Geraldine Ferraro says Obama is lucky to be a black man

About a month ago, Pennsylvania Gov. Ed Rendell (D), a key Clinton backer and former DNC chairman, raised a few eyebrows when he waded into the dangerous waters of racial politics and the presidential campaign. Rendell told the editorial board of the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette, “You’ve got conservative whites here, and I think there are some whites who are probably not ready to vote for an African-American candidate.” He went on to argue that black candidates, in general, underperform against similarly qualified white candidates.

It was a clumsy remark, but hardly over the line. It’s likely that Rendell was just trying to make some kind of sociological observation — there are some white racists out there, and their bigotry may very well lead them to oppose Barack Obama. Rendell didn’t say that this was a good thing, only that the problem exists. With Obama having made similar remarks, Rendell’s analysis was only mildly controversial.

Geraldine Ferraro’s latest remarks, however, seem more disconcerting. The former congresswoman, Democratic Vice Presidential candidate in 1984, and major Clinton backer made the odd argument to a reporter this week that Obama has only reached this point on the national political scene because of his race.

When the subject turned to Obama, Clinton’s rival for the Democratic Party nomination, Ferraro’s comments took on a decidedly bitter edge. […]

“If Obama was a white man, he would not be in this position,” she continued. “And if he was a woman (of any color) he would not be in this position. He happens to be very lucky to be who he is. And the country is caught up in the concept.”

I found it hard not to cringe at the text. In 1984, there were a lot of people who said Ferraro hadn’t earned her political position, and that, “If Ferraro were a man, she would not be in this position.” Likewise, MSNBC’s Chris Matthews recently argued that Hillary Clinton hadn’t really earned her position on the national stage, and only reached this point because of her husband.

All of these comments are foolish, and more than a little offensive.

I appreciate the strides we’ve made as a country on race and civil rights, but it’s odd to hear a high-profile figure argue publicly that a politician is lucky to be black. As Spencer Ackerman, knee deep in sarcasm, put it:

Often times, I think to myself: God, I’m so disadvantaged by not being black in America! It’s like you can’t even find work in the media as a Jew these days. Everywhere you go, the country just yields more and more African-Americans in positions of power, prestige and responsibility and builds prisons and blighted schools and substandard levees for white people. […]

Some people — or, rather, peoples — have all the luck!

Worse, as DHinMI noted, “The fact is, there are a lot of White people in American who believe they’re at a disadvantage, that Blacks get things handed to them. The idea may be foreign to some people, but I’ve heard it my entire life. I’ve heard it at family gatherings, in my neighborhood when I was a kid, from family friends and all kinds of other folks.”

I’ve heard it far too many times myself, just usually not from leaders of the Democratic Party.

The Clinton campaign’s Howard Wolfson told Ben Smith, “We disagree with her,” when asked about Ferraro’s remarks. It’s a start.

Those Clinton people say the darndest things!

Desperation can do that to ya.

  • Chris Matthews recently argued that Hillary Clinton hadn’t really earned her position on the national stage, and only reached this point because of her husband.

    All of these comments are foolish, and more than a little offensive.

    Call me foolish and offensive then. I think Tweety got into the hot water over that comment for the mysoginistic way he said that and other things (and the bit about her only succeeding because Bill cheated on her was absolutely retarded IMO). But the point that she would not be the shoe-in nominee (in 2007, heh) if she wasn’t the wife of Bill is perfectly valid.

    What are her accomplishments, exactly? Certainly they exist, she isn’t a stuffed parrot like Laura Bush, but are they enough to make her the figure she is, or is she borrowing some of her “experience” from her husband?

    Obviously she is, but it’s not PC to say that kind of thing.

  • Disagree? DISAGREE??

    No, no, no, Mr. Wolfson. I think you need to be very clear whether you reject, denounce, or reject AND denounce those comments, possibly the most hateful and bitter to come from the Clinton camp to-date.

    I’m not holding my breath though.

  • Is this a joke? Did this bigotch really make these racist comments with a straight white face? This is a thousand times worse than Powers’ “monster” comment. Perhaps, it’s monsters who are keeping Hillary Clinton in this race.

  • It wasn’t the smartest thing for Geraldine to say, and I suspect she is bitter about how high the barriers were for her, and she is pretty tied into gender identity issues.

    That said, I think there is a fair case to be made that if Obama were a great orator with excellent progressive ideas but were a white male, he’d be John Edwards.

    And we know how far that got John Edwards.

    Race and Gender, as unconfortable as they can be, exist and cannot be ignored when analyzing the dynamics of the 2008 race. Edwards got lost in the shuffle because Obama and Clinton each had potentially history makingcandidacies that were, for that reason alone, assured to get more news coverage, more buzz, and more excitement among certain liberals than someone trying to be the next in an unbroken line of white male Presidents.

    I think a white Obama looks and sounds a lot like John Edwards. For that matter, to be fair, I suspect that a male Hillary Clinton doesn’t fare as well, either, except she still starts out with massive name ID and a great political Rolodex if her. . . brother Bill had been President already.

    I think the in some ways more offensive part of what Ferraro is saying is the implicit part — that among historically unrepresented identity groups, women should get to go first, before blacks. (This is to some degree what a lot of second-wave feminists have been saying.) I understand her frustration, but in my experience the relative inability of black civil rights activists and womens civil rights activists to get along over the years has hurt both camps (and only helped rich white men); I wish they would both knock it off (although I tend to side with the women only because I get really annoyed at the number of black activists who want nothing to do with the gay rights movement and rebel against gays using the Loving v Virginia case).

  • If you turned Obama white and left him with all of his rhetorical gifts, activist past, and repeated statements against a deeply unpopular war he would have had this nomination wrapped up a long time ago.

  • I don’t remember what Ferraro said, even though it was about a week ago, but I was so shocked that I found it hard to believe. She was speaking about the primary on NPR, I think, employing every iota of anti-Obama spin. Whatever respect I had for her is now gone.

  • Actually: JRE doesn’t have the rhetorical gifts of Obama IMO. But JRE’s biggest self-inflicted wound was voting for the war and I think that really hurt him, apology or no. He doesn’t have the decades of publicity that Clinton has and the same number or level of hard core supporters. People who defended the Clintons to the rhetorical death seem to think it’s time to do that again against the young (relatively) insurgent who is trying to take what’s rightfully hers.

