Competition for oddest comment at ‘Blog for Life’

The Family Research Council, a religious right powerhouse spun off from Dobson’s Focus on the Family, hosted a “Blog for Life” event yesterday on the national Mall, marking the 34th anniversary of Roe v. Wade. There were plenty of odd moments, including a speaker who displayed an article titled “Abortionist Accused of Eating Fetuses.” Another participant distributed cards saying “Birth Control Is Harmful.”

But if we just stick to the Republican presidential candidates who were on hand for the event, it’s a tough call which of the two offered the more breathtaking comment. Candidate #1: Sen. Sam Brownback (R-Kan.).

Brownback … was in his element. He announced his introduction of the “Unborn Pain Awareness Act” and vowed to protect all “children of a living God.” Asking why disabled Americans are protected but not fetuses with abnormalities, he demanded: “What’s the difference — location?” For emphasis, he introduced a 4-year-old girl with Down syndrome. He urged the listeners to speak to abortion-rights supporters with “truth encased in love.”

“Roe v. Wade is going to be overturned,” he told the cheering crowd. Brownback predicted that would happen “a few years from now,” and abortion will be illegal unless a mother’s life is at risk, he said.

[George] Isajiw of the Catholic Medical Association rose to argue that even an exception to protect a mother’s life is unnecessary. “That’s a good point,” Brownback responded. “Well said.”

It’s a “good point” to deny an exception for pregnant women who would likely die during delivery? That’s Brownback’s position on the issue?

Next up is Candidate #2: Rep. Duncan Hunter (R-Calif.)

Appearing at yesterday’s rally, Rep. Duncan Hunter (R-CA) delivered a speech declaring that judicial nominees should be given a ‘sonogram test’ before being confirmed. “If we have a judicial applicant…who can look at a sonogram of an unborn child and not see the value of human life,” then “he will not receive a judicial appointment,” Hunter announced. “I tell you what you he will receive, he will get an appointment with an optometrist so he can get a pair of eye glasses.”

For all the talk about the perils of litmus tests, Hunter said every federal judicial nominee — Supreme Court on down — should apparently face a “sonogram test” as a precursor to a nomination. That ought to go over well in a country that a) has a pro-choice majority; and b) likes to at least strive for an impartial, objective judiciary.

I’m trying to decide which of the two was more offensive. On the one hand, Brownback suggested women whose lives are in danger still shouldn’t be able to get an abortion, but he applauded someone else making the comment; he didn’t say it on his own. On the other hand, Hunter seriously argued that we should judge judicial nominees based on how they view a sonogram.

Let’s open the floor — which of these two were more over the top?

Brownback’s was more over-the-top IMHO because he was serious. Duncan Hunter does not seriously intend to give judges a sonogram test…that’s just rhetorical masturbation. Brownback, however, would likely ban all abortions, even where a woman’s life was at risk, if he could.

  • In a sense Duncan Hunter is worse. Brownback is from Kansas, but Hunter is from California where a helluva lot of people know better.

  • Of course these are the same kind of people that could afford to send family members overseas for an abortion. Banning abortion does not prevent abortion. It just makes it that much harder to get for the poor. It’s all part and parcel of the republicans ongoing class warfare.

  • Perfect! I am glad to see the Mr. Brownback has announced his intention to run for POTUS. This is exactly the reason that his venture will fail. If this is his religion, then there is little hope.

  • Brownback, hand’s down. I agree with Nobody.. wait that’s sounds a little like something gwb would say. Hold on. I’ll be right back. I’m going to wash my mouth out with soap.

    OK, there. I’m back. And I would posit that all these fine folks everywhere who would ban all abortions or who believe that all abortions should be banned, should be forced to be on an adoption list.

  • Granted, Hunter is a total ass for preaching to the chior about using a power that only the Senate holds. It’s almost hilarious to see someone say “I will do this!” when he knows full well that he hasn’t the Constitutional authority to do it.

