Conflating all our enemies into one

About a month ago, in the first Republican presidential candidates’ debate, Mitt Romney tried to explain how he perceives threats to the U.S. from the Middle East: “This is about Shi’a and Sunni. This is about Hezbollah and Hamas and al Qaeda and the Muslim Brotherhood. This is the worldwide jihadist effort to try and cause the collapse of all moderate Islamic governments and replace them with a caliphate. They also probably want to bring down the United States of America.”

It seemed to impress the Republican faithful, but it didn’t make a lot of sense. Muslim Brotherhood and al Qaeda, for example, have nothing to do with one another. The latter is a terrorist organization; the prior has renounced violent jihad and, in some countries, participated in elections.

Romney was articulating a national security strategy that conflates groups, sects, and agendas that have nothing to do with one another. Last night, his GOP competitors started doing the same thing.

Wolf Blitzer asked Rudy Giuliani, for example, whether he’d use nuclear weapons against Iran to prevent the country from completing a nuclear program. The former mayor said he wouldn’t “take any option off the table,” adding:

“Iran is a threat, a nuclear threat, not just because they can deliver a nuclear warhead with missiles. They’re a nuclear threat because they are the biggest state sponsor of terrorism and they can hand nuclear materials to terrorists. And we saw just last week in New York an attempt by Islamic terrorists to attack JFK Airport; three weeks ago, an attempt to attack Fort Dix.”

Now, the plots at JFK Airport and Fort Dix weren’t nearly as serious as Giuliani has suggested, but more importantly, what did they have to do with Iran? Nothing. For Giuliani, they were Islamic radicals, and Iran has Islamic radicals, ergo, they should be lumped together.

Giuliani was hardly the only one.

Blitzer asked Mike Huckabee whether he has confidence in Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki. Huckabee responded:

“I want to remind all of us on this stage and the people in the audience that there’s a reason that this is such a struggle. And I think we miss it over here in the West. Today’s the birthday of Ronald Reagan. We all would believe that Ronald Reagan is the one who ended the Cold War, and Ronald Reagan is the one who helped bring about the collapse of the Soviet Union.

“But there’s a group of people who don’t believe that, and that’s the Taliban. They believe they brought about the demise of the Soviet Union because of the way they fought in Afghanistan.”

First, yesterday wasn’t Reagan’s birthday (it was in February). Second, Huckabee responded to a question about Maliki by talking about the Taliban. Maybe this was some kind of attempt to dodge the substance of the question — though I don’t know why Huckabee would be reluctant to criticize Maliki — but it sounded like he believes the Taliban are somehow involved with the violence in Iraq.

McCain wasn’t quite as ridiculous, but he did offer this:

“[Terrorism] is a force of evil that is within our shores. Look at the events of the last few days at JFK, attempts at Fort Dix, the London suicide bombers.”

In reality, the only thing those three plots have to do with one another is that none was as serious as advertised. (This may be the transcendent issue of our time, but if so, why can’t the candidates come up with better examples?)

One gets the sense that we’re looking at some kind of misplaced machismo. The GOP candidates can say, “I hate terrorists,” and prove it by conflating groups and events that are entirely unrelated.

Is this all it takes to be considered credible on national security in conservative circles?

and this is why these asshats should never be president

  • At some point, I thought I heard Giuliani say that Saddam, Iran, and al Qaeda were in league with each other.

    Which sounds like a set up to a joke. “A Sunni terrorist, a Shi’a fundamentalist, and an Arab secularist walk into a bar.” And toast “Death to America” or something.

  • “Which sounds like a set up to a joke. “A Sunni terrorist, a Shi’a fundamentalist, and an Arab secularist walk into a bar.” And toast “Death to America” or something.”

    The Sunni terrorist toasts, “Death to America!” The Shi’a fundamentalist toasts, “Yes, Death to America!” The Arab secularist says, “I wish I could agree with you guys, but the U.S. wouldn’t be so bad if they didn’t have that asshole Bush running the country.” At that point the CIA bursts in and arrests ONLY the secularist.

  • The Turks just went into Iraq.

    To quote Michael Palin in Holy Grail:

    “Oh, bloody hell….”

  • 2Manchu – Just saw that on CNN. I said pretty much the same thing. We don’t want to mess with the Turks. What a fucking mess – thanks George Dumbass Bush.

  • “The Turks just went into Iraq.”

    Don’t worry, 2Manchu and The sister – once we get a new R president, he’ll fix everything by a nice application of ‘tactical’ nuclear weapons. Yeesh.

