Dems eye McCain nomination, prepare for national security debate

There weren’t really any specific questions about electability in last night’s Democratic debate, but John Edwards broached the subject and made an interesting prediction: “[I]t’s becoming increasingly likely, I think, that John McCain is going to be the Republican candidate.”

Now, my hunch is that Edwards is right, though I’m still hoping against hope that Mitt Romney, who happens to enjoy a sizable lead in the delegate count, can persevere.

Regardless, Edwards’ observation actually generated some interesting discussion on what a race against McCain would look like. Edwards, initially, kept things pretty generic, saying he’s best positioned for a 50-state strategy, competing in both urban and rural areas.

Hillary Clinton, to her credit, hammered home a key point.

“If John is right and Senator McCain is the Republican nominee, we know that once again we will have a general election about national security. That is what will happen.

“I believe of any one of us, I am better positioned and better able to take on John McCain or any Republican when it comes to issues about protecting and defending our country and promoting our interest in the world. And if it is indeed the classic Republican campaign, I’ve been there. I’ve done that.”

She was a little short on details — Clinton asserted she’s stronger on national security issues, but didn’t say why — but I think the larger point is right. If McCain’s the nominee, the Dems obviously have to be prepared for a campaign that emphasizes the military, foreign policy, and national security.

I was encouraged to see that the Democratic field has at least been thinking in this direction.

OBAMA: Let me just interject on this…. What I want to really focus on is this issue of national security, because I think you’ve repeated this a number of times. You are the person best prepared on national security issues on day one, and so if you’re running against John McCain, that you can go toe-to-toe.

I fundamentally disagree with that. And I want to tell you why, because I believe that the way we are going to take on somebody like a John McCain on national security is not that we’re sort of — we’ve been sort of like John McCain, but not completely, you know, we voted for the war, but we had reservations.

I think it’s going to be somebody who can serve a strong contrast and say, “We’ve got to overcome the politics of fear in this country.” As commander-in-chief, all of us would have a responsibility to keep the American people safe. That’s our first responsibility. And I would not hesitate to strike against anybody who would do Americans or American interests’ harm.

But what I do believe … is that we have to describe a new foreign policy that says, for example, I will meet not just with our friends, but with our enemies, because I remember what John F. Kennedy said, that we should never negotiate out of fear, but we should never fear to negotiate.

Having that kind of posture is the way I think we effectively debate the Republicans on this issue. Because if we just play into the same fear-mongering that they have been engaged in since 9/11, then we are playing on their battlefield, but, more importantly, we are not doing what’s right in order to rebuild our alliances, repair our relationships around the world, and actually make us more safe in the long term.

EDWARDS: And it requires that — wait, wait. Both of them talked about it. You’ve got to let me say a word. What it requires is having something beyond a short- term foreign policy of convenience. I mean, Bush has done extraordinary damage to us.

But if we have a visionary foreign policy, where we re- establish America as a moral leader in the world, where we do the things that we need to do to combat global poverty, to deal with the spread of HIV/AIDS, the spread of disease at large, economic development, what it does is it takes an entire generation of young people who are sitting on the fence as I speak and on one side is Al Qaeda and Bin Laden, Islamic jihad, and on the other side is the United States of America, which way do they go?

That depends entirely on us. If they continue to see this foreign policy of belligerence, selfishness, only interested in the expansion of American power, we will drive them in the other direction. If, on the other hand, they see America as the light, the source of hope and opportunity, it will pull them to us like a magnet. We need to be that light again.

I don’t have anything especially insightful to add to this; I just thought it was encouraging to see that these candidates aren’t planning to duck national security and change the focus to issues like the economy and healthcare, but instead have clear ideas about how to debate these issues.

It was one of the night’s more heartening moments.

If national security becomes the dominant theme in the election, someone (a Democrat?) needs to point out that you can’t defend America with a gutted military and empty rifles. You can’t defend America when its economy is in the shambles left by the fiscal irresponsibility of the Bush Administration.

