Equating dissent and terrorism

Depending on one’s perspective, the release of the latest video from Osama bin Laden could have been yet another embarrassment for the White House. The man the president vowed to get “dead or alive” is still alive, threatening the United States, and mocking our efforts. Security measures that were supposed to be in place years ago are still waiting to be put in place. For some, the video is a reminder of a war on terror that’s been poorly executed for far too long.

Or, perhaps you’re a conservative with a slightly different perspective.

* MSNBC’s Chris Matthews told his national television audience that the terrorist responsible for 9/11 “sounds like an over the top Michael Moore here, if not a Michael Moore.”

* The far-right New York Post editorial board wrote, “Who writes [bin Laden’s] stuff — Howard Dean? John Murtha? Sure sounds like it.”

* Fox News’ John Gibson told his audience, “[bin Laden] is talking to America’s far left and saying, ‘You know what. We’re on the same side. So why don’t you work on that hardhead George W. Bush?’ Bin Laden told us Thursday that our far left has been working for him.”

This is what political discourse in post-9/11 America has come to. These aren’t just far-right bloggers popping off on Free Republic; these are high-profile, well-paid, widely-seen ideologues who purport to be journalists. They have a meme — the left is weak — and a megaphone, and they’re not about to let facts get in the way of perfectly good demagoguery.

For too much of the right, liberals aren’t wrong, we’re evil. We support treason. There aren’t different approaches to fighting a war against terrorism — there’s Bush’s way. And to stand against Bush’s agenda is to stand with al Qaeda. Period.

Indeed, to suggest there’s a “debate” underway is foolish. We have one group of people who meekly rely on facts and evidence, and another which relies on slander. Political discourse this is not.

I suspect the goal is to bully the left into submission. “If you’ll only agree to say we’re right,” the rights argues, “then we’ll stop calling you terrorist sympathizers. Unless there’s an election coming up, in which case we’ll have to say it anyway. Nothing personal.”

Call it a hunch, but I don’t think we’re going away that easily.

Are you kidding me, hey I got an idea why don’t we just tag liberals? That way we know where they are all the time? This arguement shows that even people with tiny little minds can be on the radio, TV, or print. Have they even thought about how stupid it would be if they were right? It would be unthinkable to think that half of america supports Bin Laden, I only wish I could punch one of these clowns in the nose.

  • I almost forgot. Some friends of mine put together a site about the Matthews slander. It’s definitely worth checking out as a way to keep the pressure on MSNBC. Ideally, Matthews will issue an on-air apology.

  • Well, I already knew that Gibson and the New York Post were on the take. It’s becoming clearer that Matthews is as well, or at least he wants to get invited to the same kinds of parties that GOPers go to.

    These gasbag remarks are so patently absurd that only someone who is fellating the GOP would make them on public airwaves. If we want to know who the shills are, just keep track of who keeps linking bin Laden’s tape with “liberals.”

  • One way to flip this back is to bring such comments (including Rove’s infamous speech last year) up whenever the topic turns to domestic spying. My God, if these morons actually believe that the “far left” — and that apparently includes Dean and Murtha, is in bed with bin Laden, then why wouldn’t they spy on them?

    It is long past time for Democrats to get seriously pissed off. I want Reid to grab Cheney by the throat, screaming, “You think I’m the fucking enemy, you scumbag?!?” Barring that, a strongly worded challenge to the neo-McCarthyites to “put up or shut up” would be in order.

  • The sad truth is that so long as this issue remains solely in the blogosphere, Matthews will never apologize. Ignoring the blogs is a point of pride for these hacks. What we need is an orchestrated Democratic boycott of Matthews’ show by prospective guests.

  • Two quotes:

    “Those who exchange freedom for security deserve neither and will ultimately lose both.”

    “Old Glory wasn’t made for cowards”

    It’s amazing how an electorate that remains apathetic to their civic American duty to participate in the civic discourse and civic politic, has allowed a vocal minority of fear-mongering fundamentalists to drag our country down.

    Our government is a reflection of this pure and simple. When or if the American people wake up to this and act, we can start to repair the damage done.

    I personally am giving it until 2008 at which time it’s decision time on whether fighting for to take this country back is even worth it anymore.

  • No wonder they haven’t caught Bin Laden yet.

    They want to use all their time talking shit about liberals.

    If we had a liberal in the White House, we would have caught Bin Laden already.

    These guys aren’t so interested in getting the job done as playing around.

    CB, good job catching the ultra-weird example of coordination.

  • It is on a totally different substantive issue, but quite relevant to your final line about whether or not we are going away. EJ Dionne issues this “challenge” in a fine piece in today’s WaPo:

    “For the life of me, I cannot understand why moderates in both political parties don’t see that Alito’s confirmation would continue to push the court toward an activist jurisprudence determined to write conservative ideological preferences into law. President Bush surely knew what he was doing when he named Roberts and then Alito to the court. Bush and his conservative allies have the guts to fight for the future they want. You wonder if those with a different vision can show the same determination.”

