Conservative apoplexy over Pelosi’s head scarf

Following the White House’s lead, far-right blogs have been slamming Speaker [tag]Pelosi[/tag]’s visit to Syria with some over-the-top harangues. But the real problem, apparently, is what the House Speaker chose to wear while visiting the country.

Wearing a flowered [tag]head scarf[/tag] and a black abaya robe, Pelosi visited the 8th-century Omayyad Mosque, shaking hands with Syrian women inside and watching men in a religion class sitting cross-legged on the floor.

That Pelosi would wear a head scarf was deemed so outrageous by her conservative critics, you’d think she’d burned an American flag on the steps of a Syrian mosque. Drudge got the ball rolling with a big photo of Pelosi’s attire, and the rest of the right pounced.

One wrote, “The Speaker of the House is not only going out of her way to defund America’s troops in Iraq and shake hands with leaders of terrorist states like Syria, but is now donning the garb of America’s enemies…. What’s next — a suicide bomber belt?” Another argued, “The anti-American propaganda this woman has given the very people who want to totally destroy us is immense.” Yet another said, “This picture disgusts me. What message is Nancy Pelosi trying to send?” Many of the right’s leading sites had similar comments and criticism, most suggesting that Islam is misguided for requiring women to cover their hair in a mosque.

Oh, conservatives, what are we going to do with you.

When Laura Bush visited the al-Aqsa mosque in Jerusalem, she wore — you guessed it — a head scarf. She did the same at the Dome of the Rock mosque. Was she “donning the garb of America’s enemies”? Did she “disgust” the president’s allies?

When the First Lady visited the Vatican, she wore — wait for it — a head scarf. Apparently, it’s still required of women visitors to the Vatican. Is the right prepared to bash Roman Catholicism for having the same traditional rules as mosques in the Middle East?

For that matter, Steve M. notes that “Pelosi’s own faith, Roman Catholicism, required women to wear veils in church until Vatican II — which took place when she was in her mid-twenties.” Barbara O’Brien added that she’s “seen photographs of Karen Hughes and Condi Rice with scarves wrapped around their heads hijab-style while visiting the Middle East.”

Look, this need not be complicated. When U.S. diplomats travel overseas, they’re careful to honor local traditions. Male diplomats know not to show Muslims the bottoms of their shoes. They know not to eat with their left hand. They don’t give unwelcome backrubs to foreign heads of state (well, most of them know this). Yesterday was no different.

Pelosi was a guest in [tag]Syria[/tag], she was visiting a mosque, so she honored and respected the practices of her hosts, just as other women representing the Bush administration have done under similar circumstances. So what, exactly, is the right so worked up about?

One wonders whether these guys ever get tired of being so wrong, so often.

every time i think i’ve heard everything from these morons they amaze me again. what pure unadulterated bullshit.

  • 1 Corinthians 11:5,6

    “But every woman that prayeth or prophesieth with her head uncovered dishonoureth her head: for that is even all one as if she were shaven.
    For if the woman be not covered, let her also be shorn: but if it be a shame for a woman to be shorn or shaven, let her be covered.”

    That must be part of that Biblical illiteracy the newsweeklies are so upset about.

  • What would immediately shut up the winger idiots is publication of side-by-side photos of Pelosi, Laura Bush, Condi and Hughes from their visits to the middle east. Of course, the sensible blogs would do this, but the MSM? Probably not. That would ruin several hours of “coverage” of this “controversy”.

  • So what was she supposed to do, wear an american flag thong bikini while playing the Star Spangled Banner?

    Basic diplomacy involves dealing with local customers. Then again, we’re talking “diplomacy” something the wingnuts despise.

  • Over at the GinaCobb blog, they’re suggesting Pelosi be indicted under the Logan Act (!) for her treason in doing this.

    The education camps are going to be open a loooooooooooong time as we repair the disaster of home-schooling.

  • What’s next, Hillary can’t wear a kufi?
    🙂

    Seriously, if she was advised to do this she was given bad advice and should have avoided the situation. It doesn’t matter whether she should be able to wear this at this mosque without people equating it with something it’s not.

  • Let’s not forget that these are people who insist that foreigners adopt our style of dress and culture when in our country, and don’t even think that immigrants should use their “foreign” names while living here. Hell, they can’t stand the fact that some people can’t speak English.

