Even right-wingers know Ben Stein is a moron

Guest Post by Morbo

On Thursday the Carpetbagger wrote a post pointing out that Ben Stein appears to be going off the deep end. I’m happy to report that some conservatives have noticed as well.

When I was young and still trying to sort out my political stance, one of the things that turned me away from conservatism was the anti-intellectualism of the movement. I was aware that conservatism at one time celebrated its intellectual underpinnings. But the Reagan-era conservatives I encountered seemed not just to extol ignorance but to hold it up as a type of virtue.

Thus, scientists, academics and researchers were heaped with scorn. Reading a book was considered for sissies. Male intellectuals were portrayed as not rugged, and the simple-minded platitudes of the Reagan years were celebrated as homespun wisdom and plain-speaking.

Thirty years later and they’re still doing it. Al Gore read (and wrote) real books, so that made him out of touch. John Kerry was a French-loving, intellectual snob. Wouldn’t you rather vote for the class dunce instead?

At least a few conservatives know why this line of thinking is dangerous. One of them attacked Stein recently in the National Review Online.

John Derbyshire doesn’t hold his fire. He makes a distinction between old-style creationists, whom he portrays as sincere but deluded people overwhelmed by religion, and advocates of “intelligent design.” That latter, he says, are simply dishonest. Derbyshire body-slams them.

“They overhauled creationism as ‘intelligent design,’ roped in a handful of eccentric non-Christian cranks keen for a well-funded vehicle to help them push their own flat-earth theories, and set about presenting themselves to the public as ‘alternative science’ engaged in a ‘controversy’ with a closed-minded, reactionary ‘science establishment’ fearful of new ideas. (Ignoring the fact that without a constant supply of new ideas, there would be nothing for scientists to do.) Nothing to do with religion at all!”

Most satisfyingly, Derbyshire understands the unique contributions of science, a stance rapidly being abandoned by conservatives everywhere in their eagerness to collect votes from the ignorant.

The scientific method is one of the crowning achievements of Western society. Derbyshire correctly notes that Stein’s movie, which blames evolution for the Holocaust, is a type of blood libel on Western Civilization.

Derbyshire lists the achievements of the West in architecture, art, religion, music and law.

“And there is science, perhaps the greatest of all our achievements, because nowhere else on earth did it appear. China, India, the Muslim world, all had fine cities and systems of law, architecture and painting, poetry and prose, religion and philosophy. None of them ever accomplished what began in northwest Europe in the later 17th century, though: a scientific revolution. Thoughtful men and women came together in learned societies to compare notes on their observations of the natural world, to test their ideas in experiments, and in reasoned argument against the ideas of others, and to publish their results in learned journals. A body of common knowledge gradually accumulated. Patterns were observed, laws discerned and stated.”

Bingo. Stein’s dumb argument, which he is busy eagerly peddling to Religious Right ignoramuses, is more than just misguided. It is a repudiation of much of the best of Western thought. What an odd thing for a so-called conservative to do.

My greatest hope is that this movie finally tips the balance. So far, there’s been a great response. Scientists have bashed it. Movie reviewers have bashed it. A good number of religious groups have bashed it. Now conservatives are bashing it. A disparate group of folks are uniting under one common banner: bashing the lying buggers behind Expelled.

There’s even some science being learned and celebrated.

That movie is so extreme that it could deal Intelligent Design a mortal blow. On top of this, its stupidity is so rampant that it could also put anti-intellectual conservatism in its grave. A faint hope, yes, but there’s a glimmer. Between Bush and Expelled, I think people are starting to long for the days when conservative didn’t equal ignorant fool.

They’re starting to realize what happens when you elect the “class dunce” and let yourself be treated as an unthinking idiot by the IDiots.

It’s a beautiful thing.

  • Now this analysis is really lacking – there is no way that the republicans can impact the publics perceptions on intellectualism without the mainstream media.

    This is a cultural thing that goes back many, many years and it is a meme that is constantly reinforced in our media. However, you have a classic example of post hoc ergo propter hoc.

    The mainstream media is increasingly controlled by right-wing interests with ties to the military-industrial complex. They happen to be republicans, because that is the party that most accomodates them, but don’t kid yourselves – many democrats do too.

    Yes, the republicans take advantage of anti-intellectual attitudes that are created in the mainstream media – but they are not really the problem here.

    The real problem is that our media is controlled by 5 global corporations that all share the same interests in promoting policies that undermine the middle class. The poor are already screwed, so the elite don’t bother as long as they aren’t asked to help.

    This same group directly or indirectly profits from the military-industrial complex and the war economies under which it prospers.

    The problem is much bigger than what republicans do to promote anti-intellectualism.

  • Bravo to John Derbyshire, absolute proof that a stopped clock is right twice a day. I shall have to hie myself off to the entrance of Hell and check the thermometer.

    Talentless Ben Stein, however, is no more a “conservative” than is the talentless Dennis Miller. A celebrity wannabe will do anything to extend their 15 minutes of fame. In Stein’s an Miller’s cases, they take the standard route of the neverwillbe and go looking for an audience dumb enough to not notice their lack of talent. Since inbred stupidity is a feature of the far right, that’s where they end up, turning themselves into performing seals for the slack-jawed mouth-breathers. There’s no sight more pathetic.

