama as the inevitable nominee after 11 straight February victories suddenly started to look at him as vulnerable.

But it’s the Jeremiah Wright controversy that matters.

Mrs. Clinton’s advisers had hoped that the uproar over inflammatory remarks made by Mr. Obama’s longtime pastor that has rocked his campaign for a week might lead voters and superdelegates to question whether they really know enough about Mr. Obama to back him. […]

Mrs. Clinton’s aides hope that disclosures about Mr. Obama’s past like the one involving Mr. Wright could give superdelegates’ pause. […]

Mrs. Clinton’s advisers said they had spent recent days making the case to wavering superdelegates that Mr. Obama’s association with Mr. Wright would doom their party in the general election.

That argument could be Mrs. Clinton’s last hope for winning this contest.

It’s a tough road. If the Clinton campaign is seen as taking advantage of the Wright controversy, the backlash among Democrats would likely be intense. Former Mondale campaign manager Bob Beckel said yesterday, “Many liberals like myself, who would be happy to support Hillary Clinton if she earned the nomination, would abandon her if her campaign seeks to exploit the Wright controversy either in the remaining contests or with superdelegates.”

But does she have any choice?

But does she have any choice?

Sure, she could bow out gracefully, come out strongly in support of Obama, and start helping him raise money for the general.

Oh, and she could stop telling people that McCain has a lifetime of experience and has passed the CIC test.

But, as a member of the reality based community, I know that’s not going to happen. But she does have a choice.

  • Mrs. Clinton’s advisers said they had spent recent days making the case to wavering superdelegates that Mr. Obama’s association with Mr. Wright would doom their party in the general election…If the Clinton campaign is seen as taking advantage of the Wright controversy, the backlash among Democrats would likely be intense.

    Clearly, the Clinton campaign is taking advantage of the Wright controversy. This is no surprise, because if identity voting is what gets her to the White House, then identity voting it is.

    Hillary has sought to inject both race and gender into this campaign throughout because to the extent that people vote identity over issues, she benefits since the numbers are on her side. Of course, she’s demonstrated that she’s more than happy to take the nomination any way she can.

    This woman has made a deal with the devil.

  • We’ve known for quite a while now that she had but one chance at this thing, to tear down Obama somehow and then get the supers to hand her the nomination. Now we see the weapon she’ll use. And we know that all the new folks Obama is bringing in aren’t going to like her much after she does that, so she’s banking on fewer voters in the fall being disgusted enough with Bush to elect her (even with her negatives, which will be even higher in the fall, after she loses the black voters and the Republicans do their dirty work dredging up all the shit that there is on her).

    If the supers don’t stop this trainwreck then McCain will be the next president and we’ll get a SCOTUS from hell for a generation, among other things. War with Iran? Probably.

    Hillary is a dead corpse politically, and she’s about to roll into the lake and poison it for a long time. I cannot understand what the supers are waiting for.

    Bury her already.

  • I have a feeling that Hillary is increasingly willing to sacrifice her Party for the sake of winning. She’s putting her short term self interests before the larger interest of the democratic party. But winning ugly is still winning.

    It had looked like she adopted a Huckabee strategy after 11 loss streak and just get to the convention. But now we see that this is not fair to ol’Huck with his recent showing of some class.

    Simply put she’s gotta bring Obama down to her level. Except more low blows from these guys.

  • “The campaign does, however, have some key metrics in mind that, they hope, could make matters easier.”

    Quick! Call Karl Rove! This looks like another case for … THE Math!

  • Last night on the news, I watched a clip of Bill Clinton speaking to presumably white blue collar voters yesterday in, I think, Indiana. It took me aback because Clinton told the audience that Obama’s support came from wealthy Dems who did not really care about change. I thought the implication was clear that black voters support Obama because he was black.

    I looked for the clip online because I wanted to watch it again and see if I overreacted to what Clinton had said.

    Ironically, last night TPM posted about wealthy Clinton supporters who are willing to finance a re-vote in Michigan.

