Did Hillary play the ‘gender card’?

In Tuesday night’s debate for Democratic presidential candidates, Hillary Clinton’s rivals went after her fairly aggressively on everything from consistency to integrity to electability. The frontrunner appeared a little rattled at time, but in the end, Clinton was probably no worse for wear.

But it’s the post-debate spin that’s turned out to be more provocative.

After the debate, the campaign presented a principal talking point: “Ultimately, it was six guys against her, and she came off as one strong woman.” A nearly identical phrase appeared on Clinton’s campaign website Wednesday morning. A few hours later, during a conference call, Clinton strategist Mark Penn said his newest polling data showed Barack Obama and John Edwards suffering a “backlash” among female voters — arguing that women rallied to Clinton’s defense because the male candidates went after her.

All of a sudden, the political reporters latched onto a new narrative: the campaign had played the “gender card.” Today, Clinton said the media has it all wrong.

Hillary Rodham Clinton said Friday that her status as the Democratic presidential front-runner — not her gender — has led her male primary rivals to intensify their criticism of her.

“I don’t think they’re piling on because I’m a woman. I think they’re piling on because I’m winning,” Clinton told reporters after filing paperwork to appear on the New Hampshire primary ballot.

“I anticipate it’s going to get even hotter, and if you can’t stand the heat get out of the kitchen. I’m very much at home in the kitchen,” she said.

That strikes me as pretty persuasive.

The meme of the hour is that Clinton played the “gender card,” but the evidence is pretty thin. A lot of people are pointing to this example from yesterday…

Democratic presidential frontrunner Hillary Clinton returned to her alma mater Tuesday, the all-women’s Wellesley College in Massachusetts, as her campaign suggested this week’s debate could help her with women voters.

Clinton seemed to allude to sharp attacks from Democratic rivals in Tuesday’s showdown, telling the enthusiastic crowd, “in so many ways, this all women’s college prepared me compete in the all boys’ club of presidential politics.”

…but like Ezra, I don’t see this as particularly troublesome.

That’s the only invocation of gender since the debate. And to me, it sounds like nothing more interesting than alumni puffery. She didn’t say the “boys” were beating up on her for being a woman. She didn’t say the questions were unfair or the attacks sexist. She just said that her alma mater helped prepare her to enter this world. That’s not making this about gender. It’s mentioning gender, and pumping up her college.

Agreed. Playing the victim takes a lot more than the mere mention of gender.

That said, while I think the media is blowing this way out of proportion — probably desperate to find a new narrative to talk about — part of me thinks this whole hullabaloo is Mark Penn’s fault. He’s the one who hosted a conference call to say that Obama’s and Edwards’ criticisms were driving women voters to Hillary. Since Tuesday, that’s probably the only legitimate instance of the campaign playing the “gender card” at all.

But maybe I’m misreading all of this. What do you guys think? A media-manufactured story or an exploitative campaign ploy?

Even noting that women were being driven to Senator Clinton by Obama and Edwards assaults is not playing the gender card. Some women voters WILL see it that way and be driven to Clinton (some men too); others of both genders will see Hilary Clinton as able to hang with the big boys, and be driven to Clinton.

Both point to gender; but neither is playing the gender card because it Clinton playing victim. If the Clinton campaign is careful, there may be no downside to all this.

  • Of course she’s pandering to women. She’s counting on women voting for her because she is a woman. Pathetic. Just as bad as voting for a man because he’s a man.

    Talk about something substantive, like her Senate record instead. What blog do I go to for that discussion? Or do I just have to sit here and hear what a “tremendous candidate” she is?

  • part of me thinks this whole hullabaloo is Mark Penn’s fault. It is his fault and he was the one playing the gendor card asking for donations to push back against the boys. They all ganged up on her, we need to fight back= gendor card.

  • A little bit from Column A and a little bit from Column B.

    The media loves a good fight. It happened to be the most interesting one of the long election cycle and involved the MSM’s prez designate.

    While Clinton is using a bit of the “slick” Willie charm, but it would have worked against her male WHITE opponents, but not so well against Obama, who, so far hasn’t played the race card. Hils is too smart to come out and say it herself, but her team stumbled a bit playing up that comment.

