Clinton’s unpaid bills — do they matter?

Like her poll numbers, Hillary Clinton’s campaign finances have seen some ups and downs. The campaign looked to be in good shape in December, but then struggled a few months ago, prompting Clinton to make a $5 million loan to herself. After the media highlighted the campaign’s troubles, Clinton donors rallied and seemingly put the campaign back on track, though by the end of February, it looked as if Team Clinton was operating in the red again.

With this background in mind, reports about the campaign failing to pay its bills are only going to feed the perception that the Clinton operation has financial troubles.

Hillary Rodham Clinton’s cash-strapped presidential campaign has been putting off paying hundreds of bills for months — freeing up cash for critical media buys but also earning the campaign a reputation as something of a deadbeat in some small-business circles.

A pair of Ohio companies owed more than $25,000 by Clinton for staging events for her campaign are warning others in the tight-knit event production community — and anyone else who will listen — to get their cash upfront when doing business with her. Her campaign, say representatives of the two companies, has stopped returning phone calls and e-mails seeking payment of outstanding invoices. One even got no response from a certified letter.

Their cautionary tales, combined with published reports about similar difficulties faced by a New Hampshire landlord, an Iowa office cleaner and a New York caterer, highlight a less-obvious impact of Clinton’s inability to keep up with the staggering fundraising pace set by her opponent for the Democratic presidential nomination, Illinois Sen. Barack Obama.

It’s one thing to push off paying high-priced consultants (Clinton reportedly owes Mark Penn $2.5 million), but the campaign’s problems are more noteworthy because they affect small businesses, many of which have employees who seem quite annoyed that their bills have so far gone unpaid.

Complicating matters, the Politico added today that among the campaign’s debts are unpaid health insurance premiums for Clinton’s campaign staff.

I’m still trying to decide, though, whether stories like this have an impact or not.

It’s hard to imagine a credible number of voters seriously arguing, “I was going to vote for Clinton, but then I heard she got behind in paying her bills, so I’m switching my support.” For that matter, it’s possible that most of the public won’t hear much about this at all — the Politico report ran yesterday, and as far as I can tell, major media outlets haven’t picked up on this at all. The campaign-vendor constituency, while important, is still rather small.

That said, as far as public relations are concerned, this probably isn’t the kind of story the Clinton team welcomes. On the one hand, it makes it appear as the campaign isn’t looking out for small businesses:

The Clinton campaign paid the [production company Forty Two of Youngstown, Ohio] $16,500 to set up a stage, press riser, sound system and backdrops at a Youngstown high school last month for a raucous union rally, where an aggressive Clinton stump speech drew thunderous applause. But the Clinton campaign has yet to pay Forty Two for two other February events, and the employee said the campaign has stopped returning phone calls, e-mails and didn’t respond to a certified letter.

“We worked very hard to put together these events on a moment’s notice and do absolutely everything to a ‘t’ to make it look perfect on television for her and for her campaign,” said the employee. “Sen. Clinton talks about helping working families, people in unions and small businesses. But when it comes down to actually doing something that shows that she can back up her words with action, she fails.”

Forty Two also has done events for Obama’s campaign, which has paid its bills promptly, according to the employee. FEC records show Obama’s campaign paid the company $18,500.

And on the other hand, this is a point at which the Clinton team is anxious to prove to the party (and its donors) that the campaign is strong and prepared for the long haul. Stories with the word “deadbeat” in the lede aren’t helpful at all.

Maybe it’s true that the impressions you manage to create are more real than reality, as long as you can carry it off. It doesn’t take a political analyst to see that teetering on the edge of bankruptcy pretty much defines the polar opposite of momentum.

However, recent disclosures suggest the Clintons have seldom had a problem with reality, and have chosen to embellish it when they thought it served the purpose and was for America’s own good. Consider this example http://www.ocregister.com/commentary/mark-steyn-hillary-2007270-stranger-than , in which the suggestion that Hillary was named for Sir Edmund Hillary is dissected and mocked. Granted, it’s by Mark Steyn, who is a Republican sympathizer extraordinaire and often invites shooting. However, it’s still interesting and, if true that the allegation is enshrined in Bill Clinton’s memoirs (which I haven’t read), it’s both relevant to the present and fair game.

  • This story only reinforces what many of us have come to learn over the last several weeks and months…Hillary is dishonest and self-serving.

    She’s a huge disappointment to progressives. Her approval ratings are falling and her disapproval ratings are climbing. Is it any wonder?

  • It’s one thing to owe money to people like Penn, it’s another to not pay small business owners OR your staff’s health insurance premiums. It’s not something she wants to be in a position to defend.

