Fundamentalism: No fun, not very mental

Guest Post by Morbo

Nicholas von Hoffman of the New York Observer is one of those guys who deliberately writes over-the-top stuff to get people worked up. It’s a fun formula that usually provides a good read.

Von Hoffman’s column this week is an inflammatory screed calling on all heathens to rise up against their religious overlords. I love a good rip-snorter as much as anyone, and von Hoffman knows how to deliver the goods.

Somebody or something has got to start battling religion itself. God is the enemy — meaning the God locked up by organized religions and guarded by ministers, priests, rabbis, popes and mullahs.

This is not a struggle to be carried on in the law courts and the legislatures. Religionists are crawling in everywhere, swarming the schools, movies, medicine and research labs. Their intent is to install a faith commissar to oversee every major social institution. We don’t need lawyers here; we need fumigators. We need people in HAZMAT suits to go in and smoke ’em out.

The emotional part of me says, “Preach it, Nicholas!” while the rational part says, “There, there. Let’s take a deep breath. Religious people are not the problem. Fundamentalists are the problem.” The rational side wins out. I know plenty of religious people who long ago made their peace with the modern world and have no desire, as von Hoffman puts it so quaintly, to engage in “old-fashioned religious throat-slitting.”

I can introduce you to moderate Baptists who, while theologically conservative, defend freedom of conscience and demand that everyone enjoy the right to worship or not worship as they see fit. I know progressive Protestants who just want to meet in church and do their own thing with no desire to use the power of the state to force their beliefs on anyone.

I’ve met sincere Christians who really have made the world a better place because they take seriously the teachings of Jesus about providing for those less fortunate.

Yes, there are many in America whose faith motivates them to hate. They are loud and aggressive and their voices often drown out those whose faith pushes them in the direction of service to fellow man. We call these folks fundamentalists.

Somewhere along the way, Christianity became identified with the James Dobsons and Pat Robertsons of the world. This is a shame, because I remain convinced that the founder of Christianity, were he to return today, wouldn’t spend one minute inside Robertson’s Georgian mansion or Dobson’s high-tech fundamentalist factory at the foot of Pike’s Peak.

Jesus would spend a minute listening to Dobson and Robertson rage against all those they hate, he would observe their faces twisted into masks of rage — and he would walk away, probably shaking his head as went off to comfort a sick person or help a poor kid. If Heaven is full of people like Dobson and Robertson and the self-righteous prigs who follow them, please send me to Hell.

Let’s face it: The United States is not going to be like Western Europe any time soon. In Western Europe, the idea of religion playing a political role is thought absurd; people tell pollsters that religion has little influence on their daily lives. It’s not going to happen here. America will continue to be a religious society for a long time to come. Shutting down religion is not the answer; directing people away from virulent forms of fundamentalism is.

The problem is, I don’t have an easy answer for how to do that. Something in the American psyche seems drawn to religions based on the primitive emotions of fear, hate and self-loathing. Perhaps someday we’ll have the answer and a remedy. We don’t today.

So what do we do in the meantime? For starters, not alienate those believers who are not insane. Tarring all religions with an extremist brush does a disservice to the believers who every day rebuke the fundamentalists and stand up for what is right.

Consider this: During last month’s “Justice Sunday” Religious Right rally, one observer said the following to the Louisville Courier-Journal: “We see ‘Justice Sunday’ as part of a larger effort to link church and state in ways not seen in America since the Puritans were hanging Quakers on Boston Commons and exiling Baptists to Rhode Island.”

Strong stuff. So what card-carrying, religion-hating Secular Humanist said it? His name is the Rev. Joe Phelps, and he’s pastor of Highland Baptist Church in Louisville. Phelps was one of 17 Baptist leaders who spoke out against the event.

It can be hard to believe today, but Baptists once led the fight for separation of church and state. Some still cling to their historic roots and continue the struggle today. In an overwhelmingly religious nation, we need their voice. We’d be lost without it.

Non-believers in America are a marginalized minority with zero political influence. Non-theists are great at getting into arguments about the writings of Immanuel Kant. They don’t know beans about lobbying Congress or winning an election.

