Do the Clintons’ tax returns really matter?

For several weeks, the Clinton campaign has been under pressure to release the senator’s tax returns. The more she resisted, and declined to explain the delay, the greater the anticipation. For that matter, announcing that the tax records would be released late on a Friday afternoon only reinforced the notion that these returns were of unique political significance.

But now that the records have been disclosed, I’m not sure what the big deal is. In fact, I don’t know why they didn’t just end the scuttlebutt by releasing the returns earlier.

Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton and former President Bill Clinton released tax data Friday showing they earned $109 million over the last eight years, an ascent into the uppermost tier of American taxpayers that seemed unimaginable in 2001, when they left the White House with little money and facing millions in legal bills.

The bulk of their wealth has come from speaking and book-writing, which together account for almost $92 million, including a $15 million advance — larger than previously thought — from Mr. Clinton’s 2004 autobiography, “My Life.” The former president’s vigorous lecture schedule, where his speeches command upwards of $250,000, brought in almost $52 million.

During that time, the Clintons paid $33.8 million in federal taxes and claimed deductions for $10.2 million in charitable contributions. The contributions went to a family foundation run by the Clintons that has given away only about half of the money they put into it, and most of that was last year, after Mrs. Clinton declared her candidacy.

Mrs. Clinton’s campaign released the eight years of income tax information late Friday, following a rising clamor on the campaign trail for her to follow the lead of her opponent, Senator Barack Obama, who had previously disclosed his tax returns for the same period. In what proved to be an awkward juxtaposition, the disclosure of the records — which revealed the Clintons to be in the top one-hundredth of 1 percent, or roughly 14,500, of all taxpayers — came on the day that Mrs. Clinton called for the creation of a cabinet-level post to tackle poverty.

That last point seems to be the politically salient one. There are some questions about various deductions, but the overarching media narrative this morning seems to be, “The Clintons have made a lot of money.”

I’m just not sure why anyone cares.

The NYT notes that it’s an “awkward juxtaposition” to have Clinton talking about tackling poverty the same day we learn that she and her husband have gone from having huge debts to having considerable wealth. But why is that awkward? Both of the Clintons come from modest means, they worked hard, achieved enormous success, and have been able to do well for themselves over the last eight years.

Are millionaires necessarily unable to care about the poor? From FDR to Bobby Kennedy to John Edwards, we’ve seen plenty of political leaders of means make a commitment to low-income families. The media seems to want to create a disconnect here, but I don’t see it.

The NYT story also hints that the Clintons have not always been charitable enough, and that their donations to charity have “not always kept up with their income.” That seems like a fair question, and it’s up to the Clintons and the campaign to respond, though I think the work of the Clinton Global Initiative speaks very highly of the couple’s commitment to charitable work in the U.S. and around the world.

But it’s the speculation about political implications that seems less fair.

In revealing that she and her husband are millionaires many times over, she may trigger a backlash from her political base — households earning less than $75,000 a year.

In about two weeks she faces a must-win primary in Pennsylvania, where recent census data list the median income as about $44,000. That sum is less than what the Clintons claimed in expenses for “cleaning and maintenance” on their homes.

“We’re heading toward the economic doldrums,” said Democratic strategist Bill Carrick. “It’s a pretty inconvenient time for this to come out.”

Look, if Hillary Clinton were running on a conservative, trickle-down economic platform that benefited the wealthy at the expense of everyone else, I could see why this would be embarrassing. Critics would say, “She’s a millionaire looking out for other millionaires.”

But the reality is the opposite. Yes, the Clintons have amassed considerable wealth, but the senator’s economic plan is premised in part on raising her own taxes quite a bit. Her millions haven’t made her policies less progressive.

So why is this a big deal?

The amount the Clintons is not, and should not, be a big deal. Just wondering why, after assurances that their ’07 returns would be released as well, they are stalling by hinting that they might file an extension.

  • Its only a big deal because Obama supporters can only see evil from the Clintons. On yesterdays Round-up Obama forces were out in force seeing evil on every line of their tax returns.

    Personally I don’t care about any of their tax returns or how much money they have. Not many of you would want your taxes published on-line for everyone to scutinize.

