‘Compromise’ reached on surveillance powers, retroactive immunity gets green light

We knew this “compromise” was in the works, but it doesn’t make today’s announcement any less disappointing.

After more than a year of partisan acrimony over government surveillance powers, Democratic and Republican leaders have agreed to a bipartisan deal that would be the most sweeping rewrite of spy powers in three decades. The House is likely to vote on the measure Friday, House aides said. […]

The new agreement broadens the authority to spy on people in the U.S. and provides conditional legal immunity to companies that helped the government eavesdrop after the 2001 terrorist attacks, according to congressional aides in both parties.

The deal, if adopted, would bring the spy activities of a controversial National Security Agency surveillance program permanently under the law. That would allow the government, in certain circumstances, to eavesdrop on U.S. citizens without a specific warrant. It would also expand government spy powers to monitor communications between the U.S. and overseas to collect intelligence on topics beyond terrorism.

The agreement would also pave the way for companies such as AT&T Inc. and Verizon Communications Inc. to shed the nearly 40 lawsuits they face for allegedly participating in a prior version of the NSA program, which have cast a shadow over their reputation on Wall Street and Main Street. To win immunity, they would have to pass review from a U.S. District Court.

The “review” doesn’t amount to much of a check. As mcjoan explained, “The federal district court would not be deciding on the legality of the program, they would be limited to determining if the White House showed the telcos a piece of paper saying that the warrantless program was legal enough — which we already know. They’re going to try to justify it with that ‘substantial evidence’ business, as if defining that piece of paper as ‘substantial’ somehow makes the fact that they are directing the court to make its decision, regardless of the law, not a travesty.”

This doesn’t sound like much of a “compromise” — the White House and the telecommunications companies are getting effectively everything they wanted.

Indeed, Glenn Greenwald reviewed the language in the bill and concluded, “[A]ll the Attorney General has to do is recite those magic words — the President requested this eavesdropping and did it in order to save us from the Terrorists — and the minute he utters those words, the courts are required to dismiss the lawsuits against the telecoms, no matter how illegal their behavior was.”

Shaping the law this way is madness. Proponents are characterizing this as establishing some kind of condition for retroactive immunity — the telecoms aren’t off the hook, the argument goes, because the White House would still need to show that Bush & Co. initiated the illegal surveillance. But given that the White House and the telecoms already have endorsed this “compromise,” it’s pretty safe to assume they know this is a threshold they can meet. If they didn’t have the piece of paper to show to a judge, they wouldn’t have endorsed the deal.

Laura Rozen added: “Doesn’t that actually endorse and extend to private actors the Nixonian view that if the president says it’s legal, it’s legal, regardless of what the law says and the Constitution says? Wouldn’t that set an awful precedent that an administration could get private actors to do whatever they wanted including breaking the law?”

Why, yes. Yes, it would.

The Electronic Frontier Foundation, which is helping represent plaintiffs challenging the telecommunications companies’ role in the warrantless-search program, has the right message:

“Whatever gloss might be put on it, the so-called ‘compromise’ on immunity is anything but: the current proposal is the exact same blanket immunity that the Senate passed in February and that the House rejected in March, only with a few new bells and whistles so that political spinsters can claim that it actually provides meaningful court review,” said EFF Senior Staff Attorney Kevin Bankston. “We call on all members of Congress to reject this sham compromise and maintain the rule of law, rather than deprive the millions of ordinary Americans whose privacy rights were violated of their day in court.”

Kent Brockman: “I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, democracy kleptocracy just doesn’t work”

  • Congressman Steny Whore and Senator Jay Rockinhishead need to get The Boot. Reid says he won’t do anything to push people to vote for this, so hopefully it can still be defeated.

  • All we need to do to oppose this is stress to the republicans that they are empowering future democratic presidents to wiretap their phones. Believe you me the moment a democrat becomes president, the republicans will be rushing to reverse these laws.

  • The other greek word that comes to mind is: kakistocracy: Government by the least qualified or most unprincipled citizens. That the Democrats are really behind this makes it all the more nauseating…truly nauseating. I give up.