And then we’re back to the economy, Stupid.

  • I have to disagree that one of the people responsible for the Iraq war, which has done nothing but make us less secure, and who supported the Patriot Act is in any way qualified to make the nation secure and preserve our rights in the process, but even if I concede that point to Senator Clinton, what makes her think she can win against the Maverick?

    Since 2000, the GOP has made Senator McCain the GOP’s own anti-Bush; even today they rail against him, further endearing him to Independents and moderates.

    Out of all of the possible combinations in November, I fear Clinton v. McCain most.

  • “… this foreign policy of belligerence, selfishness, only interested in the expansion of American power…”

    Wow. Finally a spot-on definition of Bush ‘moral clarity.’

  • This is good; Dems are getting a head start on a variety of national issues, when the “al GOPer Nitwit Brigades” (hey—it never hurts to paint that band of buffoons for the terrorists they are) can’t even figure out how to tie their own shoes. If the GOPers can’t start “thinning the herd” pretty soon, they’ll be looking at the real possibility of a brokered convention

  • Hillary:
    And if it is indeed the classic Republican campaign, I’ve been there. I’ve done that.”

    Anybody know what this means?
    Been there? Done that?
    What’s that got to do with debating a “war hero”?

  • Finally, candidates nodding in agreement that this election is all about defeating the republicans and putting a Democrat in the White House, Obama and Edwards’ responses were spot on. After the recent pettiness, a reason for continued hope.

    Okie has a great point as well. You can’t power a strong military with a weak economy. Just look at the Soviet Union and Afghanistan.

  • What’s that got to do with debating a “war hero”?

    War heroes are easy electoral pickins. Just run a cokehead draft dodger, have your folks wave a bunch of band-aids with purple hearts on ’em and toss some beach shoes in the air at convention, and have a 527 group – “Carrier Crashers for Truth” or somesuch – run ads about McCain voluntarily entertaining his captors in ways involving goats.

    All historical evidence is that it should work like a charm.

  • Well, I guess that since Our Lady of Perpetual Triangulation has been on every side of the war debate–for it, against it, and all shades of ambiguity in between–she certainly knows the terrain.

    It might be less encouraging to consider that part of what weakened John Kerry in 2004 was that he too had made a political calculation to support the war in 2002, and thus was unable to present himself credibly as an opponent once things had started to go sour. Like Kerry, Sen. Clinton gives the sense of someone who’s very brave with other people’s lives when there’s perceived political gain; unlike him, she can’t even claim to have put her own life on the line in defense of this country.

    By contrast, Obama could battle McCain on the grounds of having been right about Iraq–and he could make the argument that American soft power is the great under-utilized asset in this struggle. Hillary Clinton, who has dedicated her political life to convincing the world that there’s nothing “soft” about her, will not be able to make this case.

  • I think some candidate (Edwards may be the most likely) should argue the case that we should return to Eisenhower’s admonition to beware the military-industrial complex?

    Our military budget (half a trillion a year, ignoring the Iraq quagmire) is larger than all the rest of the world combined. We have standing armies in 184 nations around the world (last I looked)

    Isn’t it high time we reduced our 19th century dreams of empire, recognized that other nations have some responsibility to themselves, and decided we had better use for our national treasure than paying it to the “fear producers” such as the Bush Crime Family and Halliburton and such?

  • These types of arguments are what current polls pitting possible D-R match-ups are missing, and one of the many reasons why I place almost no faith in those numbers. Right now, the issue of terrorist attack is down on the list of voter concerns, so the usual politics of fear used by the right is less likely to resonate — while more sensible arguments such as CB cites are likely to appeal to a country that wants out of Iraq, wants our standing in the world restored, and knows it was hoodwinked by fear-mongering in the past.

    Interesting, though, how the three candidates handled the issue.

  • what dajafi said in #8.

    Clinton would be useless against McCain. She’s never been in the military, and she was dead wrong on the one vote that could have saved our military from the Iraq quagmire. She’d be John Kerry only without the military credentials.