  • ye olde double standard: Poor folk fighting for the rights of poor folk are petty whiners who don’t want to “work for it” and just take take take from the wealthy…get a job, hippies!

    But rich folk fighting for the rights of poor folk? Well, they’re just hypocrites currying for favor from the dumb unwashed masses.

    Oh, and middle class people fighting for the rights of poor folk? Cowards who are afraid they’ll lose what they got so they don’t want to get too cocky and alienate people they’ll have to deal with on the way back down. Invest that energy into working harder, slackers!

    The moral is, if you’re poor, no one is allowed to help you. Not even you. But don’t bitch about it. Whiner. Now shine my shoes with a fine shammy, chop chop.

  • Not many of you would want your taxes published on-line for everyone to scutinize. -Comeback Bill

    Well, to be fair not many of us run for President and therefore have any reason to submit to that level of scrutiny.

    And the only reason the tax returns ever mattered to me was because of the hypocrisy of demanding her former opponents records then refusing to release her own. I never expected anything damning would come out of them.

    They’re smart enough to hide that evidence. 😉

  • It matters not a whit. They made lots o cashola. Good for them!

    Why they dragged this out for so long is beyond me. It gave their detractors (and yes, I support the other guy) stuff to talk about and it gave that air of hmmm…what are they hiding? To me it was foolish and served no purpose except to detract from her. Another less than spectacular decision on the campaign’s part and for what? Nothing.

  • Um, it’s a big deal because we have a long list of corporate and other entities making a sitting US Senator and potential US President very, very rich. I understand that Bill would be a big draw even if Hillary wasn’t potentially the next president, but, still, this is a LOT of money. If I was a voter in PA, I might wonder what obligations the Clinton’s will feel toward those who have been so generous with them.

    It’s all just a bit unseemly. Basically, they can give unlimited amounts to Hillary’s campaign by paying Bill for speeches. It’s neat loophole. I wasn’t going to vote for Hillary anyway for other reasons (it’s the war, stupid) but I just don’t like it.

  • I think the obama supporters have nothing better to say. Damned if she does, damned if she dosent. There is not much to talk about Obama anyway. No experience. Lies. manipulation, and reading out loud David axelrod’s speeches. Not to forget partick duwal’s “words”.

    Obama supporters tend to feel good by putting down hillary. Cos there is nothing worth talking about obama.

  • To me, that’s a lot of money, but it’s almost reasonable considering the scale on which these things are done.

    The real issue now is McCain’s LACK OF REPORTAGE and the free pass the media awards him. Certainly one of his signature issues – he appears to go out of his way to thumb his nose at any accountability. In addition, he has not been released from Public Financing (thanks to gridlock from colleagues like Mitch McConnell) and should be fitted for an orange jumpsuit.

  • I would agree that the amount earned or wealth held has little correlation to policy. The devil, however, is in the details, and I don’t think we know much of them yet.

    Who paid BC $250K to speak? How was charitable money spent – specifically administrative expenses of the Clinton Foundation? What kinds of investments did they make? Were there relationships between these investments and the committee work Hillary was working on? Is there a correlation between investments and sensitive issues like oil, currency, or investment banks? I just think it’s too early to say whether it matters or not.

  • So why is this a big deal?

    The Clintons are a public spectacle. They are a freak show nonpareil.

    One rants: “Shame on you Barack Obama!” out of one side of her piehole and then swaggers on stage like Bush in his flightsuit: It wasn’t “tea on the tarmac” with a cute little know-it-all shrug.
    One shakes his right index finger at us with scorn: “I did not have sex with that woman!”
    While his left hand uses a cigar to hoist her on his petard.

    What can be more entertaining than that?

    Well suppose… these two clowns try to win the nomination without having a surfeit of pledged delegates? Without having a surfeit of votes? How cool a hot media show will that be? Bill’s having another red-faced meltdown… Run the piece. Hillary is saying the black boy can’t win because his middle name is Hussien? Run the headlines. Clintons argue they own the democrat party. Publish it. We must honor thy Clinton tomfoolery. We must honor thy Clinton outrageousness. Clintons argue we owe them a living because the media makes a living off of them? Post it baby. Just win baby.

