Germans arrest 3 suspected terrorists, disrupt plot

The horrifying news is that three suspected terrorists in Germany were apparently poised to conduct some very deadly acts. The encouraging news is that German officials apprehended the would-be killers and disrupted their plot.

The police in Germany have arrested three Islamic militants suspected of planning large-scale terrorist attacks against several sites frequented by Americans, including discos, bars, airports and military installations.

The suspects — two German citizens and a Turkish resident of Germany — were in advanced stages of plotting bombing attacks that could have been deadlier than the terrorist strikes that killed dozens in London and Madrid, police and security officials said Wednesday. They said the possible targets included the busy Ramstein air base and the Frankfurt international airport.

“They were planning massive attacks,” the German federal prosecutor, Monika Harms, said at a news conference, outlining a vast six-month investigation. She said that the suspects had amassed huge amounts of hydrogen peroxide, the main chemical used to manufacture the explosives used in the suicide bombings in London in July 2005.

Now, after having been misled on a variety of instances, it’s only natural to be at least a little skeptical about some of the details, such as whether the planned attacks were really in “advanced stages.” We’ve heard that before about various disrupted plots, only to learn later that the terrorist plans were not as far along as we’d been led to believe.

But given what we’ve learned this morning, this plot was far more serious than those other ones. The suspects were trained at terrorist camps in Pakistan and, according to reports, they’d already acquired 1,500 pounds of hydrogen peroxide to make explosives, which they had hidden. In fact, they were taken into custody after trying to move the materials yesterday.

By all appearances, this was a major success story. It’s the culmination of a six-month investigation by German officials, involving 300 people from the police and prosecutor’s office. U.S. officials have, naturally, thanked Germany for their terrific and successful efforts.

It does raise a politically-salient point, however.

After another such thwarted terrorist plot a year ago, Will Bunch raised an argument that I’ve emphasized a few times myself.

Makes you wonder, doesn’t it? Most of the big victories in “the war on terror” have been racked up by cops, not by soldiers. Why, it’s almost as if terrorism is a law-enforcement problem — and less of a threat when it’s handled well in that fashion.

Bingo. The same thing with Germany this morning — the good guys won after months of meticulous intelligence-gathering and an efficient law enforcement operation. With this in mind, it’s worth thinking back to the 2004 presidential campaign and one of the president’s favorite stump-speech moments — in which Bush expressed an inordinate fondness for the derisive use of the phrase “law enforcement operation.” Bush, for example, told a Florida audience on March 20:

“Kerry said, and I quote, ‘The war on terror is far less of a military operation and far more of an intelligence-gathering law enforcement operation.’ (Audience boos.) I disagree. I disagree…. After the chaos and carnage of September the 11th, it is not enough to serve our enemies with legal papers. With those attacks, the terrorists and supporters declared war on the United States of America — and war is what they got. (Audience applauds.)

Bush, pleased with himself and the reaction, used almost the identical words again and again and again. Cheney used it a few times himself.

It was pretty easy to see the image Bush wanted the public to imagine. Bush believes in sending the most powerful military in the world to battle terrorists, Kerry was satisfied fighting al Queda with cops and lawyers.

Today, however, helps highlight exactly what Kerry was talking about, and what Bush derided as nonsense to considerable Republican applause.

As for other political reactions, John Cole noted, “[T]here is a link-fest at memeorandum. The usual ‘ZOMG TERRORISTS ARE GOING TO KILL US ALL TIME TO GIVE BUSH MORE POWER’ suspects are all in full-scale investigative mode.”

And Andrew Sullivan’s thoughts are also worth reading: “Congrats to the Germans. Some obvious points: these men are educated, two of three are German nationals, all seem to have been trained not in Iraq, Iran or Afghanistan, but in Pakistan, a putative ally. It is hard to see how the Iraq war – whether a failure or a success – would have any impact on this tiny cell’s attempt at mass murder in the name of God. This is simply the religious violence we have to contend with for the indefinite future. All we can do is what the Germans did: keep up surveillance (with protections against abuse), and run as many to ground as we can.”