    What’s she going to argue, that she’s smart? No. That she has experience? No.

    She’s got nothin’.

  • dajafi@8 covered it nicely.

    Even if people DID think the Iraqi occupation was going just super, does anyone believe Hil is in a better position to claim the occupation as her own than John McCain who supported it from teh beginning?

    She can’t plausibly claim opposition (she hasn’t even tried) and she can’t beat a Republican who supports the occupation installed by his predecessor.

    Are we, as a party, so ready to just walk straight into the jaws of an uncovered, conspicuous, safety-orange tape-labeled bear trap?

  • “Been there, done that.”

    I took her to mean she was prepared to deal with the usual inevitable shit flinging from the apes of the GOP.

  • But all 3 failed to challenge CNN’s Iraq questions that were based on Republican talking points.

    JOE JOHNS asked: “In light of the new military and political progress on the ground there in Iraq, are you looking to end this war or win it?”

    Blitzer then explicitly adoptedMcCain’s talking points and asks:

    BLITZER: McCain “says now the surge is working, there’s military progress, the level of violence has gone down, and that the United States must not surrender in Iraq. It must win that war in Iraq.

    Why do you believe Senator McCain is wrong?”

    None of them took issue with the questions. Unbelievable!!!

  • My guess is that in the end, it will be Mitt.

    Aside from the almost-rabid hatred of McCain from the neo-cons (they can’t forgive the fact that he didn’t drink the kool-aid), people view Mitt (right or wrong) as the only “businessman” in the field.

  • My aging brain finally popped up the reference I was thinking of when I wrote (#9) about our military budgets. Go here and scroll down about half a page, or search “Military spending in 2005”.

    The graph should leave anyone wondering if we haven’t gone psychotically awry somewhere along the line. Do we really need to be this far off the chart? Can’t we have a saner military strategy?

  • I am a lifelong liberal Democrat who refuses to vote for the Clintons. If they’ve turned me off this much, how in the world can we expect them to compete against McCain for independents? This is insanity. I feel like I’m in the Twilight Zone.

  • Mrs. Clinton’s would get destroyed by McCain on security issues, for reasons as noted above. On the particulars, she didn’t opposed the invasion and cannot possibly claim to have had good judgment about the war and subsequent occupation without falling into the Kerry trap, as noted by dajafi@8. She never served in the military, married an admitted draft-avoider, has a military-age daughter holding down a hedge fund job while John McCain’s kid has been in Iraq, and will be widely ridiculed if she tries to make the case that being the president’s wife makes her an expert on national security from 1992-2000. And she’s going to go up against a war hero/former POW who is loved by the media and the military and has been consistent on the war and occupation since the beginning?

  • If the general election is going to be about national security, the military and foreign policy once again, there goes any hope of ending the Iraq occupation which at one point a large majority of the country wanted desperately. Keeping us in Iraq and spending our money there and on the “fear factor” again also means the economy will continue to tank, that the infrastructure, education and general well being of the citizenry, e.g., health care, will all not be addressed. We are so fucked as a country. The Sheeple wanted change, I thought, but they are driven hither and dither by the corporations, media, and political establishment which all want the status quo.

  • Dems should refuse to run on Republican talking points. National security is best served by developing alt energy sources, shutting down foreign bases, and ending our role as the world’s policeman.

    And if Republicans challenge that, our candidate should ask, “OK, which countries present a threat to us?” And then shred the case for all the phoney bogeymen they offer up.

    That is the message Americans are waiting for.

  • I’m not entirely convinced that McCain will be the nominee – if he is, it will be because he has abandoned all the positions that make him so repulsive to a considerable segment of the GOP – and that may make him easier to run against, because he will no longer be the Maverick, he will be that guy who threw his arms around Bush and looked like he was considering a little dry-hump action for goofd measure. We can run against that John McCain, but there is still the myopic media to contend with – which will continue to push the Straight-Shooter myth.

