Getting past good ol’ boys

Dean Barnett, writing in the Weekly Standard, noted the kind of cultural qualities he’d like to see in our presidential candidates.

Now imagine what a candidate could get done if he achieved fluency in pop culture. Picture a candidate who could effortlessly segue from paying homage to Dale Earnhardt’s #3 to saying how much High Noon has always meant to him. Conjure up a contender who could unashamedly admit that if owning every George Strait record makes him a square, so be it, and then quickly pivot to the many times tears welled in his eyes when sports heroes like Curt Schilling or Willis Reed rose above pain to perform in an almost super-human fashion.

It prompted Stephen Bainbridge, himself a conservative, to explain that Barnett isn’t describing “pop culture,” but rather “rural Southern culture.” And while there’s nothing wrong with Southerners, per se, Bainbridge wonders if we’ve had quite enough of the good ol’ boys for a while — “maybe it’s time to let a Yankee city boy have a chance.”

Personally, if I wanted to choose a President based on his or her fluency with pop culture (which is about the dumbest criteria I’ve ever seen anyway), I’d look for somebody who:

Can effortlessly segue from paying homage to Merlot Clone #3 to saying how much The Matrix has always meant to him. Conjure up a contender who could unashamedly admit that if owning every Bruce Springsteen record makes him a left-leaning pinko, so be it, and then quickly pivot to the many times tears welled in his eyes during the second quarter of Super Bowl XLI.

Could the cultural zeitgeist be shifting? I like Springsteen, Super Bowls, and The Matrix, too!

Indeed, Bainbridge extends his “useless Presidential criteria” to include items such as:

* Won’t wink at the Queen

* Doesn’t hunt, fish, or go with girls who do

* Is sometimes accused of having a metrosexual streak

* Can credibly debate the relative claims of The Matrix, Star Wars, Bladerunner, and Star Trek II to be the greatest science fiction movie of all time

* Came from a state that didn’t secede

* Can recite at least one Monty Python skit from memory

* Can credibly debate the relative claims of Blazing Saddles, The Producers, and Young Frankenstein to be Mel Brook’s best movie, while explaining why Spaceballs is a candidate for the worst movie ever

* Has never sat through an entire Woody Allen movie, an entire Nascar race, or an entire Dixie Chicks concert

* Wouldn’t camp out 5 days to get Garth Brooks tickets even if s/he was camping at the time

* Doesn’t play golf

I love this list, in large part because, if I were judging the relative merits of presidential candidates on cultural grounds, I might very well use some of these exact questions (especially the one about golf).

Conventional wisdom is that “real guys,” the type who win modern presidential campaigns, have to enjoy NASCAR, hunting, and Larry the Cable Guy. Maybe it’s time for the conventional wisdom to change. The South has already had its fun.

I definitely like that list! It indicates some intelligence, and awareness of a world beyond the most limited, most inbound, cultural area of the country.

  • First MySpace – what’s next? e-Harmony.com?

    I don’t want to date a candidate, or marry one, thank you – don’t want to have a beer with any of them, not interested in chewing the fat on the back porch.

    I want a smart person, who listens to other smart people, none of whom are fanatics or fundamentalists. I want someone who has faced adversity and risen to the challenge in ways that improved their lives and made them cognizant of the challenges that face the rest of us. I want someone who understands that government does have value and isn’t hell-bent on destroying the parts that work and using what’s left to make himself (or herself) and friends rich beyond all reason.

    No sociopaths need apply. No religious fanatics, please. No people who think war is thrilling, and dead AMericans are just collateral damage on the road to glory.

  • While I think this whole discussion is rather stupid (at least as it relates to presidential candidates), I’d disagree that knowledge and admiration of Wills Reed or High Noon (which was widely attacked as un-American when released) is a mark of rural Southern culture. FWIW, this comes from a middled aged, secular, NYC Jew who saw Willis Reed play (on TV), loves High Noon, and is second to no one is his disdain for rural, Southern culture.

  • Well, I can’t say that I agree with the Superbowl, since I despise most sports and the overpaid players therein. I’ll disagree with you about Woody Allen movies, since I really liked Sleeper (come on, the “orgasmatron”??), Zelig and Radio Days.

    Young Frankenstein has it hand’s down, though Blazing Saddles is a close second, followed by Some Like It Hot.

    Just my opinion, though. 😉

  • I have every Oingo Boingo album. Does that make me square or not?

    For the record, “Spaceballs” isn’t even Mel Brooks’ worst movie. And if we’re discussing his best, then his producing efforts for “Elephant Man” and “The Fly” ought to be included.

    Can I be preznit now?

  • At this point, Bush has taken presidential standards so low, that I would settle for a president who could write a postcard and mail it to the correct address.

  • I like NASCAR. I also like Shakespeare (and, Marlowe, even if they aren’t/weren’t the same person), Blazing Saddles rulz, and no one…NO ONE who wants the job of Preznit should be allowed to have it. The President should be drafted screaming and kicking from the very few citizens of this country who are intellectually and morally qualified but horrified at the notion of holding office, but would do it because it has to be done.

