CNN goes where even the RNC will not

As a rule, the little “quick vote” features on major news outlets’ websites are easy to ignore. After all, the “polls” — I use the word loosely — are intended to be just for fun. The results are unscientific, the methodology doesn’t include a random sample, and the whole thing is generally just a way for news sites to let readers feel like the page is “interactive” or something.

But once in a while, these silly online reader “polls” matter, if only to highlight the flaws of modern journalism. Ben Smith noted this question at CNN.com yesterday:

“Does Barack Obama show the proper patriotism for someone who wants to be president of the United States?”

As Ben noted, accurately, “I’ve got to say, I’ve never seen a reader poll like this on a mainstream media website (or, to be honest, a right-wing blog).”

Nor have I, though if I were to guess, I’d have assumed Fox News would push the smear along before CNN would. Indeed, whether CNN realizes it or not, by even asking the question this way, it is fueling a right-wing smear by suggesting that Obama may not, in fact, be patriotic enough. Generally, Hillary Clinton, John McCain, and the Republican National Committee — Obama’s three biggest critics right now — wouldn’t be so bold as to ask a question like this, and yet, there it was, on the home page of a network that bills itself as the most credible and professional of cable news outlets.

Put it this way: CNN, by running this reader poll, is itself questioning Obama’s patriotism for no reason. That’s not journalism; that’s ridiculous.

Josh Marshall added:

I guess we shouldn’t be surprised…. That’s how it works. Starts at right-swing smear sites and hoax emails. Then the AP’s Nedra Pickler, who specializes in scooping up this slop and laundering it into the mainstream press, writes it up for the AP that runs across the country. And then picks it up and makes it a regular part of the campaign conversation.

I doubt some top exec at CNN came up with this or any name anchor. It’s some producer in the bowels of the operation. But it amounts to the same thing because it’s part of the culture and there’s no accountability.

Get ready for more.

It’s not complicated. On the one hand, we have a leading Republican candidate who voted against Habeas Corpus and flip-flopped on U.S. torture policy. On the other, we have a candidate who doesn’t wear a flag lapel pin. Which of these, do you suppose, deserve to have their patriotism questioned on CNN.com?

By definition, according to Beltway CW, the Democrats must have their patriotism questioned. Republicans, never.

As atrios would say, another simple answer to a simple question.

  • I guess this is the kind of stuff that makes Cindy McCain so proud of America, but it’s the kind of stuff that makes me puke.

  • CNN.com gave up on credibility and professionalism a long time ago. The site reads more like a muckraking tabloid than a serious journalistic source even on the best of days. This is hardly surprising.

  • I’m waiting patiently for the “As a result of years of torture, Is John McCain too mentally unstable to be President?” question…

    Of course, I wouldn’t condone such a question, but that’s about the level of CNN here.

  • I used to watch CNN reguarly as a news junkie. I gave up two years ago.

    I don’t miss them.

    I do hope people are plastering them with emails.

  • I sent cnn.com an email about their political, innuendo laden poll.

    Some people define patriotism as symbolism …which is what nations use when they want to go to war, because symbolism uses the emotion of pride and suspends critical thinking.

    That is of course why symbolism is dangerous to freedom and democracy.

    Sinclair Lewis said:
    “When facism comes to America it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross.”

    Todays facism in America is corporatism. The backers & cronies of corporatism have been using religion and symbolism to destroy critical thinking all in the name of the “Profit”. How patriotic is that?

  • In the worldview of Republicans, wearing a flag pin in your lapel makes you a patriot. It makes you a patriot even if you ducked out of military service and are selling out your country every day to corporate interests. Isn’t that cool? Now we can all be patriots without any effort or sacrifice at all, and make money in the process!

    I get really tired of people questioning the patriotism of anyone who doesn’t bow down and worship the Holy Flag. It’s damned easy to be a superficial patriot. Flag-wearing politicians and chickenhawk media windbags are excellent examples . But it’s damned hard to be a real patriot. It requires sacrifice, which is something that Bush and Company will never understand. How much sacrifice have most of us even been asked to make for Bush’s stupid war in Iraq? None! Not even to help pay for it!

    Samuel Johnson said “Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel.” Ambrose Bierce added “I beg to submit that it is the first.”

    People who wear their “patriotism” or their religiosity on their lapels for all to see aren’t to be trusted. They are scoundrels, just like Dr. Johnson said. I’ll take Obama’s patriotism any day over the “patriotism” of Bush, Cheney, Hannity, Limbaugh and the other chickenhawks.

  • “Put it this way: CNN, by running this reader poll, is itself questioning Obama’s patriotism for no reason. That’s not journalism; that’s ridiculous.”

    Beyond Mrs.Obama’s remarks and Barak’s follow-ups, perhaps this video helped spark the question: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hU9iCANi02o

    As James Dillon mentioned, the polling questions on CNN.com are typically tabloid like and the results out of whack with reality.

  • Does CNN’s Board of Directors show the proper disdain of child pornography and goat bothering that makes them fit to run a broadcasting organization?

    It would be irresponsible not to spectulate.

  • I’m actually glad Obama isn’t an overly zealous nationalist.

    “The gospel of the monarchical patriotism is: ‘The King can do no wrong.’ We have adopted it with all its servility, with an unimportant change in the wording: ‘Our country, right or wrong!’ We have thrown away the most valuable asset we had — the individual’s right to oppose both flag and country when he believed them to be in the wrong. We have thrown it away; and with it, all that was really respectable about that grotesque and laughable word, Patriotism.”