    Do you see it now?
    The Clintons are tragi-comedic clowns and all the world is their stage.
    Spectacle. Royalty. Buffoonery: The Bush and Clinton crime families.
    They really ought to intermarry. Talk about spectacle… Imagine a Chelsea and Pierce Bush offspring…
    That thing would be born to be President. A true natural. All the right stuff….

  • Some have speculated that they finally released their income numbers to distract from their not releasing their fundraising numbers.

  • you don’t know why???!! I have one word for you -except for the words I am using to tell you about ‘the’ word and it is: John Edwards!!
    Make that 2 words except of course for the other words …..
    It is hard to approach the poor slobs of this country with 100 millions smackaroos in your pockets while claiming you know/feel their pains …
    NOW YOU KNOW!!!!!

  • No, the tax returns don’t matter.

    That said, why take so long to release them? And why dump them on a Friday afternoon, as if they were a resignation announcement from someone in the Bush “justice” department? It almost makes me think the Clintons are ashamed of their new-found wealth!

    On the one hand, main-street Republicans and some “Christians” admire people who make a lot of money. Maybe these tax returns will soften their Clinton-hatred. Other Republicans will just look down their long, patrician noses at the disclosure of the Clintons’ wealth. After all, the Clintons are only nouveau riche.

  • I wonder how much fundraising money for Mrs. Clinton is coming from Colombia…let’s check!! Where is a Penn when you need one?

  • These two used the Whitehouse to build a personal treasure. They need to find something useful to do, like Carter and Gore. Can’t wait ’till their a$$ are whipped and we don’t have to see their hypocritical faces in the media anymore.

  • Does anyone pay attention?:

    Clinton’s “donated” $10.6m to their OWN non profit
    This non profit only gave out money once H. Clinton started to campaign for president.
    The donations went towards groups which had significant voting influence.

    Doesn’t that strike anyone else as disgusting dastardly politics?

  • The Obamas never made two million in ANY year and most years they made about $240,000 combined. That’s REAL LIFE. 20 million a year and 109 million earned is completely distant from ANY kind of normal reality. There are couples all over the US making $240,000 a year and they might be doing fine but they are in no way rich. If I had earned 109 million you better believe HALF of it would have gone to charity cause it is much easier to give when you are RICH cause you don’t need the money to pay for your kids’ college fund, pay for their elementary/secondary schools, pay off your student loans, support your mother in law, pay for your children’s dance lessons/recitals- that is what Americans do everyday just like the Obamas. What do you think the Clintons do with the kind of money they make? You will make all kinds of excuses for them- then wonder why Washington is CORRUPT. That’s because you don’t know the difference between a couple who has less than a three million dollar net worth and one that has 109 million dollar net worth. It is the Obamas that are the closest to being back into the working class- the Clintons have many rungs to fall before this ever happens. Good luck with your vote for another corrupt politician. You don’t make money like that AND have clean hands. You just don’t.

  • Wellstone:

    You are really naive or blinded by your bias. Check on what other former presidents have made for money after leaving office and other cabinet officers for that matter.

    You can’t be rich at some point in your life and have a desire to help those less fortunate? How about Franklin Delano Roosevelt or John F. Kennedy to mention two former presidents who tried and had quite a bit of personal wealth.

    Do you question Obama’s desire to purchase and live in a million dollar plus house?

    Take the blinders off and rid yourselves of biases.

  • Jimmy Carter is an ex-president, has written many books, speaks extensively … does he charge as much per speech as Clinton does?

    What is offensive is the hubris of saying, “I’m going to charge enough money to amass multiple millions of dollars, just for people to listen to me talk, because I am that special and because I can.” There is no reason reflected by the tax returns to charge that much money to speak except greed.

    I’m not against making money so long as one does it honestly and honorably. Giving speeches is not an honorable way to earn multiple millions of dollars. I don’t care what you did before. I don’t care that people will pay it. WWJD (What would Jimmy do)?

  • So, the Clintons are rich. Do we want for President, someone poor, someone who hasn’t been able to make money, someone who is poor because they weren’t able to function through a rich-white-old-men “system” to then “lead” our country???

    I’m not sure, but I imagine the answer is somewhere near the rich end of the spectrum???

  • Bill made millions of dollars from Cayman island partnerships. The details behind those transactions should see the light of day. Also, Bill has said he divested from those partnerships in 2007 so there should be a lot to talk about when the 2007.