    I think this *could* end up becoming an issue for her, especially since Obama’s campaign is being run so differently. How they run their campaigns can be construed to reflect how they’d run the White House.

    Also, I just heard a second ago, the MSM has started talking about it– MSNBC just ran a teaser ad about “Hillary’s trouble paying her bills” and the impact it might have on her campaign. All in all it makes her look like she has weak support at a time when she needs to appear strongly supported.

  • Sure they have an impact.

    You can be absolutely sure that small businesses all over Pennsylvania and Indiana are asking for cashiers’ checks.

  • Now, wait a minute. Doesn’t Hillary wake up every morning thinking about the little people? Maybe she thinks clearer at 3AM. Her crediters should try calling her then.

  • “We worked very hard to put together these events on a moment’s notice and do absolutely everything to a ‘t’ to make it look perfect on television for her and for her campaign,” said the employee. “Sen. Clinton talks about helping working families, people in unions and small businesses. But when it comes down to actually doing something that shows that she can back up her words with action, she fails.” (from Politico)

    And, of course this has been splashed all over the media because the media has been so unfair to Clinton.

    Oh, wait….

    Well then, the management of the production company is telling lies because they are secretly part of the racist, America-hating, Farrakhan-loving, anti-semitic cabal of Obama cultists.

    Yeah, that’s the ticket.

  • Oh yeah. Put this chick in charge of the deficit.
    “Mind if we put off those T-Bills for a few eensy-weensy months???”

    When Howard Dean sent out a fundraising pitch email in spring of ’04 to put campaign debts to bed, I was disgusted.
    He had been unaware that they’d been burning money. This was a nasty little habit he hadn’t demonstrated while governor of Vermont and I frowned on his having put people in charge who allowed it to happen.

    It looks no better when the same thing has blindsided her royal highness.
    Say what you want about McCain, when he was having fundraising troubles, he scaled back. Yes, he also applied for matching funds and got loans based on that assurance which is highly questionable, I know. Still, he was AWARE of the problem and taking measures. Smart, if ethically dicey.

  • This could have two effects, depending on how it’s played/spun:
    1.) HRC is trouble and this is sign that further support (contributions) will be wasted. The “loser” scenerio.
    2.) HRC is in trouble and “we” (HRC supporters) need to jump in and help. The “winner” scenerio.

    Either of these scenerios (I’ve oversimplified a great deal) could take off but given everything else my money is on the first one.

  • “I’m still trying to decide, though, whether stories like this have an impact or not.

    It’s hard to imagine a credible number of voters seriously arguing, ‘I was going to vote for Clinton, but then I heard she got behind in paying her bills, so I’m switching my support.'”

    I think it makes a big difference, as it speaks to the level of support she continues to generate, or is unable to generate. She got lots of donations from A-list donors who can’t support her anymore. She’s not generating as much support among us wee folk. But Obama is still bringing in support from people donating what ever they can afford, making the sacrifice to keep him going. Clinton’s mounting debt gives the impression that she’s not bringing anybody new into the fold, and those that are supporting her expect to be paid (I know, the nerve). Whereas anyone who pays attention to these matters has been impressed with Obama’s ability to generate so much volunteer support, which helps to keep money in the bank as well.

    Clinton being out of cash suggest she’s out of steam, and will soon be out of time. AND it gives her an “out.” She can resign her campaign by saying she just couldn’t ask people to keep working for free, and she couldn’t ask for more financial support than she already received (skirting the issue that those willing to contribute probably have already contributed either all they can afford, or all they’re allowed by law). So for those “little people,” she has no choice but to concede. And then we can focus all our attention on making McCain look foolish.

  • The Atlanta-Journal Constitution’s columnist Jay Bookman made an excellent observation today, that I thought worth repeating —

    [Hillary Clinton] insists that the process continue, on the grounds that the people are sovereign and must be allowed to have their say. Then, switching gears, she also argues that once the people have had their say, the superdelegates have the right to overturn the people’s verdict in her favor.

    Within the bubble in which she and her advisers live, that convoluted argument makes sense, because it is the only argument that allows them to continue. But most of those outside that bubble can see the argument for what it is, a fantasy born of breathing the fumes of the campaign bus too long.

  • Drudge has the politico story.

    Someone said recently that Bill Clinton hasn’t got into a cold car since 1992. I think the Clintons may have forgotten the way we “little people” live. Paying their bills on time would be a good start at reconnecting.

  • I got an e-mail from the Clinton campaign (not sure how they got the address, I’ve never given them any money) asking to help them reach their March goal of $3 million. I’m thinking, isn’t Obama going to top 1 million Donors this month alone? (putting him at over 2 million donors total?)