  • “If Obama was a white man, he would not be in this position,”

    Ferraro is right.

    If Obama was a white man, he’d be Mike Huckabee.

  • Edwards is a good man, but in addition to being wrong on the war when we needed him to be right, he also voted for a lot of other legislation that he had to back away from as a presidential candidate.

    He did well because he was saying the right things in the primary, but his overall voting record wasn’t much to be excited about. Obama has a much more progressive voting record, and the rhetorical chops to go with it. I agree that if he was white he would do better than he has among many, and worse with others (blacks in particular). The net effect… Who Knows.

  • @RacerX #11

    Obama has a much more progressive voting record

    Especially if you count giving Lord Bush dictator powers with the Defense Authorization Act of 2007. Very “progressive.”

  • Shocking but true if he were white this race would have been over Feb 5 and Hillary would have been the nominee.

  • He happens to be very lucky to be who he is.

    It has always been a huge advantage to be a black guy in America. Hell, everybody knows that. Especially when running for political office. That’s why there are . . . well, one black guy in the Senate.

    And, Comeback Bill, Hillary did think the race was over February 5th, much to her chagrin when it wasn’t.

  • See, it isn’t racist to point out how much of an advantage it is to be black in America rather than white. Just reality. I’m glad the Clinton supporters have cleared that up.

  • To quote Marc Ambinders, “because it’s sooooo easy to run as a black man with the name Barack Hussein Obama”

    I mean, please. This is stupid.

    And no, Obama is not simply a black John Edwards, the suggestion that Edwards’ tails of regular Americans ever comes even close to Obama’s rhetorical flourishes…misses the best of what Obama offers as a speaker. It also misses the fact that Obama’s biography trumps Edwards’ easily, that he’s probably twice as smart and comes off that way, that he’s more accomplished as a politician, that his positions and history are consistent with his campaign message, etc etc.

    I mean, really…no.

  • No upbringing screams “structural advantages” quite like “black, raised by a single mother, son of an immigrant”

    Everyone knows how much the red carpet is laid out for folks like that.

  • Geraldine Ferraro is capable of the type of irony that I only thought was the domain of right wingnuts.

    To turn her expression on its ear, if Obama was white, and didn’t have the middle name Hussein, Hillary Clinton would not be in the position as she is in of still contending for the nomination after Super Tuesday.

  • I don’t know, Racer X (#11) – I suspect that a contest between Hillary, Edwards, and a white Obama is Hillary’s fairly easily. I think there is a “barrier breaking” constituency among the left who think “anyone but a white male” is a long overdue message, and more substantively, that the different “worldview” that goes along with the identity makes a difference in governance. And the news value would remain as well. It may be that a substantial segment of Obama supporters would have given Hillary more of a look from the start if she were the only non-traditional candidate in the mix.

  • (I should make clear that a key assumption underlies all of my comments on this thread: that Obama – black or the hypothetical white version, Clinton and Edwards are all “viable” candidates – that the rank and file can actually envision each of them winning the nomination, being competitive nationally, and being capable of serving. The history aspect is not relevant for anyone if that assumption is not valid – i.e. Keyes, Chisolm given when she ran, Ferraro had she topped the ticket in 84, etc)

  • So let’s flip Ferarro’s quote from heads to tails:

    If Hillary was a man, she would not be in this position,” Chris Matthew’s continued. “And if she was woman of color she would not be in this position. She happens to be very lucky to be who she is. And the country is caught up in the concept.

    Why Chris Matthew’s should be fired!
    How dare the little tweety monster talk like that?

    Now how about some serious commentary:

    We are in the last stages of the campaign. The Clintons can’t win of course. Unless they cheat. The only way cheating can occur is if the Clintons can divide and conquer. Fear of the black boy in the Oval office works. We are seeing lots of that slime. Calling the black boy a good choice for veep, despite the fact that he is winning, that works too: Back of the bus boy! Passing around photos of the black boy in native garb? Priceless politics!

    That’s who the Clintons are.
    And that’s what they are up to.

    Divide and conquer. Subtle race-baiting works well.
    Which is also to say: Ferarro has done her sordid best…
    And listen to the progressive chorus upthread swell in behind her!

  • Oy vey. I hate this sort of thing. It is Obama’s rhetorical abilities that have elevated him to his current status. He is a great communicator who inspires people. Period. His race has nothing to do with that; as someone commented above, if he were white but had the exact same rhetoric and delivery, he would be in the same position that he is now. The fact that he is a history-making candidate because of his race is merely, as they say in New Orleans, the lagniappe. To paraphrase a certain 1992 candidate’s slogan, “It’s the rhetoric, stupid!”

  • So let’s flip Ferarro’s quote from heads to tails:

    If Hillary was a man, she would not be in this position,” Chris Matthew’s continued. “And if she was woman of color she would not be in this position. She happens to be very lucky to be who she is. And the country is caught up in the concept.

    Actually, I think that hypothetical statement would largely be a true one, but for Hillary’s name ID and pre-existing network. If a male Hillary were running against Edwards and a black Obama, everything I’ve said upthread about history-making and inherent change would be equally true. And I would go so far as to say if she were a woman of color, that might be more “change” than would be electable in 2008. So yes, given precisely where we are as a country and a party in 2008, I do think she is “lucky” to be – in an identity sense – who she is.

    Again, the key here is that none of them are just lucky; they all are also good at what they do and have done; identity alone is not enough for anyone more than a fringe who have no ability to elect anyone.

    In part, Hillary got caught in unbelievably bad timing. At a time when people want change so badly, the most visceral, visible kind of change — no white male — should have been a huge deal for her. But she gets a little worried about it, and while presenting an identity change, hedges by running on a safer, experience them: I’m change, but I’m still safe! Then along comes Obama, who like Hillary is inherently “change,” but runs hard on the substance of change as well. And in this year, his “change 2-fer” beats her one-kind-of-change in terms of buzz and, so far, in delegates.

  • I think you’ve misunderinterpretated Geraldine’s comments, Steve.