    From a practical standpoint, however, I think nothing will come of this. It is too complicated for the MSM to render down to a two minute report.

  • When I hear BClinton is getting $250K+ for speeches, I’m thinking that the shady telepreachers are not all that bad. Who is really paying for these speeches? Are those who really pay even invited/allowed at the speeches? When a corporation springs for one of these speeches, the money is coming indirectly from the employees daycare fund or somesuch, not from management salaries.

  • Only the Ron Burkle part will end up being the big deal. It’ll be interesting to see what, if anything develops along these lines.

    The book deals are legit, and even if there is dirt swept under the rug of the speaking engagements, it probably won’t stick.

    Burkle’s $15 million in contributions, on the other hand, is tied into this whole pay-to-play political game that the Clinton’s have mastered. Mixing big business with politics. There’s nothing criminal about this . . .that I know of 😉
    however when contrasted with Obama’s million $25 donors, it wouldn’t breed confidence in a working person. At least, it shouldn’t. She may be able to skate by on the old white woman identity politics thing.

  • Your lucky that they even released them. Had it been me I would have told you to go suck a lemon because its none of your business. Whether or not Bill Clinton makes 250k for a speech is not anyones business except the ones that are paying him. That said most all elected officials are millionaires because of campaign finance reform the middle class person cannot run for public office other than locally.

  • Charging large fees would be greed if the Clintons did not donate the money to their charitable foundation. Failure to charge large fees would be interpreted as “no one wants to pay to hear the former president speak” and he would look like some of the Republicans who have left office recently and have been laughed at because they cannot get even $30,000 to speak. Further, Clinton is a good speaker and a charismatic guy, so his speeches are probably entertaining, and the weight of the presidency adds gravitas to an event.

    A charitable foundation does not give away all of its money. Some remains as an endowment to generate interest to fund future giving.

    It would be within their rights to keep all of the money for their personal use. Being politicians and people genuinely concerned with public good, they keep enough to live well on and use the rest to further their own goals. I don’t see what is wrong with that, whether their goals are political or philanthropic. It is their money, earned legitimately.

    Someone above seems to think that Obama is noble because no one wants to pay him $250,000 to speak. He hasn’t done anything that merits a speaking fee like that. When he is former president (if that happens), then he will have something to say that is worth that kind of money. Now, he is just a junior senator and former state legislator, one of many, and he hasn’t got memories or experiences sufficient to generate a high fee.

  • The last time I checked the requirements for being president is to be 35 years old, lived in the US for at least 14 years, and a US citizen. Our founding fathers didn’t see the need to add to those requirements and I bet they were alot more forward thinking than WE are. It was their idea that just about EVERY decent American citizen was fit to serve this country and you know what- I think they were correct on this one. This isn’t a country of “royalty” or a “ruling class”- we an end to that in the Revolutionary War. So why can’t “poor” people be elected to office in this democracy.

  • Obama’s list of contributors lists five Wall Street firms and three insurance companies.

  • What is really SAD about this is she LOANED her campaign 5 million dollars. She wasn’t even willing to GIVE her campaign 5 million dollars or even more. It is something unseemly about that because right now on her website there are people on fixed incomes trying to finance her campaign, there are people running up HUGE credit card debt trying to finance her campaign and she HAS 109 MILLION DOLLARS or more. Her actions reminds me of all the corrupt televangelists who fleece their congregations- asking them to send in $10 for a “prayer cloth.” Terrible!

  • Our founding fathers didn’t see the need to add to those requirements and I bet they were alot more forward thinking than WE are. -Sidmore

    Yeah, I can’t imagine why the founders never thought to include releasing tax returns in their requirements for President. No clue at all.

    Your lucky that they even released them. Had it been me I would have told you to go suck a lemon… -Comeback Bill

    Maybe that’s what Rick Lazio should’ve told Hills when she demanded he release his tax returns.

    It’s the hypocrisy that chafes our grits.

  • Are millionaires necessarily unable to care about the poor? From FDR to Bobby Kennedy to John Edwards, we’ve seen plenty of political leaders of means make a commitment to low-income families. The media seems to want to create a disconnect here, but I don’t see it.

    It’s all in the timing CB.

