Giuliani faulted by firefighters

Newsweek recently reported, “As Rudy Giuliani’s presidential campaign rolls along, there are more and more voices protesting that he’s not the 9/11 hero America considers him to be. First among them: some firefighters.”

That’s an understatement. First, it’s not just “some”; it’s the nation’s largest firefighters’ union. Second, they’re doing more than just protesting.

The nation’s largest firefighters union is set to launch a video on Wednesday that seeks to tarnish former mayor Rudolph Giuliani’s reputation as a strong leader before and after the Sept. 11, 2001 terrorist attacks.

The 13-minute video — set for distribution to firefighters and the general public courtesy of the International Association of Fire Fighters — uses interviews with New York City firefighters and families of 9/11 victims to argue that Giuliani has exaggerated his record as mayor.

“He’s running on his 9/11 leadership and it was lacking — and there was none,” Jim Riches, a deputy chief in the New York Fire Department and a father of one of the 9/11 victims, says on the video, according to a transcript obtained by ABC News. “I blame Giuliani. He was the leader that day. And he was the leader for the eight years leading up to that.”

The documentary-style video — titled “Rudy Giuliani: Urban Legend” — specifically criticizes Giuliani for failing to ensure “interoperability” of communications devices; placing the city emergency command center in the World Trade Center even after the 1993 terrorist attack at the Twin Towers; and Giuliani’s decision to abandon efforts to recover remains of dead firefighters as he sought a quick clean-up of Ground Zero.

As you may recall, in November 2001, six weeks after the 9/11 attacks, Giuliani decided to limit the number of FDNY searchers who could recover the remains of their fallen colleagues. The fight between the mayor’s office and the fire department grew rather intense. Ultimately, as Mark Kleiman described it, “[O]nce the Bank of Nova Scotia’s gold bars had been recovered, Giuliani ordered that the remaining rubble — including whatever bodies were still there — scooped up and taken to a landfill. When firefighters held a protest, he ordered them arrested.”

It’s safe to say there’s some bad blood here — which isn’t going away anytime soon.

Post Script: Some media outlets are already comparing this conflict to the Swiftboat Liars.

But Giuliani may well prove a tougher target than John Kerry. Before the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth launched their attack on Kerry’s Vietnam record in August 2004, most Americans had only a vague sense of his bio, leaving him susceptible to a counternarrative. But the image of Giuliani as 9/11 hero, as the voice of resolve when all other authority was absent, is deeply ingrained in the American consciousness.

The comparison is ridiculous. The Swiftboat attackers were lying; the International Association of Fire Fighters aren’t. It’s really that simple.

Now, if the comparison is about targeting a presidential hopeful based on his perceived strength, then maybe there’s something to this. But even that’s flawed — John Kerry was a legitimate, decorated war hero, being maligned by liars, while Giuliani’s heroism is largely a media creation.

Regardless, keep an eye out for the IAFF video. From what I hear, it’s devastating.

I have friends who remember him from that day and are planning to vote for him, based on that. I keep pointing out that the only reason he seemed heroic that day was because Dubya looked like a deer when we did see him, and Cheney was nowhere to be seen for days and days. I’ve also explained that the reason he was seen so often walking and talking, i.e., like he was taking charge and doing somwthing, was that he had to walk blocks to get from one different command post to another. My friends know I pay attention to stuff like this, and so for now are giving me the benefit of the doubt, rather than his legend, but I can’t wait to have them watch real people who were there that day to see for themselves exactly what I have been telling them.

So GodBless the FDNY who are still almost 6 years later fighting the enemies of America, even when they are Americans.

  • What a perfect headstone to place on the bullshit “Republicans are tough on terror” meme. Rudy Giuliani, “the Mayor of 9/11” bravely “rescuing” millions of dollars in gold bars, then ordering the bodies of the firefighters hauled off to a landfill.

    This is the modern GOP. Say anything, do anything, exploit anything. Just give ’em the gold bars and no one gets hurt.

  • But the image of Giuliani as 9/11 hero, as the voice of resolve when all other authority was absent, is deeply ingrained in the American consciousness.

    [Checks consciousness]

    Nope. I don’t find a single image of Giuliani as hero (on 9/11 or any other day). Maybe its in there somewhere but if so its hidden deep beneath images of emergency response workers including … what do you know? Fire fighters.

    Another problem with the Swift Boat Vets 4 Truthishness/IAFF comparison:

    SBV isn’t a legitimate group. That was a case of the word of some (alleged) vets we’ve never heard of against another vet. Here we have one man against a bunch of fire fighters. Everyone knows about fire fighters, I’ve yet to meet a person who doesn’t respect fire fighters. It seems like every other person I know wanted to be a fire fighter when they grew up.