    If that really is their goal, they’re getting killed on yet another front…

  • Given the last 8 years you’d think we would have had enough of presidents who can’t balance a budget.

  • The mismanagement of her campaign, from finances to cronyism to rewarding failure, is all anyone should need to know to determine she’d make an awful President. She should have quit while she could’ve continued to be an effective Senator. Now, she’ll just be a punchline.

  • Geez, of course Bill Clinton doesn’t get into a cold car, he’s a fucking President, ya numbnuts.

    But we also don’t know how much of this story is true, or is merely a representation of what happens when you switch managers mid-stream because one was spending money irresponsibly.

  • It matters.

    Senator Clinton should be forced to pay her old bills before she is allowed to create new ones. That’s how it works for the rest of us.

  • The real impact isn’t political. Most people don’t care. The real impact is operationally: if true, the Clinton campaign simply can’t continue their campaign indefinitely. Political pressure won’t make her drop out. Financial pressure will.

  • [Hillary Clinton] insists that the process continue, on the grounds that the people are sovereign and must be allowed to have their say. Then, switching gears, she also argues that once the people have had their say, the superdelegates have the right to overturn the people’s verdict in her favor.

    Exactly. And the fact that the Clintons use whatever “logic” they need to surprises exactly no one. What saddens me is that these people used to work their “magic” for us (and the way they did business, real and imagined, pissed off the “conservatives” no end). Now we’re in the position of saying to the repentant “conservative” crossover voters that we no longer support the people they railed against and that we need them to now support the newest person we support. I knew back in the 90’s that the Clintons were a bit slimy, but the Republicans were so much worse and the Clintons were so good at beating them that the sliminess was tolerable.

    I’m glad Obama seems to have a different way of doing business, but I do wonder if he will need the greasey Clintonian chops to properly whack the Republicans, especially with McWingnut getting his MSM Free Ride.

  • Paying their bills on time would be a good start at reconnecting. -Ed Stephan

    Actually, irresponsibly running up huge debts you can’t afford is a better way to connect with most Americans.

  • Well this is so unfair – everyone is so sexist – after all, she is a woman. No one would care if she stiffed all the people she owed money to if she were a man. Why should a woman be expected to pay her bills?

    Its so unfair – so unfair…

  • “Sure they have an impact.

    You can be absolutely sure that small businesses all over Pennsylvania and Indiana are asking for cashiers’ checks.”

    What Bruce Wilder says here is exactly correct.

    While to the general voter public this is a process story, how can it be argued that this doesn’t matter to, say, superdelegates? They’ve run their campaign poorly, and there is a price. A substantial part of that price is in appearance to this critical group.

    Suppose, for sake of argument, that they win PA, the others are close, and the supers somehow fall for the reason du jour that they should swing to HRC. What makes one think that her FALL campaign (you know, the one against McCain) will be any better run? Doesn’t that work against the ‘down ticket’ (everybody except the presidential candidate) across the board? A declining tide sinks all ships.

  • Big Dog will just tell the creditors to “chill out.”
    Given that he is such a heroic, persuasive, and moral leader… that should work.

    Drip. Drip….

  • Senator Clinton should be forced to pay her old bills before she is allowed to create new ones. That’s how it works for the rest of us.

    But she’s a woman – that would be, like, so unfair!

  • In the distant past, I campaign managed a statewide Senate campaign that came up short. Like all losing campaigns, once the donors think you can’t win, the money dries up.

    It took awhile but I’m very proud of the fact that every vendor was paid except one.

    Me.

    I would expect that the Clinton’s will be able to retire their campaign debts but you should never let the small businesses be the ones that have to wait.

  • I think this is yet more evidence of why Obama needs to drop out, because the longer he stays in, the worse she makes herself look. And that’s just not a gentlemenly thing to do. We need to all just look the other way and pretend she’s still invincible; lest we want McCain to win in November.

    And in other Clinton Wants To Be The Next Bush news, I agree with Crissa that this might not be Hillary’s fault at all. After all, why should she be held responsible
    for having hired an incompetent crony to run her campaign? I mean, the only political campaigns Solis Doyle had ever managed had been Hillary’s much smaller Senate campaigns; which she also apparently overspent on, despite only token opposition. So why should Hillary try to stay in the loop on what’s going on with one of the most important aspects of her campaign? She delegated this to someone else and that person has been appropriately penalized; so we really need to give Hillary a break.

