From ‘too little, too late,’ to ‘even less, even later’

Remember when one of the big concerns about Barack Obama was whether he was “too nice” to withstand the Republican Attack Machine? That his above-the-fray style might not be assertive enough for a rough-and-tumble general election campaign?

Those questions look almost amusing in hindsight. Two weeks ago, Obama went after John McCain pretty aggressively on the GI Bill. Shortly thereafter, Obama hammered at McCain’s confusion over the number of U.S. troops in Iraq. And today’s it’s the economy.

“Sen. McCain wants to turn Bush’s policy of ‘too little, too late’ into a policy of ‘even less, even later.’ That’s not the change we need right now. That’s what got us into this mess in the first place.”

Under a headline that read, “This Is Much More Fun,” Atrios added, “Obama’s on the teevee making fun of Huggy Bear. I think I can start paying attention to this crap again.”

I know the feeling. This is enormously entertaining, not just because it removes any doubts about Obama’s willingness to go on the offensive against McCain, but because we’ve been waiting for Dems to stop fighting with each other, and start taking on McCain, for quite some time.

It’s worth noting that Obama was not exclusively critical of McCain, and weaved into his speech some interesting praise for his GOP opponent:

“John McCain is an American hero whose military service we honor. He can also legitimately tout moments of independence from his party, and on some issues, such as earmark reform and climate change, he and I share goals, even if we may differ on how to get there.

“But when it comes to the economy, John McCain and I have a fundamentally different vision of where to take the country. Because for all his talk of independence, the centerpiece of his economic plan amounts to a full-throated endorsement of George Bush’s policies.”

In general, I’d prefer less talk that paints McCain in a positive light, but Greg Sargent raises a very good point about the context in which remarks like these are made:

Obama is conceding that McCain has “moments of independence from his party” as a way, ultimately, of dealing with his primary political challenge: The fact that the national media has been searing the idea that McCain is a maverick into the consciousness of the electorate for 15 years now.

Giving a bit of ground on this question — before bringing the hammer down on all the ways McCain would represent a continuation of Bush’s policies — is probably the best way to neutralize, in advance, the McCain camp’s efforts to achieve separation from the soon-to-be-former President. The idea is to lead voters through what they’ve heard about McCain’s supposed independence to a real understanding of what electing him will actually mean to them on their most pressing issues.

Well said. I think that’s the strategy exactly.

Looking over the rest of the speech, Obama ties McCain to Bush on just about every economic angle imaginable, from healthecare to spending, taxes to housing.

More of this, please.

McCain’s chief surrogate, Senator Lindsey Graham, said during his appearance on ABC’s This Week, with George Stephanopoulos.

Stephanopoulos asked Sen. Graham if McCain’s policies are essentially “an extension or maybe an enhancement of the Bush policies.” Sen. Graham answered, “Yeah, absolutely.”

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/06/08/senator-graham-mccains-po_n_105916.html

  • I can’t wait until Obama finally gets around to giving an example of where McCain has shown his maverick streak in the last few years. The only one that comes to mind in the GI bill.

  • Steve (CB), this goes directly to your earlier post about the LA Times OpEd piece. Obama is hitting that head on. Yes, there are some similarities between all politicians, but there are miles of differences, too. McCain and Obama are vastly different in their visions and policies (e.g., Obama has both, McCain has neither).

  • One great thing about Obama is that he’s got a natural comedian’s timing. He doesn’t have to play big for laughs and one of his pauses is funnier and more powerful than ten of McCain’s empty zingers.

    Where as McCain’s speech was just a series of one-liners loosely connected together (often with a laundry list of Bush problems that need to be fixed), Obama knows how to interweave zingers directly into his speeches. And while it’s best to hear the whole thing complete, he also has good soundbites for the attention impaired. This is going to be a fun, fun election.

  • MsJoanne,

    McCain and Obama are vastly different in their visions and policies (e.g., Obama has both, McCain has neither).

    Oh now, that seems a bit unfair. McCain has vision: its myopic; McCain has policies: they are neo-fascist.

    McCain 2008: Myopic NeoFascism You Can Count On.

  • I’m pleased to see that Obama is playing for reasonableness. My biggest complaint with highly partisan politics is this notion that we have to pretend that our opponents are cartoon character villains, with no redeeming qualities, who have never done anything right. That’s stupid on the face of it, and most Americans who are just getting on with their lives and not so wrapped up in politics are immediately suspicious of that kind of stridency.