  • As stupid as Ben Stein’s ideas about science are in “Expelled,” I think it is unfair to lump him with truly thoughtless people like Dennis Miller, and wrong to view his ideas simply as the product of inbred stupidity. As much as I disagree with his conservative economics, over the past couple of years Stein’s “Everybody’s Business” column in NY Times’s Business Section has provided some of the clearest and strongest comdemnations in the mainstream press of the rapacious greed behind America’s obscene inequities of income and wealth. He may not be a talented actor, but he is not a thoughtless panderer to prevailing political winds, making the ridiculous argument in his film all the more disappointment.

  • I knew Ben Stein was a republican, but I’m really disappointed in him. I never thought he was dumb.

  • Ben Stein’s conservative roots: acc to the linked Derb piece, Stein was doing a column for American Spectator back in the 1970s.

    Something Morbo overlooks in the Derb post: Derb’s open disdain for the people who got pushed around by Western civ. Not that this invalidates the anti-ID argument, it’s just a reminder of where the man is coming from. He calls the ID people “fools and fraudsters, gaping and pointing like Apaches on seeing their first locomotive: ‘Look! It moves! There must be a ghost inside making it move!’ The ‘intelligent design’ hoax is … an appeal to barbarism, to the sensibilities of those Apaches …” Ah well.

    Finally, love the Waugh quote on Kipling. I think it captures how our own right sees itself, at least the Cheney/wingnut branch.

  • Oooh, gro-oa-an. Having to offer kudos to John Derbyshire. Ow, ow, ow…Good job, Derb…ow.

  • None of them ever accomplished what began in northwest Europe in the later 17th century, though: a scientific revolution.

    This is a fallacy. China, India and the Muslim world were each dominant in science at various periods of time. Their discoveries, like ours, spread through the world and were incorporated by other societies, allowing the rest to build on them. Like the west, they also fell into dark ages due to wars and economic collapses.

    The west gets credit for rapid advances in physics, medicine and engineering because it was coming into a scientific resurgence just as the pieces were in place that allowed for the rapid communication of ideas and those were essential for the 17th century explosion of scientific and technological research.No printing press – no Newton’s Principia.

    By stating that none of the others created the revolution of the 17th century, he’s suggesting that none of them were capable of it. But just as no-one will get credit for rediscovering Newton’s laws (because they’re well known), no one can recreate the scientific revolution (because everyone is now a part of it).

  • Jinchi, I do agree that the statement is offensively eurocentric. The principles that underlay the advances he outlines came from a huge range of sources, many of course not fully acknowledged even now. It is a fascinating study to trace the origin and development of mathematics and physical laws (as well as the philosophical underpinings) through history. Civilizations rose and fell, and quite often as one would fall an ascendent one would be able to draw some of the accumulated knowledge from it. This wasn’t a perfect system, much was lost, but each new civilization was able to build on someone’s knowledge, and add their own discoveries and interpretations. So yes, he is diminishing the fact science belongs to all mankind, and it was simply that the period of incredible advancement took place at that point rather than another.

    However, a distinction I think he is trying (clumsily, and with predjudice) to make, is that the scientific method was in and of itself the fundamental leap forward. The pace of discoveries and invention since the ‘scientific revolution’ was not possible without that crucial approach, and the previous civilizations did lack that on a collective level. One need only look at how controversial the concept of an irrational number was to the ancient greeks for an example of the arbitary limits that were self-imposed on inquiry. That isn’t to say that science is completely free now, and nor should it be. However, ethical boundaries are imposed with (hopefully) rational self-awareness and deliberation.

    Still, there is nothing particularly special about Western Civilization, it was simply a matter of convergence and coincidence that allowed the scientific method to propogate. One can certainly be sure that had the church and monarchy realised the outcome of scientific thought, Gallileo would have been considered a case of extreme leniency. If it hadn’t made that leap, or had it successfully surpressed it, a future civilization would have discovered it instead. Some future group would be having the same conversation on their equivalent to the net about reactionaries to the science of their age.

    Funnily, I can just imagine someone in that hypothetical future making the point of the predominance of their civilization because of their scientific advances, without acknowledging the europeans, muslim, indians or chinese on who’s shoulder they stood.

  • I love how the only time a conservative is correct about anything is when they are attacking another conservative. How predictable.

    Your shallow attack on Ben Stein’s (and conservatives in general) intellectualism is vapidly insincere. What is the evidence you present? An incredibly pathetic “review” by John Derbyshire of a movie he has never even seen!

    Yeah, that is a real “intellectual” way to debate (i.e., attack) someone else’s views.

    How typical.

  • On Ben Stein’s Expelled….: “If the fittest ARE to be the ones who survive, why are we so very zealous in ‘saving the planet?’ Maybe there exists not only the Creator, but the Savior in whose ‘image’ we ARE intricately designed.”

  • When someone offers an opinion or idea on any subject, why do responses include name calling and insults? It seems to me that that sort of response negates the argument and places the thought processes back at about a third grade school yard level (now maybe I’m doing the same thing).

  • Derbyshire shows that at leas some conservatives are not anti-intelectual. But, this type of conservative seems like and endangered species.

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