    “If Obama was a white man, he would not be in this position,”

    Geraldine surely knows Obama is as much a white man as he is a black man, skin color notwithstanding. So she’s realllllllly saying no white man could have come as far as Obama the blackman has come. That sounds like white racism to me, and praise for the black man.

    “And if he was a woman (of any color) he would not be in this position.”

    Clearly this smear is directed at HRC; if Clinton realllllllly was a woman, she “would not be in this position” either, ya know?

    And finally:

    “He happens to be very lucky to be who he is.”

    Well of course he’s lucky! How else could a black man, mongrelized by white genes, ever get anywhere in this pro-black country of ours?

    “You mean. . . I’m gonna STAY this color??” —Steve Martin as Nathan, in “The Jerk”

  • 24. Actually. . . said: Actually, I think that hypothetical statement would largely be a true one, but for Hillary’s name ID and pre-existing network. If a male Hillary were running against Edwards and a black Obama, everything I’ve said upthread about history-making and inherent change would be equally true.

    If a male Hillary were running that against anyone then Bill and Hill would be a gay couple, which would arguably be even more history-making. Anyway, you ignored his point, which was that Hillary’s campaign would be calling for Matthews to be apologize or be fired if he said anything like what Ferraro did.

  • Geraldine Ferraro hit the nail on the head. I agree with her assessment. Obama is an empty suit. The white people are caught up in the hoopla of his motivation speeches and the black people would vote for anyone that is African American even no matter what his background. I thought he wasn’t going to run for President until 2012?? Well he won’t be President in 2008 because I like a lot of people that I come across will switch party lines and vote Republican for McCain! Empty suite that is all Obama is!

  • Unfortunate observations by Ferraro.

    I agree with Steve. Everybody knows it is very unlucky to be a black man.

    Falks

  • If Obama were white, he’d be Mario Cuomo. An inspiring orator, also launched into a credible presidential candidate on the basis of an inspiring keynote speech. Obama took it and ran with it, however (no pun intended) while Cuomo dithered, realizing he wasn’t qualified for that job. Because, frankly, who is?

  • However you want to look at it, Ferraro is just plain wrong.

    She was selected as vice president in 1984 because she was a woman. She only had 6 years of experience as a U.S. representative.

    Hillary is in her current position because she is Bill Clinton’s wife. She couldn’t have been able to run for the new york senate seat without Bill’s connections. She only has 7 years of experience as a elected official.

    Obama spent 8 years in Illinois senate, then 3 years in U.S. senate. His 11 years of experience is more than that of Ferraro and Hillary.

    Ferraro’s comment is racist and mean-spirited. She should blame Hillary for squandering her decisive advantage at the start of the election. Obama has ran a better campaign and should be commended instead of the insults and racial innuendos being lobbed at him.

    Ferraro’s comment is a case of the kettle calling the pot black. If not for her gender she would be a nobody. Since 1984 she has not had a meaningful political career. She is the least qualified person to speak on political free rides or affirmative action.

  • In part, Hillary got caught in unbelievably bad timing. At a time when people want change so badly, the most visceral, visible kind of change — no white male — should have been a huge deal for her. But she gets a little worried about it, and while presenting an identity change, hedges by running on a safer, experience them: I’m change, but I’m still safe!

    Name recognition and brand loyalty aren’t easily translatable to “change.” For many of us, the fact that she’s the first viable female candidate isn’t as significant as her status as the second Clinton candidate–an identity that she’s unambiguously embraced, and one that many progressives now see for the self-interested and unprincipled sham that it is. I’m not particularly inclined to build that bridge back to the 20th century.

  • “Dr King’s dream began to be realised when President Lyndon Johnson passed the Civil Rights Act of 1964. It took a president to get it done”

    Hillary Clinton remark just before South Carolina. Then after South Carolina Bill Clinton’s remark about comparing the SC win to Jesse Jacksons campaign. These are two comments which had nothing to do with color, but were so distorted and overblown it didn’t matter. These distortions caused Hillary to lose South Carolina and created this dead heat from the start. Now I hope everyone is not nieve enough to believe that Obama’s camp had nothing to do with it otherwise you need a serious lesson in the game of politics.

    Now there is no denying that there is much to Obama than his race and has also won a crowd of very enthused supporters. However, he has played the race card to his full advantage. He doesn’t use it now because, quite frankly, he doesn’t have to. Race may not be a huge factor in this race, but it is a factor on either side, unless you are too blind to see it

  • Now I remember what Ferraro said last week that made me squirm. Turns out it wasn’t Obama-bashing directly. Rather, she was justifying the influence of superdelegates like herself by dismissing primaries & caucuses. Anybody can infiltrate primaries, Ferraro said, so the results are unreliable. Better to let the superdelegates decide.

    I quit listening to her at that point.

    BTW, Obama is firing back by saying Clinton doesn’t pass the Commander In Chief test. The complaint still stands: don’t give ammo to the GOP. If you must, accuse Clinton of hypocrisy: ‘She doesn’t meet her own C-in-C test’ or suchlike.

  • Well he won’t be President in 2008 because I like a lot of people that I come across will switch party lines and vote Republican for McCain! Empty suite that is all Obama is!

    Well, you’re right about one thing. He won’t be president in 2008. He will be President in 2009, though, after winning the election in 2008.

    I’m glad that you like a lot of the people you come across. Oh, that’s not what you meant, was it? Try some punctuation to break up that ridiculous thought of yours.

    Oh, and good riddance. Enjoy voting for McSame, who is apparently not a hotel room devoid of furniture as you state Obama is.

  • Ferraro’s comments matter because ?? Talk about living in a bubble, no one gives a damn what she thinks.

    That being said, I would whole heartedly agree with her. Not a night goes by that I don’t pray to wake up black. To be harassed by police, to be looked and regarded as inferior by some, to get paid less, to have every accomplished in my life scrutinized as some product of my skin, that is my dream. As a white man I am totally discriminated against, people don’t get all nervous when I walk by, no one glares at me when I am with a white girl, no one asks me who won the Lakers game or what Jesse Jackson is up to. For christ sakes, Rush Limbaugh and Bill O’Reilly never degrade my whole race, it’s just not fair. I want to be portrayed in email jokes as a lazy, watermelon eating bafoon, and to have those jokes distributed by the DA responsible for more black executions then any other. Just once I wish some tobacco chewing Texan would call me ‘boy’ with venom. Ohhh to a life that so much doesn’t represent my own….