  • So Obama, were you too busy trying to win Alaska to get involved with this travesty which the last I looked was part of your job? Dems are like Republicans more interested in politics than governance. the blue dogs need to be put to sleep. Hoyer too.

  • i ain’t a concern troll, but i seriously think voting republican may be necessary if Obama does not step up on this. this can and should be stopped. there is no excuse. at least with republicans in power, the whole county will eventually collapse from too much fantasy accounting, warmongering and special interest legislating, and we can start over. the vastly more competent, but equally vastly more craven and cowardly democrats can maintain the country well enough to keep doing this crap indefinitely.

  • Chris Dodd once promised to filibuster or do anything else he could to stop retroactive immunity. If he has forty allies, it can still be stopped.

  • If this sham becomes law, I will be hard-pressed to pull the lever for another Democrat in my lifetime, including Mr. Obama. Steny, you’re the Majority Leader (for now), you don’t even need to bring this to the floor! Disgusting. Third party FTW!

  • Okie, 40 allies is the problem. Currently there are not 40 spines in the Senate.

  • 8. nerpzilla said: i ain’t a concern troll, but i seriously think voting republican may be necessary if Obama does not step up on this.

    Uh, Republicans are the ones pushing this travesty of justice. Obama opposes it but won’t kill it for some reason. I’m pissed at Obama over this too, he needs to kill telecom immunity before I will believe Bush crooks are really going to be punished under his administration, but voting for the actual crooks instead of Obama out of spite over this is just stupid.

  • nerpzilla said:
    i ain’t a concern troll, but i seriously think voting republican may be necessar

    The Republicans are worse and having Republicans in the majority for all those years didn’t teach the Democrats anything anyway.

  • Steny Hoyer
    1705 Longworth House Office Building
    Washington, D.C. 20515
    Phone – (202) 225-4131

  • It’s a bit like offering a plea bargain to Kalid Sheik Mohammed. We’ll give you a light sentence immunity in exchange for some testimony proof that you were acting under order from Bin Laden, whom we then plan to seek and destroy leave alone.

  • Disgusting. And yet again Ron Paul sticks up for the American people instead of corporations. Too bad we didn’t have more like him on both sides of the aisle 🙁

  • Democrats hve sold Americans out again. I wonder how much the earmarks for agreement to the lobbyist will amount to. Steney Hoyer and Pelosi should be impeached for nor protecting Americans rights but for protecting their own bank accounts. This law is dispicable and should have been left alone. Disgusting. Iit only adds to the lobbyists do rule. and the Democrats claim to be turning the page on…..;

  • CALL OBAMA NOW:

    From Glenn Greenwald:

    Obama needs pressure, criticism, checks, and real scrutiny just like anyone else in power in order to keep him accountable, responsive, and faithful to the principles he claims are the ones driving him.

    Pressure of that sort should include demanding that he take meaningful action against this Draconian and lawlessness-enabling bill. This is, after all, a bill which his own party is seeking to pass and justifying their behavior, in part, by claiming that they’re doing it to protect Obama politically from being attacked as Weak on Terrorism. If this bill passes and Obama does nothing to stop it, he’ll bear significant responsibility for its enactment. Here’s his campaign’s phone number: (866) 675-2008 [Dial 6, then 0, on the menu]. I’ll post other contact information as people leave it in comments.

    http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2008/06/19/obama/index.html

  • but seriously, why reward the dems for not using the power they have? will they really be any better than the republicans, if, right now, they have absolutely nothing to lose from stopping this, and they won’t. maybe voting repub is a bad idea, but staying home is looking better. if Obama doesn’t do something, he should change his slogan from “change you can believe in” to “the more things change, the more they stay the same.” i can’t think of a word strong enough to express my outrage on this. people who were going to vote for mccain instead of obama because clinton lost, when clinton and obama had nearly identical policies were ridiculous. but now to vote for democrats who are going to approve republican policy – what’s the point?