    These attacks are entirely absurd and an embarrassment to these people. But I somehow doubt they’ll see it that way and this is likely to be yet another of those trumped-up attacks they cite for years as proof of liberal traitorism.


  • When Laura Bush visited the al-Aqsa mosque in Jerusalem, she wore — you guessed it — a head scarf. She did the same at the Dome of the Rock mosque. Was she “donning the garb of America’s enemies”? Did she “disgust” the president’s allies?

    When the First Lady visited the Vatican, she wore — wait for it — a head scarf. Apparently, it’s still required of women visitors to the Vatican. Is the right prepared to bash Roman Catholicism for having the same traditional rules as mosques in the Middle East?

    For that matter, Steve M. notes that “Pelosi’s own faith, Roman Catholicism, required women to wear veils in church until Vatican II — which took place when she was in her mid-twenties.” Barbara O’Brien added that she’s “seen photographs of Karen Hughes and Condi Rice with scarves wrapped around their heads hijab-style while visiting the Middle East.”

    Uh-oh

  • Well, the “SCSU” in SCSUScholars stands for St. Cloud State University, about 50 miles northwest of here. You have to forgive them, for their rage is the consequence of their hockey team having, once again, failed to win an NCAA Div I tournament game. They’ve had six cracks at it, and come up empty every time. They’re 0-fers, not Gophers, and it drives them mad.

  • Oh, conservatives, what are we going to do with you.

    Show you Laura Bush in a full-out, black, wound-around-the-neck hijab inside al-Aqsa?

  • Can’t wait for the upcoming Obama post in which it is revealed that… wait for it…

    Obama kicks some serious fundraising butt.

    Though I’m sure that’s news to anyone here since it’s all over the ‘net.

  • ***The education camps are going to be open a loooooooooooong time as we repair the disaster of home-schooling.***
    ——————Tom Cleaver

    Tom, the problem here isn’t “homeschooling.” The problem is allowing bigotry and hate to be included in a homeschooling curriculum.

    Okay—here’s the deal-ee-oh, Tom. I “homeschool” my son. He suffers from this whacked-out thing called “Childhood Onset Migraines.” It’s triggered by fluorescent lighting (show me a classroom without it), high-intensity lamps (gotta have ’em in every gymnasium and lunchroom these days), and a hypersensitive allergy to Whey and MSG (check out the stuff they serve in public school cafeterias, Tom—even the fumes can trigger a severe event for Grant). I had to pull him out, Tom, because the damned place was making him sick on a daily basis. It got to the point that his only “healthy” days were Saturdays and Sundays.

    I’ll agree that the vast majority of “homeschooling” is broken, and that it’s predominantly used as a cover for instilling anti-secular beliefs. But please don’t lump the few good apples into the same bushel-basket as all the bad ones. For the sake of the few, why not consider fixing the problems with homeschooling—maybe by getting it under a proper system of accountability?

    Now then—back to the topic-at-hand….

    The only way to shut down the venomous rants of Drudge, et al is to start hitting them where it hurts the most. Matt drudge has the ability to police what’s posted on his “site”—and no matter how he wants to phrase it, he is solely responsible for the content on his “site.” If CB can edit an offending post by some little uberfascist from TCR, then Matt Drudge can certainly police his own “site,” and remove the noxious sludge from the Drudge. Drudge is in charge, therefore Drudge is responsible.

    Or, just tell me where Matt Drudge and these other surrogate Nazis live—so I can drive a Panzer over their flashy SUVs….

  • Another example of how government/media uses the debate about womens bodys’, to further their own patriachal agenda.

  • Oh, conservatives, what are we going to do with you.

    Sweep them into the dustbin of history?

    And they’re not conservatives. They are “conservatives”.

  • The folks on the right simply respect….nothing. They do not understand simple signs of respect because they do not understand what respect means. They also have no sense or understanding of history, so they are incapable of acquiring any semblance of an understanding of respect. They think only of themselves and their misguided wants and needs. It is no surprise that they religiously follow every breath and word of Bush and Cheney, two clowns who themselves do not know or understand the meaning of respect for others, institutions, history, cultures, etc. etc. etc. and who are only concerned with their own wants and needs.