    I mean, blaming Hillary for Solis Doyle’s mistakes would be like blaming Bush for the troops not doing better in Iraq, or because the American Worker hasn’t been productive enough to save the economy, or because New Orleans didn’t get out of the way of a hurricane. You just can’t blame someone when they hired someone else to handle the job; especially if the person hired was an incompetent yet loyal friend. At the end of the day, you still need your friends, even if they screwed everything up and ruined you; so it’s good to see that Hillary’s got her priorities straight.

  • “I would expect that the Clinton’s will be able to retire their campaign debts but you should never let the small businesses be the ones that have to wait.”

    Your seeing that all bills were paid was an honorable thing to do.

    It’s also atypical, and more often than not, the small businesses are exactly the ones who wait. What, after all, will an Ohio company who printed and distributed banners do? Take them back?

  • the Politico report ran yesterday, and as far as I can tell, major media outlets haven’t picked up on this at all.

    I turned to MSNBC twice today and caught coverage of it both times. It’s out there.

  • Do you remember how much play was given to that false rumor that the Clinton campaign had stiffed a waitress on her tip? That was over $100 to a single person at a single event, and the media was all over it for days.

    We’re now talking about tens of thousands of dollars to multiple people in multiple states — and not voluntary gratuities, but actual bills for services and goods. In the monthlong campaign vacuum, this is going to get a lot of attention.

  • Maybe Hillary should send out an email to all her loyal fans, with a list of campaign debts. Pick one, and make a payment on it.

    Oh, wait—that would mean sending the money to where it’s supposed to go, instead of putting it into Hillary’s pocket.

    Where did this lady learn her business sense, ENRON???

  • Especially good comments today, methinks. Insightful and illuminating with just the right amount of snark (thanks, Dr. Biobrain). Keep up the good work people!

  • From a voter perspective, I doubt this will move the needle one way or the other. But it sure is stupid in the middle of a foreclosure crisis – where not paying your mortgage on time means you lose your home. The Clinton campaign needs to hire an intern whose job title should be, Official Dot Connector. Way too many unnecessary loose ends in that campaign.

  • It matters to me on several levels.

    It shows that the campaign is financially hard-pressed. All that money that she raised in February and her campaign still can’t pay the bills?! On a practical level, she should bow out.

    It also shows that she and her flunkies are poor fiscal managers. I want this running my federal government?

    Her campaign hired an office cleaner? Poor strategic use of campaign resources! That responsibility should have been delegated to staff and volunteers.

    And last but not least, this is a replay of the stiffed-waitress incident in Iowa (hope I got the state correct). She and her campaign are really out of touch with the realities of day-to-day Americans. Or else they knowingly do these offensive things because they think they are entitled to do them. After all, Ohio’s votes don’t matter any more because the primary’s over.

    Suggestion to Forty Two. You’re an event production company. Stage some events! In Ohio, call for a re-do of the primary so that you’ll matter and they’ll pay their bills. And stage an event or two in Pennsylvania, invite all vendors (you can probably arrange for wide participation using internet hookups or other means) who have been stiffed by the Clinton campaign, and let the Pennsylvania Clinton voters know that they support a deadbeat. (And don’t settle for less than your unpaid bills PLUS expenses incurred for these additional events!)

    Hillary would have us believe she is the inevitable nominee and President-elect and that she is the establishment (the only-I-have-experience argument). This is how the establishment is going to treat middle-class and working-class America? No thanks!

  • I don’t think the story will matter much to voters, and certainly John McCain overcame his funding problems against a much better financed rival.

    But Hillary isn’t going to win the pledged delegates anymore. She has to convince supers that she’s obviously the better general election candidate and it doesn’t help her case if she’s just keeping afloat financially.

    The Democratic nominee is going to go up against the quarter-billion dollar Freedom’s Watch attack machine. That nominee is going to have to compete on those terms.

  • It matters because if you’re going to parade around the country talking about how you’re always thinking about us little people, the least you can do is not step all over us. (not me, personally, of course)

    If this gets continued play on the MSM, how many blue-collar people aren’t going to get a little bit pissed off? “Oh sure, [swig beer] I have to pay my cable bill every month or they turn it off, but she doesn’t have to pay…how much does she have, $50M?”

    But i agree, it’s not fair. She never planned on it going this long, it wasn’t supposed to happen this way. I just don’t understand how the American people could do this to her after all those years of thinking about us all the time. And after dodging sniper fire and single-handedly slaying the great VRWC beast for us…i feel like an ungrateful lout.

  • Here’s the nutshell: HRC has $8.7M in outstanding bills and the $5M loan she made to her campaign (with interest) that have not been paid.

    The New York senator’s presidential campaign ended February with $33 million in the bank, according to a report filed last week with the Federal Election Commission, but only $11 million of that can be spent on her battle with Obama.