    McCain is proposing terrible and misguided policies. That’s an argument that Obama can win. So why bother debating whether the “maverick” label is accurate? It doesn’t matter. So let McCain have his image of independence, even if it’s largely inaccurate. And hit him on actual policy issues.

    Obama is continuing to impress me with his character, policy positions, and political savvy. This is just another excellent move.

  • i listen to just about every obama clip i come across — his delivery gets a lot of credit for that but more importantly IT IS THE CONTENT that makes my heart sing.

    ooh, obama’s my wild thang. he makes my heart sing. he makes everything groovy.

  • By November John McCain will look very old, very tired and very angry. Even this early into the campaign he looks like, “How the hell did I get myself into this?” I think he wants to be President, but he really doesn’t want to BE President. I wouldn’t be surprised if by the end John McCain has, for all practical purposes, thrown in the towel.

    The Republicans thought Obama would be a push over, and they don’t know how to, of all things, defend themselves. This is going to get very entertaining to say the least.

  • I watched the speech and I think McStale is in trouble big time. I’m not sure why people are so surprised about Obama’s new found ‘toughness’. He made it perfectly clear several times that being ‘above the fray’ means no personal attacks, which is a common sense rule everyone must abide by in a civilized conversation that is to go anywhere. But he never said no criticism, when there is something to be critical about.

    Anyway, as an aside, I’m looking forward to the debates between those two. I can’t imagine McCain being able to make a straight argument. And to reinforce my already poor opinion of him, I came across this video of McCain today where he seems to think Putin is the President of Germany. Ooops! So much for foreign policy expertise.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jfealLrWLIY

  • THere was no content or solution, only empty words without any backup. Basically he said McCain is like Bush & they are both wrong because they don’t agree with him.

  • Dr. BioBrain

    You got it! Obama’s comments in that clip were paced a lot like a comedian’s I thought, while making his serious point. The “white spaces” give people time to absorb what he’s said and eventually a response bursts forth! I don’t know how much laughter McCain can take before that famous temper erupts, but he sure is a great straight-man.

    Adi

    Damn if you aren’t right! Hadn’t seen that clip yet. McCain referred to Putin as the president of Germany! God, he’s as careless or stupid as Bush.

  • b4 buffalo

    Obama didn’t NEED to set forth a solution — that’s here. And the “content” was to show that McCain is even worse than Bush.

  • He’s pointing out the truth, the obvious. I’m still waiting for him to point out the not so obvious…lobbyists, their money, MLK day (which ties into the GI bill and SCHIP…always the wrong decision…always flip flopping). Obama has a lot of material to work from with McCain as he’s had thirty years of screwing up.

  • b4 buffalo – have you ever heard of a thing called a “search engine” or a site called Google?
    While the left has no counterpart to Rush Limbaugh (i.e. a person who will tell you what to think), we can point you in the correct direction to find the “backup” that you seek.
    A quick view of Sen. Obama’s website impressed me, and it had just oodles of information. Try going there instead of trying to get it all from a speech. The world is very big, complcated and sometimes even scary! We need to do more than listen to speeches to get a better picture of our potential next President.
    Good Luck!

  • McCain is running a “gee do I have to” run for the White House.

  • He can also legitimately tout moments of independence from his party, and on some issues, such as earmark reform and climate change

    Note that one of these issues reduces the fRightWanks to foaming fits of anger. A lot of them won’t be so hot on the idea of independence from Der Party either.

    Wheee!

  • BuzzMon, you give too much credit. Most older people (of McCain’s generation) aren’t computer literate. Rush falls into that category, too, but he’s too intellectually dishonest to even think of issues so it doesn’t matter.

    Here is a link to Obama’s issues. You can find a ton of detail in there:

    http://www.barackobama.com/issues/

    Enjoy reading. There’s a ton of information out there.

  • Just out of curiosity, why is there a “John McCain for President” advertisement on the left side of this website?

  • Obama: “He calls himself a fiscal conservative and on the campaign trail he’s passionate critic of government spending, and yet he has no problem spending hundreds of billions of dollars on tax breaks for big corporations and a permanent occupation of Iraq – policies that have left our children with a mountain of debt.”

