Downplaying the fears of a ‘plural presidency’

At this point in the process, we’ve all heard plenty of reasons detractors oppose Hillary Clinton’s presidential campaign, but historian Garry Wills, whom I usually find extremely persuasive, offers an argument in the NYT today that doesn’t really work for me.

As Wills sees it, if Clinton is elected, her husband is likely to “use his experience in an energetic way if he re-enters the White House as the first spouse.”

Mrs. Clinton claims that her time in that role was an active one. He can hardly be expected to show less involvement when he returns to the scene of his time in power as the resident expert. He is not the kind to be a potted plant in the White House.

Which raises an important matter. Do we really want a plural presidency?

Wills notes the basis of the historical debate among the Founding Fathers, who deliberately wanted the powers of the executive branch vested in an individual. There were some who raised fears about an excessively-powerful president, and there was talk about a “multiple-member executive,” but this was rejected — a plural president could find it easier to escape accountability.

Wills adds that Bush has loosely embraced the notion of a plural presidency, by giving Cheney “his own executive department, with its own intelligence and military operations, not open to scrutiny…. No other vice president in our history has taken on so many presidential prerogatives, with so few checks.”

That’s true, but I don’t quite see the connection between these concerns and those of Bill Clinton returning to the White House.

At this point, no one really has a sense of what BC would do during HRC’s presidency. He’s said he wouldn’t sit in on cabinet meetings, which sounds right, and said he’d “do whatever is asked” of him, which also sounds right.

The Cheney comparison doesn’t really hold up. For one thing, there’s no reason to think President Clinton (44) would give President Clinton (42) any kind of executive-branch authority whatsoever. Cheney, at least, is an elected constitutional officer. BC’s position would be largely ceremonial. If HRC were to grant BC inappropriate powers, there would be political consequences. If BC were to be involved in some kind of wrong doing, there could be legal consequences.

So, what’s the real fear here? That there could be some question of accountability? I don’t see it — the president (the current president) is always going to be responsible. If HRC is elected, the buck will stop with her. Wills describes a scenario in which a leader could hide behind a co-leader, but how would this work with the Clintons, exactly? If there’s a functioning legislative branch, there’s no reason to believe another Clinton administration would get away with anything, just because a former president is living in the White House.

Of course, some might also argue that this could be a campaign detriment — voters may be uncomfortable with this kind of arrangement. I don’t think that’s true, either. Bill Clinton’s stature may have taken a hit lately after he became a little too, shall we say, enthusiastic about his role as an attack dog, but he remains a very popular figure. The article isn’t online anymore, but the LAT recently ran an item quoting voters who seemed quite enamored with the idea of a Clinton combo in the White House.

“I like the package,” said Brad Kusel, 68, who drove 100 miles with his wife, Nancy, to hear Bill Clinton speak.

Mike Kelley, a 49-year-old farmer, said he was undecided about whom to support for president. He had attended a speech by Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.) recently and liked what he heard. But he also thought Bill Clinton’s experience would be an asset to his wife.

“It’s a plus,” he said. “Two minds are better than one. It’s like any husband and wife. You tap each other for information and help.”

I’ve seen some plausible arguments to oppose Clinton’s campaign, but this doesn’t seem like one of them.

This is just one more of the Andrew Sullivan type tactics used in an attempt to alarm the voters. From day one it has been a “reach” for these people to seek any
suggestion, no matter how outrageous, that would stick on the wall. It’s a very subtle way to slime Hillary by pseudointellectuals . Most of it comes from individuals who were wrong on most everything political.( i.e. Sullivan). As a matter of fact, the article Steve is relating to appeared very prominately on Sullivan’s Blog this AM. He’s a big Hillary hater. So much so that a great many readers now question his true motives. I think he’s an agent of the Far Right who sees Obama as the weakest candidate in the Dem Party . Funny! That guy who voted for Bush twice, praised him no end is now promoting a Dem. The Dish dishes the Dirt. For sure!

  • The vehemence and anger shown by Hillary haters detracts from any real issues they may have.
    In this century, with gender equality almost a reality, any married president will have a powerful spouse contributing. In this case it’d be Bill, who did a pretty good job in his 8 years… so how can America be damaged by that?

  • Americans have a long history of choosing the wives of former officeholders to the same office as a way of continuing the would-be dynasty. Here are some examples:

    “Ma” Ferguson, 29th and 32nd governor of Texas, wife of impeached governor James Edward “Pa” Ferguson.

    Lurleen Wallace, 46th governor of Alabama, wife of race-baiting governor George Wallace.

    Lindy Boggs, congresswoman from Louisiana, wife of House majority leader Hale Boggs who died in an airplane crash. Mrs. Boggs served with distinction, and was elected to her seat eight times.

    Jean Carnahan and Muriel Humphrey both were appointed to serve in the US Senate after the deaths of their husband.

    There are probably other examples as well.

  • She’ll put him in charge of health care. 🙂

    I’m sure she’ll let Bill know who is boss when she’s the Prez.

    In some sense, having Hillary win the White House would feel like a victory over the wingnuts unlike any other. It would be like the impeachers didn’t win the 90’s.

