Craig’s conundrum — Day Five

CNN is reporting this morning, “Several well-placed GOP sources in Washington and Idaho have told CNN that embattled Republican Sen. Larry Craig is likely to resign soon, possibly as early as Friday. A GOP source with knowledge of the situation told CNN’s Dana Bash that the Republican National Committee was poised to take the extraordinary step of calling on Craig to resign.”

It looks like the audio recording of the police interview at the Minneapolis-St. Paul International Airport didn’t help matters. Craig (R-Idaho) is heard alluding to what he perceived as “entrapment.”

LC: I don’t, ah, I am not gay, I don’t do these kinds of things and…

DK: It doesn’t matter, I don’t care about sexual preference or anything like that. Here’s your stuff back sir. Urn, I don’t care about sexual preference.

LC: I know you don’t. You’re out to enforce the law.

DK: Right.

LC: But you shouldn’t be out to entrap people either.

What an odd thing to say. “Entrapment”? If the officer told Craig, “You know, if you’re interested in gay bathroom sex, go into the stall, rub the foot of the guy next you, and reach under the partition,” and then Craig did those things, that would be entrapment. None of that happened, of course. The officer, Dave Karsnia, didn’t encourage Craig at all.

In fact, “entrapment,” if Craig knows what it means, is almost an admission, isn’t it? One can certainly make a reasonable argument that what Craig did was legal, and the arrest in this situation was entirely unwarranted, but to say he was entrapped is to suggest he was tricked by the police into pursuing the guy in the next stall.

It’s not the kind of thing that will help Craig’s case, at least as far as the politics goes. In fact, Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ken.) turned up the heat a bit yesterday afternoon, calling Craig’s conduct “unforgivable.”

The Washington Times highlighted the political climate.

Sen. Larry E. Craig was free-falling in Idaho opinion polls and getting excoriated on talk-radio shows as the state’s largest paper yesterday called for his resignation over a sex scandal.

“He’s in trouble,” said an Idaho Republican Party official. “There is zero interest in his running for re-election and [Mr. Craig’s previous supporters] want this over with now.”

Elected officials and political aides in Idaho saw similarly grim prospects for the state’s long-serving and well-liked Republican senator, who pleaded guilty last week to a misdemeanor disorderly conduct charge associated with soliciting homosexual sex in a Minneapolis airport bathroom.

“Idahoans are sad and in shock. They are staying respectfully silent,” said a Republican political aide, who, like others close to Mr. Craig, did not want to be named discussing the senator’s downfall.

“He’s been here forever and people have benefited from his service,” the aide said. “But they are saying, ‘This has to come to an end. [Mr. Craig], you need to resign.’ “

Moreover, several readers have asked me about whether a Democratic candidate could make a serious run for this seat next year, and if there’s a credible Dem in the mix. Idaho is as “red” a state as you’ll find, but Larry LaRocco, a former two-term congressman from Idaho, is gearing up for a competitive campaign. He had a strong piece in the Huffington Post yesterday.

I have [a] job that will last from now until Election Day — and that’s to tell everyone that the conventional wisdom about Idaho is wrong. Yes, the ultra-conservatives have been dominant here for more than a decade. But it wasn’t that long ago — in the early 1990s, in fact — that Idaho elected Democrats on a regular basis. I was one of them. And although Idaho narrowly missed sending another Democrat to Congress last year, the state’s voters did elect six new Democratic state legislators (including one in Idaho Falls, which had not elected a Democrat for decades) and came very close in three state senate races. The pendulum is swinging here, too, like in Montana and Colorado.

I entered this race not knowing who my Republican opponent would be. I still don’t know. But I don’t care. I wake up every day believing in myself and working hard — because I know now that’s what families across Idaho and across our nation do, day after day. People want integrity and accountability. People want a new direction. Most of all, people want results.

Stay tuned.

Let the purge begin???This whole thing is pitiful distraction from the imploding of Iraq and the impending bombing of Iran

  • Jeez, I’m starting to feel sorry for Craig. The response seems so disproportionate to his misbehavior. As far as entrapment, do we know what kind of (even subconscious) signals the cop gave Craig? I’m glad he’s a Republican.

    “Idahoans are sad and in shock. They are staying respectfully silent,” said a Republican political aide, who, like others close to Mr. Craig, did not want to be named discussing the senator’s downfall.

    Respectfully silent or just unwilling to be named?