  • “We knew this “compromise” was in the words, but it doesn’t make today’s announcement any less disappointing.”

    Poor choice of words… The appropriate word is DISGUSTING!

    Are Pelosi & Reid leading the dumbocrats as ‘surrender monkeys’ or as ‘co-conspirators in the drive to destroy the Constitution’?

    How many times have the so-called leaders of the dipshitocrats been willing participants in rewriting laws to make illegalities by the Bush Criminal Enterprise retroactively ‘legal’???

    There are one hell of a lot of dimocrats that need to join rethugs in being retired from office.

  • I am so tired of democratic politicians. Where’s the leadership? How can they let this happen? Can this be reversed with a true Democratic majority? Is that the plan? That’s not a good plan. Standing up for our rights is a better plan. Standing up for the constitution is a better plan.

    Reid needs to lead, if he truly is against telecom immunity. Anything less is a vote for the bill. Plain and simple.

    Is there a Democratic leader in Congress who is capable of giving opposition to this false compromise a voice? Is there someone who is intelligent and persuasive and understands constitutional law who might be able to point out the obvious flaws? Someone who is a strong speaker capable of motivation and creating a sense of urgency? Hmmmm. That would be someone I’d like to vote for.

  • What about the Fourth Amendment?\

    The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

    To paraphrase Walter Sobchak: Are we the only ones around here who give a shit about the rules?!

  • Same old Dem temerity. Instead of standing on principle, they cave under the fear that they’ll be called weak on terror. They could really benefit from watching Obama’s talk this morning where he called out the GOPpers on their bogus national security credentials. Yeah, I blame Bush and Cheney as the driving forces, but the Democrats in the Congress have taken on their share of complicity in this crime.

  • also contact the DSCC. they’ve been begging me for money – what’s the point of a filabuster proof senate when they’ll let the minority pass this junk?

    Contact Us

    Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee
    Phone (202) 224-2447
    Fax (202) 969-0354

  • This is disgusting.

    I think any Democrat that stepped up and filibustered this law would move him or herself a long way toward being VP, if they wanted the honor. Or surely Barack could win a lot of hearts and minds by filibustering this and giving the nation a lesson in the Constitution in the process. Principled conservatives should hate this as much or more than regular democrats, as it is highly intrusive government and attacks principles of freedom that they supposedly hold dearest. The only people who get anything out of telecom immunity are people financially dependent on the telecom companies, Bushites, Bush apologists, and Jack Bauer wannabees.

    Going third party or Republican on this is no answer, because the former are powerless and current Republicans are guilty of pushing this rather than just acquiescing to it, and are worse in every other way. But it’s very disheartening, nonetheless.

  • There are no circumstances under which I would vote for a Rethug ever. But unless Obama shuts down this sell-out I won’t campaign for him even if I vote for him. Once again we don’t really know what’s going on. The dim-Dems are in charge and they can’t stop this bill from reaching the floor? What? This smells worse than a pile of rotting corpses in the summer sun. What deals have been made? Who is pulling the strings? Where are our bloggers?

  • There is such fear on the part of the politicians at letting come to light what they have allowed to happen to our government. It is so obvious that they are swimming against popular opinion and yet they are going to push through protections that will hide the truth.

    They are desperate to hide the truth. They are cowards. They are cartoon caricatures of grown adults who said they would do the peoples work and run a clean effective government. They are as worthless and bogus as a three dollar bill. Gutless wonders. Words are inadequate.

    Travesties masquerading as elected officials.

  • This, this right here is why Americans don’t trust the government.

    This mistrust, this desire for change, this hope to once again think of our government as “the good guys” is why Obama has a chance at the presidency this year. I hope he doesn’t blow it by not speaking out against this “compromise”.

  • nerpzilla and Johnny Clamboat, how does electing John McCain constitute a protest of Telecom Immunity? Sour grapes are so unbecoming…so 90s Republican.