  • For a while I had been wondering why Clinton has been strongly urging re-votes in Florida and Michigan when it really wasn’t practical; in fact, it seemed that the more impractical it seemed, the more she pushed for new votes. What electoral difference would it really make? She wouldn’t be likely to win much more than 50 percent and could possibly lose. She wouldn’t gain any significant advantage in delegates or popular vote.

    The I realized that she was trying to de-legitimize the whole primary and make Obama an illegitimate candidate. This would give superdelegates a rationale for supporting her.

    This realization was very disheartening to me. I hope my cynicism is wrong, but my intuition is telling me I’m proably right.

  • Hillary’s fellow Wal-Mart board member: “Labor unions are nothing but blood sucking parasites living off the productive labor of people who work for a living.

    In response to comment number 7 above, blue collar voters considering voting for Hillary should take a look at this YouTube video report describing how Hillary was a member of the Wal-Mart Board of Directors during a six-year period when they were discriminating against women, busting unions, and purchasing products from third-world factories that used child labor (while simultaneously conducting a bogus “buy America” P.R. campaign).

  • This isn’t politics. It’s an attempt at a putsch.

    I’ve had a bit of a chuckle watching Clinton extremists and the right wing noise machine try to publish the “he threw his grandmother under the bus” meme.

    Can you imagine what would happen to the Democratic party if the superdelegates threw Barack Obama’s entire campaign, and its million mile road of donors, under the proverbial bus?

    It is such an absurd and immoral idea that it is hard to believe it is being floated at all.
    But I guess the possibility of such a putsch will give the trolls something to troll about…

    But here is the truth:
    It ain’t gonna happen. Not this time. Nor any time. It is just too morally absurd.

  • Sopmeone wonders who it was who sent all the Wright videos to news outlets?

    The Clinton campaign in its desperation to prove that it’s The Empress’ “turn” is already seen as doing all this.

    As to her achieving any of her three goals, forget it. She may win Pennsylvania, but not by the “blowout” she expects. As to the other two, “Clinton Supporter” should now be seen as a delusional mental disorder.

  • One north country explorer always had his group camp just short of a cold river. That way the first thing they did the next morning was get wet and cold which kept them from wasting time trying to dodge cold rivers all day the next day. Clinton is Obama’s first cold river. Better now than in October.

  • Obama supporters need to get over themselves. Get a job in the blue collar sector and quit all the latte sipping Lexes driving liberal bull.

    When Hillary beats Obama like a stepchild in PA by about a million votes all things change and the nomination is hers. This Wright controversy is not going away. Already there are Republican 527’s coming out with ads about it.

    This isn’t about Obama or Clinton this is about who is electable in November and thats where the attention should be. If I were a super I could imagine how hard it can be to choose if I was an elected official choose wrong and lose my seat in 2010.

  • And because of this woman today’s polls have McCain rocketing ahead to double digit leads in the polls after being handily beaten by EITHER dem in the fall.

    She is doing damage to the party…no doubt!

  • If Clinton games the system to “win” the nomination, she’ll not only pave the way for a McCain victory in November, she’ll disillusion the millions of young voters inspired by Obama, causing them to drop out of the political process, weakening the Democratic party for the next generation. I wouldn’t be surprised if she then did a Lieberman, switched her party affiliation and ran again for President as a Republican.

  • Cumback Bill, “This Wright controversy is not going away.

    Cumback Bill meant, “I hope this Wright controversy is not going away.”

  • Well, conceivably she could try making the case that she’s the one who can beat McCain. And her surrogates, including all her online fans, however new, can help by trying to steer the debate in that direction.

  • We all learned in 2004 how Rove-led Publicans could turn an opponent’s strengths into liabilities with the Swift Boat lying. Now we see a variation on that theme from Bill Clinton – project your own weaknesses onto your opponent. For him of all people, a founding member of the DLC which is the Democratic wing of the Corporatocracy, to say that Senator Obama is a candidate of the rich is beyond simple lying – it is massive deceit on multiple levels.