  • Al B Tross: womens bodys’,

    Ahem. “Womens’ bodies” and no comma.

    Perhaps it was written in haste. Still, it’s pretty far from the mark.

  • call me naive, but i find it a rather nice change that someone in leadership in this country thinks it best to not just run around like a bull in a china shop on the world stage. that someone sends a sign to the Islamic communities in the Middle East that we are not totally ignorant and uncaring about their cultures and tradition. that someone shows a little diplomatic grace and simple common courtesy.

    indeed, one might even argue that showing some symbolic respect for Muslims might, just might, do some small part to defuse the anti-American views on the “Arab Street,” and therefore reduce the inpiration for terrorism, and if repeated often enough by enough people just might make us more secure, and might lessen the anti-Americanism in other countries.

    for that matter, such a willingness to do as the Romans when in Rome would be a fairly good way to lead with humility, as the Bush campaign promised in 2000 when decrying the Clinton-Gore efforts at nation-building.

    but then again i’m pretty naive.

  • When I was eighteen one of the people at the restaurant where I worked decided to test ‘the spaghetti is done when it sticks to the wall’ myth. So he drained the spaghetti and flung the entire potfull against the kitchen wall. I guess he wasn’t really cut out for restaurant work. Oh, there is a metaphor in there somewhere.

  • I threw a Bush 30%er against the wall yesterday, and he didn’t stick. I’ll try again in ’08, but how long will it take before they’re done, for cryin’ out loud?

  • Pelosi should have stood firm as a representative of American culture by NOT wearing that head scarf. And Iraqis should have shown their (American) patriotism and good sense by establishing Jeffersonian democracy and disdaining all that silly Islam stuff. They’ll never get anywhere acting like foreigners!

  • Perhaps we could see more photos of Bush walking hand in hand with his male friends in the Royal Saudi family. Those must simply stun these sophomoric hypocrits into silence.

  • I’ll agree that the vast majority of “homeschooling” is broken, and that it’s predominantly used as a cover for instilling anti-secular beliefs. But please don’t lump the few good apples into the same bushel-basket as all the bad ones. For the sake of the few, why not consider fixing the problems with homeschooling—maybe by getting it under a proper system of accountability?

    Steve: I even personally know a couple of people like you who are providing this kind of quality education. But we both know the majority of people doing this aren’t operating at your level.

  • Oh, BTW – NPR just reported (10am PDT) that the Israelis gave Pelosi an important message for Assad, that they think her visit is important, and that a Republican delegation has preceded her.

    I don’t know how many of us gave them a whack on this this morning (I did), but it appears that “working the ref” can work with them. Particularly when you say “If you don’t start acting like real reporters again, I’m going to stop giving you money.”

  • lotus… fair enough. The reason, class, is that “women” is already plural. “Womens” is therefore not a word to be made possessive by an apostrophe. I stand corrected.

    But it’s the plural apostrophe that really gets my goat.

  • But you know, they don’t care if they’re wrong. Their agenda is simply to bash. To belittle. To encourage people to feel contempt for those they victimize.

    It is a strategy that has worked for bullies since time immemorial.

    It’s not whether you’re right or wrong, it’s how you play the game.

    Because it’s how you play the game that determines whether you win, not whether you’re right or wrong.

    Perception, not truth.

    Unless some other news organization gains so much more credibility with the public that its criticism can turn people away from watching these hacks, they really have nothing to lose by lying.

    Unless the regulatory commission that’s supposed to be regulating them stops acting in a partisan way and starts requiring that news organizations not lie — as I believe is required of commercials — they have nothing to lose by lying.

    Unless people gain standing to sue them for lying — they have nothing to lose by lying.

  • Then let’s do something about that majority, Tom…and I’ll call your NPR coverage on Pelosi, and raise you one CNN story (they’re actually giving Pelosi some positive spin—and it looks like a bit of a smackdown for Herr Bush).

    Someone must’ve tampered with the kool-aid supply lines again….

  • When we visited St. Mark’s in Venice two years ago, women who didn’t have head coverings were made to wear a sort of scarf made of brown crepe paper. Men who wore shorts were provided with skirts made of the same crepe paper. Those wearing horts and no shirt either were turned away entirely or wore a funny outfit comprised of the skirt and a sort of skirt-for-the-upper-torso as well.

