Confusion still reigns on Iraq, 9/11

This just hurts.

Six years after the 9/11 terror attacks on the U.S., it seems the media still have some educational work to do. A new CBS/New York Times poll reveals that even today, 1 in 3 Americans believe that “Saddam Hussein was personally involved in the September 11th, 2001, terrorist attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon.”

This notion was thoroughly debunked by official sources, including those in the White House, years ago, but the myth endures. Polls have shown that belief in this untruth was a prime component in support for the attack on Iraq.

There is, of course, a partisan difference. Dems are the least likely to get this wrong, and Republicans are the most likely to get this wrong. How bad is it? A whopping 40% of Republicans, six years after the attacks, still believe Saddam Hussein was personally involved in 9/11. So, for every five Republicans you meet, on average, two of them are confused about this basic fact.

That’s quite a few Republicans.

I frequently struggle with who deserves the blame for this kind of ignorance. On the one hand, democracy can only thrive with an informed electorate, and people have to take some responsibility for understanding the basics of current events.

On the other hand, there’s still an ongoing effort to mislead people about reality.

The television commercial is grim and gripping: A soldier who lost both legs in an explosion near Fallujah explains why he thinks U.S. forces need to stay in Iraq.

“They attacked us,” he says as the screen turns to an image of the second hijacked airplane heading toward the smoking World Trade Center on Sept. 11, 2001. “And they will again. They won’t stop in Iraq.”

Every investigation has shown that Iraq did not, in fact, have anything to do with the Sept. 11 attacks. But the ad, part of a new $15 million media blitz launched by an advocacy group [Freedom’s Watch] allied with the White House, may be the most overt attempt during the current debate in Congress over the war to link the attacks with Iraq.

Former Bush White House press secretary Ari Fleischer, one of the group’s founders, said the ad is not misleading by saying “they attacked us” in the context of Iraq and showing the image of the Sept. 11 attack. “Iraqis did not attack us on 9/11,” he agreed. But it does not matter, Fleischer added, because some of the same sorts of people who did are now fighting U.S. forces in Iraq.

“Nine-one-one absolutely is a bona fide, legitimate reason to remind people what’s at stake,” he said. “The point is not that Iraq was responsible for 9/11. They’re not. But 9/11 should be a vivid reminder to everyone about how vulnerable our country is and that’s why we need to win in Iraq.”

And if people are confused into believing a lie, so be it.

And if people are confused into believing a lie, so be it.

Anybody catch the irony here? JKap?

  • I don’t think it’s “So be it.” I think it’s “So much the better.”

    “So be it” would be an incidental, vaguely undesirable outcome that you’re willing to accept as a necessary cost.

    “So much the better” is the icing on the cake that you celebrate.

  • From the Poll: “Four in 10 Republicans still hold this view, compared with 32% of Independents and 27% of Democrats.”

    Hey CB, that’s also a heck of a lot of Independents and Dems who hold that ignorant view as well.

  • Indefinite pronouns are such useful PR tools. They allow you to mislead people so blatantly while leaving the plausible deniability that Ari Fleischer so aptly used when he was able to parse his way to saying, “because some of the same sorts of people who did are now fighting U.S. forces in Iraq.” F*cker.

  • I’ve long thought that there was a bit less than meets the eye to statistics showing large-scale belief that Iraq was behind 9/11. I think if you asked, you’d discover that large numbers of people don’t understand the idea that “arabs” aren’t some undifferentiated mass, and that the statements “arabs were behind 9/11” and “iraqis were behind 9/11” are different statements. If you see all arabs as being the same, then saying “they attacked us on 9/11” is assumed to include iraqis, just by definition. That kind of racist ignorance is quite widespread, and I think it’s the basis for this continuing confusion.

    Republicans being confused about reality is a dog-bites-man story if ever there was one.

  • I see the irony very clearly, Haik. Thanks.

    I also see that the 9/11 Commission is at least partially to blame for the lack of public awareness. When you allocate only $15M for an extensive investigation on the scale of 9/11, it’s no wonder that the American People are misinformed.

    I’ve made this point before, but I believe that at least $15M should have been spent on public awareness alone (then you wouldn’t have too many slow-coaches thinking that Saddam Hussein was in on 9/11). But I get the feeling that our Dear Leaders, Dick&Bush, were not interested in informing the public about the events of 9/11 (except to know that it was horrific and to be afraid). That is especially evident when you consider that (again, sorry to sound like a broken record, but people need to know this) Dick Cheney & George Bush testified to the 9/11 Commission together, in private, not under oath, and without transcript.