    Hillary’s a little too eager to get into the national security fray – she seems almost gleeful at the chance to be the commander in chief – and I would prefer someone who is a little more circumspect and who handles that responsibility with extreme care. I don’t get that from her – I get “It’s Go Time, baby!” – and I’ve had enough of that, thanks. I question whether Hillary will go along with and push for the repeal of the MCA and the closing of Gitmo and the repudiation of torture – I fear that she will see those as tools she would need in order to be an effective Commander-in Chief.

    Whoever is the nominee needs to project strength – but the right kind of strength – the kind that recognizes that there is strength in diplomacy and other measures that don’t require armies and weapons to put forward. We need the kind of strength that recognizes that we are weaker for depleting our treasury and our forces, and less able to meet the challenges that lie ahead.

    The other way you beat McCain is to remind him every time he talks about knowing the military and commanding a unit, that that was 40 years ago – his age has to be a factor. Lately, whenever he pauses in delivering another emotionally flat statement, I am less convinced that he is thinking than I am wondering if he’s wetting his pants.

  • RacerX: She’s got nothin’.

    Yep. Trying to head butt with McCain is lose-lose.
    Obama’s outflanking maneuver might work.
    Might. Certainly it won’t lose him much ground.

    Then again, if I am interpreting #7’s word salad correctly:
    Bulldog Hillary can run a campaign to smear his war past.

    That ought to go over good with an electorate that:

    Never. Questions. The. Patriotism. Of. Republicans.

    Yep…
    The bulldog approach just might work…

  • How exactly did HRC “deal with the usual inevitable shit flinging from the apes of the GOP”? By letting her husband do the stupidest thing possible and lie about his affair?

    She had to be aware of his affairs, and if she was such an involved person in the WH, she must have been involved in the strategy sessions before his public denial. I hope someone asks her someday whether she signed off on those lies or not, but IMO she had to have been involved, because she’s not stupid enough to believe the story we got.

    And let’s be clear, she’s not going to have to only deal with shit-flinging GOoPers, she’s going to have to deal with questions about her Iraq vote, and that’s what she’s obviously been avoiding like the plague for obvious reasons. When she does, she’ll sound like John Kerry.

    Obama can answer the question.

  • I think Malcolm is right – Romney still looks like the nominee, not McCain. Romney has more cash, and once the economy tanks, Romney can point to his business acumen and turning around the Olympics etc. The various factions of the Republican establishment will decide he is the least offensive, and away he goes.

  • Of course Hillary can beat McCain. He’ll be pushing a lie, while she’ll be telling the truth: Iraq was the single greatest military blunder in the history of the United States. It’s destroyed our army, bankrupted our economy and taken 4000+ young American lives. And for what? If John McCain can’t answer that question in ten words, Hillary (or any Democratic nominee) wins. That’s assuming, of course, that the terrorists who consolidated Bush’s power for him don’t strike again. If I were the Democratic candidates, I’d start talking now about how Iraq has made us more vulnerable, not less. And it’s true economically as well as militarily.

  • One ad, repeated 1000 times, of McCain saying he’s ok with being in Iraq for 100 years – no other voice over. no other graphics. just him saying that, then fade to black with a “Vote Clinton – November 5” and we win the election. If there is any doubt, run a second one of him singing Bomb Bomb Iran, and while he is still singing fade the video from him to soldiers without legs, booody street scenes in Iraq, and flag-draped caskets. Fade to text on black: “Sending Americans to War is Not a Joke. Vote Clinton – November 5.”

    (We can substatitue Edwards or Obama, of course, but my point is that McCain wouldn’t be able to beat Swan by the time the campaign is over.)

  • Iraq was the single greatest military blunder in the history of the United States. -dalloway

    And she’s just as complicit in starting it as he is, so she also has to answer this question. Care to compare Hillary’s and McCain’s voting record on Iraq starting with the AUMF?