    As far as I’ve seen and read the criticism of Hils was because she is leading and because of her (poor) record on the important issues, not because she is a woman.

  • Do most women want to vote for someone who’s hawkish on Iran and can’t apologize for helping us get into the quagmire of Iraq?

    Really?

    I think there’s a certain percentage of liberals (men and women) who would love to see the “glass ceiling” shattered, and they’re kinda desperate to make that happen.

  • I think there were two legitimate instances of playing the gender card, and in my mind, the decision was clear and deliberate – “six guys against her and she came off as a strong woman.” is emphasizing gender. Penn’s comments were too.

  • Frankly, I expect a lot of women will vote for Hillary because Hillary is succeeding in a world where the deck is still very much stacked against women making it to the top. Women know how hard that is, they know about all of the land mines men put in their way, they see all the land mines society at large puts in their way, and they know that it is a measure of Hillary’s character that she is doing so well.

    As Jane Hamsher noted the other day, if any of the male candidates blows up and gets harsh, they will be seen as tough and forceful. If Hillary does it she will be a bitch and shrill. We’ll see that footage over and over and over and over and . . . . Just like the Gore sighing film loops.

    I don’t agree with everything Hillary says, I get frustrated by the political parsing, but I have absolutely no doubt that she would restore competence to the White House and an understanding that our government should and must work for us.

  • I think it’s a division of labor: she floats above the fray and says the right things, Penn and other spokeszombies throw whatever they have at the wall and see if it sticks.

    As someone who strongly opposes Sen. Clinton on the merits, I find it exasperating because if she weren’t a woman, with the same positions and otherwise similar circumstances–say, if she’d been Bill’s non-screwup brother–I don’t think she’d have a prayer. But the gender breakthrough aspect–which I can understand people getting excited about–is a big part of her campaign. It’s a fine line between leveraging that, which is simply smart politics, and exploiting it. Per usual, she’s treading it.

  • Aside from this particular issue, I never would have thought–say, five, six years ago, that I would be against Hillary. But here I am. She strikes me as a little too cozy with the Establishment for my tastes, and a little to quick to distance herself from the ideals of our Constitution. There is just something awfully phony about her, moreso than any other Dem candidate (they’re all phony to some degree–some more than others).

  • Do most women want to vote for someone who’s hawkish on Iran and can’t apologize for helping us get into the quagmire of Iraq? -RacerX

    I can’t understand this either. She’s at odds with the professed positions of the people one major issues, but she’s still the front runner in every irresponsibly small and regretebly newsworthy poll. Why?

    My guess is that it is her gender. Not because she’s playing the ‘gender card,’ but if she were a man, she’d have never been able to marry Bill. All she’s had to trade for her Senate position and candidacy is her dignity.

  • Here is what John Amato just said at Crooks and Liars.
    As I was watching the MSNBC debate with Jane Hamsher, (she stayed with me for a few days before her surgery yesterday and is recovering nicely.) I turned and said that I was wondering when Russert would ask her if she killed Vince Foster. The hostility directed at her was pretty ridiculous. Disagree with her all you want and I certainly do, but Russert had a plan in mind and carried it out. You will never see Republicans treated this way throughout a debate. Taylor Marsh thought so too.

    Here’s all you need to know:

    Russert asked the panel of 7 candidates a total of fifty-two questions. How many do you figure were about Hillary? Go on – take a guess. Give up? Right – of the 52 questions a total of twenty-five were about Hillary.

    Of those 25, how many do you think were hostile toward Hillary? Go on – take a guess. Give up? Right – 22 of those questions were hostile.

    And I agree with FDL on this one. Bob Somerby tries to wake us all up to the fact that will always be the case for any Democratic front runner. Just wait and see if Edwards or Obama pull ahead in the polls.

    http://www.crooksandliars.com/2007/11/02/the-gender-card-theme/

  • As one of the few on this Board who usually defends Hillary, I’m actually going to go the other way on this one. I do think that her campaign (in the end, she is responsible for Penn) tried to have this one both ways, and I think Ruth Marcus called her out on it pretty well (although Emily Bazelton and Dahlia Lithwick have an interesting back-and-forth on it on Slate).