I love von Hoffman’s shoot-from-the-hip style. I love that in America we have the right to criticize religion or praise it. But if secular lefties don’t build some bridges to progressive and moderate religious leaders our rights will slowly fade away as we slide down the slippery slope to James Dobson’s Theocracy U.S.A.

My guess is that you, me and Jesus himself won’t fit in very well there.

The version I heard was, No fun, all damn, and completely mental.

  • More & more I feel that the largest battle has to be fought within the context of religion before the political landscape can shift. “Moderate” Christians (meaning those with mainstream theological & Cristological views), who comprise the overwhelming majority of believers in America (let’s start with 65% & work up) are a diverse demographic. There is no common political goal. The Dominionist right, with its shared vision of a theocratic future, inspired by a belief that God is on their side, & with neocom allies within the GOP, has practically no large unified opposition within the Christian church. They understand most Catholics & Protestants have rarely needed to find common cause & form alliances on matters of religious belief. & we are also unaccustomed to using the coded language of evangelicals – we’ve failed to perceive the underlying messages of this language.

    Thank heavens for people like Jim Wallis, the author of the best-seller “God’s Politics: Why the Right Gets it Wrong and the Left Doesn’t Get It.” Wallis understands this language, uses it himself, & subscribes to every word of the “Apostles Creed.” Wallis has been traveling through America promoting his book, & guest preaching in churches. His message is simple: the right wing has hijacked American Christianity & the left wing is clueless on how to stop it. He’s saying pretty much that other Christians must deal with this dangerous situation, as an internal dispute.

  • The problem I see with moderate Christians, and those in other faiths, is that they create an aura of respectability and deference for a faith which is easily hijacked by whacked-out zealots. Thus it becomes theocratically incorrect to call out the fundies. As Sam Harris’ argued so well in his excellent book The End of Faith, moderates are being true to neither their scriptures (which generally preach all manner of extremism and persecution) nor to their rationalism (given that belief in god(s)—faith—is based on nothing but a grand assumption based on cultural mythologies). Religious moderates, in other words, live in an in-between land of unsynthesized belief systems vacillating as needed between rationalism and irrationality. The fact that they may be tolerant and ethical is not necessarily due to their faith, simply because they perform their good works within that context.

    As for unsynthesized belief systems, even the fundies themselves can’t integrate all the contradictions in their scriptures into a coherent whole, they just choose more of the irrational than rational. It’s just a matter of degree. But the grand prize of unsynthesized beliefs has to go to gay Republican fundies. Oh man, those guys are some kinda seriously screwed up. Talk about square pegs in round holes!

    I’ve got friends who are religious, of course, and family members who are solidly in the ChristoBushian cult. The deeper they are, the more they simply reject rationalism. Scientific atheists, on the other hand, go all out for the other end of the spectrum, embracing rationalism, logic, and evidence and rejecting out of hand that which cannot be proven. Moderates lie somewhere in between, with a foot in each camp. Just because they’re nice, doesn’t mean they’ve got the answers, though, and they are ultimately allies—albeit unwittingly and/or unwillingly—with the fundies.

  • President Lindsay

    I am so impressed with your comment. I wish I had come across this earlier today. Please come back and let’s have a talk sometime.

  • Great post, but I have to quibble with a few things.

    First of all, how can anyone seriously wonder why the USA is full of religious fundamentalists? The USA was *founded* by armed religious fanatics: the Puritans of Massachussets Bay Colony who you mention in your post. Remember, every Thanksgiving, why we are so fucked up: this country was founded by radical Puritan fundamentalist Utopians– and they’re still in charge!

    But not for long. You claim that non-religious people are a marginanised minority. Really? The statistics I’ve seen (via Digby, one of my favourite strident anti-religious bloggers) is that people are getting *less* religious, and the demographics point to a country much like Western Europe in a generation or two. The younger generation is much less likely to be religous than the current one, which in turn is much les religious than the one before it.