  • I agree. Anyone who hasn’t made a naked snow angel does not have the balls deserve to be president.

  • How about a president that reads the newspaper, and takes an interest in current events and policy debate?

  • Maybe the Mel Brooks movie we should be discussing is Men in Tights:

    We rob from the rich and give to the poor…that’s right!

    That’s a sentiment missing from our corporatist government right now.

  • Michael W–how about ‘Bananas’? I kind of like that Woody movie.

    As for Brooks I prefer Blazing Saddles, then a couple of the snippets from History of the World (Spanish Inquisition, French Revolution and The Last Supper).

    And speaking of the Inquisition, Monty Python’s various works but most notably Holy Grail, although Life of Brian has its moments.

    But I think most of all, Alibubba is on the right track.

  • I can hardly imagine a worse test that Barnett’s, unless he were to include American Idol and/or Fear Factor, which would truly hit rock bottom.

    How about a Pres who, when his PR shills try and describe him as an “avid reader,” doesn’t draw irrepressible laughter?

    A Pres who can, at least most of the time, construct a sentence in a reasonable coherent syntax?

    A Pres who doesn’t brag about his mediocre grades?

    A Pres who has not had all prior life experiences delivered on a silver platter and with a safety net?

    I could go on all day. . .

  • I’m a “lefty pinko” who likes golf. If that makes me seem like a right wing nutjob then so be it…..on second thought screw the golf 🙂

  • Now we know what would happen if the USA placed a personals add.

    “I need a MAN!!” Are U the 1??? Must be just like me and nothing like those other types over there. Must share my interests (and limitations). Must look good on camera.

    Gag.

    Right now I’d settle for any SOB who has read the Constitution and the Art of War, doesn’t speak in sound bites and keeps his damn religion to himself.

  • * Doesn’t play golf

    That’s a big one for me. I personally hate the game, but I find that to get ahead in the corporate world then golf it is. Only problem with that idea is that most of the golfer/managers I’ve worked for are good at golf, but absolutely useless at managing/leadership (which I happen to think is more important.)

    As for best SF movie ever, of the four listed, it will always be Bladerunner (Director’s Cut.) Star Wars and Star Trek are best described as space opera not to say that they’re both bad, but they really aren’t SF in it’s purest form. Matrix was okay (not a fan of the Hong Kong school of action flicks), but the producers pissed me off when they laid it on real thick with the pseudo philosophy BS (which they made up on the fly.)

  • Grumpy wrote: “I have every Oingo Boingo album. Does that make me square or not?”

    I say no, ’cause I’ve got all of ’em, too. I’d vote for a President who listens to Oingo Boingo, since practically by definition someone who listens to Oingo Boingo is an independent thinker – nobody ever listened to Oingo Boingo just to be popular and fit in.

    (Danny Elfman seems to have a pretty good social conscience, too: I’ve been listening to the song ‘War Again’ in recent weeks, which was a sarcastic criticism of the first Gulf War.)

  • All good posts, but Anne and zeigest sum up best, for me, what’s required in a president.

    I’ll also add that Clinton (Bill) had the best intellectual curiosity and speaking smarts in any recent politician.

  • I’d get over the golf thing for a candidate who knew enough about propaganda to instantly cut through the bullshit framing and twisted logic of the right.

  • Intelligence
    Strength
    Courage
    Compassion
    Won’t send my friends or famiyl to war for no damn good reason.
    Won’t give tax cuts in a time of war
    Wont make me feel embarrassed to say “yeah, he/she’s my president.”
    Knows how to lead.
    Knows how to listen.
    Was never bailed out by Daddy or Daddy’s buddies.
    Won’t use the office to settle personal grudges.
    Won’t break the law to advance a bad agenda
    Won’t have US Attorneys hired or fired based on whether or not they’ll conduct bogus investigations or file bogus charges on politicians on the “other side” no matter which side is “the other side.”
    Knows habeus corpus wasn’t an actor from some bad Greek porn movie.
    Respects rule of law
    Respects women
    Respects the poor
    Won’t make fun of African tribal dances.
    Won’t try to give shoulder rubs to leaders of other nations
    Will pay attention when there’s a national disaster.

    If after all that, he/she likes some of the things I like, well, that won’t make a lick of friggin’ difference. And if he/she possesses few or none of those qualities but happens to like some of the things I like, well, that won’t make a lick of frickin’ difference either.

  • I want a president whose policies and agenda for the country supercede his or her interests in pop culture.

    Those of you who think Nascar/Superbowl/baseball/C&W stars are rural Southern culture only have never been to a small town in the midwest, pacific nw, eastern California. Why give the South credit for all rural phenomena?

  • Oingo Boingo has (intentionally or not) written the sound track for the GOP:

    I love little girls.
    Wild sex in the working class.
    Gratitude (sung to the people of Iraq).
    Violent love.
    Not my slave (sung sarcastically to everyone).
    and of course
    Dead Man’s Party.

  • #3 & #5.

    What’s the great sensitivity bit? — sort of like on tiptoes?

