Dems are not ‘charging forward’ to Pakistan

The extent to which Barack Obama’s comments about Pakistan have been twisted beyond recognition continues to astound me. The problem is not just that American voters are gong to be confused by the errors, but also that an international audience will be misled.

This truly bizarre piece, for example, ran in the Pakistani press.

United States Presidential Candidate and Senator Barack Obama’s speech on August 1, 2007 at the Wilson Center, a think tank in Washington D.C., confirmed what many feared: the Democrats will continue, unabated, a war on terror that bears exact resemblance to the one waged by President Bush. The only difference: it’s going to happen in Pakistan instead of Iraq. As president, Obama’s first step will be “getting off the wrong battlefield in Iraq, and taking the fight to the terrorists in Afghanistan and Pakistan.” So watch out Pakistan, it appears the Democrats are as war savvy as the Republicans. […]

[W]hat is going on? Why are the Democrats so gleefully chomping at war’s bit? And if mimicking Republicans is en vogue, what will stop Democrats from mirroring comments by Republican Congressman Tom Tancredo, for example, who asserted, the same week Obama pointed towards Pakistan, that bombing holy Muslim sites will deter Islamic fundamentalists from attacks on the U.S.? Fortunately the U.S. State Department quickly criticized Tancredo’s comments as reprehensible, but the new standard for irrationality was set and will soon, no doubt, be followed perhaps by a Democrat.

What on earth is this person talking about? I know Obama’s speech was a little long, and so perhaps it’s intimidating to a casual observer, but did it ever occur to the political world that perhaps writers should read his speech before telling a Pakistani audience that Obama wants to launch an invasion?

Obama explained, in some detail, his intention to support Musharraf’s government. Under specific circumstances, Obama would want to target terrorists in largely-uncontrolled mountainous regions of Pakistan. In no way could this be reasonably described as having an “exact resemblance” to Bush’s war policy. The comparison is absurd.

And what’s to stop Dems from “mirroring” Tancredo’s lunacy? I don’t know, maybe a dash of sanity?

A handful of U.S. reporters are equally confused. MSNBC had this fact-checking piece after last night’s debate. (via The Daily Background)

The biggest point of contention in the debate last night came stemmed from an argument Obama made recently — the idea that he would take action against Al-Qaeda in Pakistan, if that country’s leadership won’t act. Several candidates criticized Obama on that point… and the fiercest exchange was over what Obama said in his recent speech.

Dodd: “If you’re making a mistake today, you ought to stand up and say so. It was a mistake in my view to suggest somehow that going in unilaterally here, into Pakistan, was somehow in our interest.” Obama replied: “I did not say that we would immediately go in unilaterally. What I said was that we have to work with Musharraf”

So, who is telling the truth? Judge for yourself. Here is what Obama said last week: “It was a terrible mistake to fail to act when we had a chance to take out an al Qaeda leadership meeting in 2005. If we have actionable intelligence about high-value terrorist targets and President Musharraf will not act, we will.”

Dodd was correct about what Obama said… Obama did not say he would work with Musharraf.

Wrong. I love the fact that MSNBC does fact-checking for the debate, but someone needs to fact-check their fact-checking. Actually, Obama did say he would work with Musharraf. It’s in the speech that people have criticized without reading. Obama said:

If we have actionable intelligence about high-value terrorist targets and President Musharraf won’t act, we will.

And Pakistan needs more than F-16s to combat extremism. As the Pakistani government increases investment in secular education to counter radical madrasas, my Administration will increase America’s commitment. We must help Pakistan invest in the provinces along the Afghan border, so that the extremists’ program of hate is met with one of hope.

It’s as if there’s some kind of block out there, preventing people from reading beyond the controversial sentence to see what comes after.

And now Pakistanis are being told that Democrats want to invade their country. It’s like living in a Twilight Zone episode.

steve-

please, please, please tell david shuster he screwed up. he should correct the record..

  • I don’t know – I think there’s a difference between helping Pakistan invest in the provinces and “working with” Musharref on going after high-value terrorist targets, but maybe I’m not reading that correctly. And it seems like that assistance is conditional on Pakistan pushing secular education,

    So, it would seem to me that while Obama is offering aid and assistance, on a somehwat conditional basis, he is also saying that if we have the info and we’re not getting the cooperation, he – Obama – would act anyway.

    Or am I missing something?

  • “This truly bizarre piece, for example, ran in the Pakistani press.”

    looks like they’ve been taking lessons from the press in our country.

  • And what’s to stop Dems from “mirroring” Tancredo’s lunacy? I don’t know, maybe a dash of sanity?

    LOL! I love stupid rhetorical devices like that.

    What is to stop Pakistani journalists from mirroring the devil, Adolf Hitler, and Paris Hilton???

  • Thank you, Steve. This is EXACTLY the passage I was referring to in an earlier comment today.

    But let me fact-check the fact-checker’s fact-checker: Error by omission – Are you sure that is the “Pakistani Press?”. The author is a Michael Shank from GMU in Virginia.