    Yes, the whole world knows Gerry that it is so easy to be black in White America.

  • No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.

    Above are the qualification for being president of the US; I believe OBAMA meets every one of them.

  • I meant winning the election in 2008. I am not stupid. It will be in November of 2008 when we learn who will be our next president and it will not be Mr. Empty Suit “Hussein” Good riddens to him. I didn’t realize that we would be criticized for our punctuation. I was in a hurry to get my thoghts supporting what Geraldine stated that I didn’t proof read my comments. Shame on me! However, the end result will still be the same. So long Mr. Empty Suit.

  • Oh before “doubtful” comes back. I meant to type thoughts and proofread all one word.

  • I am not stupid. -LINDA

    I’ll need to see some verifiable evidence before I believe that, troll.

  • “Doubtful” Get a life. I am not a troll. I am a Clinton supporter. If you can’t stand the heat in the kitchen, get out! I can’t help it if you are a “Hussein” supporter!

  • I didn’t realize that we would be criticized for our punctuation. -LINDA

    Only trolls who use phrases like ‘Mr. Empty Suit “Hussein”’ are subjects to this level of scrutiny. I find it especially absurd to put forth such baseless inanity while also butchering the English language.

    Good riddens to him. -LINDA

    Oh, come on, I just spelled this for you in my comment at 34. R I D D A N C E

    I was in a hurry to get my thoghts supporting what Geraldine stated that I didn’t proof read my comments. -LINDA

    A trend I see you intend to continue. Hope all the ‘thoghting’ doesn’t hurt your head too much.

    I am not a troll. -LINDA

    Again, where’s the supporting evidence?

    I can’t help it if you are a “Hussein” supporter! -LINDA

    That is the ignorant language of a troll.

  • My last comment on this subject is he is never going to make it. Should “empty suit” win the nomination, that is the furthest he will go. McCain will take him in November. Most democrats will switch party lines come November. Enjoy the ride while you can.

  • Predictably, this post has brought out the lunatic fringe on both sides (of the Democratic nomination fight). However, if you look over the poll results – which have been parsed to a fare-thee-well – you will note that Obama holds the lead among the younger and the better-educated elements of the population. Hillary tends to pull better with the redneck gun-nut crowd (if there can be said to be much of that sort of crowd among Democrats) who perceive her as hawkish, and more likely to offer further ass-kicking of sanction-crippled brown people, and the elderly, who yearn for life the way it was (and can never be again).

    Ferraro’s assertion is therefore analogous to suggesting the better educated and the youth elements of the electorate are actually the dimwits, while those who start to salivate when you ring the “National Security” bell have spotted qualities in leadership that their supposedly brighter counterparts have missed.

    Comments above serve to further reinforce this ridiculous assumption.

  • ScottW

    That being said, I would whole heartedly agree with her. Not a night goes by that I don’t pray to wake up black. To be harassed by police, to be looked and regarded as inferior by some, to get paid less, to have every accomplished in my life scrutinized as some product of my skin, that is my dream. As a white man I am totally discriminated against, people don’t get all nervous when I walk by, no one glares at me when I am with a white girl, no one asks me who won the Lakers game or what Jesse Jackson is up to. For christ sakes, Rush Limbaugh and Bill O’Reilly never degrade my whole race, it’s just not fair. I want to be portrayed in email jokes as a lazy, watermelon eating bafoon, and to have those jokes distributed by the DA responsible for more black executions then any other. Just once I wish some tobacco chewing Texan would call me ‘boy’ with venom. Ohhh to a life that so much doesn’t represent my own….

    You do realize that a black man or women reading this will probably want to beat the shit out of you.

  • The fact that Geraldine Ferraro was a way-out-of-her-depth moron in 1984 was the main reason I didn’t vote for the idiot stupid enough to play that loose with the vice-presidency and ask her to be his running mate.

    There’s a difference between actual Feminists versus female chauvinists like Geraldine Ferraro and Hillary Clinton.

    The fact that the Clintons want to play the race card this way, and the way they have used Billy Bozo, prove that I was right back in 1992 when I told people (who didn’t want to hear it) that Bill and Hillary were nothing more than yuppie opportunists and con artists. They were never actual Democrats.

    Once a Goldwater Girl, always a Goldwater Girl

  • I agree with Geraldine Ferraro’s comments, and applaud her for having the guts to state the cold, hard, truth. Of course, I agree that Hillary has far more to offer, with one of our country’s best president’s by her side. As “first-husband” “President Clinton” can do what no other first-spouse has been able to do before. He will be well received by foreign leaders, and will help to heal our country’s damaged reputation throughout the world! Come on! Based on this, how can anyone think that the B.O. ticket can in any way serve our country better?

    The American people have allowed this election to be based on race and gender. This makes me sick. We had an opportunity here to make real changes for the better with this election, and we turned this into a high school popularity contest – complete with teenage girls with crushes singing. We should be ashamed of ourselves as a nation.

    The most qualified man to lead our country dropped out of the race early – probably because there were no teenage girls making teeny-bopper YouTube videos about him! Joe Biden was sitting on the Foreign Relations Committee (and is now chair) when B.O. was doing drugs and wondering what to do with his life! Geraldine Ferraro is the only man or woman alive that has the guts to tell it like it is. THIS NATION IS CAUGHT UP IN A B.O. CRAZE AND IT STINKS! This is not an election for who is best qualified, it’s an election for who is the better campaigner!

  • I call him Hussein because that is his middle name and he seems to have a problem with it. He started making an issue of it. Why? Many people are called by all three of their names and I don’t recall anyone else having a problem with it. We don’t know enough about him and it is scary. What we are just starting to find out about him is even more frightening. His dealings with Tony Reznik and his ties to terrorists Willaim Ayres and Bernadette Dohm are just the tip of the iceberg.