  • Comeback Bill said:
    Obama supporters need to get over themselves. Get a job in the blue collar sector and quit all the latte sipping Lexes driving liberal bull.

    This isn’t about Obama or Clinton this is about who is electable in November and thats where the attention should be.

    Wrong again, Comeback Bill. I started out in a mailroom and worked my way up to warehouse supervisor. Eleven years ago I went out and opened my own business.

    As far as I’m concerned, this isn’t as much about who’s electable. It’s about what they’ll do after they’re elected. Obama is my third choice, but I’ve always been against Clinton. We don’t need a continuation of the war in Iraq and a new war in Iran. We don’t need someone who supported the Defense of Bigotry Marriage Act. We need to re-work NAFTA and our other trade agreements so we have Fair Trade — i.e. American businesses getting the same treatment in other countries that their businesses get from the U.S.

    We need to reform the entire health care system, not just use taxpayer money to subsidize the outrageous cost of private health insurance. We need to cut our us of all fossil fuels, not just marginally cut the use of imported oil.

    And we need a president who can inspire all the people, not just the people who voted for them.

    Obama may be untested, but Clinton has been tested — and has been found wanting.

  • More lack of thinking from CB Bill – “This isn’t about Obama or Clinton this is about who is electable in November” – and just who else might it be about – is their some other electable person in the equation?

    I won’t comment on the lack of grammatical skill, except to note that it usually goes hand in hand with lack of clarity.

  • Hey Comeback Bill, do you think the Clintons should cough up the names of the people who have been giving them millions of dollars? Or should that remain a secret until after the primary? Or maybe they shouldn’t have to ever tell us where their millions came from?

    Just curious.

  • When Hillary beats Obama like a stepchild in PA by about a million votes… -Comeback Bill

    I think you’re grossly overestimating both the turnout and her performance.

    …quit all the latte sipping Lexes driving liberal bull. -Comeback Bill

    Seriously? This is the level you’re sinking to. How very GOP of you. Besides, it’s Lexuses, and the latte sippers prefer Volkswagens, anyway, natch.

    Already there are Republican 527’s coming out with ads about it. -Comeback Bill

    Oh, dear, no! The Republicans are making attack ads. We must find another candidate quickly! One the Republicans won’t attack! Run for the hills!

    This isn’t about Obama or Clinton… -Comeback Bill

    Well, you’re right about that. It’s about realism versus petty, sore-loserism.

  • @23

    Thanks! I got the creeps when I first read Sharlet’s Harper’s story about the Fellowship in 2003. I had no idea that Hillary was involved with these high falutin’ cultists. Seems like she’s got some explaining to do.

    The way I see it, once a Goldwater girl, always a Goldwater girl.

  • BTW, here is link to the Mother Jones article about Clinton and the Fellowship. A must read!

    Maybe Hillary can explain why she is associated with a group that thinks men and women should be segregated into cells to pray:

    When Clinton first came to Washington in 1993, one of her first steps was to join a Bible study group. For the next eight years, she regularly met with a Christian “cell” whose members included Susan Baker, wife of Bush consigliere James Baker; Joanne Kemp, wife of conservative icon Jack Kemp; Eileen Bakke, wife of Dennis Bakke, a leader in the anti-union Christian management movement; and Grace Nelson, the wife of Senator Bill Nelson, a conservative Florida Democrat.

  • Hmmm. My first job was Taco Bell and my second was in a print shop, where I worked 40 hours while taking 12 to 15 units of colllege. My current job is a desk job where I do some tech writing and provide support for an IT help desk. I have a mortgage and too much credit card debt. I am still struggling to get through college almost 20 years after I graduated high school because nobody ever gave me any advantages. Yep, I’m a real elitist liberal.

    I am really getting tired of lazy thinking.

    Oh, but I do like lattes.

  • Funny how the 50-state strategy of Obama’s doesn’t include PA.

    Either way, she needs to win big. Big big, like twenty points or more. Go go girl ^-^

    Shorter version of the responses here: Quick! Clinton might win! Look over here! MUD!