  • Why Obama felt it necessary to make such a strong statement in the first place is to show that he too can be tough on terrorism. I can imagine those words coming out of Bush’s mouth. I don’t like to see Obama attacked but he should not have tried to defend that statement by saying I said “this” later on in the speech. He should have just came right out and said I apologize if people are taking it this way because what I was and am saying(and do say later in the same speech) is that we will work with Musharaf to help him accomplish these goals if he is unable to do it without assistance.

    But let’s face it, Obama was trying to act tough, like some sort of Bush competitor. His speech got mis-represented sure, but he meant it to say if you won’t do it we will loudly and softly add of course with your help and involvement. After Bush the entire world is suspicious and paranoid of any aggressive rhetoric. We’ve heard all the tough talk we will ever need to hear. I hope the candidates will quit talking about who they plan to kill next and how they plan to do it as if they were at a lynch mob rally. We get the picture.

    Whoever wrote the Pakistanian piece is writing pure propaganda and needs to be rebuked for twisting some facts into a pack of lies. How come this hit piece on Democrats didn’t mention how unlike Bush they are. Which Murdock hit team got that article printed?

  • Imagine that. A candidate wants to go after the actual terrorist that attacked us and he’s getting torn apart for it. This country is batshit crazy.

  • Which Murdock hit team got that article printed?

    Some white dude in Arlington Virginia named Mike Stark…

  • The only difference: it’s going to happen in Pakistan instead of Iraq.

    NIMBY!

    Really, when people are this stupid what can you say?

    Of course it seems to be a big no-no to refer to the fact that:

    1. Osama bin Laden is in Pakistan (But ya are in the chair Blanche!)
    2. He’s there because he was allowed to escape to Pakistan.
    3. Mushraf is too busy trying to stay in power.
    4. It would be entirely possible nab him without anyone knowing about it.

  • what obama said about pakistan is not similar to pres bush’s war policy but that does not mean he should advocate invading a sovereign nation..what happened to his promise to utilize diplomacy and talks to make things happen..? war is not the answer and it will NEVER be..just look at iraq if u need proof

    bhumika
    politics desk,the newsroom

  • “What on earth is this person talking about?”

    I would bet that this article is part of the Pentagon’s plan to flood the middle east with psy/ops type articles–wasn’t there some noise made a year or two ago on how the Pentagon was going to step up this sort of thing? While they are at it, seeing everything is politicized in this administration, why not throw in a few political articles as well. Wouldn’t doubt Mr. Shank has some connections with Defense.

  • I’m totally with Anne (#2) on this. Obama clearly says: “I’ll work with Musharraf on other things — maybe — but if he won’t act against high-value terrorist targets, then I will, unilaterally.” There’s no hint of working together when it comes to high-value terrorist targets.

  • Obama, trying to look tough, says he will not respect the borders of an ally, an unstable, militarized one at that. You can argue magical cases defending him, but it was a stone dumb thing to say in public, from a callow, if normally eloquent, politician just a couple years removed from Springfield, IL.

    No wonder Mrs. Clinton’s ratings just jogged up a few notches.

  • The meaning of a communication is the response it receives. — NLP theory.

    It’s like a bird : if you let it go free don’t expect to be able to control where it flies. A politician should know that. Obama said what he said, the media picked up on it the way they do, and heads have been batting it around ever since. So what? That’s politics.

    As analysts, what’s interesting is how far Obama foresaw the effect his statement would have, and how well he is capable of exploiting it. Once it’s out there you can’t grab it back and it’s silly to try. When the words leave your mouth they’re no longer yours. You have to accept that. A competent candidate must know how to express his vision and ideas effectively, and live with the consequences.

    The issue is an interesting one and it’s given Obama huge headline prominence. — All publicity is good publicity, when you’re in this game. If you’re squeamish about it, well.. then you’re not up to it.

    The actual debate about the policy, and it’s uptake and impact, is another issue. The real terrorists — not the bogeymen for political effect — are simply criminals. One of the many mistakes the Bush gang made was to elevate them to national status and so inadvertently give them quasi-sovereign protection as combatants in a “global War”. Obama effectively re-designates them as the criminals they are. Whether a unilateral hunting expedition through independent nation states is a legitimate policy is doubtful. However, as a piece of campaigning pyrotechnics within the American electoral system it could have something going for it if its instigator knows how to follow through.

  • “I understand that President Musharraf has his own challenges. But let me make this clear. There are terrorists holed up in those mountains who murdered 3,000 Americans. They are plotting to strike again. It was a terrible mistake to fail to act when we had a chance to take out an al Qaeda leadership meeting in 2005. If we have actionable intelligence about high-value terrorist targets and President Musharraf won’t act, we will.”

    True enough. But if he had left that paragraph out, it still would have been a great speech.

  • That speech was longer than ten seconds.
    What was Obama THINKING?
    Nightly news can’t handle “context” or “nuance”!
    Sound bites man! Sound bites only!
    “They lose, we win!”
    “Bring it on!”
    Got it?

  • Read a similar and expanded argument which contends that Obama made an astute political calculation with regards to Pakistan…a calculation that anticipates how voters might react to a terrorist attack on U.S. soil…planned by al Qaeda in Pakistan…here:

    http://www.thoughttheater.com

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