    Time to show — on a whole range of issues and clashes — that we can, indeed show the same determination, and “guts to fight for the future” that we want.

  • (I shot off this email to Hardball. Not that it will help, but I felt better.)
    I’ve been saddened and shocked by what Fox broadcasts. I’m sure history will look at the effort they have made over the past five years to shape public opinion…poorly.

    But after reading this morning about what Chris Matthews said on his show, those words in the subject line (Disgraceful, shameful, outlandish) don’t scratch the surface.

    Any and all reasonable, honest, mature people would look at a message from Bin Laden and say that this administration is 100% responsible for not capturing him. That this administration is responsible for the dramatic increase in terror attacks world-wide, that this administration, that is using the specious argument that every law they have broken is justified by the lack of an attack on US soil, will unfortunately be 100% responsible if and when another attack comes. (After all, our not eating tiger meat has prevented an attack also. Lucky tigers.)

    This administration, and its cronies, its contractors, it CEOs, its campaign contributors, it lobbyists are all much, much richer than they were five years ago. Money from our taxes going almost directly to them. With control of both houses of Congress and unchecked executive power, they have gotten everything they wanted. And we are no safer. Remember Bin Laden – dead or alive? or Mission Accomplished? or even Porter Goss saying that he knew where Bin Laden was?

    And you know, Israel and its neighbors agree to truces, and sometimes they don’t hold. But we decry the Arab lands, or Iran for saying Israel and its people should be pushed into the sea and cease to exist. Why don’t we decry Scott McClellan and this administration for saying we won’t stop until every single terrorist is dead? Yes, Osama has hurt us badly, but as badly as enemies in war strike at each other, they sometimes do sit down and agree to a truce. Atrocities occur and still wars end. History is replete with examples.

    Who’s responsible for this mess? Not Michael Moore, not John Kerry, not Rep. Murtha. Oh my god. How could anyone look to those people as scapegoats.

    Matthews should be taken off of the air, after he apologizes and put on unpaid leave. Until that happens, not only have you lost me as a viewer, but your advertisers have lost me as a potential consumer.

  • What if everyone started saying this:
    I am so pissed off at these Republican Bin Laden supporters.
    Are they not supporting him? I say this because it seems that they are using him to bash their fellow Americans. They are using him to support the (so called) leader that has FAILED to catch him.
    Am I one of their enimies because I refuse to drink the kool-aid?

  • Time for all of us to call their advertisers and complain with something like this:

    “You are sponsoring a program that calls me a traitor. I will boycott your products, and encourage everyone else to do the same, until you get these jerks to recognize that free speech isn’t just for blowhards like them, it’s for every American.”

    Every single day, call a different advertiser.

    Maybe someone would be so kind as to post the contact info, to make this easier to do.

  • As maddening as all this blather is, when the frothing right wing pundits start larding it on at the same time it’s a pretty good indication of how scared their bosses are.

    Remember not long ago when the buzzword du jour was the “criminalization of politics” in reference to Scooter Libby? Somebody, I forget who, made a collage of talking heads all using the same line that got on the Bill Maher show and it instantly showed how ridiculous the whole thing was.

    If only someone would do the same now, I bet Bill or Jon Stewart would be glad to give it some air time. How about it, all you clip jockeys out there?

  • It would be nice to know who the sponsors of these shows are. I would definitely contact them and stop purchasing their goods.

  • Wait, I thought that “what happens in America, stays in America.” Since when did the terrorists find out only half of America wears cowboy hats? They must be illegally wire-tapping our phones…

  • Does anyone have recent figures showing how many people actually WATCH “Hardball” and John Gibson?

  • Bush is bored with bin Laden, could care less about him. He said so on tape;; Air America replays that tape, some, but should be repeated over and over. Bush and all his cronies have given up the war on terrorists. Instead they’re making war on Democrats. We must not pay attention to these pests. Rather, we must groom candidates to take back at least the House this year.

  • Of course they think that slinging dirt at liberals helps the war on terror. These are the same people who think that a regular army uniform is as good as a kevlar jacket as long as it’s got some camouflage print on it, and that unarmored vehicles protect the troops just as well as armored ones.

    Things aren’t going to improve on their watch, that’s for sure.

  • These scoundrels will not change their stripes. Rove has announced that the November campaign will focus on terrorism. Perhaps there will even be another alert. It is too bad that this fear mongering works so well.

  • Ed Stephan just wrote that “Bush is bored with bin Laden”…and my guess is, so is the MSM…

    I still get to Washington, DC regularly (I used to live there years ago)…I’ll stay for a long weekend…at a very basic level, it’s a pleasant city: low-lying, lots of parks (with a notable monumental core in the center of it…lol), and theme-parkish better neighborhoods (at least in the NW quadrant)…

    Back in the day, I was lucky enough to meet some of the journalist-types from the Edward Murrow era…although they were well on in years, I was struck that they retained some idealism and curiousity.