  • Bush-Clinton-Clinton-Bush-Bush … Clinton-Clinton, 1992 – 2016.

    Too third world, too filled with inevitable restoration thinking, starting with the old king giving a boost to the prospective new king (or queen, in this case). Bush 41 did it by working behind the scenes to insure W was supported by every R insider in America. Bill C is doing it in a very different way, but doing it.

    A self-evidently, inherently bad idea.

    HRC and, for that matter, Jeb should be ineligible until 2020.

  • there’s something quite disturbing about the way hillary’s campaign is going down, with her husband already playing the VP ‘attack dog’ role. i’ve heard apologists say he’s just coming to his wife’s defense like any good husband would do, and to that i say, in the spirit of my town Chicago, “who you crappin'”?

    we don’t need another proxy president, like the one we currently have. hillary better make it clear who’s wearing the pants in that family, because i doubt many americans will cotton to ambiguity.

  • After the past two weeks of WJC on campaign trail how can anyone paying attention not have questions or concerns about what Bill’s role in the white house will be. I think clinton fatigue will become more of a factor as the campaign progresses.

  • Steve,
    I agree–I usually find Wills persuasive, and I just scratched my head at this one. The way he raises Cheney in this context argues against having a vice president, not against having Bill Clinton in the White House. While there may be good reasons to get rid of the institution of the vice presidency, it’s certainly hard for Will to make that argument at the same time that he is arguing a one-person executive is a good idea because the founding fathers really thought this Constitution thing through.

    And you’re absolutely right that a President Hillary Clinton would be accountable by herself to Congress, no matter who she is married to.

    I think Bill Clinton would have an outsized influence in a Hillary Clinton White House. How one feels about that depends on how one felt about Bill Clinton’s presidency, not on fears of the Constitutional implications of a co-presidency.

  • I am not a HRC fan (and even less so of late) but so what if BC takes on roles in the White House? I seem to remember a robust economy, peace, and generally a good period in time when he was president. As much as I don’t like what’s going on in this campaign, our country could do alot worse than a BC redux. Actually, we have done worse, for seven years now.

    That said, I’d have to blow my brains out if I had to listen to blow job shit 24/7. And goopers are nothing if not against sex (unless it’s them having it with underage boys or prostitutes – or in bathroom stalls apparently [tap tap tap…is this thing on?]) and god help anyone who is actually, gasp, having some and enjoying it.

  • When Bush Jr. was running no one paid any attention to the things his dd did as president so why is Bill getting so much attention when Hillary is running? Maybe it’s because Bush Sr. didn’t live with Bush jr in the WH they way Bill will with Hilary. Thank God, because Bush sr. probably would have strangled jr.

    Still, I think it is like getting 2 for the price of 1 as they both would be deeply involved with the issues and bring a lot of experience and knowledge together to hash out good ideas.
    If Repubs hate it that much then it must be good.

  • Okie,

    Somehow I don’t see Hillary Clinton as an appendage of her husband. He didn’t dictate her senate votes. I can’t see him telling her how to do anything. I suspect they agree on many policy issues.

    Are you trying to repeat the rationale for women not being allowed to have the vote – their husbands would dictate how they voted? Even from the grave.

    Wives aren’t the only ones to get a boost. The late Ms Bhutto rose to power after the death of her father. Bobby Kennedy’s popularity was also connected to his brother, as is Ted’s.

  • There are many reasons I don’t want to see Hillary Clinton elected president, but this is quite a weak argument against her.

    A more alarming case might be if Laura Bush ran for president and we might rightfully fear that she would be a figure head for a third Bush term.

    In Hillary Clinton’s case she is clearly a candidate who stands on her own, not as figurehead for another term for Bill. There might be plenty of reasons for any individual not to want this combination back in the White House, but it is a stretch to argue that there are Constitutional questions here or that it violates the intents of the founding fathers.

  • If multiple family members serving as President was against the intent of the Founding Fathers, someone should have mentioned it to John Adams, revolutionary leader in Massachusetts, first Vice-President (i.e. it doesn’t get much more founding than being in the first administration), second President and father of the sixth President.

  • Zeitgeist,

    The argument against Bill and Hillary might be a little stronger than against John Adams since Bill and Hillary would both be living in the White House together. Regardless it is a weak argument as Hillary would have all the Constitutional authority as president. Bill might be given some official duties, he will certainly make some noise, but he will have zero official power on his own.

  • I’m also perplexed by the source – Garry Wills’ essays on various topics in the NY Review of Books are consistently well above average.

    I learned from my son some years ago when he had to pick a president and do an essay that Mr. and Mrs. Polk were co-presidents. I believe it was an administration with lots of accomplishments even though some of them may be controversial.

    Who wouldn’t think Mrs. Elizabeth Edwards would play a significant role?

    Everytime Hillary breathes it’s further evidence that she’s Satan come to earth – I’m so sorry Garry Wills seems to have caught the fever.

  • That the Clintons remain popular proves that Mencken was right about how not to go broke in America.

  • How is Hillary Clinton campaigning anything third-worldly?

    She’s spend how many years on her own as a Senator? How many has Obama?

    Is there any sign that she’s merely stepping in from the void?

    It’s a dumb argument.

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