  • This doesn’t sound like much of a “compromise”

    Oh I disagree – this is indeed a compromise…

    ..as in “the Privacy Clause of our constitution has been compromised”

  • Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr. I guess that spine transplant didn’t hold after all.

    Cause it would be sooo hard to stand up to a policy of the most unpopular president in history.

    And yes, I’m pissed at Obama too. (though not in a change-my-vote way)

  • Thanks for the contact page. My letter:

    “My concern is with the telecom immunity compromise travesty being pushed by Steny Hoyer and Jay Rockefeller. This bill is basically a free pass for crimes which have been committed against the citizens of this country by our government, and Barack Obama has the power to stop it if he would speak out forcefully against and use his power as the Democratic nominee to full effect. The campaign is going wonderfully and I am very satisfied with the direction that has been chosen, there is real hope for some change in Washington once Senator Obama is elected, but this is not the time to completely neglect legislative responsibilities. If he wants to show that real change is in store next year, then the first step would be taking a few days to kill this disastrous bill. I would like to believe members of the Bush administration and their corporate accomplices will be held accountable for their looting of the treasury and evisceration of our Bill of Rights. This is a chance to show me and others who feel as strongly as I do that our hope is warranted.”

    I probably should have outright asked him to filibuster. I’ll send another one tomorrow and be more explicit.

  • Capt Kirk

    after cooling down, i admit i won’t vote mccain, but i may have to go third party, and if Obama doesn’t put 100% in to stop this, i’ll do that or stay at home. it isn’t so much a protest as it is giving in to hopelessness. why vote for these guys when, at a point they have all the power and all the momentum, they still spinelessly back down to the republicans and corporate interests. what is the point? yeah, there are other important things out there, but if we can’t get them to do nothing (that’s all they have to do – nothing), why should i count on them to actually get something done? what it is making clear to me is that the democratic party has been absolutely corrupted. i feared a HRC presidency/control of the party would result in this kind of madness. that’s why i thought an obama candidacy would actually bring about change. unless he steps up, i simply will have lost my faith. he wants to show us he isn’t an empty suit – this is the time.

    (and for the record, i’m from illinois, and have voted for him, and up to now, supported him completely. i think he is a thoughtful, intelligent leader, who genuinely understands and respects the constitution, so i never have believed in the crap some posters put about empty suit. but if he wants to lead this country and this party, (i don’t think the analogy is precise, but close enough nonetheless) this is his sista souljah moment. if he is the change we’re looking for, this is where he proves it to his most ardent supporters. if he doesn’t… i honestly just don’t know)

  • Capt Kirk…. Where did I say I was voting for John McCain? Assumptions, the mother of all fahk ups. I’d rather stab myself with a rusty screwdriver than vote for the Faux Maverick. If worse comes to worse, I’ll vote for Barr or write-in Mickey Mouse.

  • ok, now that i have my tin-foil hat in place,

    anyone who thinks it mere coincidence that the Dodd-Countrywide Mortgage revelations happened to come out and undermine Dodd’s credibility and standing (and serve as a serious warning shot across his bow) just a week before this vote on his signature “rebellion” issue raise your hand.

  • Glenn says it best:

    I’d like to underscore the fact that in 2006, when the Congress was controlled by Bill Frist and Denny Hastert, the administration tried to get a bill passed legalizing warrantless eavesdropping and telecom amnesty, but was unable. They had to wait until the Congress was controlled by Steny Hoyer, Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid to accomplish that.

    http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2008/06/19/telecom

  • nerpzilla, in a way I understand your logic. Rather than make it happen though, I console myself with the thought that if something drastic happens and Obama doesn’t get to be President, then yes, yes indeed, I hope the Rethugs drown with the millstones of their actions around their necks. Then maybe the American people will never allow a Rethug in office again. Although I hope that fantasy doesn’t come true and that it isn’t too late to stop the country from imploding like the U.S.S.R. did under the weight of their militarism.