  • To answer Ian, Barracks middle name is Hussein

    To Mark

    That may be true. However Barracks’ African-American support is in the neighborhood of 90-10. While he does lead in the category of youth and highly educated it is no where near this level. BTW the “redneck gunnut crowd” obviously refers to the white blue collar workers which Clinton leads.I may be a white collar man myself, but I have no animosity towards anyone who does nothing more than get up at the crack of dawn and works twice as hard as any of us for much less money and job security; most of the time supporting a family. Now maybe you were born with a better pot to piss in, but no reason you have to be a bastard about it.

  • The comments section has lost it’s way. We get it, you love Hillary or Obama, now please quit acting like you person has some inalienable right to the throne.

    It’s like listening to Limbaugh’s callers, spewing someone else’s talking points containing exactly zero though. Like Hbots and Obots programed with catchy bumper sticker quotes, and lacking any serious thought/debate.

    Linda, you are worse then a troll. A troll disrupts and spews non-sense on purpose, then leaves to start another fire. You think you are cleaver, and you really aren’t, it’s almost painful to watch what will invariably end up being some ‘I think the world hates Obama’ or ‘I think Hillary is the cat’s meow, why don’t you people understand’ non-sense dribbling out of your comments.

    Ya Linda, you don’t really need to comment. We get it, Hillary walks on water and Obama should be burned in Hell. Really, note taken, you can quit recycling you 5 gotcha phrases used in every single post. It really doesn’t get more effective with each post, it just makes reading other insightful comments that much harder.

    Silly me, you will never stop until… well until you find another annoying hobby and bug the shit out of some other unsuspecting suckers. From this point forward, I am going to refer to ALL mindless Hbots and Obots as Lindas.

    So all you Lindas out there, chill the fuck out and get a fucken grip and let people who are insightful have a civilized informing discussion and pay attention you just might learn something.

  • Ah, so we’ve got the race-baiting and religion-baiting, as well as the super-hypocrisy. Obama’s not perfect nor is he ethically spotless–nobody is–but I’ll take his Rezko mistake over the Clintons’ encyclopedic (and far more ardent) entanglements with sleazy influence-buyers, and Obama’s one conversation with two ex-radicals over Bad Boy Bill’s pardoning of Puerto Rican terrorists to help wifey’s first Senate campaign. Not to mention Marc Rich. As for the supporters of Nixon-in-a-Pantsuit… stay classy.

  • Chris Matthews recently argued that Hillary Clinton hadn’t really earned her position on the national stage, and only reached this point because of her husband.

    The truth is, if Hillary wasn’t Mrs. Bill Clinton, no one would know who she is. She is the perfect example of the traditional path to “power” for a woman – a strategic marriage one stays in at all costs. The further truth of Hillary Clinton is that she has set back the cause of feminism 20 years, the same way she set back the cause of universal health care.

  • ScottW (#52) said: Linda, you are worse then a troll. A troll disrupts and spews non-sense on purpose, then leaves to start another fire. You think you are cleaver, and you really aren’t,

    She certainly isn’t!!! 🙂

  • Geraldine is so 20th century. Bringing up sex or race now is just trying to drive a wedge between a candidate and his/her supporters. Maybe she thinks that along with party designation ballots should contain sex, race, religion, ethnicity? America in some senses is trying to exorcise old demons. Is Geraldine trying to revive them?

  • “I call him Hussein because that is his middle name and he seems to have a problem with it. He started making an issue of it. Why? Many people are called by all three of their names and I don’t recall anyone else having a problem with it..” (#49)

    Lee Harvey Oswald, Richard Paul Pavlick, John Wilkes Booth, James Earl Ray, Lynette ‘Squeaky’ Fromme, Arthur Herman Bremer, Mark David Chapman, Donald Eugene Webb….

  • Linda (#37) said: I am not stupid.

    You could have fooled me. Can’t spell, can’t think, you’re a white supremacist… what more does it take to be labeled “stupid”???

  • By the way, I was a fan of Geraldine back in the day and I use her first name because I like it for some unFlipWilson-related reason.

  • I don’t know why American Jews largely vote democrat. Jewish Americans share values with Republicans, not democrats. These values: working hard, learning Engllish, getting an education, and in some cases starting a small business.

  • Shame on Ferraro! I’m embarrassed to say I’m from the Northeast. These political sleazes can’t shut their mouth or keep their pants on! Νοτε¨ Horses don’t think!

  • “no animosity towards anyone who does nothing more than get up at the crack of dawn and works twice as hard as any of us for much less money and job security; most of the time supporting a family…”

    Manny – how am I being a bastard about it? Are the exit-poll results facts, or are they not? If the facts upset you, am I a bastard for pointing them out?

    Doesn’t the above quotation describe many young black men and women? What if I said I was black? I’m not, but would that entitle me to be critical of the judgment of another demographic, without causing offense?

    Is it surprising that Obama would carry the bulk of the black vote? Shouldn’t be. What is surprising is that he is making inroads on other demographics, who apparently cannot claim stupidity as an excuse. I don’t have anything to do with that – I didn’t vote for him. I understand perfectly if you don’t like him; I’m just suggesting your (and Linda’s) choice is based on other than sound reasoning. No law says you have to love the president – I happen to think the current one is an incompetent fool, but the last time I checked, he was still in office.

  • delurking to ask troll Linda: What’s Hillary’s middle name? And I don’t mean Rodham.

  • Mark

    Doesn’t the above quotation describe many young black men and women? What if I said I was black? I’m not, but would that entitle me to be critical of the judgment of another demographic, without causing offense?

    How on earth would you or any other white man(including myself) no anything about being an African-American. We are the definitely on the outside looking in. However there is a double standard. A white man/women who says something about an African American is a racist, the reverse is not always the case. What is a redneck if not a derogotory term to describe a white male or female who works out in the field and isn’t to bright. However it is used loosely, including in your statement and no one thinks anything of it.

    Now Obama has appeal that stretches beyond the black vote. He definitely is a charismatic politician and he does appeal to the educated but my point was that I believe Ferraro was saying that he is using his race toward his advantage which is shown in his enormous appeal in the African-American. The turnout for voting in this demographic is historically in the 15-20%, it is much higher for this primary.
    or
    You could just say she is a stupid racist pig. That is your choice.