    But my hat is off to the complete, fatwa-like insanity of Brownback. “It’s wrong to take one life—but it’s okay to take two?” If I shoot a pregnant woman because her drug habit is a threat to her unborn child, and her fetus also dies, I am labelled a double murderer. But Brownback cannot see that, in withholding the right to terminate a life-threatening pregnancy, his actions may well condemn the mother to death—and likewise, the child. Does this not also make Brownback a “double murderer?” And is not that crime multiplied by the number of times his Sharia-esque charade of justice is handed down from on high?

    For Brownback, I will shed no tear when the day comes that he is found limp, broken, and lifeless in a dark alleyway….

  • Brownback wins:

    For emphasis, he introduced a 4-year-old girl with Down syndrome.

    Once you start whoring the children, disabled children at that, you are beyond redemption.

    In addition, most disabled people don’t like being equated with a fetus. I suspect Brownback wouldn’t like it either but perhaps we should give it a try. First we’ll need a big plastic filled with water. That can be the uterus. Then we’ll need to stick a hose into his navel for the umbilical cord…

  • As someone who is currently sitting two blocks away from the state full of people who elected this buffoon, it’s gotta be Brownback. Why? Well …

    1.) He honestly believes that a group of cells is more important than an actual, living, breathing person.

    b.) He believes that women should have no control over their own bodies — only a group of primarily rich white men should.

    iii.) He would make this country a theocracy if given the chance.

    I state those things because I’ve had to hear this guy speak on more than one occasion. And, to be honest, I hope he gets the GOP nomination because it would ensure a Democratic victory in ’08.

    He honestly, truly, without a doubt is certifiably nucking futs.

  • “What’s the difference — location?”

    Yup. Mainly. Who says Brownback doesn’t get it??

  • I suspect Brownback wouldn’t like it either but perhaps we should give it a try. First we’ll need a big plastic filled with water. That can be the uterus. Then we’ll need to stick a hose into his navel for the umbilical cord…

    Pepsi >>>>> Monitor

  • We all know that ideologue George W. Bush is out of touch on many subjects—and he will list those subjects tonight in his SOTU speech. But, when McCain is out of sync with American people on Iraq and the with Santorum wing of the Republican party still active, how can’t the majority of American conclude that the whole party is clueless. Are we witnessing some sort of Republican “death spiral”?

  • I gotta go with Brownback for the naked double axel. Anyone can change their mind and be labeled a flip flopper. Many politicians will alter their views depending on who they’re addressing. But Brownback gets the gold. He changed his position without ever leaving the microphone. He tried to dress his position as moderate. But as soon as he heard from an extremist, he lost control and reverted to his true opinion. It’s got to be a land speed record for flip flops. Somebody call Guinness.

  • The weekend’s Washington Post-ABC News poll found Brownback’s support at 1 percent among Republican primary voters, while Hunter merited an asterisk; with the poll’s five-percentage-point margin of error, support for both men could be, theoretically, less than zero.

    Funny how little support you get when you tell people that you’d rather cause mothers to die than allow abortions of severely deformed fetuses.

  • Let’s be hopin’ that the Dems have bookmarked that remark by Mr. Brownback. Since he is at least as viable as Romney or Giuliani for the GOP nomination, we need to start stockpiling the ammo. What a monster that man is. I can’t believe that God would want to spend 5 minutes with him, much less eternity.

  • Who appointed Brownback, Hunter, et al. to speak for this constituency-in-name-only? Since when is a fetus capable of demanding representation?

    I’d give the nod to Brownback. Trotting out a sick child has lowered my estimation of this creep which I didn’t think was possible.

    Here’s his bumper sticker:

    Death To Mothers With Pre-Natal Complications! Vote Brownback!

  • Brownback, because he’s a theocratic nutjob.

    Hunter’s merely posturing. Not to say he’s not crazy, but he’s not going anywhere. Brownback, though… Brownback has friends and an agenda and he should be beaten as soundly and soon as possible in the campaign season so that he and his theocratic nutjob friends don’t get too close to power.

  • Actually, it is a good sign that these people continue to push their religious agenda concerning human sexuality and reproduction. The “Birth Control is Harmful” argument keeps popping up as do other positions that hark back to “kinder and simpler” times. These people feel that they are so morally pure and righteous that they will probably continue the schism now affecting the Repug Party.
    If nothing else their shrill moralizing will most likely continue to alienate the public. Doesn’t that, in a way, parallel the behavior of people during Prohibition? Publically, they were against it, privately they drank. Publically people are against abortion, privately they have a very different opinion.