    This may seem OT, but please bear with me. I heard on NPR this pm the author of the book “Torture Team” describing how the leaders of our gov’t, Bush included are NOT off the hook and can indeed be prosecuted for war crimes by other countries. He said that he hopes an Obama presidency will investigate the truth, whereas, he thinks a McCain presidency will sweep everything under the rug and quietly move on. The issues of this administration’s law breaking, in every way, must be brought to light in order for this country to thrive again. We can’t let an administration that commits such egregious offenses off the hook and not expect to see it happen again. The sheeple must be educated.

  • It’s so refreshing to see all the comments about this on the page. Talking about the Consitution and 4th amendment. I’ve been a lifelong Democrat before discovering Ron Paul, and now I realize that when it comes to the real important things, there’s no disagreement between the Democrats and Republicans. They both want more government, more invasion of your privacy, and more money. (Hey, at least the Dems want to spend it on our people instead of blowing up brown people!)

    I know a lot of you are turned off by the (R), I was too. In fact, I hate the GOP more now after seeing what they did to Dr. Paul than I did before (if it’s possible!) But check out http://www.campaignforliberty.org and see what we’re up to now that Ron Paul has dropped out of the race.

    There is only one way to take back this country, and that’s standing up and demanding that WE control the government. NOT the other way around!

    (I know I’m going to get a lot of heat for this post, but I’ll be glad to discuss things with anybody who’s interested in a real discussion!)

  • With Democrats like these, who needs Republicans?

    Exactly. The Blue Dogs are their best friends at this point. What a pairing..

  • It would also expand government spy powers to monitor communications between the U.S. and overseas to collect intelligence on topics beyond terrorism. — online WSJ

    Topics *beyond* terrorism… Back in USSR; you don’t know how lucky you are, boy. Back in, we’re back in USSR…

    And I’ll share the tinfoil hat with #39 (ever day’s a new daze); the timing of Dodd’s “outing” was too perfect to have been accidental.

  • I just made all these calls. Took less than 10 minutes. Go for it.

    Call Barack Obama and urge him to make a public statement reiterating his opposition to telco amnesty. His opposition could kill this deal: Phone (202) 224-2854, Fax (202) 228-4260

    Call Steny Hoyer and tell him this is a bad deal: Phone (202) 225-4131, Fax (202) 225-4300

    Call Nancy Pelosi and urge her to pull the bill from the House schedule: Phone (202) 225-4965, Fax (202) 225-8259

    Call your representative and tell them to vote no on the FISA rewrite tomorrow.

  • In case it hasn’t been noted…Reid is only voting against this because he has been assured it has more than enough votes to pass. Dodd does not have 40 people to block this legislation. The telecoms have sunk millions of dollars to guarantee this outcome. Hoyer said just months ago the exact opposite of what he says now. He’s been bought with the idea of consolidating his power in a dem controlled congress with a dem president. He’s got to go. Bond and Blunt are despicable reps from MO who dominate because of name recognition but the more Missourians become knowledgeable about what they’ve been doing as corporate loyalists they will be out…along with dem in name only Claire McCaskill who votes republican on every issue while lying about being a democrat.
    I encourage donating to pac blue which is about our only way of getting rid of these people who are so destructive to our democracy while lying about standing for democratic principles. We can at least get rid of the Georgia (Bush supporting dem) and get a real progressive liberal elected…this can be most easily accomplished. See Glenn Greenwalds site at salon.com for how to help.

    This FISA “give away” allows for the president and anyone he approves (even retroactively) to break any law they decide they need to break without oversight, accountability or even an explanation.

  • nerpzilla @8 : …the whole county will eventually collapse from too much fantasy accounting, warmongering and special interest legislating, and we can start over.

    “We had to destroy the country in order to save it.”

    Sorry, but no. This just cleared committee, still plenty of time to rattle the cage and get this thing killed once and for all.

  • There is only one way to take back this country, and that’s standing up and demanding that WE control the government.

    That’s cool, in the meantime CALL YOUR REP. Be firm, be polite, and be clear.

  • I’d rather lose an election with a real Democrat than continuously filling the federal government with these DINOs. And people wonder why Nader said there wasn’t a whit of difference between Democrats and Republicans.