  • Let’s go back to the source:

    “If Obama was a white man, he would not be in this position.”

    In other words he is where he is not because of talent but because of race.
    She is asking voters to judge him not by his talents but by the color of his skin.
    That is racism.

  • Lee Harvey Oswald, Richard Paul Pavlick, John Wilkes Booth, James Earl Ray, Lynette ‘Squeaky’ Fromme, Arthur Herman Bremer, Mark David Chapman, Donald Eugene Webb….

    Criminals are known by their full names because it’s standard police procedure to use the full name. As for Obama, if he doesn’t use his full name, it’s presumptious of you to do so. My name is Ken, but when a perfect stranger calls me Kenny, he gets an earful, because it’s presumptious of him to believe he has permission to use a name I don’t use. Only my wife has that permission, and even she doesn’t avail herself of the privilege.

  • i think it a bit of a canard that use of someones middle name implies they are criminal (i also think we are a bit off topic – the real point is that when people use Hussein it is an effort to make Obama sound like a scary Muslim)

    but there are many fine, upstanding honored people known well by their full names. John Kenneth Galbraith, James Earl Jones, John Fitzgerald Kennedy, John Foster Dulles, etc., as well as women who use their pre-marriage name as a middle name like (of course) Hillary Rodham Clinton, but also Kathleen Kennedy Townsend for example.

  • Geraldine Ferraro said that Obama is black.

    This is a surprise to everyone?

    Better adjust the contrast on your tv.

    The media solemnly announces “Obama expected to win in (enter name of state here) because of the large black population”

    Senator Obama’s campaign is filled with pictures of his black relatives, though none of his white relatives.

    At the same time that Senator Obama plays the race card sermonizing at black churches, likening himself to Martin Luther King, Jr., throwing in a “y’all” or two, and references to Popeye’s Chicken, and barbershops and Cousin Pookie in case you didn’t get it.

    But Geraldine Ferraro mentions the Emperor’s Lack of New Clothing and the Obama campaign erupts in shock and horror.

    How utterly cynical, and how very much “politics as usual.”

    Obama’s every reference to Senator Clinton is tinged with sly condescension, and that is just fine with the media and the Obama campaign.

    After all, she is only a woman.

    .

  • Ferraro’s ugly comments confirmed a suspicion that I have had for a long time–that many of Clinton’s supporters are racist. Ferraro didn’t just say, “Obama is a black man”, she said that he was lucky to be black. That’s even worse that when my mom used to say that a particularly outstanding black person was “a credit to his race”. What my mom said was probably condescending, but what Ferraro said was not only condescending, but reeked of envy and resentment. We judge people by the company they keep. If Ferraro is racist, envious, and condescending, I don’t think it is overreaching to say that Hillary Clinton possesses some of these same qualities.

  • The Clinton campaign is now tarnished beyond all repair. The fact they didn’t immediately can her makes them look low, vulgar and quite frankly desperate.

  • I’m surprised that no one noticed: Geraldine Ferraro is a Fox News “Political Analyst.”

    And it looks like Fox News is an ideal venue for her.

  • The people of the U.S. rejected Ferraro when she ran for vice president. The people of New York rejected Ferraro twice when she tried to become a senator. Hillary should DENOUNCE AND REJECT Geraldine Ferraro, a racist and very confused. She should retired permanently. The people have not wanted her for years, Hillary Clinton should develop a spine and reject this old white woman.

  • I looked into Geraldine Ferraro’s record at the time she got the VP nod in 1984…she was relatively unaccomplished and one can argue the only reason she was on the ticket was because she was a good attack dog and she lacked a penis, so for her as a “token woman” to say Obama is a “token black man” is hypocritical beyond words…as she is the prototype.

    As I’ve shown before, even when you adjust for population, and compare white women to black (of any gender) there have been far more white females as Governors and Senators than any black person. It is not even close. Blacks are 12% of the population and white women are 33% according to http://www.census.gov. That means, if everything was equal there should be no more than 2.75X the rate of white women in those offices than blacks. A moron can find out in 5 minutes the number is way over double that.

    There have been 3 black governors (one not elected) since Reconstruction and 2 black Senators (one a woman before Obama) that is it.

    Now go check wiki and see how many white women have been in these positions…way more than 3X the black rate.

    Historically it has been far easier for any white woman to get elected to higher office than any black (man or woman). How many white (men and women) have benefited from whites bloc voting against them? Quite a few.

    So being black historically has not helped anyone in a state wide election and definitely not a national election…she is a racist scum bag and a hypocrite.

  • Hillary Clinton and her ilk continue to apply typical right-wing race-baiting tactics to divide the electorate. Distributing the photo from Kenya, darkening Obama’s face in her flyer, comparing him to Jesse Jackson, he’s a Christian “as far as I know”, surrogates referencing his color, referencing his drug use while in college, her idiotic MLK comment (which I thought, at the time, was benign), etcetera.

    Congratulations to Hillary. If the results out of Mississippi are any indication, her race-baiting is working. And if as a result of race-baiting tactics, he gets the nod and then loses the general election…hey, that’s what we deserve for nominating somebody other than her.

    Okay, I admit it. I am now an official Hillary-hater. I’ve respected her for years, but no more. Now, I’m ashamed of her.

  • Manny: I would submit the turnout for every Democratic demographic exceeds the usual, and that it is because of Obama. I hope nobody, including Ferraro, is suggesting Obama is looking like getting elected while nobody but the black voters is supporting him in significant numbers. He couldn’t do it just on the black vote, any more than Hillary could win just on the female vote. Either will have to build broad support, or it’s curtains. I’d suggest Obama is looking like the better candidate for that, but things could change, and that’s only my opinion anyway.

    If I carelessly insulted rednecks, I apologize. It wasn’t my intention.