  • Brownback gets the gold. He changed his position without ever leaving the microphone. He tried to dress his position as moderate.

    Not even. To anyone versed in jurisprudence and the law, Brownback is flaming nutjob radical. Our 1000 year old jurisprudence and legal tradition has always treated “personhood” as occurring at birth – not before. To pretend that the only difference between a 4 year-old person and an in utero fetus is “location”, Brownback has to distort and misrepresent a fundamental part of our law. There is nothing in the least moderate about anything that Brownback or his position.

  • #19 I agree he’s a nutjob of the highest order. He was trying to dress his position as moderate, by exempting situations involving the safety of the mother. When confronted with an even louder nutjob, Brownback quickly abandoned his soft sell, and joined the choir extreme.

  • Honestly…why is everyone picking on Brownback. While he is, admittedly, a crackpot, goof, a constipated half-wit and a man with all of subtlety and grace of meth whore with a coin slot… you have to admire his complete inability to grasp even the most basic sense of our country’s mood. Here is a Repub candidacy that can do nothing but wonders for the Dems…this guy scares the crap out of moderate Republicans (or, as we call them in Kansas, “Former Democrats”)…the more this guy talks, the more rational the Dems appear…send your money NOW…let’s work to get this guy nominated….even Kerry could …well, now I’ve gone too far….

  • I am pro-choice because it’s the pro-choice movement that has advocated for policies which actually decrease the need for abortion, and which make it easier for women to have children: comprehensive sexual health education, affordable and accessible contraception (including emergency contraception), pre-natal and well-baby care, social support for pregnant women and women with children, affordable child care, fair pay for working women, supporting pregnant girls, and gender equality. Comparatively, the “pro-life” movement* has no interest in actually lowering the abortion rate; their ultimate goal is sexual control of women, evidenced by their opposition to contraception and their belief that there is only one singular way to live: abstain from sex until heterosexual marriage, and then have as many children as God gives you. (from HOTLINE)
    A real message for these biggots.

  • Hands down it goes to Duncan “we serve 4 -star meals at Gitmo” Hunter…

    When you have a sonogram, an optometrist and eye glasses all involved in the debate about abortion, you know you have hit WINGNUTTIA….

  • … and a man with all of subtlety and grace of meth whore with a coin slot …

    Wow … that’s some impressive imagery. And, oddly enough, reminds me of this girl I knew in college. But I digress … (although, I would note that in Kansas, moderate Dems are “former Republicans”).

    I agree that we should encourage Brownback to get the GOP nod. Once a wider audience gets a glimpse of his lunacy, the far-right may get even less support than it does now.

  • Don’t foget that Browncrack is the wanker who held up a judicial nomination because the judge (a Bush nominee) had attended the commitment ceremony of a childhood friend. He sniffed around for something “improper” about her attending the ceremony and when that failed he wanted to “compromise” by having the judge promise to recuse herself from any case involving gays or lesbians. She said no and he finally backed down, but I think the election results had something to do with that.

    NB: Under Brownie’s logic, judges who had friends who were not exactly like the judge (gender, race, religion, etc, etc) would have to recuse themselves from cases involving people who were at all like the friend.

    Yeah, I hope he gets the GOP nod too. But he’ll probably see a picture of Mary Cheney & Heather Poe holding their baby and explode well before that.

  • #14 Racerx: “…with the poll’s five-percentage-point margin of error, support for both men could be, theoretically, less than zero.”

    Where did that come from? It had better be a joke, since that’s plainly not how statistics works.

  • I’d call it a draw and make them both liable for all the expenses of every child born in America for the next eighteen years.

  • I’m really hoping Brownback gets the GOP nomination. He’s so extreme, Dems wouldn’t even have to campaign against him! He Would go down in history as a right wing George McGovern

  • A comment from my wife earlier would make the perfect Brownback bumper sticker:

    BROWNBACK. AMERICA’S FAVORITE MOTHER-FRAGGER.

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