    Repubs have always been able to frame tax-cuts and war as something that’s not spending – and that they are against “spending” when they really mean SS, medicare and so on.

    Obama RIPS that apart – he and his supporters need to keep repeating that now.

  • I don’t know about you guys, but I think after five months of “McCain=Bush” that message is going to be tired. Although I would guess that his campaign team will be on top of that when its time for a fresh mantra, though they should wring every vote they can get out of it.

  • Just out of curiosity, why is there a “John McCain for President” advertisement on the left side of this website?

    I think Steve is trying to sabotage McCain with his base by tying him to a pinko commie blog. 🙂

    Hey, if McCain wants to use his limited and underwhelming campaign funds to pay for CB’s bandwidth, I think that’s just wunnerful!

  • My facetious prediction: Bob Barr will be invited to the second formal debate.

  • […] video of McCain today where he seems to think Putin is the President of Germany. — Adi, @11

    Details, details, picky-Adi… Russia/Germany, President/Chancellor… What’s the effing difference? At least he said Putin, not Pullout.

    Remember, at one of the Dem debates, participants were asked their opinion of Medvedev who, at that point, was either just about to replace Putin or had just been “elected”? They were expected to know the name *and* have an opinion formed. But, for McCain, the whole world is just “someplace outside DC” and I wonder if the media will even blink.

    Reminds me of that old joke where StPeter is “testing” the candidates to enter through the pearly gates and he asks a man to spell “God”, then asks a woman to spell “Czechoslovakia”…

  • Just out of curiosity, why is there a “John McCain for President” advertisement on the left side of this website? -impeachcheneyhenbush

    The delicious irony.

  • At least he said Putin, not Pullout.

    UGH! Brain bleach, please! That’s just gross in a Grandpappy/Cindy kind of way.

    As to the advertisement, it gets TCBR revenue. It’s random and goes on a bunch of sites. By all means, let McCain help pay for this site.

    Mr. Benen is worth it. (And it gives us a good chuckle)

    I don’t cringe anywhere near as much seeing McGramps face…Ann Coulter? That’s puking territory.

  • Thanks MsJoannie
    Actually I was trying for a patronizing tone (I liked “oodles of information”) for a person that I perceived as somewhat trollish. I mean, they made their way here & posted a comment. Hell, my 84 year old Mom (Happy birthday, Mom) would have trouble with that, but she knows Google.
    You seem to be far more kind to folks like b4 than I am. My hat’s off to you!

  • Seconded! Thank you MsJoanne and BuzzMon,
    You both just saved me from having to, “waste my beautiful mind on a thing like that” composing a sarcastic and withering reply that would compromise my beautiful Kharma. Thanks to both of you I am a much better person. Oh! Thanks for the link to Obamas website that I could not find.
    David

  • There’s no doubt that Obama can run rhetorical rings around McSame, and there’s equally no doubt that the Rethugs can’t win on the issues. Obama is in a honeymoon phase at the moment. His real test will come when his campaign has to deal with what the right-wing slime machine throws at him. It isn’t going to be pretty, and the MSM will turn it into a marathon. The issues will get lost, and the usual trival, irrelevant nonsense, will take center-stage. It’s a long time until November.

    Obama’s doing great. If only Kerry had campaigned even for a week like Obama is now. But the big slime-monster is just beginning to stir, and his resources are going to be huge. It’s going to be entertaining only if we can all detach ourselves and treat it like a show. I can’t.

  • I don’t know how he doesn’t win…

    John McCain: Here’s to you, poor people!
    McCainonomics 101.
    John McCain: Your retirement is too secure as it is, don’t you think?
    John McCain: Here’s to you, OH, PA, MI!
    John McCain: Can’t poor sick children just get a job already?
    John McCain: 100 more years of war!
    John McCain supporting our troops by keeping them uneducated.
    Who knows better how you should act with your own body, why of course, John McCain!
    4 more years of Bush/McCain policies! They’ve worked so well so far!

  • “Obama is in a honeymoon phase at the moment. His real test will come when his campaign has to deal with what the right-wing slime machine throws at him.”

    I’ve always thought this was a rather silly point. It’s not like Obama hasn’t already been putting up with it. They’ve been sliming him for a while now. For that matter, Clinton wasn’t exactly playing nice either.

