Ex-cons can get second chance in military

Given the inherent difficulties in military recruiting during an unpopular war, it stands to reason that the Defense Department would want to create more flexible standards.

The number of waivers granted to Army recruits with criminal backgrounds has grown about 65 percent in the last three years, increasing to 8,129 in 2006 from 4,918 in 2003, Department of Defense records show.

During that time, the Army has employed a variety of tactics to expand its diminishing pool of recruits. It has offered larger enlistment cash bonuses, allowed more high school dropouts and applicants with low scores on its aptitude test to join, and loosened weight and age restrictions.

It has also increased the number of so-called “moral waivers” to recruits with criminal pasts, even as the total number of recruits dropped slightly. The sharpest increase was in waivers for serious misdemeanors, which make up the bulk of all the Army’s moral waivers. These include aggravated assault, burglary, robbery and vehicular homicide.

In theory, this sounds reasonable to me. Once someone has served his or her time, they deserve a second chance. If they’re willing to volunteer for military service, especially during a war, I can appreciate the Pentagon’s willingness to liberally distribute “moral waivers.” There’s some irony in limiting the ability of ex-cons to legally own a gun, only to let them join the military, but why quibble?

I’ve been curious about the response from the right to this. I saw one conservative blogger write, “Look at it on the bright side: If we are going to lose American soldiers fighting in Iraq I’d rather lose people with criminal records.”

I can’t be sure, but that may be the darkest, most cynical thought I’ve seen about the war in a very long time.

And on an unrelated note, Aaron Belkin, director of the Michael D. Palm Center, a research institute at the University of California, Santa Barbara, raised the same point I was thinking.

Under its “don’t ask, don’t tell” policy, it has fired over 11,000 capable troops, including nearly 1,000 considered mission-critical and over 300 foreign linguists, just because they’re gay. This despite overwhelming evidence that letting known gays serve does not impair cohesion, recruitment or effectiveness.

Yet simultaneously the military accepts those who, according to its own research and standards of review, undermine readiness by virtue of their failure to conform to society’s rules.

For all its insistence that letting gays serve openly would be an unacceptable risk to the military — even if they haven’t engaged in “homosexual conduct” — the Pentagon bends over backwards to create exceptions in the case of ex-convicts, whose actual criminal behavior is defined by having created a disruption. […]

Why does the military give a free ride to those who have proven to be disruptive while it gives the axe to proven soldiers who simply happen to be gay?

Good question.

I dunno, Steve – while that at-least-we’re-only-losing-American-ex-cons-as-soldiers line is pretty dark, I’d say the DC establishment’s current cheerleading for Iran, the Clinton-Edwards-Obama “Let’s leave all options on the table even if it provides rhetorical cover for Bush” attitude, and the Democrats’ resistance to impeachment as a political tool to thwart the Bush/Cheney administration, come awfully close, though because it’s on the macro level, and part of the primary positioning/let’s-not-risk-our-newfound-power-actually-opposing-conservatives mentality, it might not be as striking.

  • “Look at it on the bright side: If we are going to lose American soldiers fighting in Iraq I’d rather lose people with criminal records.”

    As a DEM look on the bright side …..

    Thats a whole lotta of Republican politicans that could be pressed into duty..

    HIRE

  • Why does the military give a free ride to those who have proven to be disruptive while it gives the axe to proven soldiers who simply happen to be gay?

    Because committing aggravated assault, burglary, robbery and homicide aren’t as horrible as loving someone of the wrong gender.

    Unbelievable.

    And isn’t there a quickie program that cures gayness? Couldn’t they just hire whoever cured Haggert and cure all those soldiers instead of kicking them out?

  • Congress passed a law, signed by Clinton, that requires the DoD to implement a Don’t Ask Don’t Tell policy. Why do we keep blaming “the Pentagon” when it’s the fault of the Congress? It’s a stupid policy, but our elected civilian leadership is essentially its author. I grant that the military had anti-gay policies before Congress passed 10 U.S.C. § 654, but the ball is in the Congressional court now.

  • Ex-cons can get second chance in military

    I speculate that there are a good number of soldiers in the Iraq at this point who are legally not allowed to vote, given their past record. That’s kind of an interesting possibility, isn’t it?

  • In America, sex is much worse than violence. Just look at movie ratings & content.