    He was flat out wrong about Al Gore and George Bush, but he was also so very right in a lot of ways about the congress.

    We’ve got a lot of house keeping to do over the next several years.

  • Ok, folks, sorry to jump to the McConclusion. I know that I am really really pissed about this also, but I don’t see blaming Obama. But I do hope he takes the hints and does whatever he can to stop this surrender to Dictatorship.

  • Reading Glenn, it’s encouraging that the blogosphere will be critical of Obama when he’s not leading in important ways.

    Steve, you might be letting him off too easy. I think he does have the power and responsibility to make an issue of this (if not singlehandedly stop it).

    This is a horrible, horrible, horrible law.

  • Here are three faxes I just sent. There must be a groundswell of protest about this bill. I really wanted to tell Steny Hoyer, “God damn you,” but I kept it polite.

    FAX

    To: Nancy Pelosi, Speaker of the House
    202 225 8259
    From: *****
    Subject: Telecom Immunity
    Date: June 19.2008

    =====

    America is outraged that the Senate has basically voted to allow GW Bush to get off scott-free from his illegal spying on Americans.

    PLEASE pull this bill from the House schedule. Let the current FISA provisions expire, and deal with this matter after the new Democratic president and Congress have been inaugurated in January 2009. Let the Bush administration and the telcoms face the consequences of their unconstitutional actions, not Americans.

    Please don’t let us down.

    Thank you.

    FAX

    To: Steny Hoyer
    202 225 4300
    From: *****
    Subject: Telecom Immunity
    Date: June 19.2008

    =====

    America is outraged that the Senate has basically voted to allow GW Bush to get off scott-free from his illegal spying on Americans.

    PLEASE let the current FISA provisions expire, and deal with this matter after the new Democratic president and Congress have been inaugurated in January 2009. Let the Bush administration and the telcoms face the consequences of their actions. This is HORRIBLE for America, and I am ashamed that any Democrat supports it.

    Please don’t let us down.

    Thank you.

    FAX

    To: Senator Barack Obama
    202 228 4260
    From: *****
    Subject: Telecom Immunity
    Date: June 19.2008

    =====

    America is outraged that the Senate has basically voted to allow GW Bush to get off scott-free from his illegal spying on Americans.

    PLEASE make another strong statement about your opposition to this bill. Tell Congress to let the current FISA provisions expire, and deal with this matter after the next president and Congress have been inaugurated in January 2009. Let the Bush administration and the telcoms face the consequences of their actions, not Americans.

    Please don’t let us down.

    Thank you.

    *************

    The fax numbers are correct — at least, all three went through. Sent from my trusty home PC FAX/Printer.

  • “The “review” doesn’t amount to much of a check.”

    Hmmm… WRONG! The review is the best kind of check… a blank cheque!

  • If you believe all the things people tell their kids (Mr. Smith goes to Washington) so they grow up to be good little republicans, then there are a heck of a lot of people corresponding with their representatives agreeing that it is necessary to fully surrender their rights so government, OUR government, can lay waste to all that is good and has structure.

    How we continue to plod this roads direction up until the 8 year mark leaves me breathless. Common sense wouldn’t allow a bill like this off the writers desk and now I have to flood my representative with correspondence pointing out the obvious. !!!

    Maybe a third party will gain momentum after 2008 because what we have now isn’t doing it.

  • I’m actually getting to the point that I’d support an Obama presidency with a Republican congress right now. The Democrats in Congress have proven, time and time again, that they’re not an effective opposition party, and are completely unwilling to rein in a President that’s out of control.

    McCain + Democratic Congress = what we’ve had for the last eight years. McCain + Republican Congress = what we’ve had for the last eight years. Obama + Democratic Congress = Democratic party that seriously believes what it’s doing has some kind of mandate. Much as I want Obama to be true to his promise, realistically his silence on this issue suggests he’s not the candidate we hoped he is. So legislative gridlock isn’t realistically going to kill his chance to be the best President he can be.

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