    – Mark Twain

    He shows the proper lack of monarchical patriotism in my book.

  • Josh Marshall “I doubt some top exec at CNN came up with this or any name anchor.”

    I’ll take up that bet.

  • No, wait. The greatest journalistic atrocity this week has been the NYT’s reporting that two McCain aides independently corroborated they admonished the Senator for his cozy relationship with a lobbyist because people might infer that McCain had a relationship with a lobbyist, especially after he agreed the ralationship was “inappropriate”. Did anyone read any of this in an e-mail forwarded to them from their relatives? I think not. That’s irresponsible.

    AP’s Pickler and CNN had documentary evidence.

  • So what’s McCain doing now? Is he still in his bubble? The Republican candidate for President has a major scandal out and everyone is talking about everything except him. Pretty good work by the rightwing/MSM divert everyone’s attention machine.

  • CNN is swallowing its own propaganda. Its journalistic impostors probably do believe that their network is “the most respected name” in TV news and that it has “the best political team” of reporters as well. Neither assertion contains even a particle of truth.

  • It’s not complicated. On the one hand, we have a leading Republican candidate who voted against Habeas Corpus and flip-flopped on U.S. torture policy. On the other, we have a candidate who doesn’t wear a flag lapel pin. Which of these, do you suppose, deserve to have their patriotism questioned on CNN.com?

    Hmm, you were doing OK until the train wreck in the conclusion.

    Is it your point that the left really ought to be questioning McCain’s patriotism because they disagree with him on some policy questions? Does that seriously strike you as a potentially fruitful line of attack?

    Or does the “on CNN” caveat mean that CNN ought to focus on its real mission of bashing righties?

    Dare we suggest choice “c”, not currently on offer – neither McCain nor Obama deserve to have their patriotism questioned, on CNN or elsewhere? Just asking.

  • Dare we suggest choice “c”, not currently on offer – neither McCain nor Obama deserve to have their patriotism questioned, on CNN or elsewhere? Just asking. -Tom Maguire

    To answer your questions,no. McCain has a history of voting against the Constitution and recent history or supporting torture (despite his personal experience), which is wholly un-American.

    The other doesn’t want to wear a flag pin.

    Every American should be questioning the patriotism of the elected members of the Republican party who have shown over the last 20 years that the Constitution is nothing more than a doormat they choose to wipe their feet on.

  • If CNN was a country, they’d have to call it ‘Glennbeckistan’ because that’s where they’ve been heading since they hired that particular moron. How he keeps his job is completely beyond me unless somebody really *likes* that kind of slop, and this kind of poll goes right along with that mindset.

  • So what’s McCain doing now? -Dale

    Ooo…ooo…pick me!

    Is it “A young and pretty corporate whore lobbyist?”

  • CNN = Corporate Noisome Noise.

    After suffering under eight years of Bush fascism, the people are hoping to get rid of the corporatist greed form of government. We will be waving “the magic” voting “wand” and first make the shrill corporate Hillary disappear from the Democratic lists and then make the corrupt John McSame disappear in the November General Election. Nader Part III is now just a wart on the knee of a flea: every four years he shrinks in size and importance.

  • Or does the “on CNN” caveat mean that CNN ought to focus on its real mission of bashing righties?

    Of course.

    The liberal media should focus on smearing that flaming conservative Barack Obama about his lack of patriotism, secret Muslim roots and the fact that he hates America.

    Dare we suggest choice “c”, not currently on offer – neither McCain nor Obama deserve to have their patriotism questioned, on CNN or elsewhere?

    Absolutely.

    Questioning their patriotism is a cheap line of attack, especially when we can focus on McCain’s legislative record and penchant for political opportunism.

  • As Ben noted, accurately, “I’ve got to say, I’ve never seen a reader poll like this on a mainstream media website (or, to be honest, a right-wing blog).”

    Yes, this is disgusting, but it’s also standard operating procedure, or at least it used to be. I recall that a couple of years ago Atrios used to post CNN and MSNBC poll questions that were this bad every couple of days, or so it seemed.

  • And if Ben hasn’t seen a poll like that on a right-wing site, he doesn’t go to Free Republic that often. Scroll down through the list to some of the ones from a while back, e.g.,

    Let’s just say that Hillary (or someone equally as vile) gets the Democrat nomination and a pro-life, anti-gay marriage, pro-gun, pro-defense, pro-borders, pro-small government, pro-low taxes, peace through superior firepower patriot gets the Republican nod. Who would you vote for in the general?

  • The righties must think they’re on to something. Not wearing a flag pin, Michelle Obama’s misconstrued remarks all equal a weakness in the Obama campaign on the subject of patriotism.

    The surest way to kill patriotism in this country is to rot it out from the inside by wedging Americans apart from each other with stupid divisive issue like whether someone wears a flag pin or not. The push poll by CNN trying to advance this notion of Obama being unpatriotic is just another manifestation of this disease.

  • Kudos to the commenters. In the face of this loathsome, contemptible ‘poll’, which certainly has to enrage, you have shown restraint. Perhaps, CNNs ultimate objective was to generate an intemperate, vulgar responses that would reflect badly on the candidate and his supporters and perpetuate the implied slander. On the other hand, if there is not an outcry, is the question legitimized? When the media is biased, the court of public opinion has a crooked judge.

  • There was a country once, that required party members to wear flag pins and other trinkets, to publicly display your patriotism.

    It was the USSR.

    What have we become?

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