Dick ‘Untouchable’ Cheney

Sure, we’ve known for quite some time that the Bush White House takes an expansive view of executive branch power. But as a defense against the Plame civil suit, Cheney’s legal team has managed to push the envelope to surprising degree. (And given these guys’ track record, that’s saying something.)

Attorneys for Vice President Cheney and top White House officials told a federal judge yesterday that they cannot be held liable for anything they disclosed to reporters about covert CIA officer Valerie Plame or her husband, former ambassador Joseph C. Wilson IV.

The officials, who include senior White House adviser Karl Rove and Cheney’s former chief of staff, I. Lewis “Scooter” Libby, argued that the judge should dismiss a lawsuit filed by the couple that stemmed from the disclosure of Plame’s identity to the media. […]

The lawyers said any conversations Cheney and the officials had about Plame with one another or with reporters were part of their normal duties because they were discussing foreign policy and engaging in an appropriate “policy dispute.” Cheney’s attorney went further, arguing that Cheney is legally akin to the president because of his unique government role and has absolute immunity from any lawsuit. (emphasis added)

U.S. District Judge John D. Bates, a Bush appointee and former aide to Ken Starr, asked Cheney’s lawyers, “So you’re arguing there is nothing — absolutely nothing — these officials could have said to reporters that would have been beyond the scope of their employment,” whether the statements were true or false?

“That’s true, Your Honor. Mr. Wilson was criticizing government policy,” said Jeffrey S. Bucholtz, deputy assistant attorney general for the Justice Department’s civil division. “These officials were responding to that criticism.”

Sometimes, it’s tempting to just sit back and marvel at how far these guys are willing to go. In a dark and depressing kind of way, the Bush gang and their lawyers are truly impressive — in much the same way the tobacco industry is “impressive” marketing to kids and lying about the addictive qualities of their product.

Writing over at Kos, Devilstower explains the rationale behind the legal argument here.

The lawyers for the whole crew are claiming that it’s okay for White House staff to say anything, true or false, with no threat of civil prosecution. Nice theory. Naturally, such privileges do not extend to the common folk. For Cheney, they’re going further, claiming an immunity that in the past has been limited to the president. He could literally do anything, and you peasants would just have to live with it.

And at TalkLeft, Big Tent Democrat takes on the claim that Cheney is “legally akin to the president.”

I think the argument fails because the Vice President is NOT the President and his only official power is to break ties in the Senate. One could argue, indeed, Cheney has, that the Vice President is a member of the legislative branch Constitutionally, not the Executive branch. In short, there is no separation of powers issue for suits against the Vice President at all. Members of Congress are, of course subject to lawsuits. So this argument seems a nonstarter for me.

Cheney can claim, as can almost all government officials, that his actions are subject to the qualified immunity that is granted to government officials acting in their official capacity. Motions to dismiss on qualified immunity grounds are commonplace and perhaps Cheney can establish that his duties as Vice President required whatever it is he did. We’ll see.

But Cheney went further, claiming absolute immunity. That is pretty clearly a reach, absent equating the Vice President with the President.

And even if the court were to consider the Cheney some kind of presidential equivalent, the Clinton v. Jones case should make clear that constitutional officers are not exempt from civil suits.

I’m tempted to tell these guys, “Nice try,” but that would be giving them too much credit. How about “Imaginative try”?

Cheney is morphing from Darth Vader to Emperor Palpatine with his bold assertions of absolute power.

  • It is important to remember, though, that in the mind of Cheney, he is, indeed, the President—and Bush is little more than his “front-man.” Gosh, we’ve all seen the figures from months ago, when we found out just how huge a staf Cheney has. He literally—and I do mean, literally—has his own “shadow” government in place—and his links to Blackwater and the war profiteers are by far stronger than Bush’s….

  • Equally important, they are claiming that talking to the reporters about **classified information** is legit….so long as they want to bludgeon their opponents.

    Remember, this is all about mishandling **classified information**, which happened to be Valerie Plame’s status with the government, not what Joe Wilson wrote, did, said or implied about government policy.

    If they try to make a fudge about rumor-mongering with Joe Wilson, then it turns into a penny-ante street fight with lots of wriggle room for the Bushies.

    If, however, the case is focused strictly on the Bushies habit of flouting the rules and laws of the country, well, we know where that should lead, no?

  • You can practically hear Cheney seething, “I am the president, dammit!”

    Why don’t Cheney, Bush and Gonzales just come out and say what they really believe: that they’re gods and can do anything they want on this planet without repercussions.

  • They can only get away with it as long as the people who could, conceivably, stand in their way and say “No, THIS is the law, and you’re breaking it,” don’t stand in their way, and say nothing.

  • Lets sum up shall we? Republicans can commit mass murder, treason, fraud and any other number of crimes. Now Democrats, on the other hand, can’t even get a BJ without being impeached. This is like a Gilbert and Sullivan Operetta. The absurdity is enough to give me an aneurysm.