    If Hillary had announced a “poverty czar” early in her campaign, I would not have questioned her sincerity. But when she makes this announcement on the same day that she releases her tax returns, which illustrate that she is now among the super-duper wealthy, well, forgive me for being skeptical.

  • JustSayin wrote, “Basically, [corporations] can give unlimited amounts to Hillary’s campaign by paying Bill for speeches. It’s a neat loophole.

    Actually…not to her campaign, but directly to the Clinton’s themselves.

    Excellent point!

  • The rich get richer while the poor get poorer! I wonder if its fair to say the clintons got richer while the poor got poorer. It seems like a self fulfilling technique developed by them to prove the the orginal point. Bunnimc

  • Sorry, but many of the comments above seem to confirm all the shades of Clinton Derangement Syndrome. Evidently for CDS cases it is necessary to remove any traces of thoughtful appraisal – Oh, I forgot. “Nuance” is Senator Clinton’s problem/crime/disease. We can’t have that.

    But just to rub noses in it, here are a few “nuanced” considerations:
    1. Should the Clintons’ income be compared to that of other former presidents or to that of the Average American? I have read 3-4 news stories which compared the Clintons’ wealth to average income, but none that researched the wealth of other former presidents.
    2. Are the Clintons’ assets derived from inherited wealth, access to restricted hedge funds or their own labor? More than half of the total derived from speaking engagments on the road all over the world, plus income from books that they wrote, plus (smallest part) a Senator’s salary. How would the riches of Bush senior or junior look in comparison?
    3. As for charity, as I read it, the Clintons formed one or more charitable foundations after they paid off their bills, which apparently took a few years, then, as is usual for foundations, made small outlays in order to build up endowment, and only after that began to make substantial contributions to the foundations’ charitable purposes. The amount that the Clintons contributed to the foundations during this period is the amount that should be counted, not the amount that ultimately went to charitable causes.

  • Steve, you seem a civil sort… why don’t you ban trolls like ROTFLMLiberalAO?
    It’s ok to love your candidate, but making an enemy of one of our own is counter productive, and it is alienating half the progressives in this country.

  • A quick check on line shows that former President Jimmy Carter’s speaking fees range from $50k – $75k…and speaking of charity and giving back after stepping down….he embodies true christian principles of caring for the poor. The Clintons have every right to enjoy the fruits of their labor but I like what Danp had to say about who’s paying $250k…that’s a lot of talking (any dancing with that too?)

  • My my – symptoms of CDS on display all over today.

    Well-paid public speaking is what a lot of ex-pols do. This is not a scandal.

    Most of the Democrats in the Senate have similar wealth – Cantwell or Corzine, anyone? – so this “is it contrary to Democratic principles to be so rich” type arguments essentially suggest we should gut the entire party (and if no rich people supported Democratic ideals, by the way, we’d get our asses kicked by the R’s every cycle).

    What should be most encouraging to all is that the Clintons actually paid 31% in taxes. Find me a Republican who does that. People like Ken Lay and Jeff Skilling were finding ways to pay no taxes on millions in income. It is very Democratic to actually pay your share, which the Clintons appear to have done.

  • …and he hasn’t got memories or experiences sufficient to generate a high fee

    Well, Mary, at least Obama’s post-presidential memories will be based in reality, as opposed to the delusions of Hillary “Sniper Fire” Clinton.

  • This isn’t hard.

    The question isn’t whether rich people can care about the poor. We know they can.

    The question is what companies giving Bill Clinton hundreds of thousands of dollars for a 30-minute motivational speech might want in return if his wife gets to the White House. Bill Clinton is not, as some here are arguing, an “ex-pol.” He’s an ex-president who’s trying to get his spouse into the presidency.

    It’s called influence peddling. And the Clintons didn’t invent it. But they’re getting really, really good at practicing it.

  • The issue is not the tax returns; it is what those returns bring to light. More than $10 million went into the Clinton’s own charity—thus qualifying as tax-exempt. A significantly-small portion of that money has been dispensed, and the vast bulwark of that donation was made immediately prior to Clinton declaring her candidacy.

    In most financial circles, this would be labeled “a shell game;” the hiding of taxable earnings in front-corporations. Some might choose to call it “another example of Clinton Derangement Syndrome.” I choose to call it by another name: possible tax evasion.