  • HA! Ferraro returns to haunt the Democratic party again. Some people just don’t know when to roll over. Ferraro was a total embarassment as Mondale’s VP choice. A weak candidate that embarassed the party and herself. She is right when she says if she had not been a woman she never would have gotten the VP nod because she was completely unqualified to hold the position of President had Mondale ever won that post. Regardless of what she says to try to justify her stand…it is the position of a bigot and Clinton needs to reject it and her out of hand. I contend that despite Senator Obama’s non racial positioning, there are a lot of racists in this country and by condescending remarks on race by the Clinton campaign, they are giving a safe harbor to vile and unacceptable attitudes that continue to lurk in this country particularly among her core constituents: low income white women over the age of 50. It is younger people who have escaped some of this baggage that older people still carry with them on race and that group is firmly in the Obama camp. I would contend that Clinton’s win in Ohio and her lead in Pennsylvania is largely due to democratic voters who when questioned about who they will vote for state they are “not ready to vote for a black candidate”. There are a lot of them out there and however you look at it: it’s called prejudice. Clinton needs to take a firm, unequivical stand on this issue. She hasn’t. Ferraro needs to take a long quite vacation.

  • There will always be bias thrown into the political mix. People tend to vote for people they most relate to. Any candidate who has ever experienced a great deal of success has benefitted from people with whom they have the most in common. This is only natural and expected. Barack is black, and he does get an extremely high % of the balck vote. So what? George W. was lucky to be Evangelocal and Hillary is lucky to be a woman for the same reasons theirs supporters chose to support them. To be honest what Geraldine said was truthful but not very helpful. In this politically charged and highly sensitive environment politial correctness rules the day and what she said was not politically correct. She was not the first to error nor will she be the last. You need to expect more of this from each side as time goes on and emotions get the best of people. Cut people some slack, on both sides. They are only human, just like you and me. Oh yes, what has been said from each camps is nothing compared to the the spewing of venom that can be read on the political blogs, so lets be a little bit easier on one another.

  • I think the truth is coming out. “Lucky to be a black man” That explains a lot of the racial issues that have existed historically. If whites have looked at blacks as being lucky and privileged to be black than that would explain the resentment and jealousy towards blacks which have been communicated and demonstrated through racism and racial injustices for years and centuries in this country. And rather than being angry with Geraldine, I think black people should take note and understand that we no longer have to respond or endure this struggle in this country. We can recognize our strength and abilities and understand that we have not been persecuted and treated poorly in this country because we are inferior but rather because their is a race of people out there who feels inferior to us and therefore says and do horrible things historically to make us feel inferior. Geraldines remarks were used to minimize and suggest that Obama is really inferior to Clinton and if he had been white it would be obvious. While in reality, if Clinton was black or had a different last name, she would not even be in the race right now.

  • Calm down; everyone just calm down and take a deep breath. Being a triple minority (race,gender,religion) myself, I don’t see the harm in Congresswoman Ferraro’s observations.
    If Senator Obama wanted to truly be the noble person he would have us think he is he could be handling this differently.
    Oh and for all of you out there who have yourself fooled into thinking that Senator Obama is not cut from the same cloth as any other politician; you have my sympathy. Go ahead let yourselves be fooled again. You let Bush II do it to you twice. Hopefully you are lucky in love!

  • I can’t believe people are saying things like “lucky to be a black man”. Wow, white people must be having some bad luck lately to suggest that.

  • Ms. Ferraro,

    I am terribly disappointed. Your recent suggestion that Mr. Obamas’ success happened only because he is black is especially painful. To think that being black in America is a lucky thing strikes me as being inconsiderate.

    I am a black person born the same year as Mr. Obamas’ wife 1964, and I can tell you there was no time in my life being black a lucky thing, or are you unaware of the sad and continuing legacy of American race relations. You disregard Mr. Obamas’ legitimate and laudable accomplishments by attributing them to one thing, and it’s the one thing Mr. Obama tries least to be – a man of race. Mr. Obama is a child of God, a husband, a father, a university graduate and a lawyer. Mr. Obama has been a stellar state representative of Illinois and he is currently a United States Senator, and great American. Somewhere probably in the high teens of the list of things Mr. Obama is would be black man.

    The statements you have made and defend amount to making his race his primary attribute. You are playing the race card in a manner that is insulting, and quite frankly would be more expected from the kind of reactionary people America has hopefully outgrown.

    In 1984 I was a student at the University of Southern California an institution with a traditionally conservative bent. I remember campaigning for and ardently defending a certain congressperson from New York as being more than just a woman, but a person regardless of gender worthy to potentially lead this country. I’m sorry to know now that I was wrong, and all the time any Gerard really would have sufficed.

  • Race and gender, notwithstanding, Barack Obama is where he is because he is an extraordinarily attractive human being, with an extraordinarily attractive message. Period.
    Just the view of a 75 year old white woman.

  • Race and gender, notwithstanding, Barack Obama is where he is because he is an extraordinarily attractive human being with an extraordinarily attractive message. Period.

    Just the view of a 75 year old white woman.

  • I have just one message for Geraldine Ferraro. Why don’t you just shut up, Geraldine?

  • The comments were bad enough but now she wants to play the victim and blame the Obama campaign for the outrage. This is all part of the Clinton strategy to paint Obama as the “black candidate” and to drive white voters to Hillary. Whenever Hillary is in a jam, they pull the race card and pretend to be the victim. Absolutely disgusting on their part!

  • Ferraro flashback: she said: “If Jesse Jackson were not black, he wouldn’t be in the race.”

    April 15, 1988 Washington Post story (byline: Howard Kurtz), available on Nexis.
    ———————-

    Placid of demeanor but pointed in his rhetoric, Jackson struck out repeatedly today against those who suggest his race has been an asset in the campaign. President Reagan suggested Tuesday that people don’t ask Jackson tough questions because of his race. And former representative Geraldine A. Ferraro (D-N.Y.) said Wednesday that because of his “radical” views, “if Jesse Jackson were not black, he wouldn’t be in the race.”

    Asked about this at a campaign stop in Buffalo, Jackson at first seemed ready to pounce fiercely on his critics. But then he stopped, took a breath, and said quietly, “Millions of Americans have a point of view different from” Ferraro’s.

    Discussing the same point in Washington, Jackson said, “We campaigned across the South . . . without a single catcall or boo. It was not until we got North to New York that we began to hear this from Koch, President Reagan and then Mrs. Ferraro . . . . Some people are making hysteria while I’m making history.”