    The good thing about all this is that both aspects of Republican hypocrisy are battling each other. Craig thought he had found kismet in that bathroom but it just turned out to be karma.

  • Sounds like the Republicans in Idaho don’t care about “results”, they care if their senator is gay or not.

    That said, I will send Mr LaRocco some cash, because the GOP needs to sweat in the reddest states too, and the more we make them sweat the thinner they’ll spread themselves and the more mistakes they’ll make. Whoever the Republican is that replaces Craig, they need to dig up the pictures of him and Craig and use those pictures to infuse him with Craig’s odor.

    Make ’em sweat.

  • None of that happened, of course. The officer, Dave Karsnia, didn’t encourage Craig at all.

    Now you don’t have any way of knowing that, Steve. All we have is the police report, and plainly the cop isn’t going to put anything in it that smacks of entrapment. But entrapment has long been a part of the cops’ forays into bathooms to round up gay men, so there’s no reason to necessarily give Karsnia the benefit of the doubt here.

    Of course, Craig can’t tell us if he was entrapped, because as you point out an entrapment defense is completely inconsistent with a denial that you did anything. But let’s not be naive here about what cops do.

  • “I don’t, ah, I’m not gay, and, uh, I mean I didn’t, ah, you know, try to get some”

    Another “conservative” shnook down for the count. It’s a banner year for schadenfreude, I must say. It may be undignified, but I don’t have the words to express just how happy I am when one of these reichwing clowns, be it Craig, Gonzales, Libby, Delay, Rumsfeld, Stevens, or any of the B-list assholes flames out in public and is literally forced to walk the plank once and for all. It makes the day better, it makes the world a better place when conservative trash is taken out and dumped into the landfill of Republiturd malfeasance.

    Score one for the good guys.

  • Good. Now, let’s just get this terrible, shameful, hypocritical, unforgivable Republican Senator Larry E. Craig out of the way and then we’ll have the perfect, squeaky-clean, moral, upright Republican party that everyone wants to vote for. Sounds perfect to me.

  • My favorite thing about the tapes was the defense he gave about he was only reaching over to pickup some paper on the ground. I don’t care who you are; you don’t pick up scraps of paper on the floor of a Men’s bathroom.

  • I don’t do these kinds of things and…

    If he had said “those” instead of “these” he might have a case. Using “these” is an admission of guilt, assigning ownership to the action rather than seperating the action (“those”) from himself.

    In any case, chalk up another hypocritical Republican’t and let’s move on. I agree with susan g, it’s become a distraction from the important issues.

  • This is amazing to me. The Republicans have gone into a feeding frenzy on poor, sad Larry Craig. I agree with Dale – the reaction seems far out of proportion to what Craig did – a bit of foot-tapping and finger-wiggling. It’s hard for me to feel sorry for a Republican “family-values-sanctity-of-marriage” hypocrite, but I actually feel sorry for Craig.

    At first I thought that this was mostly Republican politics, but I’m starting to think it’s being driven by Republican homophobia. The only other thing that would make sense is that Craig was widely disliked to begin with, so now all his “friends” are piling on, but I haven’t seen any indication of that.

    Homophobia would also explain why the Republicans have given David Vitter a pass on his fun-and-games with prostitutes – more of a “yuck” factor with me than Craig’s playing footsie in the bathroom.

  • In the recording of Craig’s statements with the officer, he grabbed the officer’s assurance that if he pled guilty there would be no trial, just a fine, and no publicity. Since Craig didn’t mention the arrest or his pleading guilty to anyone, it seems he thought that it would all magically disappear as though it hadn’t happened.

    Well, he pled guilty to breaking the law. I don’t see how he can plead not guilty now.

    Well, maybe this fiasco will turn Idaho from a red to a blue state. The family values thing is probably what caused Idaho to go Republican, and it’s tragically apparent that many legislators who led the “family values” fight have real problems that cause them to violate those family values.

    Everybody would be better off living their own family values privately and stop trying to get them into a political structure.

  • Well, this whole fiasco has been enlightening. I didn’t know bending over to pick up a scrap of paper off the floor of a men’s room meant so much! My eleven yr-old told me that he doesn’t need sex education at school, the nightly news does the job. Good grief. I suppose this whole thing serves the hypocrit right, but I, too, feel sorry for him…a little.