    I understand why she would want to have it both ways — Lazio getting in her space drove voters, and particularly women, to her in droves in the Senate race, so the “poor lone woman pounced on by the old boys” is politically useful, but getting caught expressly playing the gender card is not, nor is looking “weak” per the glass-ceiling stereotype when you are running to be Commander in Chief.

    But here she and her team just didn’t pull it off very well. I really sense that, to use a boxing analogy, Edwards at the debate and the new YouTube ad, landed a punch that staggered HRC a bit, and she is a little wobbly on her feet. Rather than thrashing around and leaving herself vulnerable to another hit, she might be well advised to take a step back, put her guard up, and wait for the break between rounds to get back on solid footing (and then she would need to come out strong in the next round – if getting wobbly from taking a hit becomes a pattern for her campaign, she has a big problem with her “best able to run against the Rethugs” angle.)

  • It’s just more of the Clinton campaign trying to have it every way they can. Of course, she was trying to make it out that a bunch of men were attacking a woman, but then they realize trying to go that route risks creating an image of someone who is too insecure or not strong enough to lead. All of it is just trying to cloud the central issue: She can’t give a straight answer on most issues and she can united the GOP in a way none of their candidates can and would be the Democrat most likely to blow what should be an easy win. What really drives me nuts is her continual repeating of the phrase that “we’re winning” when not a single vote has been cast. National polls are next to meaningless. It’s useful to remember that close to this time in 2004, Iowa polls were showing Howard Dean way out in front, with Gephardt close behind and Lieberman in third. Edwards was way back in fourth and John Kerry wasn’t even a blip.

  • “I don’t think they’re piling on because I’m a woman. I think they’re piling on because I’m winning”

    Hang on there Hillbilly honey…

    First…
    T’ain’t nobody voted.
    Exceptin’ Big Bad Media of course…
    They’ve anointed you Empress in the worst way:
    You are easy to hate and so will sell copy…
    Yuck.

    Second…
    Remember this:

    http://www.thecarpetbaggerreport.com/archives/13279.html

    Speaking of Obama, the Illinois senator was on The Tonight Show last night. Jay Leno asked whether Obama finds the recent polls discouraging. “Hillary appears to be a shoo-in,” Leno said, adding: “How discouraging is that?” Obama said, “It’s not discouraging.” “A little bit?” Leno asked. “Hillary is not the first politician in Washington to declare mission accomplished a little too soon,” Obama responded.

    Lots of you jumped on Obama for that.
    Suggestion: Apologies are best served warm.
    Use the microwave if you must… but dish it out with organic maple syrup on top.

    Third…
    Hillbilly you ain’t gonna get my vote.
    I agree with today’s Doonesbury…

    http://www.doonesbury.com/strip/dailydose/

    Hillbilly is four more years of Iraq war.
    I will flush my vote down a third party toilet before she will ever garner it.
    I promise.
    Got that Hill?
    Got that Big Media?

  • I’m happy that Clinton has shown herself to be a “strong woman”. But I am no more impressed by that than when George Bush claims to walk with “a certain swagger”.

    I’d like a candidate who is sympathetic to unions, plans to end the occupation of Iraq, takes human rights even a bit seriously, can hope to challenge the corruption that dominates DC and plans to address global warming in a fashion proportionate to the size of the problem. (At the moment, that’s Edwards.)

    As opposed to someone who meets none of those criteria.

    The Democrats have such a massive opportunity in 2008 – what a waste it is to opt for Hillary Clinton.

    I don’t understand it – the same Democrats who express dissatisfaction with their Congressional leadership in national opinion polls are backing Clinton. The Democratic House leadership are considerably more progressive and principled than her, where does she get her support from? (Apart from industry lobbyists, obviously).

  • I was thinking exactly the same thing earlier today when I read this column at TownHall.com. I followed the link to the YouTube clip Hillary’s campaign posted after the debate, and all she said was, “I’m the center of attention, and there’s a reason for that.” That’s it. She didn’t say anything about being female. But on NBC, sure enough, there’s Matt Lauer asking Barack Obama, “I just heard the gender card drop! How you gonna deal with it?” WTF?