  • Blacks and Hispanics have long ago learned that the more gains from our hard work and effort we make, the harder certain greedy racist frauds will work to push back. Someone opened the door for George Bush and Geraldine Ferraor to get to their position, in addition to pre-exisiting conditions. If white people are good at anything in this country, “it is in creating the conditions for others to fail”. How a man who can barely read and write beyond the third grade and made president shows what money and influence can get you.
    That’s the bottom line.

    http://www.bccmeteorites.com/misconduct-planetary.html

    S. Ray DeRusse

  • What nobody is talking about are the FACTS. The facts are that white women have more easily been elected to high positions of office in America. A simple comparison of the elected blacks (regardless of gender) Mayors, Governors, Senators, etc. versus the elected white females ones is all that is needed.

    Ferraro is just jealous that a black person might achieve a position that a white women has not.

    Now who’s fault is it that white women have not risen to the place they think they deserve? Most of them sleep every night with their white male counterparts. They haven’t solidified their union in order to acquire what they want as half of that community and now they’re hating on black americans for coming together and deciding what they want.

  • And I need to add that none of these white democrats were complaining about black americans voting in mass when we gave Gore and Kerry over 80% of our vote.

  • ‘Beat the shit out of him’?! Quite the contrary I’d like to buy him a drink but since we don’t live in the same town I can at least say thank you and that his comments are very appreciated as for Linda on WHAT universe excatly?!! I’m sure James Byrd,Amadou Diallo,Sean Bell,Ennis Cosby,Ricky Byrdsong,Malice Green,Timothy Thomas and countless other deceased black males are REALLY feeling the ‘luck’ right about now. And funny how someone such as Ferraro can EVEN have the nerve to go there with race seeing how purely racist the feminazi groups have been throughout the years and was it ‘luck’ that gave HER ashot at the vice-presidency?! No it was a white male the same group and ONLY group who have led the country in the Oval Office and have given platform after platform for the equally clueless and hypocritical nutbags like Steinem and ones of her ilk. But it’s because he’s black that makes him ‘lucky’ good thing he’s NOT a black female otherwise he would even be lucky enough to serve tea to the bigoted and selective oragnizations run by the Ferraros of the world.

  • You know I would not have read racism into Geraldine’s first comment but when she turned around to say that the Obama camp and supporters are attacking her for it because she is WHITE, now that did it for me. WTF?! It’s obvious they are continuing their race baiting. They thought it got them Ohio so they think it’ll get them PA. They are desperate. They have pulled more desperate points than anything. The Clintons are using up the republican material for the general election, the republicans must be furious,.

    Someone wrote in past blogs that Obama may be winning 80-90% black votes, the reality is there are way many more white voters than black voters so the hidden truth is that there are more whites voting for Obama than there are blacks voting for Obama. And, I agree 100%. They need to show hard numbers and quit misleading us with percentages.

    Also, someone said that Kerry and Gore and even Bill Clinton won most of the black votes and no one attributed those to the color of their skin. That’s true and most of all DOUBLE STANDARD! I guess the Clinton camp will only see it fair if all the black votes were going to them. They are desperate and angry that Obama is giving them a run for their money.

    I hope America wises up and see through these race baiters. We all have to ask ourselves why they are trying to attach so much bullcrap on Obama. They know people have caught on to the truth and that is Obama really is the better candidate. He is smart, articulate, and respects all people regardless of political affiliation, race or creed. The people get that and they are responding and the powers that be do not like that and so they are trying to “cleanse” us of this by poisoning our minds with racism and gender talk.

    Don’t fall for their crap people. Don’t fall for it! The truth is out there, seek and you shall find!

  • “If Obama was a white man, he would not be in this position,” she continued. “And if he was a woman (of any color) he would not be in this position. He happens to be very lucky to be who he is.

    I’m confused. Isn’t Hilary a woman. The race is pretty even between the two of them. So if Hilary was winning would she say that Hilary is lucky she is a woman and Obama is unlucky because he’s a man. Confusing. I don’t know if you have examined the plight of blacks since we were slaves, jim crow, segregation, inner cities, poverty disparity, prisons, murder rates, abortions, drugs, aids, etc. I don’t think lucky is something that I would use to describe blacks in america. Plus she used this exact same comment against Jesse Jackson in the 80’s. I guess being highly educated, articulate, charasmatic, makes you lucky.

  • Everyone seems to overlook the last sentence in Geraldine’s remarks about Obama. He is lucky to be who he is “and the country is caught up in the concept” Think for a moment about what she means by that.
    What concept? It’s obvious if you have a thinking and fully functioning mind. She was saying that the Country is enthusiastic about the concept of a Black American vying for the Democratic nomination for President of the United States.
    I am a Conservative and have little in common with her views. But, I am also very energized by the possibility that a Black American, could after such a long struggle following centuries of slavery and Jim Crow laws by Democrats, become President.
    Further I consider Obama’s views dangerous. His Church connection is also extremely problematic. But, give Ferarro a break. There was nothing, NOTHING racist in her comment about Obama being lucky to be Black in this day and age when he has aspirations to be President. It could very well be in his favor…

  • Boy oh boy. It is a sad world indeed. Geraldine Ferraro says what she says and she is racist. Well, what about Jeremiah Wright and Barack Obama. Are people too scared in this world to charge them with the racism card? Reverse discrimination!!!

    Indeed it is a sad world. I’m a single mother and have qualified for hardly anything for college for my boys. We have to pay almost all of it, aside from the little pell grant whereas we watch my son’s friends who happen to be something other than white get a full ride, their family gets health insurance, their families get help with everything else. Many times I have gone without eating so the kids have something. What a sad sad world.

    No, I am not racist. I am tired of barely treading water and watching people who get things handed to them and eat steak and lobster and actually EXPECT it, while I try to keep my boys tummies filled and hope and pray we do not get sick because i can’t quality for insurance through the state and to buy insurance is too much. What is happening to the US? REVERSE DISCRIMINATION. It has to stop.

    And! Quit handing welfare to the illegal immigrants. Please. I am suffering here while they get healthcare and do not appreciate it.

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