    The multiple marriage, cross dressing, friends keep getting busted mayor of decadent elititst liberal NYC is going to go up against fire fighters and expect Das Base to back him up?

    Ha ha ha hahaaa!

    I can hardly wait for that match.

  • Dee, ask your friends whether they want as president someone who is a complete autocrat, who treats anyone who criticizes himself as an enemy whose speech is to be suppressed, who never consulted with members of minority communities over significant issues while in office, and who sought to appoint himself Mayor for Life after September 11. Not to mention his terrible choice in subordinates — I mean he thought Bernie Kerik should have been head of our national domestic security, what a joke.

    September 11 was the only time I remember him acting as a decent person, but that was while we in New York were all wondering, “Where’s Bush?,” and it doesn’t make him fit to be President. He’s a jerk.

  • tAiO –

    The multiple marriage, cross dressing, friends keep getting busted mayor of decadent elititst liberal NYC is going to go up against fire fighters and expect Das Base to back him up?

    Yep – because you forgot one critical piece of the analysis. He isn’t going up against Fire Fighters. He is going against the fire fighters’ Union. And unions are commie pinko liberal special interest groups who hate America (and, not coincidentally, tend to help limit the unfettered capitalist activities of the Corporate Funders of the Republican Party).

  • David in NY, I know he’s an autocrat and would be Dubya on steroids as far as defecating on the bill of rights, etc. I’m saying my friends have this heoic image of Rudy from watching tv that day, and none of them follow politics as much as I do can’t shake this image from their minds. And while I have stopped them from sending him checks. this firefighters dvd will do much more than my own protestation ever could. Because as TAiO said, everyone trusts friefighters. In other words, my friends trust me, and respect my opinion, knowing how engaged I am, but they also know I’m a flaming liberal progressive, in other words an extremist compared to them.

    Put another way, the firefighters are proving why Rudy is congenitally incapable of leading a nation during incredibly troubling times. The same times he’s using to show his eminent qualifications. He’s just another Potemkin presidential candidate, running on asbestos smoke and gold bar mirrors and the collpased steal and glass legs (as Stephan Colbert said a few weeks ago) of the dead of September 11.

  • This is almost certainly wishful thinking… but if the truth was widely aired and Giuliani were destroyed–as he deserves–rather than exalted for his endless and shameless exploitation of the tragedy of 9/11, what a giant step forward it would be for our politics.

    I’m glad to see that there’s finally an effort underway to push back against Il Rudi’s self-serving lies and demagoguery.

  • “The comparison is ridiculous.”

    It is in some ways and it isn’t in others. It’s ridiculous because, as you said, one is a campaign based on truth, while the other was based on lies. But it’s actually a somewhat smart comparison because a lot of people only have a vague sense of Giuliani as the hero of 9/11, in addition to many not knowing, for instance, that he’s pro-choice. So he’s still not thoroughly defined. I don’t think the halo is impossible to crack, even though it may be somewhat difficult. Just as

  • Yep – because you forgot one critical piece of the analysis. He isn’t going up against Fire Fighters. He is going against the fire fighters’ Union. And unions are commie pinko liberal special interest groups who hate America (and, not coincidentally, tend to help limit the unfettered capitalist activities of the Corporate Funders of the Republican Party).

    Comment by Zeitgeist

    I disagree big time. The american people are tired of the lies and falsehoods. The american people are more ‘sophisticated’ on the characters from the 9/11 episode of “wheres osama?” than you think. Rudy is done – capoot. After sucking on bush toes for 6+ yrs, he is just like mccain – going down fast.Your words about the union is nonsense. Lots of your friends, relatives, neighbors belong to unions and they are all americans who desperately want the current assministration to simply go away (to paraguay). No. You are wrong about rudy and the unions. you don’t give enough credit to hard working american patriots, do you?

  • Look at the comparison from another angle:
    In Kerry’s case, it was a Lie against the Truth and the Lie won (or pretty much so).
    In Giuliani’s case, it’s also a Lie against the Truth (even though mirrored as to which is coming from where).

    What are the chances that the Truth will win *this* time? The poor thing has been severely abused for almost 7 yrs now…

  • Zeitgeist,

    You obviously have no idea what the International Association of Fire Fighters (or any union) is about. The IAFF represents 270,000 firefighters and/or EMS workers, all fulltime, working class, Americans serving the citizens they are sworn to protect, which equals about 80% of the population of the United States. The fire service is one of the most unionized trades in the United States with around 95% of fulltime fire and EMS providers being members. These are the people who do this job everyday, it is not a hobby, it is a trade.

    The General President along with all of the Executive Board members are active or retired firefighters and/or EMS providers. The state affiliates and all 3000+ locals are run by the membership, because only members (active or retired, fulltime, fire and/or EMS providers) can run for office of the IAFF, the state affiliates, or locals. The firefighters are the union.

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