  • It’s a short step from “the power to say anything” to “the power to do anything.” I think it’s fairly obvious that powerful people have the de facto power over life and death–horrifying though that is. But the notion that they might have de jure power in that regard as well is vastly worse.

  • I’d like to make one more point, one I’m sure others have made and will make, but it will always…ALWAYS bear repeating…

    Cheney spent years trying to hide his involvement in the Wilson/Plame situation. Now that it’s going to a civil court, before even trying to mount a proper defense, he’s essentially saying “Aw, f*** you, I can do what I want, I’m the Vice President. I can disclose state secrets and get away with it. I can lie about it and get away with it. That’s right, I’m not even responible for the LIES I tell, THAT’S how immune I am to your petty laws!”

    Well, at the risk of sounding all Aaron Sorkin-y…

    If the Vice President is immune to being held responsible to the law…

    why did he choose to hide the fact that he was breaking it?

    I believe at this point, someone is supposed to say something about our not being able to handle the truth.

  • I must be mistaken, but didn’t the Republicans (during the Clinton impeachment campaign) make it legal to sue* a sitting president? So, logically and by the “akin” claim, the same would apply to the vice president?

    * Paula “I’m defending my good name in court and in Playboy” Jones.

  • Projecting intellectual honesty while arguing relevant issues this WH crowd is seemingly incapable. Rather, Rove and company have proven time and again their amazing ability of projecting intellectual carcinogens into our bodypolitick. We need to cut the cancer out – impeach the lot of them! -Kevo

  • Cheney is just being forced to say what he’s always said. Only this time he’s saying it to a judge.

    “Go fuck yourself, your honor.”

  • This just seems all so surreal to me… is this really the United States of America? Its not just the rampant, wanton abuse of power by this gang; I think what bothers me even moreso is the fact that there doesn’t seem to be anything we can do about it. Its almost as if they are daring someone to stand up to them, and at this point, no one seems willing to take the challenge. We just voted in a new congress to reign in these power mad, greedy bunch of sleazeballs, and NOTHING is happening. Its farcical almost. Gonzales, sitting infront of the panel, smirking, acting as if this was some sort of game.
    WTF is going on? Are we a nation of laws or not?
    Goddamnit, someone do something!

  • WTF? There is no way in hell anyone is going to stand for this crap! Even the Congreesional GOP tools will have to look at this and say this maybe a little too much executive power. Cheney is a shamless ass-hole and it is going to be the downfall of the GOP if they allow him to continue his asshattery unfettered just because his name is followed by an (R).

    Makes you long for the days when tax evasion and sexual favors can bring down the most powerful person.

  • […] arguing that Cheney is legally akin to the president […]

    What Steve, @2, says. I bet the original line was “Cheney is a king of the president”. Legally, schmigally, let’s talk facts here.

    And dadefreese’s point, @3, is what struck me the most too. Maybe Cheney can claim exec. priv. over discussions with Rove and Libby. Maybe. Presumably, they had security clearance. But, *reporters*???? Gimme a break…

  • Hey CB, let’s start a petition to Congress, spread it all over the blogoshpere, that would basically say as citizens of the United States, we demand that Congress take swift action against those that broke the law. That is what frustrates me the most; there is no need for inquiries, investigations, etc. THESE PEOPLE BROKE THE LAW! How much clearer does this picture need to get? Just as with any other citizen, if you break the law, you get prosecuted! If we can get 500,000, or a million signatures, by God, something’s gotta give!

  • I mis-read the headline and said to myself, “Yeah that’s so evil & vile, I’m sure that most of the hookers wouldn’t go there. And I know Lynn’s (Sisters) not interested.”
    That would be smart for them, too, as I’m sure he would have them “disappear” afterwards.

  • citizen_pain, @16;

    Well, this particular issue is in civil court, and Cheney’s asking for the case to be dismissed, out of hand. I’ll be curious to see how the judge — a Bushie — will act.

    Out of curiosity… CB, when you put ‘untouchable’ in quotes was it because you were also harking to the Indian caste term? One could wish that Deadeye Dick *were*, indeed, that kind of ‘untouchable’…

  • libra: This particular case is of course a civil action; I was thinking in terms of Gonzalez, Cheney and Bu$h, and the rest of this bunch. We know they have broken the law. Where the hell are all the lawers? I mean, its plainly written on the wall that they have broken several laws, FISA, the list goes on. Where is the legal action against them???

  • Cheney reminds me of the Simpsons episode where Mr. Burns ends up in civil court after hitting Bart with his car; to paraphrase:

    Lawyer: “Your honor, my client would like to remind the court that he is extremely wealthy and not bound by the laws of ordinary men.”

    Burns (outburst): “I should be able to run over as many kids as I want!!!”

  • …Cheney is legally akin to the president because of his unique government role and has absolute immunity from any lawsuit.

    The dark lord is removing his mask. His disfigured face is truly frightening. The plot twists are just like the Star Wars saga. Next espisode we learn that “Dick” is really the chimp’s father and Karl Rove is a cloning experiment by the federation. But what does that make Gone-zo?

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