    If she had paid off the $8.7 million in unpaid bills she reported as debt and had not loaned her campaign $5 million, she would have been nearly $3 million in the red at the end of February. Politico

    Were she to pay off all her debts, she’d have no money at all. Her campaign is still troubled by the shortage of money that has existed since SuperTuesday, which she expected to win. Her deep-pockets donors are maxed out, and yes, whatever her “realism”, she hasn’t been very realistic so far. She may actually be campaigning on a shoestring but putting on a happy face.

    Looks to me like the woman is dead-broke.

  • what ?? richard mellon sciafe won’t pay those bill for hill .. ?? looks like after al lthe hell he caused them in the past it’d be a very small-cheange gesture of amends ..

  • what ?? richard mellon sciafe won’t pay those bill for hill .. ?? looks like after all the hell he caused them in the past it’d be a very small-change gesture of amends ..

  • You can be absolutely sure that small businesses all over Pennsylvania and Indiana are asking for cashiers’ checks. — Bruce Wilder, @4

    Right. And so what happens if her campaign *cannot* deliver cash on the barrelhead for every scheduled event? Does the event still happen or is it canceled? And, if it’s canceled, how is she to make her pitch to those people who intended to attend?

    And not only that, but she’s losing a few seconds of (free) local TV coverage of her intermingling with her enthusiastic supporters at such events. On top of which, some TV coverage might even focus on the *reasons* the event was canceled. Small-time donors aren’t going to like that at all. NYTimes had a story recently, about Clinton grass-root fundraising. Among people featured was a middle-aged lady who skips her lunch, so as to be able to send Clinton a few bucks every now nd then. Is she going to be happy with how her sacrifice is being managed?

    So yes, if the story hits the Main Street (via MSM) and the implications start sinking in, it *will* make a difference to the voters in those yet-to-be-contested primaries…

  • 36. toowearyforoutrage said: No comment from Mary, Greg, or any other apologists?
    Are they on strike, gone, or at a loss for words?

    I have noticed in the past that they tend to skip the stories that are hardest to defend. This is obviously a doozy, I doubt they will ever even acknowledge that the campaign debts happen. That seems to be the Clinton campaign strategy too, I noticed a spokesman on MSNBC outright lying and saying that they pay all their debts on time despite substantial evidence to the contrary.

  • I have noticed in the past that they tend to skip the stories that are hardest to defend. -Shalimar

    Given the topic at hand, maybe they just didn’t get their paychecks?

  • i’m still trying to decide, though, whether stories like this have an impact or not.

    it’s hard to imagine a credible number of voters seriously arguing, ‘i was going to vote for clinton, but then i heard she got behind in paying her bills, so i’m switching my support.’”

    i think it makes a big difference

    i’m w/slappy magoo on this one, in part because i love the screen name “slappy magoo,” but mainly because clinton’s actions entirely undercut her words. especially w/the health insurance premiums, but not to be dismissed is her disdain of paying small businesses what she owes them.

    if obama’s campaign were as under-handed as hers, they would take this news and run with it.

  • Let’s see. If she can’t manage a campaign how will she handle a national economy?

  • Billary courts the “little people” while she stiffs ’em. I think it does matter as it represents both a lack of judgment and mgt. skills. If they’d spent less at the Las Vegas Four Seasons and Bellagio, they may have been able to pay these small vendors. I see that despite interviews with the people they’ve been stiffing, the campaign claims that they pay their bills on time. Right…and Billary ducked sniper fire in Bosnia, personally gave us SCHIP, brokered the Irish peace accords, and opposed NAFTA since 1992. More BS.

  • Stiffing small creditors is a vary disturbing matter. I run a small business and our livelyhood depends on honest, timely payments on our receivables. Those who think they do not have to comply with core business ethics have no concern with the plight of hard working business entities. Lenders will not give us a break and we are to give the Clinton’s mismanaged, under financed the opportunity to take food off of uour tables. Shame on you Hillary, Shame on you!

  • I am one of the small vendors in Wyoming who the Clinton campaign stiffed for event production. Bill Clinton was stumping for Hillary before the Wyoming caucuses, and in one and one-half days, my company and the community college I also work at scraped up all the things the Clinton advance man wanted. The event was very successful-we filled the gym (like they wanted). I faxed my bill to the Clinton campaign office as instructed, then again in 10 days, then a nasty fax in another 10 days, and have never even received a reply. We are currently investigating if the Clinton campaign stiffed all the venue suppliers in Wyoming that week. As the TV ad says, “It’s my money, and I want it now!”

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