    Of course Hillary can beat McCain. -dalloway

    Which states will she flip that went Bush in 2004?

    Let’s please stop assuming it will be a cakewalk for any of the Democrats. It makes us sound foolish and naive.

  • It is a simple as this. I as an Independent voter,will vote in the Democratic primary for Mr. Obama.If Ms Clinton is elected, I will vote for the Republican nominee

  • please stop assuming it will be a cakewalk for any of the Democrats

    It wont be. We start out at a disadvantage in the Electoral College, we complicate it by having the guts to almost surely nominate a historic candidate in the face of what I believe is still a significant reservoir of bigotry against the idea of a female or black President. We have the usual Democratic Party untidiness, contentious nominating process, and circular firing squad. And we have an opponent with a known willingness to both cheat and get away with it, and who has control of much of the vote counting (and their finger on the National Threat Level button).

    But for all of that, if we work hard, work smart, spend wisely, keep our wits about us, and come together in the fall we still have big advantages. Some unfortunate: an ongoing unpopular war that is poised to get worse as we run out of troops; an economy that may be entering meltdown. Others less so: for all of the faults people perceive in Clinton, Obama and/or Edwards, the Republicans each and collectively have not only huge problems as candidates but huge problems with key pieces of the Republican coalition.

    I fully understand from a lifetime of Democratic election disasters that when you are in this party you watch defeat snared from the jaws of victory more often than not. That said, this one is ours to lose.

  • The Democrats have no clue what National Security is about. They look at War and attacks against America as some kind of criminal acts that should be handled in a Court/Justice system.

    26 February, 1993: First WTC attack. 26 June, 1993: Iraqi Intelligence Service plot to assassinate former President George Bush. 3-4 October, 1993: Battle of Mogadishu (America retreats…Saddam and Osama both claim that America “will never put their troops on foreign soil again”). 25 June, 1996: 19 U.S. servicemen killed in Saudi Arabia. 7 August, 1998: Two U.S. embassies are bombed (one in Nairobi…one in Dar es Salaam). 12 October, 2000: The USS Cole bombing.

    Saddam was well connected to al Qaeda and other Terrorist groups, thru the (at least) connections with Ramzi Yousef (Iraqi passport), Khalid Sheikh Mohammed (al-Qaeda member, and Yousef is his nephew), and Abdul Rahman Yasin (Iraqi heritage, and grew up in Baghdad, Iraq. “One of seven men indicted for 1993 WTC attack, with full knowledge and approval of US Attorneys involved in the case, Yasin was set free and encouraged to leave the US.” Leslie Stahl of CBS interviewed him, in Iraq, for a segment on 60 Minutes on May 23, 2002.

    Bill Clinton and Osama bin Laden? Well, in 1996, the Sudanese Government had twice offered to “hand him over” freely…as in, that “the government of Sudan agreed to arrest bin Laden and hand him over to U.S law enforcement at a time and place of the Clinton administration’s choosing.” In 2002, Bill Clinton admits to refusing to take the Sudanese offer of Osama bin Laden, because Osama had committed “no crime” against America prior to the offer. Bill Clinton on Tape

    (I provided only one link, but the other info can be found with a simple search.)

  • Finally, a truth from Sen. Clinton:

    And if it is indeed the classic Republican campaign, I’ve been there. I’ve done that.

    See? She’s confessing that she and Bill really do steal plays from the Karl Rove playbook… she’s “done” a Republican campaign.

    Wait, wait. You say that that’s not what she meant, that “clearly” she was commenting on the kind of campaigns she’s faced, not endorsing those tactics? I don’t know, it sounds a lot like parsing it to have it both ways.

  • “It is a simple as this. I as an Independent voter,will vote in the Democratic primary for Mr. Obama.If Ms Clinton is elected, I will vote for the Republican nominee”

    Excellent, brought to us by someone who likely voted not once but twice for George W. Bush.

  • If it is McCain, and national security is a major theme, then I suspect we’ll see General Wes Clark as Ms. Clinton’s running mate.