  • In order to discuss terrorism intelligently, one has to have a deep understanding of history, of religion, of politics and culture – and none of these guys has more than a little finger’s-worth of it, which means the only way they can talk about it is to smoosh it all into a big ball and give generic responses that are wrong because there is almost no way they can’t be. They think if they throw in some key words, like “9/11” and “al-Qaeda” and “Islamic fundamentalists” and “nuclear capability,” that they look smart, and that, combined with a suitably serious demeanor with flashed of anger, will cause people who vote to think “presidential.”

    There are very few people who can speak with authority on these matters – we are all, as a nation, woefully ignorant on these issues – hell, too many of us are ignorant on the history of this country.

    Someone needs to call bullshit on these candidates before the kinds of things they are saying are elevated to truth by a media that is so blinded by the glory of being in the middle of all this that it won’t do it for us.

  • What Anne said.

    And I would add that this kind of lazy groupthink is exactly what led most Americans to believe that Iraq was involved in 9/11. The media people should be ashamed of themselves, but they’re too busy making millions selling us a bunch of crap we don’t need.

    If we can’t figure out how to identify real threats from false ones, and/or elect people who are smart enough to do that, we are truly doomed.

  • I know we have to question Romney’s simplistic conflations, but let’s not get too simplistic in the other direction. The Islamic groups are not the same but they do have some things in common.

  • These guys are not dumb, but they know their base is dumb. Their base is not capable of understanding nuance; they are only capable of black and white thinking. So these guys will say anything to rev up the hate-mongering which has served the Bushies so well. That is the only card they can play now.

    Is it any wonder that they make the most preposterous claims? They know their base will eat it up because their base is stupid, gullible and is looking for someone who will validate their hatred/fears of “other” people.

  • amen, sister

    gg, hopefully the Turks won’t try to mess with our bodily fluids.

    “Today’s the birthday of Ronald Reagan. We all would believe that Ronald Reagan is the one who ended the Cold War, and Ronald Reagan is the one who helped bring about the collapse of the Soviet Union.”

    Yeah, along with the Truman Doctrine, the Marshall Plan, the formation of NATO, the Helsinki Accords, detente, SALT I, the Solidarity Movement, the nuclear freeze movement, expanded contact between human rights groups on both sides of the Iron Curtain, perestroka, a damaging war in Afghanistan, glasnot, having a Soviet president (Gorbachev) who was open to reducing tensions (I seem to recall Reagan offering both the get rid of all nukes AND sharing SDI with the Soviets), the INF treaty, the independence movements in the Baltic states, the Beatles, the US beating the Soviets in hockey in 1980, and of course the opening of the first McDonalds in Moscow.

    .

  • It was somewhere around the dawn of the last millennium that white men swarmed into the Middle East in order to liberate the Holy Land from the Muslims. One thousand years have passed, and the goal now is to liberate the oil from the Muslims, but otherwise little has changed. Is it any wonder, after hearing the GOP candidates conflate all Muslim groups into a generic category of “enemy”, that it looks to many Muslims that were having a reprise of the Crusades. One might almost thing that there’s a conspiracy — the GOPers wage a Crusade which helps radicalize Islam which helps GOPers scare the electorate into supporting them so they can keep us safe.

  • It was somewhere around the dawn of the last millennium that white men swarmed into the Middle East in order to liberate the Holy Land from the Muslims. One thousand years have passed, and the goal now is to liberate the oil from the Muslims, but otherwise little has changed. Is it any wonder, after hearing the GOP candidates conflate all Muslim groups into a generic category of “enemy”, that it looks to many Muslims that we’re staging a reprise of the Crusades. One might almost thing that there’s a conspiracy — the GOPers wage a Crusade which helps radicalize Islam which helps GOPers scare the electorate into supporting them so they can keep us safe.

  • This reminds me, Brownback said “The leading cause of fear in America today is that you’ll get cancer..”

    Apparently Senator Brownshirt is living in an alternate universe, where Americans are not intimidated and manipulated through fear due to a war that was declared against a tactic (terrorism) or against a psychological state (terror).

    The whole premise of conflating all our enemies into one is to further obfuscate the real problem, a foreign policy of American Imperialism, to further illicit the dog-whistle response of Das Base, and to advance the intimidation and manipulation of the American people through fear so as to ensure neocon supremacy of the anational imperial corporatists.

  • why can’t the candidates come up with better examples?

    Excellent question!

    Because there aren’t any. And there aren’t any because the United Muslim Jihadist Terrorist Front really hasn’t needed to come up with any.

    If you accept or assume that their only objective is to terrorize us, they are probably perfectly satisfied with the job that the Bushies have been doing to keep us terrified.

