George Will on abortion’s ‘so-what’ factor

The WaPo’s George Will argues in his latest column that Americans need not base their presidential vote on Supreme Court justices and upholding Roe v. Wade. Will concedes, of course, that the “next president probably will have an opportunity to significantly shape the court,” but concludes it doesn’t really matter when it comes to reproductive rights. He says the “reasonable response” should be, “So what?”

Will basically offers a two-part argument to explain why it wouldn’t matter if a Republican presidential candidate stacked the court with more Scalias and Thomases. First, he argues, justices occasionally respect precedent, so the next justice (or justices) may end up backing Roe anyway. Second, he says, it wouldn’t matter anyway.

Again, so what? Many, perhaps most, Americans, foggy about the workings of their government, think that overturning Roe would make abortion, one of the nation’s most common surgical procedures, illegal everywhere. All it actually would do is restore abortion as a practice subject to state regulation. But because Californians are content with current abortion law, their legislature probably would adopt it in state law.

It is not irrational for voters to care deeply about a candidate’s stance regarding abortion because that stance is accurately considered an important signifier of the candidate’s sensibilities and sympathies, and of his or her notion of sound constitutional reasoning. But regarding abortion itself, what a candidate thinks about abortion rights is not especially important.

This comes up from time to time, though I usually hear it from Green Party supporters. (Ralph Nader, in each of the last two elections, has said it wouldn’t matter if Bush stacked the high court because some states would probably keep abortion rights legal.)

But as long as Will’s making the argument, which we’re likely to hear again as the campaign unfolds, it’s probably worth taking a moment to explain how wrong it is.

Will’s first contention is just silly on its face. Voters who care about these issues should take comfort in the fact that occasionally conservative justices vote to take stare decisis seriously? That’s hardly comforting.

But it’s the second part of the argument that’s important. Will envisions a system in which Americans’ constitutional rights, at least with regards to privacy, vary from state to state. Dana Goldstein highlights the flaws in this logic.

[I]s it inconceivable that while women in California and New York understand their own states are likely to protect existing abortion rights, they also believe strongly that other women, in Mississippi and South Dakota and Nebraska, deserve the same freedom? Secondly, Will’s argument proceeds from the spurious assumption that in “liberal” states, access to abortion is already universal and protected by the law. In fact, low-income women who rely upon Medicaid for health care are barred by the federal government from using their benefits to access abortion. So the reproductive health priorities of the next president are crucially important not only to protecting choice in individual states, but to expanding it nationwide.

For that matter, Will’s overarching point is that there’s simply a disconnect between a president’s power and a woman’s right to choose. But that’s wrong, too, as Bush recently made clear by naming an opponent of birth control to head the federal government’s family planning office.

As Goldstein concluded, “George Will asks, ‘So what?’ if we elect an anti-choice president. Earth to George: Women will suffer! And the poorer and more vulnerable they are, the more they’ll be adversely affected.”

Is Mr. Will going through his male menopause? His reproductive rights are certainly not being threatened by this neo-con Supreme Court. Men telling women what to do… It’s been going on for ten-thousand years, so G. Will wants to keep it going… What a prick…

  • Oklahoma would outlaw all abortion in a flash if the Supreme Court said that we could. So where could Oklahoma women go for an abortion? Texas? Kansas? Arkansas?

    It certainly does matter what a new crop of Scalias, Thomases, Robertses, and Alitos do about abortion after 2008. George Will is an idiot.

  • George Will knows that if the American people start caring about who does what to who when, asswipes like him will shortly be on the unemployment line.

  • “…other women, in Mississippi and South Dakota and Nebraska, deserve the same freedom?”

    Legal abortion in those states is already forbidden de facto by restrictive regulations that have driven providers away. If a patchwork quilt of privacy rights is what we fear, we’re already there.

  • I see Will’s argument as evolutionary.

    First move: Make it a state decision.
    Second move: Make it illegal for state’s to make it legal.

    Or, if you will, pulling the thing out from behind the right wing “fog”:

    Bullwinkle #1:

    Watch me pull a state law right out of the hat.

    Bullwinkle # 2:

    Watch me pull a state law right out from under your feet:

  • It is not possible to overturn Roe v. Wade, without also effectively abandoning the “right to privacy” argument, upon which it is based.

    So, if Roe v Wade is rolled up, pretty much all of the Constitutional protections Americans enjoy to plan and conduct their personal lives will follow. The same doctrine that overturned state prohibitions on abortion, was used to overturn state laws prohibiting birth control, co-habitation of un-married couples, and gay sex.

    We are talking about the legal principle, that the government needs a compelling and rationally-based interest before it does anything to interfere in the decisions an individual makes about the most intimate and personal aspects of their own lives.

    You want a fascist state. This is the road

  • To second #2 OkieFromMuskogee, not to mention all the states passing other restrictive laws, such as those prohibiting the crossing of their state borders for the purpose of obtaining abortions (such as to travel to a state where they are less constrained).

  • George Will is obviously going down some demented pathway here.

    Of course it makes a difference. And it is NOT a solitary issue.

    I think the commonality is that all these yoyos are mean and full of hate and fear…seeking power over women because inside they feel powerless and fearful. They are like the dogs that bite from fear. They are the same men who want to build walls and banish anyone who is different (color, nationality, creed and sexuality)…..They cling to authority right or wrong. They do not value rationality or science. The new GOP panders to little minds of hate and fear and offers them the hope that they will someday be the master race/sex. Of course the little guys don’t realize how they are being manipulated by their corporate masters, because in the end that is who is gaining power over the land and people. Oh what a web.

  • ***George Will asks, ‘So what?’ if we elect an anti-choice president.***

    One should offer up the opposing query to Mr. Will, by asking, ‘So what?’ if we elect a pro-choice president. Would such an idea intimidate Mr. Will and his “beyond the cliff of constipated cognition” associates in Babble-burg agree equally to the logic of such an inquiry?

    Will the knuckledragger commonly referred to as George Will adopt such an idea with equal vigor?

    No?

    Earth to George Will: STFU….

  • “Women will suffer! And the poorer and more vulnerable they are, the more they’ll be adversely affected.”

    George Will: “So what?”

  • so if it’s ok for a woman from mississippi seeking an abortion (post-roe v. wade’s overturn) to go to massachusetts to get one, would george will argue that it’s ok for a gay couple married in massachusetts to move to mississippi and expect to receive all the legal niceties?

  • I’m so damn sick of abortion and gay rights being trotted out as the biggest threats to civilization the world has ever seen. We’re up to our bleeding jugulars in an endless, futile war that is killing our young people by the scores and bankrupting the US Treasury, our government has been completely taken over by insane thugs who seem bent on nuking Iran – and all these asshats can worry about is who’s having sex with who and what women might be doing with their uteruses. Not to mention the glaring irony of worrying about fetuses while killing living, breathing human beings without a qualm in the goddamn war. Jesus tap-dancing Christ! I’ve got a solution to the abortion problem – let’s just cut the balls off of every dickhead that knocks up a woman! Think that’ll fly? No? Don’t want anyone telling you what to do with your sacred sacks? then quit telling women what to do with their bodies. End of story. Now, how about dealing with some real earth-shaking issues?

  • Maryland had a ballot question that codified Roe V Wade into Maryland law if it is overturned at teh fed level.

    Truly nothing WOULD change here. At least, not at first.

    Curiously, a Maryland court refused to declare a gay marriage ban unconstitutional because the state had a legitimate interest in perpetuation of the species and therefore discouraging gay sex / relationships.

    Anyone who doesn’t see this as ominous for birth control and abortion needs to learn the game of chess.

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