    In fact, these days I’m buying the the theory of devout Catholic Michael Moore: the right-wing fundamentalists in this country (and their cousins in the Middle East) are so loud and belligerent and violent because they are a dying breed of dinosaurs, and they know it. Science and modernism and multicultural tolerance are encroaching from all sides. The fundamentalists are cornered animals, and *nothing* fights more viciously than a cornered animal. Hence our ridiculous monkey-show in Kansas.

    I think this whole thing is just a particularly bad case of growing pains for the human race. When we’re done with it, we’ll either enter a new modern Enlightenment of reason, cooperation, and diversity, or we’ll all kill each other off. You pick.

  • “Yes, there are many in America whose faith motivates them to hate.”

    Where do you see hate? I see it in the eyes of Liberals not Christians.
    If it were up to liberals, Christians would be killed.

    The problem here is that non christians who have liberal ideas have no idea
    what a christian is, they think they are some fanatical person who hates or wants to kill people.

    When in fact the liberals have all tollerance of social conditions, sexual preferences, and basically
    everything else, but not the tollerance for Christians.

    I know this to be fact as I live in Los Angeles (west L.A). You guys can’t fool me.
    However, as long as you guys don’t start hating on christians, I support your right to speak even though I don’t agree with it.

  • Dear inaptly named ClearMind,

    You write, “If it were up to liberals, Christians would be killed.” Where you come up with such utter nonsense is beyond me. I suggest you read Ann Coulter (nothing I’d wish on a friend, but this would be instructional in your case) and listen to Rush and Michael Savage and other hate radio jocks (come on, you already do, right? Where else would you come up with such nonsense?). If you actually listen and read such drivel, you will have clearly heard them calling repeatedly for the heads of liberals, whilst they simultaneously tell you that liberals are out to destroy your way of life (though even the likes of them would probably only rarely allege something as outlandish as what you write).

    Contrary to your skewed view, the vast majority of us non-Christians know full well what Christians are, both tolerant ones and intolerant ones. We grew up in America, remember? Most of us have Christians in our own families, and certainly among our friends, relatives, and coworkers. We may find your beliefs groundless or even silly, but we don’t have a problem with you believing what you want. Just don’t get in everybody’s face with it. It’s the theocrats who engender the animosity and vitriol that’s sometimes directed against Christians as a group. Keep your faith to yourself and respect my right to my own lack of it, and all will be well. But even if you decide to be an insufferable proselytizing door-knocking self-righteous spiritually smug jerk, I’m not going to even think about killing you. Pity and/or revulsion would be the more likely response.

    Spare us the Christian victim lament, that was old already by Claudius’ time. And it’s really absurd today.

    Oh, and tings, we should talk sometime, I’ve noticed your posts too. Is there some way to exchange email addresses around here?

  • President Lindsay, I’m sorry, but I’d have to agree with ClearMind, but only up to a point.

    I don’t think liberals are out to kill christians. But I agree, when you say ‘I’m a christian’ to many of the active liberals online, they immediately assume you are ChristoBushian. And if you say you’re not ChristoBushian, then there’s the assumption that you must not really be a believer, just one who identifies with christianity.

    And frankly, as a person who disagrees with pretty much everything the BuchCo and the religious conservatives both on rational AND faith bases, getting lumped in with all these deluded people are really getting on my nerves these days.

    As you have stated and asked, I’m not in everybody’s face about it. I don’t go around assuming you want to hear my ‘version’ of religion. But neither should you assume that just because you don’t think there are liberal christians being hounded, it doesn’t happen. This is where I agree most with ClearMind: unless you are christian (and have been hounded by non-believers for it without doing anything but identify that you’re christian), you have no idea what it feels like.

    And you aptly demonstrated what ClearMind said about not having tolerance for christians (which, by the way, isn’t as pervasive among liberals as ClearMind suggests, but is still there nonetheless). Instead, why don’t you ask why he/she felt that way? Try to find out if there are other liberal christians who feel that way? (or not?)

    You’re comments pretty much sound like good ol’ righties, saying ‘oh spare us the liberal victim lament, you guys already own the media’ (which, btw, I definitely know not to be true).
    I don’t really know how well you’ll take my above comments, but even if you disagree, I hope you’ll agree with me that the party of hate is the religious republican party, not ours.

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