If Pakistanis trained Germans to kill Americans, then the only rational response would be to bomb Iran.

Duh.

  • Wow. And it looks like the Germans didn’t even need to torture anyone to discover this threat. Hmmmm.

  • No torture, no extraordinary rendition, no holding anyone incommunicado in a military brig? Next thing you know they’ll be trying those terrorists in a court of law and even allowing them to have attorneys. The Germans obviously don’t watch 24.

  • Yeah, I’m with Racerx on this one. Bombing Iran is our only rational course of action. I think someone from England once visited Germany, so I can’t see how we shouldn’t bomb Canada too. And Brazil. Thanks Bush Doctrine for making this so clear.

  • You’re missing the point, Racerx & Dr. Biobrain:

    Since Germany was harboring the alleged terrorists, Germany should be bombed.

  • Since Germany was harboring the alleged terrorists, Germany should be bombed.

    Actually, since lots of Germans live there, Argentina should be bombed. And if Hugo Chavez accidentally got killed in the process, and all that oil just happened to get back under our control, then of course we would have prevented the next 9/11, because Hugo Chavez might have been planning to give al Qaeda a nuclear weapon.

  • Well, I guess all the war on terror fighters here in the U.S. are wishing they could have been involved in something like this right now, instead of wasting their time on stupid shit, and not learning Arabic, no matter how much time passes since 9/11. It would be interesting to know how many people the Germans had who were trained in a foreign language they used on this investigation. The American reaction to learning a language to fight the war on terror seems to be ‘Booring!’

    Andrew Sullivan wrote:

    “Congrats to the Germans. Some obvious points: these men are educated, two of three are German nationals, all seem to have been trained not in Iraq, Iran or Afghanistan, but in Pakistan, a putative ally.”

    I hate how we’ve all succumbed to this right-wing game of blaming a country’s government or questioning our relations with it every time there is a single connection to terror shown to someone or something in that country. Look, for those who have been dulled into not thinkingin anymore, a person can be taught something anywhere. The fact that these people were trained in Pakistan does not necessarily mean that Pakistan allowed it to happen. So that by itself does not mean Pakistan is betraying us- and, yes, I know there have been other stories and other evidence suggesting it does. But this training is not necessarily connected to any betrayal at all. We just need to stop the language of ‘any country that a suspected terrorist came from or got any resources from must hate us, down to every single citizen of that country.’ It’s really jingoistic and nonsense.

  • Why didn’t Germans use 500 tanks, air support and 50000 men to take out the terrorists? Afterall terrorism requires military action.

    Perhaps maybe it’s because they’ve dealt with terrorism for a long time and have a wealth of experience dealing with the Baader Meinhoff, RAF, PLO/PLFP, ultra Turkish nationals, Armenian resistance etc.

    Hmmmm… It seems that Bushco can’t seem to grasp the complexities and nuances of terror. Well Duh.

  • You’re all wrong on this one—JKap included. this “alleged law-enflorcement” victory is being foisted upon the ‘Murican People by that horrible lib’rul media, so we should just bomb the living hockeysticks out of every major media outlet in the United States. Let’s start with the one named after a small, furry red critter that keeps raiding the henhouse.

    But then again, Germany has a whole forest of good law enforcement. America—has a diseased Bush….

  • Just to be clear:

    I am not at all arguing that more should not be done related to Pakistan to combat terrorism. I am just arguing against incomplete and bad reasoning about how comprehensively to fight terrorism and where to look for terrorism and its sponsors. For examples: One could make an argument, and could back it up with facts, that the only adequate way to defend ourselves from terror is to take over the whole world, but it would be an insane argument. And, what if the trainers had got to Germany somehow and trained the guys there instead of training them in Pakistan? What should that say about how we fight terror?