  • 11. Tom Cleaver

    Sopmeone wonders who it was who sent all the Wright videos to news outlets?

    The Clinton campaign in its desperation to prove that it’s The Empress’ “turn” is already seen as doing all this.

    Or it could had been when Louis Farrakhan endorsing Obama from the same church which led to Rev. Wright in the first place. Then Obama’s subsequent denials of ever hearing Rev. Wright preach these black supremest remarks. Also the church coming under scrutiny from the IRS because a religious organization is not allowed to publicly support a politician.

    Nah. The Clinton campaign must have had to dig REAL deep to come up with this angle.

  • Clinton is going to win, you can’t change that with all of the dreaming and spinning going on here. If she doesn’t win, then democrats lose in November.

    Like ComeBack Bill says, this just isn’t going away, the republican 527’s are going to ruin Obama, and if he is the nominee, they will ruin the democrats chances by divide & conquer strategy against dems.

  • Greg @31 has totally convinced me. I don’t know why anyone even bothers with providing arguments and discussing anything, when all you’ve got to do is make assertions and they’ll come true. While Obama people continue to report reality, Hillary’s people keep inventing it. And just as we saw with the Bushies, all you’ve got to do is insult your opponents while insisting that your fantasies are reality, and your dreams will come true. And with Democrats still unable to get Bush below the 15% approval rating, it’s obvious that this strategy has been a huge success.

    Now I’m going to take Comeback Bill’s advice and stop sipping all these lattes, close my bookkeeping business, and get a job in a steel mill. Because as we’ve all heard from the media, only blue collar people count. Everyone else is clueless and un-American. Low information voters who don’t read blogs are surely the most politically savvy.

  • Clinton doesn’t give a rat’s backside about the Democratic party, because it has become something more than what she wants it to be. It’s not just a “17-state Party” anymore; Dean has effectively turned it into a 50-state Party. That brings in millions of voters who won’t play the game by Hillary’s Rules. It’s now a Party that can go to hell, for all she cares.

  • Yeah, your are right she may win the nomination but guaranteed SHE WILL LOSE to John McCain and this will damage the Democratic Party. If after all the lies, sleaze and mud slinging she loses to McCain…. then what??????? I doubt that she will retain her Senate seat. The “old” establishment – can’t stand Hillary. Regarding the Rev. Wright incident wait until you see “ALL” the past and current scandals regarding the Clintons…………….

  • Love the term “The Empress”…………… “IT’S HER TURN”………… I don’t know about anyone else but this is definitely not a “Predsidental” attitude – sounds like BUSH……………….

  • Wake up people, it’s politics. If more shit sticks to you, you lose. It doesn’t matter if it’s Obama or Hillary, they are virtually the same candidate but she’s smarter and he talks better. It could have been a dream ticket if the smarter one is on top and the great speaker could have gained valuable foreign policy experience. Now, we just have to let it play out and live with whatever happens. It could have been worse (what did happen to Jeb??).

  • Hillary is a Champion!

    Hillary has championed the rights of Michigan and Florida citizens right to be counted!

    The DNC has approved the plan!

    Michigan Hillary supporters are ready to get there fellow citizens voices counted

    Senator Obama keeps finding a way to say NO to counting both Florida and Michigan’s voices

    Senator Obama’s supporters are blocking there own citizens voices from being counted

    WHY? Who is playing politics?

  • Check out the latest polls on the next 3 primaries. Big time votes for hillary.
    People don’t like people that say they spent 20 years in a church and didn’t hear anything offensive from Wright. What is it that’s okay about a lie like that? Not me.

    No way can Obama survive the 527’s that Rove is working on.

    WE need someone that can change all the signature laws that Bush signed and stop business from ignoring the financial laws already on the books. Our middle class and students can’t survive the predatory loans that are throwing us out into the street, homeless.

    This is about surviving the republican slime machine and getting elected. Obama can’t get himself elected to dog catcher right now. He has to mend his religious negatives and show some real work on middle class relief in congress. What has he done? He sure didn’t care about chairing the Afghanistan commission…

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