  • i think there is a decent chance we’ll see General Clark as running mate if HRC is the nominee regardless of what issue is in the forefront at the time, unless they do a Clinton/Obama party healing ticket (assuming Obama would accept).

  • The premise is incorrect. Even if McCain is the GOP nominee, security won’t be the main issue (unless there’s another terror attack in the US). Iraq is a lose-lose issue for Republicans- if Iraq is bad, people want out and blame Repbs for getting us in, if it gets better, they forget it and vote the economy. Just ask GHW Bush how his second term went after he actually won a war.

  • Re # thirty
    I have voted for thirty five years and the one thing I am sure of is the only goal of either party is power. The common good had very little to do with it. I really fear the mandate of one party. I find this blog long on patisianship and not grounded in reality.
    PS
    I voted for the libertarian in Bushe’s first run and the veteran in the second.
    What part of independent do you not understand

  • “I find this blog long on patisianship and not grounded in reality.
    PS
    I voted for the libertarian in Bushe’s first run and the veteran in the second.
    What part of independent do you not understand”

    Which is why I doubt that you are necessarily being up-front about whom you voted for. But that is OK. My guess you are ‘independent’ in the way that my GOP friends have slowly and methodically turned ‘independent’ these past 5 years. However, how they would interpret the term ‘independent’ is much different than the way I, or pretty much any dictionary, would define ‘independent’ and I have no doubt you fall within their camp. ‘Independent’ in politics these days pretty much means whatever the person calling him or her self ‘independent means, based upon their own subjective views and nothing objective.

  • I’m union and I didn’t trust bill clinton, he gave us NAFTA, I didn’t trust bush and he allowed our country to be over run by iilegals. The one thing that both have in common. They both did it with backing of the professional politicians, democrat and republican. I’m for new blood in the white house. We need to have someone in there that is for the American people. I don’t see any one like that now.

  • I’d like to respond to the various comments about Hillary or any of the candidates debating a “war hero” on the topic of foreign policy. I respect John McCain and his service to our military – however, I think that given the majority of the nation now feel to some degree that the war was a mistake, that “war hero” or not, I believe the American people are getting to the point that they can see past the war hero’s past deeds to see his agenda; that they can see past the “black candidate” or the “female candidate” and see what policies they endorse and what their plans are for America. And people will vote more now on the issues I think than ever in the past (as opposed to voting purely for partisanship or affiliation). I think (hope) we are now starting to get beyond the “prejudice of politics” and seeing candidates for what they stand for, not what they look like or what their names are. Some may expect the black candidate to get the black vote; the female candidate to get the female vote, and so on. But I think with the complexity of our nation’s problems, we can no longer afford to look at our choices with such simplistic viewpoints. We must look deeper into the minds and souls of these candidates to really see what they are made of and what they are capable of.

    To me, I have always respected the Clintons and at first intended on voting for Hillary. But I also was a Kerry/Edwards supporter in 2004 and see many of John Edward’s policies as favorable. I have done my homework; I have researched past rhetoric and political mud-slinging to find out where each of the candidates stand on the positions. And I’m voting for Barack Obama. I feel that my support is not being thrown in the wind to a candidate who has no hope of winning. Sen. Clinton keeps speaking of her record and her experience, but in my reading, I have found that she is the embodiment of politics as we know it and that while she may be able to push through some of her agenda if she has the voting majority in the house and senate, I see her as maintaining the status quo and I have seen where that gets us.

    I feel a candidate’s ability is equally important as their experience is. I have read transcripts of how Barack pushed many types of legislation through in Illinois, by being able to debate effectively enough with Republicans, Democrats and Independents, to win his point across to get the support he needs to make change. I have read bi-partisan statements praising him for his ability to do so. I have seen many examples of his ability to discuss and find solution with people from every spectrum of the economic melting pot within this country. In short, when I hear him speak and listen to his words, I feel not only that I can believe what he is saying but that he really does have what it takes to accomplish what he talks about. I see his life and service to his community and to the nation as completely transparent; no whispers in dark corners, or questions about practices; no rumors of possible misconduct or misrepresentation. I see a person just like me, who came from meager beginnings who chose the road less popular and less profitable but with more substance and meaning.