    Or do we now say that the standards we hold dear; the standards so oft-times flaunted, ignored, and trampled by the Right, should no longer apply to those on the Left?

  • Mark Pencil, @40

    Doesn’t even have to be CDS; plain, ordinary — and rather common — envy will do. The green-eyed monster is alive and well…

    But for that very reason, the timing of the release — so close to the PA primary — is a tad unfortunate, since PA really is in a downward spiral financially and the numbers will be mind-boggling to someone who’s making do on 50K a year. She really ought to have released the whole bundle long ago, the first time someone asked. This way, on top of the extra scrutiny the returns are getting due to the past excitement, there’s also the suspicion that the extra time had been spent scrubbing the worst bits off.

  • How ironic that while Hillary voices her criticism of the Bush tax cuts she has benefited most from them – tax cuts that have transferred more wealth to the richest one percent of the population than any fiscal policies in history.

    “After President Bush’s tax cuts of 2002, the couple’s tax burden, as a percentage of overall income, dropped from about 37 percent in 2001, settling to about 30 percent during the tax years 2003 to 2006.”

    It’s good to know that Hillary and Bill are part of the richest one percent of Americans who currently earn about 17 percent of the national income and own about 40 percent of the nation’s wealth.

    It’s good to know that the Clinton’s have reaped the benefits from the pro-corporate neoliberal economic polices enacted by Bill Clinton. Policies that have helped make the US the wealthiest nation on earth with the widest gap between rich and poor of any industrialized nation.

    Yes Hillary you are absolutely correct… lobbyists “represent real Americans.”

    They represent YOU…the RICHEST ONE PERCENT and CEO’s of American multinational corporations – whose salaries rose 14 percent, making the average take-home pay more than 13 million. That’s more than eight-five times the pay of the average hourly worker.

    So much for being the champion of the blue collar working class.

  • I don’t expect our “guardians” to live as called for in Plato’s Republic.

    And I don’t care if the Clintons made $109 million since leaving office either. More power to them. As long as they’re providing legally acceptable goods or services for whatever market wants to pay for them, no skin off my butt.

    What does chafe me are people who make gazillions while in office, i.e., the Bush Crime Family (and their enablers in Congress and their arms lobbyists). I thought, when the public made its demands clear in the 2006 elections, that we were going to reprise the Truman commission on war profiteering. Instead, two years later, the occupation of Iran continues, with the only change being al-Sadr’s order to quit killing as many Americans.

    With the cost of the quagmire now estimated to be $3 trillion, somebody’s getting away with an awful lot of murder, mahem and plunder, and so far as I know it isn’t the Clintons.

  • Ed Stephan (46): Now don’t get ahead of yourself. We haven’t invaded Iran yet.

  • I knew if the Clinton’s released their tax returns people would start bitching/whinning/complaining/making sly asides/and insisting they release more a minute later.

    And I’ve seen all that here.

    But what was really galling was CNN saying “why does Senator Clinton want to repeal Bush’s tax cuts, she’ll have to pay so much more in taxes”.

    Apparantly, a sense of obligation to the country is lacking in Atlanta, GA.

  • For those that were expecting to dig up some dirt from the Clintons’ tax return and invade their privacy over-n-over, better luck next time. Any former president could have made as much (or much more) than the Clintons because the magnet comes with the territory. If Obama was the president, i’m sure his book (s) will get millions. Again, it comes with the territory. And, furthermore, he may get financial advice, as well as, business offers that can
    generate millions more. There’s wrong doing…and it’s legit!

    What’s odd is how Obama and his supporters attempt to dig up dirt from the Clintons’ past and ATTACK them from every end. hmhmhmhm… If this is not a personal ATTACK, I don’t know what is. But that’s not OK if the table were to turn around. That’s ignorant!

    For those that compares the Clintons’s income after Bill’s presidency versus your own, I’d suggest that you compare the Clintons’ income when Bill was the governor of Arkansar versus Obama’s income as he is now a Senator. That ought to brighten your horizon. Wake-up! The higher you climb the greater your return! It’s same a promotion for any hourly workers. I got a 9% pay raise when I got promoted…and because I work hard and smart. So don’t let anyone intimidate you because you make less than the wealthy few. That’s how people become successful!