    9/11, together with the booster doses of the Madrid train bombings and the London 7/7 bus-train bombings, was more than enough. No more serious plots are required.

    They don’t even have to foment mickey mouse plots. That can safely be left to wannabe terrorists nursing massive grudges against the societies they live in.

  • Were these guys born knuckle dragging drooling losers or is there a special school for that?

  • sarabeth wrote: “If you accept or assume that their only objective is to terrorize us, they are probably perfectly satisfied with the job that the Bushies have been doing to keep us terrified.”

    (Scene: terrorist leader slouching on couch, eating Cheese Puffs, watching Fox News.)

    Terrorist Leader: *Munch-munch-munch* Awful quiet out there in the U.S. today. Spread the word that we’re planning to attack, oh, I don’t know, say L.L. Bean outlet stores.

    Terrorist sycophant: Yes, dear leader!

    (Ten minutes pass.)

    FOX News anchor: This just in! Homeland Security has stopped a terrorist plot to blow up L.L. Bean outlet stores! All L.L. Bean employees are being rounded up for questioning! All people wearing L.L. Bean fashions on aircraft will be detained and strip searched! THANK GOD FOR OUR DEAR LEADER G.W. BUSH AND ALL THE THINGS HE’S DONE TO MAKE OUR COUNTRY SAFE! HALLELUJAH! YAY! YAY! YAAAAAAAY!!!!!

    Terrorist Leader: *Munch-munch-munch* Excellent. Now spread the word that we’re going to blow up planes with bombs up our asses.

  • Now spread the word that we’re going to blow up planes with bombs up our asses.

    Before you went and put that on the internets did you stop to think for even one second: “What if the terrorists read TCBR just for fun?

    You are going to singlehandedly bring down the U.S. airline industry. Flying to, from or within the U.S. is going to be history.

    And it won’t even need real terrorists. Homegrown wannabes talking about sticks of plastic explosive that they’ll light with a fart is going to be all it takes.

    At least we are all forewarned. Cash in those frequent flyer miles .

  • Huckabee misspoke regarding Reagan’s birthday. For the record, yesterday was the third anniversary of the Great (mis)Communicator’s death.

    But I guess if you’re addressing Repub primary voters, the only way to effectively communicate is to acknowledge that up is down, black is white, birth is death, etc.

  • #11 2Manchu

    You forgot the Pope. I was no big fan of his, but I don’t think his influence, particularly on Poland, can be ignored.

  • #19: “great, now there’s Dr. Pepper all over my screen.”

    #20: “You are going to singlehandedly bring down the U.S. airline industry.”

    Alas, I should have thought about the consequences of my actions before posting. I guess all that’s left to do is wait in my office and see who kicks in the door to arrest me first: DHS or the Dr. Pepper company.

  • Giuliani is starting to resemble all those awful old Italian jokes. Huckabee’s pretty close to the embodiment of all the hillbilly jokes.

  • Giuliani is starting to resemble all those awful old Italian jokes. Huckabee’s pretty close to the embodiment of all the hillbilly jokes. But then, Republicans as a group are a joke. A bad one, but a joke nonetheless.

  • Speaking of Romney being confused on Iraq, was it just me or did he suggest in his response to the very first question last night that if only we had let weapons inspectors in, and if only they had not found WMD, then invading Iraq might have been a mistake? IIRC, isn’t that exactly what happened?

    (“…that is that if you’re saying let’s turn back the clock and Saddam Hussein had opening up his country to IAEA inspectors and they’d come in and they’d found that there were no weapons of mass destruction, had Saddam Hussein therefore not violated United Nations resolutions, we wouldn’t be in the conflict we’re in.

    But he didn’t do those things, and we knew what we knew at the point we made the decision to get in. …”)

  • Michael7843853 G-O in 08!,

    good point. Lech Walesa was in Omaha a few years back, and he said it was John Paul II’s 1979 visit to Poland that helped spark the Solidarity movement.

    There are so many reasons for the end of the Cold War. To think that it ended because the Gipper kicked up defense spending and called the Soviets the “evil empire” (a comment he later rescinded once relations improved ) is just being ignorant of history.

  • Tommy Thompson out did them all in an interview on NPR some weeks ago. He conflated Cuba, China, North Korea, Iran, al Qaeda, Hezbolah and Hamas (along with others no doubt).

    It’s enough to make Nixon spin in his grave. Doesn’t even ONE of these idiots understand that you want to divide your enemies and unite your friends.

    Sun Tzu, Machiavelli, Clauswitz, Napoleon. Read a book morons!

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