    Other ideas that spring troublesomely to mind:

    as suggested, 1) Running naked through subway stations.
    2) A predilection for large city nightlife.
    3) A mild size-dependent arousal syndrome.
    4) An over-zealous mother fixation.
    5) An erotic attachment to long dark tunnels.

    or any combination of all five.

    Yeah, I’d go for that. Sounds a bit kinky but.. what the hell. Better than a fetish for executions and killing foreigners.

  • A little westcoast perspective from out here in Oakland: six years ago people here were ambivalent about all things Texas. Nowadays the people I’ve talked to would rather drown in their vomit than cheer for anything Texas.

  • I agree with Ann (#4), Zeitgeist (#15) and tAiO (#17)

    But, then, they all describe the Anti-Dubya, and I am anti-Dubya.

  • What the hell’s wrong with Woody Allen? Bananas, Take the Money and Run, Play it Again Sam, and Annie Hall are all excellent films, and I could have gone on.

    In fact, if these two pop culture standards are what we’re going on, I guess I better hang-up my presidential aspirations, because I don’t come close to fitting either of these. (Though I will go with Blazing Saddles and Star Wars as being the best in their respective fields. And while Spaceballs should have been better, Brooks’ worst goes to Life Stinks, though I may be one of the only fools to have watched it.)

  • Best Mel Brooks: Young Frahnk-en-steen! Followed by Blazing Saddles (which made my face hurt from laughing so hard). Honorable mention for producing The Elephant Man.

    S-F – Bladerunner (director’s cut), Alien, the first Star Wars movie (the one made in 1977, not the dreadful “Episode I”) because of its impact throughout the genre to the good (“used” universes, conscious and coherent use of The Hero’s Journey in creating the story – which none of the others in the series did).

    a new category: best recent movie worth seeing more than once: “Blood Diamond” (publicly says s/he can’t understand how the under-written, over-acted, directorless “The Departed” won anything.).

    No golf. Stuporbowl??? NASCAR only if it’s “Talladega Nights.”

    Doesn’t have to read the newspapers (but it’d be nice) but should be in favor of breaking corporate control of newspapers and TV, and in bringing back the Fairness Doctrine.

    Doesn’t have a resume that says: failed at everything I ever attempted and would be living in a cardboard box under a freeway overpass were it not for daddy and daddy’s friends bailing me out of all my stupid mistakes.

    No record of lighting firecrackers and sticking them in frogs.

    No MBAs need apply.

    Can actually use the English language without sounding like a moron.

    Understands jazz and wonders why it is that rock ‘n’ roll is still around after 50 years when it stopped having anything to say 25 years ago (and doesn’t think corporate control of culture is wonderful).

    A short list, there’s more, but those would work for me.

  • Oingo Boingo titles on the GOP soundtrack:

    Insanity
    Nasty Habits
    Capitalism
    The Winning Side
    and some unreleased singles, Lap of Luxury and Kiss My Ass

    Of course, those songs are all intended somewhat ironically.
    A recent Boingo tribute album includes a version of “Only a Lad” repurposed as a song about an overpriveleged Georgie.

  • How about having both Metallica’s “Master of Puppets” and ABBA’s “Waterloo” in my MP3 player?

  • Grumpy wrote: “Oingo Boingo titles on the GOP soundtrack”

    Of course, you forgot the song about Republican morality, ‘Little Girls’. 🙂

    Now I’m getting completely OT, but it’s interesting to note that Oingo Boingo seems to have transitioned from leaning somewhat right (with songs like ‘Capitalism’ and ‘Only a Lad’ playing like criticism of the left) to leaning somewhat left (‘Insanity’ trashes Dan Quayle, ‘War Again’ trashes the Gulf War).

    I’m going to have to look up that revised version of ‘Only a Lad’…

  • 2Manchu wrote: “How about having both Metallica’s “Master of Puppets” and ABBA’s “Waterloo” in my MP3 player?”

    Seek help, not the Presidency! 🙂

    Then again, I’m currently practicing Metallica’s ‘Fade to Black’ and Queen’s ‘Crazy Little Thing Called Love’ on guitar, so I guess I’ve got my own issues…

  • gg… Politics get fuzzy when you translate them into song lyrics. To wit, Jerry Brown got blasted by the Dead Kennedys.

    “Drink to Bones That Turn to Dust” is the name of the tribute album.

  • Thanks, gg

    I was going to mention my “La Cage aux Folle”/”Big Trouble in Little China” weekend, but I’ve decided to keep that info to myself.

  • Nice ones Grumpy. Only a Lad could have been written for BushBrat (although the verse about the fatal car accident fits Laura Bee).

    And what about Private Life, sung by the mAdmin in a bubble?

    Yes, I will stop my music geeking before I get started on other artists.

  • TAIO wrote: “And what about Private Life, sung by the mAdmin in a bubble?”

    That would make a great music video, with images of Bush staring ‘thoughtfully’ out of the White House window.

    Another good choice for Bush – and then I’m done – is ‘Nothing Bad Ever Happens to Me’, with it’s refrain, “Why should I care?” which sounds exactly like Bush to me…

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