    Lastly, I’m a minority and am making a leaving like most Americans. That’s who we are. And not some private investigator. We ought to vote for a democrat that can get this country on it’s economic up-turn and one who can fix our social security income.

  • People are voting for the Clintons of the 1990s but those people no longer exist. The Clintons today are surrounded by fatcats and lobbyists. Clinton has a lot more in common with McCain and Bush than she does with Obama, including her vote for the war. Hillary’s presidency will benefit the rich associates who are paying for her campaign, just like Bush’s presidency has. Haven’t we had enough of living in an oligarchy? No more Bush/Clinton!

  • Nothing I’ve heard about the Clinton’s tax returns adds to the long list of reasons I couldn’t stand them last week. If that sounds like CDS, fine; they’re what cause the syndrome. I came into this primary season thinking she might turn out okay but she’s erased all doubts.

  • This matters not a pip to me, nor do Obama’s tax returns. The Clintons did not start out rich but now they are… so what?! And how wealthy are the other former Presidents, do we think? I doubt that any of them are in the poorhouse. I hope Obama and his base, the MSM, find what they’re looking for so we can get the witchhunt over with.

  • I hope Obama and his base, the MSM, find what they’re looking for so we can get the witchhunt over with. -Becca

    You know, the words ‘witch hunt’ are a little over the top. How about ‘hypocrisy purge?’

  • Just one thought on this: The right wingers tried to break Clinton financially. How much money did Paula Jones demand to make her case go away? It was almost like they wanted to punish him for daring to get elected. So now he’s made a lot of money — and right-wingers are complaining? Right wingers? The people who worship money and believe you can pretty much do anything to get it?

    Please. Clinton may have his faults, but the fact that he’s out of office and making money isn’t one of them. And, as far as I know, Clinton has yet to take a dime from the Rev. Sun Myung Moon, who practically owns Bush I.

  • It is hardly the case that the Clintons earned such high speaking fees and book payments through mere “hard work.” This is the fruit of their time in the White House, which established their name recognition and interest value. Indeed, for at least one of the books (It Takes A Village…) a ghost writer did lots of the work. Bill and Hill have been capitalizing on their notoriety, just as they are doing in her candidacy, and no doubt they’ll do more in years to come.

    To judge character, don’t condemn wealth accumulation. But do look at the person’s life priorities and how they choose to use their opportunities. These two could have pursued a passionate and urgent cause like Al Gore. What they have been mainly pushing passionately is themselves.

  • The most important concept that I am looking for in our next President is the ability to interpret various issues that arise that affect our economic welfare and our ability to maintain what use to be our integrity. Our country has lost something that use to make us the envy of other countries and that was our ability to care about people less fortunate than ourselves and our integrity. I have voted for almost forty years and my heart is breaking for our countrymen/women as well as others who have been in contact with the policies of this Bush Administration. I am totally embarrassed and heartbroken, because they simply have no integrity but they have lots of money and disdain for everyone else.

  • Morbo, @54,

    Good to see that your wrist is better; does it mean that, come next Saturday, Steve B can sleep in?

    Regarding your argument that the Clintons haven’t taken a dime from the Loon Moon, while Bush the Previous had… That’s a specious, neither here nor there, argument.

    There’s absolutely no reason why sources of loot should overlap, when the ideologies don’t. Sure, some segments of the scum population *will* hedge their bets (K-St) and their contributions will flow to both camps (vide Murdoch) but that’s not always the case. For example: how much money did Kazakhstan contribute to either of the Bushes?

    I’m sure that very long lists could be assembled — on both sides of the political fence — of who *didn’t* contribute to which candidate… It’s who *did* buy a piece of a politician that’s far more indicative (as well as interesting).

  • I loved Sat. Night Live tonight. I think they clearly let the media know how stupid they are. The media was surprised that the Clintons had so much money. My God, several years ago when Bill wrote his book and then Hillary wrote her book, the media was all over the story telling people how much they made. Now, they are surprised! No, they are stupid and controlled by something other than common sense.