    It’s time for people to read the 9/11 Commission Report for themselves and discern the facts for themselves. Isn’t it of paramount importance to have a strong grasp of the government’s official exposition into the 9/11 attacks? We are bombarded with ‘9/11. 9/11, 9/11’ and all things ‘Global War on Terror’ almost everyday and our government’s (and many world governments’) policies have been set and continue to be based upon this one world event.

    Rational people agree: there is a singular Truth to discernible reality. That includes 9/11.

  • Law of the Lie: No matter how often a lie is shown to be false, there will remain a percentage of people who believe it true. (Source: Murphy’s Law 26th Anniversary Edition)

  • I think so many Republicans believe this because they want to believe it. I was speaking with a conservative friend yesterday who sincerely believes that the Democratic leadership wants al-Qaeda to “win.” I tried to point out that they have a sincere difference of opinion about this nation’s interests and because they disagree that the Iraq war is a sensible approach, they are not traitors, just as those Republicans who vociferously disagreed with our intervention in Bosnia were not traitors. He didn’t want to hear it. I think many Republicans really do hate liberals more than they hate al-Qaeda. Pathetic. It’s just like the Moveon.org controversy, which I see as no different than and no more mature than the political dialogue engaged in by those Republicans who shout Defeatocrats and compared Tom Daschle and Max Cleland to Osama. I think we’ve reached a state of hysteria in our political discourse, aided and abetted by American journalism. After all, we know how much Edwards is willing to pay for a haircut but we don’t know how much McCain et. al. are willing to pay in blood and treasure for whatever it is we’re buying in Iraq this week.

  • If the cause is just, why the need for lies and confusion?

    What Fleischer is really saying is that it’s okay to mislead and confuse if the result is that people are led to supporting an agenda that would fail if the truth were told.

    Really, how much support would there have been if Bush went on national TV and said, “We know there are no WMD, that Iraq did not attack us, and Saddam was not behind the attacks. The truth is, I want to kick some more Middle Eastern ass, and Iraq doesn’t have the ability to kick back, so it’s perfect for someone like me, who’s always liked being a bully.”

    Well, there would be some, who like Bush, just like kicking ass, and wouldn’t need a real reason – but when you break it down like that, it’s easy to see why they lied, and why the more confusion they can create, the better.

  • Finally someone in the media sees what the fundamental problem is with Iraq.

    If you believe that “Saddam Hussein was personally involved in the September 11th, 2001, terrorist attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon.” then you will believe that the Iraq war was totally justified, and that Bush is not a total idiot.

    This belief is the cornerstone of the Iraq occupation, and the media is responsible for telling the public the truth, not just parroting shit from people who benefit from idiots being fooled.

    There will always be some idiots out there, but 1/3 of us believing a blatant lie is a sure fire way to get into another war.

    Note that Cheney thinks he only needs 35% support to kick off a war with Iran.
    http://www.juancole.com/2007/08/cheney-iran-here-we-go-again.html

  • Keep this in perspective. There is a sizeable percentage in this country who still believe the earth is flat, evolution is a conspiracy, aliens from other planets visit the planet regularly, and God is benevolent.

  • From a report prepared during WWII by the United States Office of Strategic Services, describing Hitler’s psychological profile:

    His primary rules were: never allow the public to cool off; never admit a fault or wrong; never concede that there may be some good in your enemy; never leave room for alternatives; never accept blame; concentrate on one enemy at a time and blame him for everything that goes wrong; people will believe a big lie sooner than a little one; and if you repeat it frequently enough people will sooner or later believe it.

    That sounds like BushCo in a nutshell.

  • I just wanted to mention that the No Peace, More War Movement, led by Ari Fleischer, spent $15M on an advertising campaign to sell the U.S. Military Occupation of Iraq. Isn’t it ironic that $15M was the amount allocated for the 9/11 Commission?

    Indeed, our priorities are completely out of whack.

  • “Today, we find out the Hunt Corporation of Texas has signed an oil exploration agreement with Kurdistan,” Representative Neil Abercrombie of Hawaii told Petraeus. “The central government is cut out. At the same time, we read that the Commerce Department is seeking an international legal adviser to draft laws and regulations that will govern Iraq’s oil and gas sector. We are going to be doing the drafting of the oil protocols. Iraq is not a sovereign country.”

    Petraeus had no answer for that one.

    – Progressive Magazine highlighting the most eye-opening exchange of the Patraeus Performance

  • Added to the percentage of nincompoops who think 9/11 was a hoax and we have a lot of uniformed folks from sea to shining sea.

  • This is why Bush, Cheney, Petraeus, etc, have been pushing the idea of Al Queda operating in Iraq. In fact, they practically invited them in. But now they can say “we are fighting the same people in Iraq who attacked us on 9/11”. And the sheeple will buy it back home.

    This whole war is a fucking P.R. stunt. Scary, because it’s a deadly, immoral, unforgivable stunt of the highest order.