    And on another point, why do we lump non-violent crimes (like drug possesion & check kiting & prostitution, etc) with rape, assault, murder?

  • I guess being gay is waaaaay more dangerous than aggravated assault, burglary, robbery and vehicular homicide. Hopefully this works out, becasue if it doesn’t, the military is going to pay for this for a long, long time.

    As for that blogger, based on his comment, I think we should ship his lame a** over there because I personally think that loosing someone with that mindset is no loss to the gene pool and humanity would be a lot better off.

  • I’m wondering…

    Maybe the “real men” in the military don’t want gay people because they’re less likely to be willing to brutally kill people when ordered to do so?

    Felons might not have that problem.

    Just a thought.

  • Mr. ParaPundit ought to have to eat his words….with a shovel.

    His attitude, though, perfectly illustrates the attitude of the White House, the Republican Party and every last member of the 101st Fighting Keyboarders:

    “The troops are merely props for our photo ops and military conquests. Our noble cause demands sacrifice, and as long as it’s not us doing the sacrificing we have no problem sending them off to die in whatever numbers might be necessary for our agenda to succeed.”

  • In response to Chris above, although all of us would like to see impeachment and a restoration of sanity in our government, I’d rather not do it if there’s even a glimmer of a chance that it will provide ammo for Republicans in ’08.

    If we defund the troops or push impeachment then instead of going into 2008 toothless and borderline irrelevant, they become the defenders of righteousness and the safety of our fighting men and women. That’s a bad place to be if you’re campaigning in red states.

    I like the House strategy of “slow bleed” that’s been leaking out; take away all their options and leave the “broken egg” to them to try and clean up. If they can’t, well we’ll use that to leverage majorities in the House and Senate, win the Presidency, and proceed to clean it all up correctly from a position of power.

  • Let’s take a look at the crimes, shall we?

    Aggravated assault — Torture is now dandy within the military.
    Burglary, robbery — Can we say “Halliburton” boys and girls?
    Vehicular homicide — **coughlaurabushcough**

    Basically, what’s good enough for the executive branch should be good enough for our military!

    And we all know that killing someone while DUI is much, much better than getting the lead in Bye, Bye Birdie — that probably means the dude is teh ghey and that’s, like, totally icky and stuff.

    [/snark]

  • One more thing that the Pentagon might expect to get from felons, and want more of is this kind of “reasoning”…

    The following is from Douglas “stupidest man on the planet” Feith…

    …In evaluating our policy toward Iraq after Sept. 11, 2001, my office realized that CIA analysts were suppressing some of their information. They excluded reports conflicting with their favored theory: that the secular Iraqi Baathist regime would not cooperate with al-Qaeda jihadists. (We now face a strategic alliance of jihadists and former Baathists in Iraq.)…

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/02/13/AR2007021301092.html

    See? Saddam wasn’t aligned with al-Qaeda, and we said they were, but the Baathists and al-Qaeda are now aligned, so that means we were right!

    I now see what Tommy Franks was saying. The man may literally be the stupidest guy on the planet.

    Un-be-lievable.

  • In response to Indigent A-hole (hey, cool name 🙂

    “…impeachment and a restoration of sanity in our government, I’d rather not do it if there’s even a glimmer of a chance that it will provide ammo for Republicans in ‘08.”

    Republicans turn anything and everything into ammo in political fights. No plan that depends on depriving them of ammo will go much of anywhere. That’s not to say we shouldn’t avoid giving them easy issues, but Republicans turn anything and everything into ammo in political fights.

    “If we defund the troops or push impeachment then instead of going into 2008 toothless and borderline irrelevant, they become the defenders of righteousness and the safety of our fighting men and women. That’s a bad place to be if you’re campaigning in red states.”

    If we defund the *war*, push impeachment, or both, then we’re fighting to protect America, at home and abroad. That’s what our message should be. Republicans will paint themselves as “defenders of righteousness [etc.]” *regardless* of what we do. They control what they do; we control what we do. Of course, the *down* side of that is that, well, “we” control what “we” do, and “we” includes not just Zell Miller Democrat Joe Lieberman, but plenty of Hillary Clinton Democrats, who are forever apologizing for being liberals and hating the troops and saying the wrong thing about George W. Bush. I’d rather go campaign in red states with unapologetic Democrats than apologetic moderates; I don’t think we’ll do any worse, and we might impress them with our fortitude.