    Now, when I see someone like a Chris Matthews on TV, I think DC has devolved into just one more post-industrial American city obsessed with lifestyle and keeping score – consumeristic (just read the WaPo…), smug, and self-satisfied…and the MSM reflects this culture…

  • Ed says,

    “Bush is bored with bin Laden, could care less about him. He said so on tape;; Air America replays that tape, some, but should be repeated over and over. Bush and all his cronies have given up the war on terrorists. Instead they’re making war on Democrats,” and he’s nailed it.

    The only thing the Republicans care about is
    staying in office and making themselves richer
    and more powerful. Their war is with the Democrats.
    They do this by demonizing liberals, then painting
    all Democrats as these terrible people. They have
    been eminently successful. How many groups can
    you think of that are more detested by Americans
    than those horrible atheistic, traitorous, pacifistic,
    commie, treasonous liberals? Child molestors, maybe
    Not even lawyers anymore. And that’s one reason
    the Democrats are stampeding to the right. They
    know these guys have won. Of course, they want to
    board the lobbyist gravy train, too.

    How to fight it? I haven’t the foggiest. I think about
    it all the time. The real rulers of America are the
    rich and powerful corporations and the rich men
    who run them and run the government, the press –
    for the most part, and the media. How can you
    beat that? Americans are just too dumb and gullible
    to think critically about what’s going on in their
    country. It happened in a mere quarter century.
    A stealth revolution that turned us into a rich
    man’s dream plutocracy.

    But I don’t think they are trying to bully us poor
    liberals into submission – they need us to smear
    and demonize and slander. I’ve often thought the
    best thing all non Republicans could do is join
    the Republican Party. Then maybe we could
    sneak a few moderates into the government.
    Better than what we’ve got now.

  • People UNDERESTIMATE the Destructive power of Right Wing Talk Radio and Cable TV.

    Right Wing Talk Radio is mostly regarded as a Nuisance by Americans of normal intelligence.

    But, regrettably, RWTR is far worse than merely a Nuisance.

    Consider the following sobering political truth……RWTR has represented the Margin of of “Victory” in the “Republican Revolution” of 1994 and the elections for President of the United States in both 2000 and 2004.

    It still amazes me and frustrates me that major companies are not forced to pay a national price for the Lying Filth that they inflict on our national political debate, and the degradation of our political culture that has been the tragic result of their crap.

    Limbaugh, Savage, and the rest of ’em are not a Joke !

    Nor are the Hundreds of cheap, lying, vermicular life-forms all across the country, slithering over each other in the vipers’ pit vying to be the Next Big Snake.

    These individuals do not put themselves on the radio.

    Executives put them there !

    Managers with zero comprehension of the issues, and an unconscionable indifference to the consequences to the country of the bilge they are broadcasting, inflict RWTR on us in a deliberate effort to cultivate the Dumbest possible audience so they can sell more commercials that they hope will induce their credulous listeners to buy moronic “products”.

    After all…if these “Americans” will take Rush seriously, then they will buy these bogus “investment” schemes and Penis Pills too.

    The Netroots have been planted and they will blossom and they will be helpful. But they attract an esoteric group of people with well developed critical faculties.

    RWTR attracts a MASS AUDIENCE of people who may not have a specific interest in issues or the background knowledge from which to carefully evaluate the merits of the message of Rush etc.

    So these people are susceptible en masse to the Rush Crap and they then vote after being hyped up by his superficial PR oriented, and Frank Luntz Focus-Grouped, call to arms.

    And this is, of course, the routine with the other national RWTR “hosts”, as well as all the local mice in all the cities of all the states feeding themselves to try to be the next Big Rat !

    The Bottom Line for the restoration of sanity and decency to America’s political discussion, is that low-brow, and relentlessly mendacious RWTR must be thoroughly and righteously Discredited for the pernicious social and political toxin that is, and has been, since Newt Gingrich realized its potential to manipulate masses of people back in 1994.

    RWTR is Immense in America, and we will not rescue our civic morals unless it is forcefully and relentlessly challenged, exposed and thoroughly discredited.

  • has this been shared around here so people can protest Chris Matthew’s SLANDER? (I wish these addresses were on the front web page.)

    (from Digby)

    But a few thousand emails from readers demanding an apology might just get somebody’s attention too:

    Hardball@msnbc.com

    MSNBC

    http://www.msnbc.com
    world@msnbc.com

    One MSNBC Plaza
    Secaucus, NJ 07094
    Phone: (201) 583-5000
    Fax: (201) 583-5453

    NBC News

    http://www.nbc.com

    30 Rockefeller Plaza
    New York, NY 10112
    Phone: (212) 664-5900
    Fax: (212) 664-2914

    By the way: Tweety’s tied to the Abramoff probe. He happily raised money for one of Casino Jack’s front groups. And he’s gone out of his way to trivialize the unprecedented bribery, shakedowns and protection racket his best pals have been engaged in. I’m just sayin’

    http://digbysblog.blogspot.com/2006_01_15_digbysblog_archive.html#113772990196606438

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