    As well traveled as many college kids are today it’s embarrasing to note, by contrast, how parochial many stay-at-home Americans really are. They sure don’t learn much from their 96″ theatre-surround blasto-amp plasma TeeVees, do they?

  • With the destruction of the ozone layer, we should all be wearing scarves.

    What irritates the right wingnuts is that Pelosi is doing Bush’s job so much better than he does it.

  • Ed Stephan, @33

    I don’t know whether tourists have become more larcenous recently or whether the standards of hygene are different… 🙂

    40yrs ago, when my Mother and I visited Vatican,, we were both turned away at the door. I, because I was wearing trousers (full length, not shorts); she, because her dress was sleeveless and she was bareheaded. She was not a problem, they explained and pointed to a bin full of scarves (fabric, not disposable paper); two of those — one over the shoulders and one over the head — would take care of things nicely. But trousers… on a female… I ended up trading the lower gear with a schoolfriend who was spending the summer with her grandparents and who was our guide in Rome.

    When you enter someone else’s house, you abide by the householder’s rules, not your own. It’s the most basic courtesy.

  • Ed Stephan – I remember a number of years ago where my sisters were turned away from entering an Italian cathedral for having their shoulders uncovered in the heat of August.

    Why doesn’t any Republican remember that you can get thrown out of a right wing place of worship (a Bush speech) simply for having a “no blood for oil” bumpersticker on your vehicle or for wearing a T-shirt deemed threatening? It’s all a matter of respect for religious culture.

    Respect is accorded when respect is given. By constantly pulling a Cheney and telling the rest of the world to go “F” itself, the world will say the same to us. Of course that’s why the right wing gets so little respect, except from its own echo chamber.

  • Ahem. Speaker Pelosi is Catholic, I believe, and a scarf is (or used to be) required of women there, too, I know it still is in many Catholic churches here.

  • quote

    The interview took place at the Ayatullah’s residence in the holy city of Qum and lasted, in all, for about three hours. As a sign of respect for Khomeini, Fallaci decided to wear a chador, the traditional floor-length black veil worn by Muslim women in Iran. “I don’t wear blue jeans to interview the Pope,” she explained. As it happened, the chador produced the most dramatic moment of the interview. In the midst of several questions about the role of women in an Islamic society, Fallaci charged that the chador was symbolic of the segregation into which women have been cast by the revolution. “They have to take a dip apart in their chadors,” she said. “By the way how do you swim in a chador?” “Our customs are none of your business,” Khomeini answered. “If you do not like Islamic dress, you’re not obliged to wear it because Islamic dress is for good and proper young women.”

    “That’s very kind of you,” said Fallaci. And since you said so, I’m going to take off this stupid, medieval rag right now.” When she did so, recounts Fallaci, Khomeini got up “like a young cat” and left the room without saying a word. Khomeini, however, agreed to see her again the next day.

    end quote

    Time

    Pelosi said or implied her trip was progress for women. However, in fact, women in many Middle East countries did not wear head scarves in the 1960’s to the same extent as now. We and they are going backwards.

  • If you want to know what a real conservative thinks, try me if you want honest discussion. The stereotypes here are just that with some bordering on bigoted intolerance.

    For starters, I do not have one conservative friend who claims Bush and his administration as conservative. Actually, he is revealing himself to be quite the liberal in the Clinton sense.

    Now onto my main point: it is the liberal hypocrisy regarding tolerance and feminism that is the problem with Pelosi covering her head. I thought Pelosi was the embodiment of the feminist ideal. Yet, she goes to an islamofascists state and submits to a system that is rife with the abuse and subjugation of women. Why didn’t the great liberal leader and feminist ideal confront the abuse and subjugation of women? Where is all the feminist outrage about the abuse of women in islamic nations?

    BTW, it is not conservatives who are proclaiming feminism. It is the liberals. Conservatives actually view that men and women are different, shock, gasp. Generally, conservatives see men and women as having different traits. Feminists are the ones complaining about “equality.” Yet, Pelosi, that powerful women, went right to submitting power to men when she went abroad. That is why it is liberalism that is hypocritical.

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