    “I like the House strategy of “slow bleed” that’s been leaking out; take away all their options and leave the “broken egg” to them to try and clean up. If they can’t, well we’ll use that to leverage majorities in the House and Senate, win the Presidency, and proceed to clean it all up correctly from a position of power.”

    Man, I hope you’re right that there *is* a strategy of “slow bleed” – it’s just that every time I see or hear about a Democratic “strategy” that involves not taking the fight to Republicans by attacking them, I’m afraid it’s more of the same Dry-Powder Democratic dicking around that we saw for the first six years of Bush’s presidency.

    Oh, and it’d be nice to get our strategies up and running in time to thwart a prospective war with Iran. That’s my other argument against a “slow bleed” strategy, though as long as there *is* an actual strategy, I’m pretty happy with it (though I’m haunted by the vision of Dick Morris doing a Troy McClure impression and saying, “You may remember me from such Democratic strategies as…”)

  • Racerx, great point (#12) – has anyone else seen the Samuel Jackson remake of Shaft, in which he’s got these two enemies, each a random bad guy, and he gets them put into the same cell on at least partially trumped-up charges, and they decide, “You don’t like him… I don’t like him… Hey, let’s work together!”

    Same. Goddamn. Theory.

  • There are enough complexities about the criminal pasts of people that will sit on the sidelines on whether this is an OK or horrible idea. But the quote from the conservative blogger reinforces the fact that soldiers are disposable to these guys and soldiers with a rap sheet are even more disposable. You can almost hear them saying, “So what if we lost more soldiers today, their just kids from nowheresville or ex-cons.”

    On a note of concern, will it be good to have a returning soldier with PTSD who may be predisposed to criminal and/ or violent activity who is now also trained in close combat, advanced weapons and explosives?

  • When I was in the military, back in the late Triassic, it was common for a young criminal to be given the choice between jail or joining the military, on the theory that he would “grow up and find himself” in the military.

    In fact, this hardly ever worked.

    What the young criminals found in the military was each other. In the Navy, it was common for there to be below-decks gangs of these guys, and they did what gangs of criminals have always done – prey on those around them. On one of the ships I was one, it was so bad that those of us who weren’t in the gang had to gang together for self-defense, never going anywhere below decks alone.

    This was not something a young enlisted guy was going to report to the above-decks authorities, given that you slept (literally) asshole to asshole in the sleeping compartments with those about whom you might complain.

    From my experience, this is absolutely the worst decision the Army could make. In World War 2, it was the drafted criminals who committed most of the crimes – looting, rape, murder, robbery, etc., that happened to those we were “liberatinhg.”

    We have already seen in the story of Stephen Greene, the Iraqi rapist-murderer, what happens when these little pieces of shit are allowed into the military: they infect those around them. Gresham’s Law of Money (bad money drives out good) also applies to people, and particularly to impressionable teenagers (as one finds in the military).

    Criminals already lack the basic humanity to care about those who are around them as more than the source of whatever they want. Put guns in the hands of these people in a situation where there is little or no law, and things are going to go from bad to worse. Everyone of them is a time bomb waiting to explode like Greene did, creating more reasons for those who hate us to hate us.

    This was a terrible idea 40-odd years ago and it hasn’t improved in the years since. Almost all of those soldiers who participated actively in the My Lai Massacre were draftees with this kind of “troubled” background.

  • On a note of concern, will it be good to have a returning soldier with PTSD who may be predisposed to criminal and/ or violent activity who is now also trained in close combat, advanced weapons and explosives?
    Comment by petorado

    Sounds like a new movie: Ocean’s 5150

  • First, the wingnuts use ’24” to justify torture.

    Now it’s “The Dirty Dozen”.

    Can someone PLEASE take away their TV remote? It’s turned into a dangerous weapon.

  • It was said that the South Vietnamese Army had a very simple standard for induction. You could get out of serving only if a four-inch ring would fit over your head, or you constantly spat blood. We may soon reach that standard.

    Regarding the felons, perhaps the U. S. Army is contemplating penal battalions like the Nazis and Soviets in WW II.