  • The thing I love about this is that the GOP convention is going to be held in Minneapolis. The Republicans are going to have to use that exact airport bathroom when they fly in. That should boost party morale. HA!

  • he grabbed the officer’s assurance

    I know if someone grabbed my assurance in a men’s room, I’d be upset.

  • I can’t believe the support he’s getting here. I like to think that I have empathy, but lets not fool ourselves here: Larry Craig is not a lost puppy. He’s a ‘family values’ thug trolling for sex in restrooms. My empathy has limits and is reserved for those more deserving.

  • 12. On August 31st, 2007 at 10:46 am, Haik Bedrosian said:
    The thing I love about this is that the GOP convention is going to be held in Minneapolis. The Republicans are going to have to use that exact airport bathroom when they fly in. That should boost party morale. HA!

    Someone should organize an impromptu demonstration near the lavatories in the airport. The possibilities are endless, but a “GOP Lavatory Hand Signal Guide” comes to mind.

  • The Republican Party is Getting What They Asked For…. and, of course, Deserve

    The Rovian political strategy has been to beat the bushes of the extreme right wing moralists for the votes that will put them in office. Thus their candidates have been forced to play into the fear mongering; the Gay Agenda, children and families threatened with extinction by ‘The Liberals,’ Special Rights, thinly veiled racism (the blacks are gonna take our white women), teaching our children to have indiscriminate sex…. and then forcing them to have abortions…. It goes on and on. The morality issues are endless.

    Candidates are forced to adopt these issues as their own moral and political stands. Even though few really believe in these positions. It is their route to political power. It is NOT public service or statesmanship!

    Idahoans deserve (as do we all) elected officials who are competent, ethical, honest, intelligent LEADERS. Senator Craig falls far short on all counts.

    Craig is a liar, a deceiver and a hypocrite. Hypocrisy IS lying. Preaching one thing and living another. Craig lied to himself, his wife and family, his Senate colleagues, his party, and his constituents. He has violated both his oath of service and his marital vows. He committed ADULTERY by having sex in the rest room at Union Station in Washington. And he lied in his public statement regarding his activity in the Minneapolis airport; SOLICITATION for sex in a public place IS a criminal act. Craig said he did nothing wrong.

    Perhaps Craig was entrapped in Minneapolis. In my opinion a young, attractive police officer set up in a rest room stall laying in wait for the next target, is entrapment. But Craig showed his ignorance and lack of intelligence. Bloggers who have said that Craig was thoroughly familiar with the Tea Room cruising techniques are thoroughly wrong. Craig certainly knew the ‘come on’ signals…. but was totally ignorant of (or ignored) the ‘response’ signals (or in the case the lack of response signals). His insistent attempts to engage the officer without receiving the appropriate, agreeable, response got him into trouble, and arrested.

    Compounding and reinforcing his lack of intelligence, after his arrest he engaged the officer in a debate and further implicated/incriminated himself. He couldn’t keep his mouth shut and get a lawyer. That failure was arrogance as much as embarrassment. He should have called Foley’s attorney in Florida. He immediately and effectively removed Foley from public contact and contact with police investigators. Craig went even further in hanging himself by promptly holding a public press conference (with poor Suzanne Craig in tow) to humiliate himself again.

    But Idaho voters got what they asked for. They allowed themselves to be stampeded into voting for a false, emotional political dogma rather than seeking out and learning what truth and honesty looks like.

  • I have to count myself among the sympathetic here. As someone raised under the heavy hand of religious fundamentalism and sexual repression, I understand the kind of shame that is inextricably linked to this subject. I feel shame and embarrassment for Mr. Craig and I cannot imagine the shame he must be feeling now.

    As for his choice (irony anyone?) to dedicate himself to a career based on the self-righteous discrimination of those who are different, remember that there’s probably an element of self-loathing to this too. Just as some gay men turn to a life in the clergy in a vain attempt to escape who they are, I don’t imagine it’s a stretch to think that this man’s political leanings are a product of the same shame and denial.

    He was an innocent child when this guilt and shame was hung around his neck by his parents, the church, the law and his peers. In some selfish ways, I’m glad this happened. In other ways, I fear that this human being might not be able to handle all this shame at once, combined with the destruction of his professional life and possibly, his family. People have been driven to blow their brains out for far less than this. I don’t want the guilt of having taken that lightly to be hung around my neck should that occur here.