    100% media-manufactured bull

  • two points

    1: The whole thing to me is silly. She’s a grad of an all-girls’ school, using a little of her (admittedly not-so-great) wit to make a point that her school is good and fine and prepares its students to succeed.

    2: We all use our own cards. Whatever we were dealt, looks-wise, race-wise, Tab-A-or-Slot-B-wise, we try to make it work for us. It’s part of evolution, it’s part of adapt-or-die. If you’re an ugly guy, you try to compensate with a great personality & sense of humor. If you’re incredibly good-looking, you might use your smile & eye contact a little more to seduce people to your way of thinking. And if you’re considered a “minority” of any sort, trying to succeed in a traditionally white-male-dominated world, then whether you realize it or not, you’re doing two things at once – working hard to prove you have just as much right to be there as the white men, whilst simultaneously rubbing it IN the white men’s faces that you are not a white man. You may do it more or less deliberately than someone else, but you do it. And you should. We are all dealt cards, and we can either play those cards, or fold.

  • #16: I’d like a candidate who is sympathetic to unions

    So all of those unions endorsing Clinton are wildly uninformed despite having entire staffs that vet candidates? Really? The odds of you having a better handle on that than numerous national and local unions is. . . how many placeholders do I need after the decimal point?

  • After watching the debate I was troubled by the fact that the topic of the debate was a single issue, Hillary Clinton. I cannot remember any political debate so focused upon a single candidate as this past debate was focused on Hillary.

    To me it appeared MSNBC tried very hard, and succeeded, to influence the tone of the Presidential campaign on the Democrat side. For the past couple weeks they have doing stories on how the “public,” whoever that is, “wants” to see the Democrats take on Hillary and they finished it off with sending in Tim Russert to frame nearly every one of his questions as a negative about Hillary. And now, every story on MSNBC is “Hillary tripped on one question!”

    Maybe it is just me, but are not debates supposed to be about issues? And since when did the issue become a candidate?

    The one thing in the debate I wish every Democrat would take away from the debate is what Bill Richardson said. “We need to save our ammo for the Republicans.”

    I am disgusted by what is going on today. Supposed Democrats are publically very critical of our members of Congress for failing to move their agenda forward. But why doesn’t anyone remember that the Republicans have vowed to prevent the Democrats from accomplishing anything? The Republicans publically swore an oath to prevent the Democrats from passing ANY legislation by using any and all methods at their disposal.

    Why aren’t we holding the Republicans responsible? They are the ones preventing any action on the Iraq war, they are the ones preventing S-CHIP, they are the ones who swore to prevent the Democrats from passing legislation. Yet we have Democrats calling fellow Democrats spineless whimps.

    You don’t see Republicans doing this. Hell, the Democrats are doing the Republicans dirty work smearing fellow Democrats. (If they are Democrats, which I doubt.) If the Democrats don’t learn to stand by their elected representatives, we will not see a Democrat in the White House or a Democratic Congress for a very long time.

    Stop being Republican tools and stand up for your fellow Democrats.

  • It’s just the horse race. They treat the presidency as a celebrity popularity contest, because, I suppose, that maximizes the ratings. Who wants to talk about those boring old things like issues? Nobody will watch that. What makes American Idol so popular. The talent? Ha! It’s a show. And so is the presidential race. It’s entertainment.

    So just get used to this crap, because it’s going to dominate the media coverage until the 2008 election, after which they’ll move on to the 2012 horse race, with some attention paid to the 2010 races, if they can come up with an angle to make it interesting.

  • This stuff works for her. I’m sorry. They just keep making her stronger.

    Never in my wildest dreams did I think she would be able to come off as the strongest BECAUSE she’s a woman.

    Well played, madame.

  • “So all of those unions endorsing Clinton are wildly uninformed despite having entire staffs that vet candidates? Really? The odds of you having a better handle on that than numerous national and local unions is. . . how many placeholders do I need after the decimal point?”

    Did I say unions endorsing Clinton were uninformed? I can get boilerplate and strawmen from Republicans, thanks.