    Seriously, Obama knows exactly what’s coming, and he’s already proven that he can be proactive in dealing with it. He’s learned from Gore’s and Kerry’s mistakes.

  • Suggestion to all CB readers:

    Whenever you run into an ad for McCain, or an “adsense’ or ‘google Ad’ or anything remotely smelling like McCain is spending money getting his message out…

    Click it and go to the site. Once there, click a few of the links and close the tab or page. You only wasted about 10-15 seconds. BUT the Republicans and/or McCain will get a invoice for that clicking.

    Let’s all help McCain spend his money, by clicking his links every time you get a chance.

  • An observation:

    It’s nice to see that over the last several days, the venom between Obama and Clinton fans has all but dissipated.

    On the the general as a unified block. It’s great to see.

  • Bruno, @35,

    I tried. But the only active buttons are “join now” and “donate”. I wanted to see what the “bold solutions” were but, apparently, it’s “pay per view”… And, since I refuse to buy a pig in a poke, we’re left with a stand-off.

  • thanks libra for trying…. His campaign still has to pay for your try. that’s what counts.

  • also , when you click on that link that asks you to ‘join’…. near the bottom is a link to his website….. there you can be ‘amazed’ at the hogwash he’s dishing.

  • It’s kind of interesting that when you click on McBush’s link and go to the sign up page, there’s no McBush there. It’s a photo of a crowd of fools holding some McBush signs but no McBush. And the ad here is a picture of McBush during his Forrestal fire starter days looking somewhat younger than he does now.

    McBush will be everywhere. There’s no hiding what he looks like. But when they’ve got a choice, they aren’t plastering his jowly old fart visage around as reminders of the guy who’s been around for a third of our country’s history since independence.

  • When Steve said “In general, I’d prefer less talk that paints McCain in a positive light” it bothered me. Brooks (@8) made my points more clearly — and certainly more succinctly — than I could have done. We forget, or are too young to know, that in the pre-Atwater, pre-Gingrich days, politics wasn’t a version of Extreme Cage Fighting or whatever that stuff is that I keep seeing ads for. It is possible to attack someone’s ideas without attacking him personally.

    But I think there is another factor in this. I think Obama knows more about Martin Luther King than most of us remember or ever knew. And I think he has taken him as his role model.

    I don’t mean the poster with the Four Words — or even The Speech. And how sad it is that most of us see him only as the maker of The Speech. We forget his ten years of fighting — and winning — the battle against segregation. We forget how much he was a follower of Gandhi — or that Gandhi’s philosophy was not just ‘non-violence’ but ‘truth-force.’

    It was ‘political jiu-jitsu’ indeed. Martin kept his eyes focused on his goals, on the evils he was fighting. But it was an evil way of thinking — not evil men — that he saw as the enemy. I could be wrong — it’s been over forty years — but I never remember him verbally attacking even the Bull Connors, the Klansmen, the WCCs and the Wallaces, Thurmonds and Faubuses, or the J. Edgar Hoover. He could have. he was such a wonderful speaker he could have won every verbal battle he chose to enter into. And if he had, he would have lost the war he was fighting.

    So Hovver and many others called him a Communist. Instead of responding, he went on fighting segregation — and showing its evil face to the world. He was called a radical, his religious faith was doubted, other blacks accused him of being too soft, too impractical, a sell-out — and he responded by fighting harder for social and economic justice, and answered his critics by winning the battles he had time for. He was attacked for his personal life, and Hoover attempted to blackmail him over it — as he had done to so many Presidents. Martin simply made a speech speaking against the war that was shattering America — and putting him against some who had been strong allies in his other fights. (He didn’t have time to win that one.)

    And as I look at the long campaign between Obama and Hillary, and the campaign beginning against McCain, I see just those traits in Obama. He does still believe in the good sense of America — in other words he believes democracy gets it right, eventually — and he believes in just the sort of ‘truth-force’ that, so improbably, won the battles against segregation.

    So don’t expect the sort of name-calling and personal attacks we see here. Don’t even expect 527s ‘covering his flank.’ He has said — and I believe him — that he will stop any of his campaigners or donors from contributing to them. He’ll do what he did in the primaries, never attack his opponent personally, keep his cool and his classiness — and turn every one of the attacks back against the attackers by keeping his eyes on the goal and the ideas he is fighting for and against — not the people.

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