    And lastly, I am utterly disgusted at Hillary’s constant, pathetic attempts to drag Barack through the mud. She only proved what I already felt in my heart; that for her it’s more important to win than to compete; that rather than stand on her own merit of accomplishment she must cast skewed, out-of-context accusations that are irrelevant to the political debate. She is wasting our time and I think the whole integrity of the debate suffered as a result.

  • Once the nominees in both parties are anointed, we -the reality based community- needs to start running 30 second ads:

    ‘Just the facts mam’

    – What party was in power when we were attacked on 9/11? Republicans were
    – Who was warned about OBL’s intentions to attack the United States? Bush was.
    – Who warned about OBL’s threat level? Dick Clark did, and was demoted because of it.
    – What was the surplus when Bush became President?
    – What is the deficit today?
    – Who thinks “Global Warming” is a myth? Republicans did and still do.
    – Who said “Mushroom clouds in America”? Republicans did (Condi Rice especially)
    – Who disclosed an undercover agent’s identity? Scooter, Rove, Cheney, Addington.
    – Who spied on US citizens BEFORE 9/11? Bush administration.
    – Who vetoed healthcare for children (SCHIP)? Bush did.
    – Who vetoed potentially life saving stem cell research? Bush did.
    – Who neglected the Katrina Hurricane disaster? Bush did.
    – Who gutted a once competent FEMA agency? Bush administration did.
    – Who installed more cronies then any other president? Bush did.
    – Who choreographed the politically motivated firing of AG’s? Bush administration did.
    – Who keeps promising that ‘6 more months’ and everything will change in Iraq? Bush.
    – Who said “Mission Accomplished” almost 5 years ago? Bush did.
    – Who said “Insurgency in their last throws”? Cheney did.
    – What’s the worst inflation in the last 2 decades? 2007 Bush administration.
    – What’s the worst currency exchange against the Euro ever? xx during Bush admin.
    – What’s the worst currency exchange against Canadian$? xx during Bush admin.
    – What’s the worst deficit in US History? xx during Bush admin.
    – Increase of Teen pregnancy rates? 2007 during Bush admin.
    – etc.

    The list is endless, there are tons of ideas to run short smart ads that will make people think whether they like more of the same, or if they’re willing to give ‘change’ a chance.

    Let’s make a list of FACTS that can be rubbed in the Repubs faces.

  • Bruno, I like your style! *cuts and pastes*

    I’d also like to see us come up with a simple one page fact sheet in similar form on McCain and Romney, Huckabee (possible VP) and Ron Paul who looks ready to Ross Perot this race.

    As to the rest, I can’t believe how many Republicans are ready to leave their party and come over to our side if we would only nominate the inspiring fresh face Barack Obama! And don’t throw away our last hopes on that nasty Hillary Clinton (her husband got a blowjob, ya know). Awesome of you guys to give us that wonderful advice–your “concern” for us is noted.

  • LOL, I just noticed Ron Paul and Ross Perot-both RP, both twinkly, amusing older guys with a folksy manner, both scary as hell when you understand what they’re really saying. Has anyone ever actually seen them together?

  • Yeah, Ron Paul says some SCARY stuff!

    – He’s the only candidate who has said he would leave Iraq ASAP.
    – He voted AGAINST the Iraq war in all cases. (Including appropriations bills that the saintly Obama voted for)
    – He voted AGAINST the PATRIOT Act.
    – He’s the only candidate who has never voted for raising taxes.
    – He’s the only candidate who has never voted for an unbalanced budget
    – He’s the only candidate who wants to end the War on Drugs.

    Oh my gosh, he also wants to get rid of the income tax!!! He’s the next HITLER!!!

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