    If you want to explain why it makes more sense for American labor to hope for a second Clinton administration than an alternative within the Democratic Party, I would actually be interested.

    Bill Clinton has long forged good relationships with much of America’s union leadership which has helped to overcome their misgivings about his and wife’ actual union and economic policies. Senator Clinton’s offer to appoint a pro-union Secretary of Labor seems less inspiring when we recall that her husband did the same thing in appointing Robert Reich. Reich had a record of achievement, but his goals were ultimately undercut by Clinton as he moved rightwards in his second term.

    And that’s not touching any of the other policy areas – global warming, for instance. Clinton and Obama, right now, are offering pretty paltry plans on this issue. Edwards is offering a policy that would completely transform the international status quo, if implemented.

    The liberal blogosphere has been complaining rightly for a while about the corporate media’s focus on triviality over policy, so why not bring the discussion back there, as others on this thread have suggested.

    It goes without saying that Clinton in the White House is preferable to anyone on the Republican ticket, and that a third party run or abstention vote that contributed to Republican victory would be indefensible.

  • Hell it should be obvious. She didn’t play a gender card nor is she playing victim…she is just stating what happened…a statement of facts…that IS what happened. 14 of Russerts 30 questions were to or about Hillary and they were all ambush questions and scenarios. Russert is an ass, just read the Cheney aid’s opinion of leaking info to Russert…they could always count on him to follow their agenda.

    Also, the press needs fodder to make money off the campaigns. Make charges and accusations…sell papers and advertising. Candidates respond…sell papers and advertising. Respond to candidate’s responses…sell papers and advertising. It goes on and on with each new “story” they can come up with, whether facts support it or not. Campaigns are christmas to the media…one big financial gift.

    Clinton is playing person politics not female politics. It’s the person that seeks the WH, the woman is just part of the package. I prefer Kucinich/Edwards but if Clinton gets the nomination I will support her. Any dem is still part of the party platform which is a hell of a lot better than the republican platform. These people don’t get elected to do what they want(unlike Bush), they get elected to do what the ‘people’ want. She’s not an independent, she’s a democrat.

    btw***Feinstein votes republican…AGAIN. The republicans can always count on her.

  • ***ROTF***come to your senses. Clinton Hillbilly is not an independent…she’s a democrat…for her to carry on in Iraq takes the support of her “party”. These presidential hopefuls are still tied to the party platform. They can’t just do what they want. The democratic party platform is much better than the repukes or independent parties so get a grip. Don’t vote for her in the primary but if she gets the nomination realize she’s still a democrat and can’t just go about acting like a republican…the party won’t let her or any of the other dems. These candidates are not campaigning to be dictators. (Bush gets away with it because his administration with Cheney and Gonzales was and is corrupt and acts in secret and unlawfully) Clinton is and never will be a corrupt Bush dictator. So get a grip…geez.

  • I must’ve been watching a different “debate”.

    I saw six candidates shrink and cower in silence when Dennis Kucinich said the Constitution is under attack, the country is in danger of falling and the President and Vice President must be impeached.

    Yet all I hear is something about an attack on Hillary and driver’s licenses for illegals.

    What difference does it make if Hillary was attacked or illegals have driver’s licenses if the Constitution has been shredded?

  • newest polling data showed Barack Obama and John Edwards suffering a “backlash” among female voters — arguing that women rallied to Clinton’s defense because the male candidates went after her.

    lol

    As for the idea that she played ‘the gender card’- ha! Give me a break. Show me a time when men don’t play their own gender card. That’ll really shock me.

  • I believe it was the AFSCME guy who came up with that “six guys against one girl” line. But when he said it he called that a pretty even match. I thought it was a pretty good line myself. I don’t blame her for using it.

  • Maybe the politicos are playing the gender card by calling it the gender card…

    Good point. It is annoying that Republicans have managed to take the term “race card”, which once referred to their own continuous and blatant exploitation of racial prejudice for electoral gain and now use it against African-American candidates or liberals generally who point this out.

    In a Clinton/Giuliani race in 08, we can probably look forward to much whinging about the ‘gender card’ that liberals keep playing against poor, misogynist Republicans and how unfair it all is.

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