  • I can sense a few sour-grapes here but then, it’s understandable. I too feel a little sour with my less than $75k a year job. But the millions of Clintons should not be an issue or distraction in Hillary’s plan to revive the economy, creating more jobs and possibly, bring back the good old booming days when Bill Clinton was the President. I’m not interested in change that has no definition. I’m also not interested in speeches that bring no reality to today world. Race issues will be eternal until the end of the world. Obama used it to start his quest for presidency and that to me is perfectly all right. I only felt angry when his camp start accused others for political gains. I’m interested in concrete plans, the details if possible on how my children will be looking after. I would like my children to look at Chelsea Clinton as a role model, who is able to think on her own, act responsibly and put America first before themselves. I don’t earn a lot but that will not stop me from thinking reasonably on the motivation of Hillary to seek a presidential office. My assessment is that she is doing it for one reason – To do something for Americans. Ask yourself a question. If you have $109 millions, money that could last you for many generations. Would you offer yourself, your spouse and your daughter to face public scrutiny and got insulted? Come on America, it’s a duty call – a call that every capable Americans ought to respond. I can buy into Obama’s offer but I think the starting point for Clintons is more noble and easy to understand. Hillary is a worker who will bring results, and I hope people of Pennsylvania will share my assessment. Hillary 08.

  • Everytime Clinton uses the terms “We and Us ” or the phrase ” I feel your pain” I want to puke. This Rich B**** has no idea what we are going through and her tax returns are further proof. The women of America supporting her because she’s a woman need to look at the facts. She isn’t like them, she can’t identify with their daily struggles of home, family, job & making ends meet. Wake up America she’s pulling the wool over your eyes.

  • Putting HRC and John Edwards in the same boat with FDR and the Kennedies is borderline insulting.

    The former talk a good game, the latter “walked the walk”.

    Edwards, like HRC apparently set up charities only when they run for office and when they do, the efficacy is middling, to be charitable.

    HRC has been for NAFTA until she’s been against it. (She IS still against it this week, right?)
    How has that been progressive in anyone’s opinion but hers?

    John Edwards hedge fund ties have been linked to predatory lending while handing out a few million with the charity he used to back his rhetoric. The progressive kick only started when hardcore progressive Joe Trippi joined on as his capaign manager. (I never understood THAT move. Where’s your BS detector, Joe?)

    One question that comes to MY mind….
    At 109 million, why did Hil give herself a 5 million dollar LOAN?
    Would it kill her to put some of her own money on the line or does she lack that little bit of commitment to her own worthiness for office?

    A player with no skin in the game, while not uncommon in politics, is still to be viewed with a skeptical eye.

  • I don’t care how much money Bill legally earns. Yes, Hillary benefits, so what? If Obama becomes president, he too will reap the rewards after his service. Michelle will benefit as well. Then if Michelle then enters politics,……… This is a total non-issue used by the press to imply that Hillary is corrupt, or doesn’t care for ordinary Americans – which is bullshit.

    The press should instead look into McCain’s past and present lifestyle, and the riches brewed from Cindy’s beer fortune. If it weren’t for the uncontrolled drug ethanol (beer), McCain wouldn’t be the nominee. McCain is a back-bench legislator, an unintelligent, uninformed, belligerent curmudgeon who’s riding high due to the weakness of overworked American need to self medicate. He’s the blow-hard that ordinary Republicans have chosen to represent their group hatred on a national scale. You can see the hatred on his face. Republicans go for that.

    I don’t consider men who bomb innocents to be heros. They’re war criminals. He wouldn’t willingly leave his prison in Vietnam. I get it. He likes pain; he likes to inflict pain. He’s a nut-job, and he’s really just an opportunist, as Dean quite rightly accuses.

  • I don’t mind that the Clintons made all that money, especially if they were relatively broke after leaving the white house (although I heard they bagged some good silverware). The issues are 1) Romney at least used his own money and everyone knew how rich he was so they didn’t feel sorry for him and send money. Even though he has a bazillion kids he chose to use his money to try to run. I am a liberal so this is about the only thing nice I will say about the guy because I don’t like his platform. So I feel really bad for the blue-collar workers sending in their hard-earned cash to support poor Hillary.
    and the other issue is 2) from whom did the Clintons earn their money. Actually this is the most important issue, and what kind of favors did it buy them (see Dubai ports, and Columbian trade deals etc).

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