    As repulsed as I might be at the thought of a man seeking sexual gratification in a men’s bathroom, I’m more repulsed by the legislation of narrow definitions of sexual morality, and that there are law-enforcement officials egging people on and wasting the people’s money to satisfy those who need to demonize others for their sexual orientation.

  • Come on folks, lets get real and look at the facts:

    1. A guy is arrested for soliciting a plain clothes officer for sex in a public restroom
    2. The guy knows enough about whats going down to think he is being “entrapped” (read the transcript).
    3. The guy contradicts what the officer states he observed, and even changes his story along the way
    4. This particular guy happens to be a senator gives his card to the officer in what appears to be an attempt to influence the outcome
    5. The senator then smears gay people by equating being gay with what he is accused of (lewd conduct). (Yes straight people — or people who identify as straight — have been known to be lewd).
    6. The senator thinks all of this is OK, and forgivable, and that he is being smeared by a newspaper. (Note: I doubt the arresting officer knew about the newspapers alleged smear campaign)

    This Senator should resign. Not for what he did or didnt do. Because he cannot tell the truth to himself, to his wife and kids, to the arresting officer, and to the people of his state. And if he cannot tell the truth, he is not fit to be a senator. Plain and simple.

    Shame on him.

  • It seems that this is only one of many disturbing events in the never ending cycle of repugnant acts by United States politicians….what may we expect next?
    I shudder at the thought!!!!!!!!

    Rob F

  • Just some comments about a couple of responses.

    First, Jake Shipp says “…a young, attractive police officer set up in a rest room stall laying in wait for the next target, is entrapment.” I don’t know about other people, but when I approach bathroom stalls with doors already closed, shoes visible at the bottom, I have no idea who is behind them, because I can’t see through metal. I know it’s already occupied, so I move on. How would anyone know the occupant is young and attractive unless they peered (peeped?) through the crack between wall and door, and for long enough to determine age and attractiveness?

    Second, JTK has sympathy for Craig, partly because “[h]e was an innocent child when this guilt and shame [of being gay] was hung around his neck by his parents, the church, the law and his
    peers.” I can sympathize only to a certain extent. I learned, was inculcated with, lots of things as a child, but I got to an age where I had to start thinking for myself, and owning the values I wanted to live my life with. Hating who I am because other people hated me was never an option.

  • We’re coming to the endgame on this, and Craig will resign shortly. I have limited sympathy given his willingness to build a political career on antigay bigotry, especially given his firsthand knowledge of same-sex desire.

    I think we should be well past doubting that Craig was soliciting a sexual encounter. The “picking up a piece of paper on the floor” excuse is not at all credible, as Jason Coslow notes. The signals Craig made are, by design, meant to be unobtrusive but unambiguous. I do think it’d be better for police doing these arrests to wait for something a little more definitive before moving in, but I don’t see Craig as being entrapped.

    One point that occurs to me comes from reading a bit over at what used to be Gilliard’s blog, where they were talking about the sorts of things citizens should do in encounters with police in order to claim their constitutional rights, when police practices are designed to make you forfeit them without realizing it. If Craig had been a bit more knowledgeable, he could have made it much harder for the arresting officer to build a case. But as a loyal right-winger, he hasn’t made himself familiar with the ACLU literature that could have helped him. Hoist on his own petard.

  • If Larry LaRocco needs a campaign theme, I’d suggest “Cleaning Up Washington, one republican at time.”

    When the Republicans arrive for their convention, that restroom really needs to have a plaque saying “The Larry Craig Memorial Toilet”.

    I’ll be sad to see Larry resign – he makes a lovely target of convenience, and I really admire senators who can take a wide stance on the issues. ( Maybe we should talk of the GOP as the “The Big Closet, Wide Stance Party.”)

    Still, Gonzales and Bush should be really grateful to Craig for distracting national attention. Who’d have thought that the next blond would have been 6 ft and balding? Maybe White House personnel could all chip in and get him a weekend with Guckert-Gannon.

  • “Entrapment”?

    In a manner of speaking. If the cop hadn’t been a cop, the normal response would’ve been “Not interested, sorry,” or “Get your foot the hell out of my stall,” and no crime would’ve been committed. This is a case where a crime might’ve been committed if the guy in the next stall had been willing to abet Sen. Craig in his “disorderly conduct.”