  • According to John Nichols of The Nation magazine, Saddam Hussein even sent condolences to the US after 911.

    How incredibly devious he was, huh?

  • Hey JRS, Jr –
    That’s an excellent point! About 2 in 5 repubs, 1 in 3 Indys, and 1 in 4 Dems (WTF?) are confused about this lie. Could this be an accident?

    Insert standard whine about corporate owned media. You folks reading this are aware enough to not need the painful details.

    Do we have laws on the books about false and misleading advertisement? Can Ari and his little pool of pond-scum be sued under existing laws?

    Sorry for insulting pond-scum, we need a new set of insulting terms for these accomplices to mass murder. War is murder, rape, child molestation, and all the elements of hell on earth. And these people are cheering it on. They have blood on their hands, and not enough conscience to realize it.

  • Never underestimate the ability of people to believe what they want to believe, regardless of the facts.

    No matter how much money you spend on broadcasting the truth about the non-connection between Iraq and 9/11, a sizeable group of people have a vested interest in believing that they’re connected.

    1 in 3 Americans believe that Iraq was connected to 9/11, despite all of the contrary evidence.

    The president’s approval ratings hover in the mid-30th percentile, despite every action and inaction performed on his part.

    These numbers do not align by accident.

  • Added to the percentage of nincompoops who think 9/11 was a hoax

    How are you using hoax here? Normally I would think a hoax as something that was faked, ie 9/11 didn’t actually happen/no one died/it was stagecraft. I don’t think you mean people who believe that(does anyone believe that?). I think you are calling people who doubt the official version of 9/11 nincompoops. If that is the case, I have to disagree with the use of nincompoops and I would like to ask what, according to you, are the “accepted facts” of 9/11. Where am I supposed to stop questioning? What is the range of acceptable discourse?

  • Not that it happens often, but I am in complete agreement with JRS Jr. Who are the self-identifying Dems who are ignorant of this fact?

  • There were 2 contributing factors for the 2004 election outcome:

    1) Republican voter suppression

    2) The unrelenting misinformation campaign being run by Karl Rove et al; it began on Sept 12, 2001 and never let up. The cloud of bullshit that overhung the election was just astounding in its scope. Deception of the highest order, and the denial of the right to excercise free through, educated, truthful debate.

    IMHO, the most fitting punishment for the Bush Crime Syndicate would be to place an Asterisk (*) next to his name for all time.

    *2000: decided by Right-Wing Supreme Court Decision
    *2004: Diebold.

  • Re: Rambuncle @ #21
    What is the range of acceptable discourse?

    There is no discourse.

    The truth about the events of 9/11 is supposed to be self-evident (even here in the “Reality-Based Community”). To question the official explanation for the events of 9/11 is to acquiesce to the ridicule and scorn of mainstream society.

    That’s quite odd, if you ask me, considering the results of a recent Zogby International poll that shows that 51% of Americans (up from 45% last year) want Bush and Cheney to be directly investigated for their actions on 9/11 and 67% fault the 9/11 Commission for their failure to probe the anomalous collapse of World Trade Center 7 (the 47-story steel-framed skyscraper that was not struck by an aircraft yet collapsed at 5:20 PM ET, 9/11/2001 –the collapse of which was entirely omitted from the 9/11 Commission Report).

  • JKap,
    There was a very thorough, very unpolitical investigation done by an engineering society if I remember correctly constituting engineers from both consulting firms and universities. They make very few guesses. The conditions present up to the fall of the World Trade center 7 are investigated thoroughly and the conclusion presented. I found the evidence believable and the conclusions very carefully presented. If you are interested in downloading the report I will find the reference for you. I believe the 9/11 Commission decided to limit their investigation so the public could be informed more quickly. Just my guess though. Another good reason is that they had a relatively small budget to operate with as you pointed out above.
    David Chisholm

  • David, perhaps this is what you are referring to: NIST Status Update on World Trade Center 7 Investigation

    The NIST’s report on the collapse of WTC7 is not complete. However, they do mention that the “…NIST would like to determine the magnitude of hypothetical blast scenarios that could have led to the structural failure of one or more critical elements.”

    I’d say the analysis of the collapse is hardly thorough if it has not yet been completed.

  • Who is to blame for the ignorance of such a large percentage of Americans getting the 9/11/Iraq connection completely wrong? Well at some point you have to come to the conclusion that a large percentage of Americans are lazy, stupid, lame-ass and too busy doing what ever to take any sincere interest in their own survival. And so we will lose this country. That is simply the way it’s going to go down. For democracy to be successful the population must put in the time studying the issues of the day or it will and has become corrupted. We as a nation get the government we deserve. If we the conscious Americans can’t pry the dumb folk’s heads out of their own asses than we all lose.

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