    Really, to train somebody in something, often all you need is to be in the same place, and that two people managed to be in the same place doesn’t say a lot about how the government of that place supports us in the war against terror, without knowing more.

  • Swan, your argument is thoughtful and well-reasoned. The only thing you’re overlooking is that in today’s America someone, somewhere must be bombed lest we be soft on terrorism.

  • One could make an argument, and could back it up with facts, that the only adequate way to defend ourselves from terror is to take over the whole world, but it would be an insane argument.

    Watch the Texas GOP’s 2008 platform before you make any definitive statements on this point.

  • Dems: get over there and buy these people 300 beers (preferably not Bud, or anything else American) tonight. If I was one of them, I and my campaign staff would be over there drinking.

    One more point:

    What if thse 300 people had, instead of working in law enforcement, enlisted in Germany’s reserves, and Germany had sent them to support us in the occupation of Iraq? This plot might have been pulled off. And if it had, doubtless war-supporters would have traded off it to call for an escalation in military activity. Thank God these people were there to investigate terrorism.

    Bush will probably not visit these people- he is too much of a candy ass. You can’t be cute in Germany- you have to be cool. His whole admitting-he-cries-a-lot thing probably turned the stomachs of a lot of American men, or turned them over in their graves, too.

  • Terrorism is just the excuse Bush uses to gain power and make perpetual war. I’m more afraid of Bush…of what he might do next…than any terrorist. I have more fear that our government would arrest me and throw me in some cell somewhere for disagreeing with Bush than being killed in a terrorist attack. I have never been afraid of “fighting them over here”, or “they will follow us home”. Let ’em. This is America. They wouldn’t have a chance over here. Not even the Russians at the height of their power wanted to do that. It’s all Bushshit and so unnecessary.

  • Terrorism is just the excuse Bush uses to gain power and make perpetual war

    The story does suggest that there are other reasons for the Iraq war beyond fighting terrorism, doesn’t it?

  • I have been saying for six years that terrorism cannot be controlled by armies and invasions. Terrorists represent no country. They are individuals or pockets of individuals wreaking havoc here and there through primitive, if effective, means.

    The way to deal with terrorism is for all civilized countries to form a pact, share their intelligence on terrorists everywhere, and each country be responsible for apprehending the terrorists within its borders. Use covert agents, infiltrate, make arrests, and bring them to trial, all under the same legal body, with the same judges for all trials. Perhaps the Hague. Televise the trials.

    Capture or cause the terrorists to flee from civilized countries. Those countries that refuse to cooperate in a world-wide venture to capture identified terrorists and bring them to trial should be subject to severe sanctions. Make it very uncomfortable for countries to harbour known terrorists.

    Instead, America has ended up with a terrorist president who loves to bomb the hell out of countries he doesn’t like, making terrorists and torturers of us all. He’s murderous, and nobody does a damned thing about him.

  • It also strikes me as a bit odd that most of the big victories have been achieved by foreign intelligence agencies and not our steroid enhanced intelligence agencies. For all the new powers added to NSA and others why do we have so little to show for it? Have we had a single success story?

  • For all the new powers added to NSA and others why do we have so little to show for it? Have we had a single success story?

    That depends on what you call “success”. For example, the Democrats have so far kept impeachment off the table. No telling what kind of dirt they got on Pelosi to make that happen, or how they got it.

    (this theory involves tinfoil hats of course)

  • Yeah, sure, Germans could do it with police instead of the military force but Germans aren’t hobbled with any silly privacy laws in their intelligence gathering efforts, the way we are.

    What’s that? Oh… Never mind.

  • All the posts tonight were great. Wish I had said some of these things…But I want to thank you all…I laugh at all this…and it keeps me from crying. I won’t mention you individually but you keep me going…wish we could convince the rest of the US… I think I’ve had one too many glasses of wine…Love you all!

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