  • Let’s be real here. People make mistakes, especially when they’re young. They always have and they always will.

    Does that automatically make them out to be gang banger thugs? No. Are they all rapists and murderers? No. In my field of work I run into a large number of ex-cons (most minor drug charges) and I can honestly say that while many of them aren’t fit for military service or even being out on the street an equally large number of them are now upstanding citizens I would trust my child with any day of the week.

    I’m an admitted atheist in a highly conservative part of the country so I know a thing or two about being discriminated against, but if you want to see a group of people more walked all over just ask your 50 year old neighbor what it’s like to be treated like a 3rd class citizen because of something he did 30 years ago.

    I’d be curious to see how many of these people you commenters are railing about have done nothing more dangerous than get high… because if that’s the case I doubt your fears of roving gangs of rapists and murderers happening because of these waivers really holds up.

  • Dustin–
    I don’t disagree that people should be given second chances, nor that one slip up should automatically disqualify you from service.

    I think the larger point is that gays aren’t allowed to serve, but people with violent criminal histories are (I didn’t see “drug felons” listed in those who are getting waivers, but may have missed it). That seems silly.

    Another issue I see is that felons aren’t allowed to own guns — yet the government is willing to train them to use some of the most powerful weaponry on earth?

    That also seems a bit silly.

    If they really, really want to save our military, then either pull back from Iraq, or restart the draft. Those are the only two ways it will happen effectively.

  • No arguments from me Moses, and I apologize for redirecting the thread away from it’s main topic. It’s just that the degrading treatment of ex-convicts is something I see nearly daily and it gets my blood boiling pretty predictably.

  • Dustin:

    My previous comment regards violent criminals whose “misdemeanors” are likely pled-down felonies, not nonviolent dopers.

    As regards the gang aboard the USS Pine Island, we would have made the world a better place had we thrown them overboard in a typhoon.

  • Right, because soldiers will freak out and drop their weapons if they so much as see a gay person, but they’re perfectly at home with convicts.

    What the fuck does this say about our troops?

  • What an absolutely disgusting comment. All life is precious. Once a felon becomes an “ex” he/she has paid their debt. Hopefully, it will be the last bad judgment call. As long as you are sitting in your Ivory tower I guess you will go on to judge but IF you ever make one wrong judgment call and you are deprived of your freedom for, let’s say 7 years, you might be a little more careful with your bold and general statements. Just take a moment this morning to take a quick thought of all the mistakes or bad judgment calls you made and just never got caught. Then, let’s talk.

  • look im trying to get into the miltary but i have a armed robbery charge… does anyone know what i have to do to get accepted in??

    Adam

  • I am an ex con looking to repay a debt i owe t society, I wnet away when I was 16, and did almost 5 years, to think that a 16 year old boy could not learn his wrongs after 5 years of HELL is morally reprehensible.
    All I ask is the opportunity to in some small degree make up for the various wrongs I have done to this great country.
    if you cant respect that go to hell.

  • Well everyone seems to have a comment about gays and excons. “Gays are better for the military than excons” and “if someone is gonna die I’d rather it be someone with a criminal record”. Well, I must say that all the comments are so totally off the point it is unimaginable. The point is this: “The military is facing a drop in applications and there is a war on whether we all like it or not”. We can all sit here and debate who is better or worse but I don’t see a whole lot of people jumping up to take the place of an excon or a gay person. I don’t see these commenters volunteering to guard the walls while we sleep cozily in our beds at night. I don’t see them volunteering to take the place of the ones who died whether it be a gay man or woman, excon, or just the common man or woman. You know everyone is loved by someone no matter what the sexual preference or the mistakes that are made. Me, I am proud of our military no matter who they are or their sexual preference or how many mistakes they have made in thier past. Maybe if they live through this war, it will make them a better person more responsible and change their whole life and the lives of thier loved ones. If they make it through this war we can all sleep better at night knowing someone took the initiative and answered the call. My prayers are with all the young men and women who fight our war for us. I am proud of all of you. My thanks go out to all.

  • I think it’s a crying shame an ex-con can get in the military but yet a good citizen such as myself, cant get in because of an ASVAB score I’m a high school graduate, No out standing record or felonies, I just have a problem with tests but yet i cant serve my country I think that’s BS sorry but i do.

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