Giuliani backs away from civil unions

Several months ago, I had a constantly-updated list of John McCain’s many policy flip-flops, as the one-time GOP maverick abandoned every position that made him popular, on route to currying favor with the conservative Republican base. The list got up to 17, which is quite a few flip-flops for one candidate.

As it turns out, I may have been keeping a list on the wrong candidate.

Former New York mayor Rudy Giuliani continues to discard the moderate and liberal positions of his past. The latest is civil unions for same-sex couples, which the Republican presidential candidate has been backing away from in recent months.

A campaign aide told the Globe this weekend that Giuliani favors a much more modest set of rights for gay partners than civil union laws in effect in four states offer.

Giuliani has described himself as a backer of civil unions and is frequently described that way in news reports. But he began distancing himself from civil unions in late April, when his campaign told The New York Sun that New Hampshire’s new law goes too far because it is “the equivalent of marriage,” which he has always opposed for gays.

Giuliani’s aides offered little explanation of what specific rights he would support for same-sex couples.

Joe Tarver, spokesman for the Empire State Pride Alliance, a gay-rights group that worked with Giuliani during his eight years as mayor, called the shift “pretty un-Giuliani-like.” Tarver added, “It’s quite obvious he’s playing to the people whose votes he needs to get the Republican nomination.”

Obviously.

Mitt Romney is usually the GOP candidate mocked for reinventing himself, and it’s true, the 2007 Romney bears no resemblance to, say, the 2002 Romney.

But Giuliani is also doing his level best to flip-flop all over the place.

Representatives of New York groups who advocate for abortion rights, gun control, and rights for immigrants, also said Giuliani’s actions on the presidential trail, presenting himself to a more conservative GOP electorate, bears little resemblance to the man they knew as the stand-up mayor of Gotham in the 1990s who was open to moderate and liberal arguments.

He’s flipped on public funding of abortion. And McCain-Feingold campaign finance reform. And late-term abortion. And civil unions, Roe v. Wade, immigration policy, the Hyde Amendment

“One of the things we always said about Rudy Giuliani, and it’s his political capital, really, is what you see is what you get,” [Mary Alice Carr, spokeswoman for the New York state affiliate of NARAL Pro-Choice America] said. “He was always in your face. To now see a guy who says it doesn’t matter either way on Roe v. Wade, we don’t understand who this guy is.”

As a political strategy, I think Giuliani may not realize what a mistake this is. His original strategy used to be, “We may disagree on some social issues, but I hate taxes and 9/11, 9/11, 9/11.” With this new strategy, Giuliani apparently hopes to treat the GOP base as a bunch of idiots, who’ll simply forget his old positions.

It’s a dubious proposition. The right may be nutty, but conservatives know shameless pandering when they see it. What’s left of the GOP center, meanwhile, sees Giuliani moving away from everything they liked about him in the first place.

This is likely to backfire. Stay tuned.

1) But Steve, conservatives like shameless pandering. It swells their egos to know that these candidates will throw away all of their principles in search of conservative approval. Shameless, spineless, self-humiliating pandering is what conservatives expect of candidates.

2) The question every journalist and every candidate both right and left of Roodee should now ask is “Mr. Giuliani, you have said in the past that you support civil unions, and then said that New Hampshire’s law went too far because it too closely resembled marriage. You now say you would support a more limited set of rights for gay people in relationships. Please list the specific rights you do not think gays and lesbians in a civil union should have.

I am beyond confident that he has no answer for that.

  • the more time that passes, the more out of touch with mainstream america these clowns get.

  • The right may be nutty, but conservatives know shameless pandering when they see it.

    I think you give the 28%-ers way too much credit. They see what you (and anyone not within the 28% clique) call ‘shameless pandering’ as their ticket to continue hating, marginalizing, and anti-intellectualizing (is that a word?). This group needs a Giuliani, and he knows that. It’s what he’s counting on. It worked for Dear Leader, didn’t it?

  • Giuliani–like Romney these days–is careening around on the Pander Express (TM).

    What’s so hard to understand, Rudy?

    1) Equal rights (and responsibilities) for all committed couples.

    2) My wife and I would would readily exchange our “marriage license” for a “civil union license.” (It’s just updating the paperwork.)

    3) The marriage institution and the word “marriage” should be the province of religious groups to bestow.

    Rudy the Ridiculous needs to get a clue—or not.

  • Rudolf doesn’t need to be consistent on equal rights for gays and lesbians (or consistent on any issue for that matter), because, quite simply, 9/11 happened.

    The job of a 9/11 Evangelist like Rudolf is to “never let the public to cool off.” This is accomplished through exploiting and manipulating fear, hatred, and lust for vengeance. Everything else is irrelevant. Unquestioning conformity to the imperialists’ agenda is the only article of faith for the 9/11 Evangelist.

  • But Republicans are in favor of many rights for homosexuals – the right to be stoned to death, the right to be denied many kinds of employment, the right to remain out of the military no matter what, the right to special treatment with regard to White House press passes if you are willing to prostitute yourself intellectually to Republicans as well as the more traditional ways, …………

    As many people pointed out last week, the Democratic debate on gay issues was heartening – the fact that they even held such an event (plus the way that the candidates took it seriously and that no one pandered to the voters’ worst instincts) illustrates progress from progressives. Anti-homosexual-rights positions are likely to repay the Republicans for a few more election cycles, but it’s not looking like a winner for them over the long term.

  • Joe Tarver, spokesman for the Empire State Pride Alliance, a gay0right group that worked with Giuliani during his eight years as mayor, called the shift “pretty un-Giuliani-like.”

    Sorry Joe, it is completely Guiliani-like, you’re just beginning to realize what a backstabbing power-crazed dick you’ve been dealing with. Go talk to some members of the NYFD if you want a preview of how much shit he’ll sling your way in the coming months.

  • Political capital?

    “To now see a guy who says it doesn’t matter either way on Roe v. Wade, we don’t understand who this guy is.”

    Uh… He’s either a robot impostor, or a liar. Since robot impostors are the stuff of fiction, he’s a liar. Ever hear the phrase, “If you aren’t now, you never were”? There’s not mystery that this guy isn’t a real liberal.

    I end up feeling more and more like people on both sides of the aisle could stand to re-visit some basic lessons from Kindergarten. If you have only ten cookies, you can give a cookie to each friend, if you have ten friends. But if you eat up all the cookies yourself, then you can’t take care of anybody, even if you only have one friend.

    Take from it what you will.

  • Civil Unions? That’s so pre 9-11…

    Rudy is the perfect Republican: he lies and fabricates freely, and no one stands up to him.

  • Rudy the Reprehensible’s true nature will emerge if he is confronted with his flip-flops by an aggressive reporter. I realize the likelihood of an agressive reporter these days is vanishingly small, but there were some in NYC while Il Duce was mayor. The unvarnished bully quickly emerges when he is challenged, and reporters were banned permanently from press conferences if they breathed disagreement with the Emperor even once.

    It would be entertaining to watch such a spectacle emerge on a national stage. The Rethugs like bullies, however, especially their bullies, and it is unlikely his standing will be hurt among the hardcore 28% or so who think fascism is the way to go.

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