    JTK: “As repulsed as I might be at the thought of a man seeking sexual gratification in a men’s bathroom…”

    I’m repulsed by what ordinarily goes on in bathrooms, yet I keep going there. It’s like a habit. I try to stop, but the urge keeps building….

  • It still is a form of entrapment, though, don’t you think? Isn’t there some word to describe this? Because you’re right, it’s not like a cop offering a bribe or inciting a hate group to violence. But the cop wasn’t in the bathroom stall simply minding his own business, as I understand it, he was there to catch gay men. It was a sting. The cops planted temptation in a likely location, instead of responding to a call of a “crime” taking place in that location.

    I’m not saying that I think this is a bad idea (where something like an actual crime is involved), but their is, indeed, an entrapment aspect to it.

  • Catherine,

    If it is unlawful to solicit sex in public restrooms, the officer was not guilty of entrapment, and in fact he was there because of complaints that this restroom was a site of homosexual solicitation and activities.

    Entrapment requires that a police officer urges an individual to do something illegal. That didn’t happen in this case — the officer did not initiate any contact with Craig.

    If a police officer hides in the bushes in hopes of catching a peeping tom that people have complained about in an area, that isn’t entrapment. If police officers receive complaints that drugs are being dealt on a street corner and they stake it out to catch the perpetrators, that isn’t entrapment. Neither was this.

  • If you bait a wolf-trap with a bale of hay, you won’t catch yourself a wolf — a goat, maybe, but not a wolf. A wolf won’t be interested, because hay is not his usual fare. In the same way, it’s not possible to entrap someone into homosexual behaviour if it’s not something that person is already interested in.

    All the same… I think this whole hoo-hah is much ado about nothing. It’s not as if Craig actually *did* something either lewd or even disorderly. If Repubs weren’t so sex-obsessed and so homophobic, this would have been a non-story. I do believe Craig was interested — his excuses were simply too lame to be belived -but, really… Since when is foot-tapping and hand-wiggling is considered a disorderly (much less lewd) behaviour?

    I do feel a bit sorry for the old dimwit.

  • Re: libra @ #28

    Would you consider someone encroaching into your personal space in a public restroom lewd? How about touching your foot? How about reaching their hand under the partition and flashing you the middle finger (maybe that’s the real “signal”)?

    Personally, I think of these acts as being lewd in a public restroom.

    Of course, there is a lot of activity in men’s rooms that could be construed as lewd, just without a homosexual connotation. But I think that a person’s personal space is a civil right. And when you’re in a bathroom stall, you deserve your privacy and to be free from harrasment or hand or foot signals and actual touching. Don’t you?

  • JKap,

    Would you consider someone encroaching into your personal space in a public restroom lewd?

    Don’t forget the part where he was looking into the stalls for his prey. This guy is just creepy and I am appalled that some have the gall to defend a law breaking hypocrite who expects his elected position to exonerate him. Shameful.

  • …but a “GOP Lavatory Hand Signal Guide” comes to mind.

    Now that’s really funny! After the GOPs stupid (and insulting) purple heart bandages of 2004, I really really hope someone does this.

  • “One can certainly make a reasonable argument that what Craig did was legal…”

    No one cannot.

    According to the police report Craig peered into the bathroom stall through the crack between the door and the stall frame on and off for two to three minutes — long enough and close enough to the door for the police officer to determine his eye color.

    Under Minnesota law, it’s a crime to intentionally look into a place where someone is likely to be undressed, including private homes, health club locker rooms, tanning salons, and the bathroom stalls of public restrooms. Even if Craig’s other actions were subject to more than one interpretation, looking into the occupied stall was enough to warrant arresting him.

  • I agree – this behavior is just odd. Is the signals – rubbing foot, hand under stall – common gestures for sex? It could mean – anyone in there, hey I need some toilet paper? I’ve reached under the stall once or twice to my mom for toilet paper. I’ve never heard of these signals before. Are they common gestures in the gay community?

    It’s extremely disproportionate to say someone is vile for just doing the things Craig did compared to admitting to illegally having sex many times with prostitutes like Vitter. The homophobic scale is too much for Republicans and I think rational people can see this. In the 10 Commandments that the Republican Right seem to feel guides them, it does say “You shall not commit adultery.” Does that matter if it’s with a man or a woman? So technically, what Vitter did was worse – he actively paid for his actions.

    But then again it says “You shall not bear false witness against your neighbour.” which they do quite repeatedly.

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