Giuliani makes Bush look fiscally responsible

Even if we put aside his terrifying foreign-policy vision, his 9/11-related scandals, his lack of experience, his record of absurd exaggerations, and the questions about his character, Rudy Giuliani made it abundantly clear in September that when it comes to domestic policy, he’s a clown. Yesterday, he put it in writing.

In September, Giuliani insisted that the only way to pay for trillions of dollars in tax cuts is to balance them in the federal budget with more tax cuts. (At the time, Giuliani was speaking to a group of technology executives near DC, who were apparently “bewildered” by the former mayor’s argument.)

Most political observers thought Giuliani had simply misspoken, as a result of confusion about tax policy. The campaign insisted, though, that Giuliani meant exactly what he said.

OK, everyone thought, but he was just pandering. Even the most unhinged lunatics know this is total nonsense, so there’s simply no way a credible presidential candidate could mean it.

This week, Giuliani put his madness in writing. Here’s the Reuters report, conveniently numbered by Kevin Drum.

Republican presidential hopeful Rudy Giuliani has proposed what he called a multitrillion-dollar tax cut that would (1) lower the corporate tax rate from 35 percent to 25 percent….(2) reduce the capital gains tax from 15 percent to 10 percent….(3) preserve the 2001 and 2003 tax cuts enacted by President George W. Bush….(4) eliminate the estate tax….(5) give taxpayers the option of choosing a simplified tax form with three tax brackets with a maximum bracket of 30 percent….(6) index the alternative minimum tax to inflation and eventually repeal it.

Let’s unpack this just a little.

How much would all of this cost? About 4% of GDP — making it triple the cost of George W. Bush’s tax cuts, which, given that they produced the largest deficits in American history, we already know we can’t afford.

Best of all, when Giuliani is asked how he’d pay for these trillions of dollars in cuts, he effectively says, “That’s the beauty of it — the cuts won’t cost a thing.”

It’s as if Giuliani were trying to sound like a lunatic.

This press release from Grover Norquist’s Americans for Tax Reform should tell you all you need to know.

Former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani today released a pro-growth tax cut package. This multi-trillion dollar tax cut would easily exceed the level of the Reagan or Bush tax cuts. This package is the most pro-growth tax cut of any GOP presidential candidate.

“This tax cut — the largest in history — would represent a monumental leap forward for the American taxpayer and the U.S. economy,” said ATR President Grover Norquist.

Sheer madness.

If you read the details of Guiliani’s tax-cut proposal, he’s predicting that 9/11 will balance the budget for him.

  • If Guiliani says it’s true, it will be true. After all he put his emergency headquarters in the towers after the first attack to dare the terrorists to attack it again, and they obeyed.

  • “That’s the beauty of it — the cuts won’t cost a thing.”

    …. because they’re cuts, you see. Yeah, that’s the ticket.

    I’m no economist, but that whole plan sounds just plain absurd to me.

  • “Toluol Rudy” has been sniffing his industrial-strength model airplane glue again—hasn’t he?

  • Do we see a pattern here? Not only Giuliani, but with all the Republicans. The only thing we should tax is work! The American dream is entombed inside a pyramid scheme within a stock market bubble. And insider information/influence is the key to their version of Darwinian capitalism.

  • Danp,

    except, of course, they can’t call it “Darwinian,” because, you know, they don’t believe in Darwinism. They’ll hire Karl Rove to come up with some catchy–and totally antithetical–bumper-sticker name, like “Free Money.”

  • Grover loves it because it would drag the government right to his bathtub, and its drowning time!
    “Even the most unhinged lunatics know this is total nonsense…” No, we can’t be sure that Rudy knows it. He may be sincere, but the definition is apt.

    Republican choice for president in 2008:
    Stupid
    Insane, or
    John McCain
    And we’re not sure of him, either.

  • let’s take their mantra to the extreme. if we cut taxes to zero, the government will just be awash in money! end of all our problems!

  • I think as long as a very tiny % of the country is doing alright, I’ll make it through. Just knowing that they can buy that gold shark tank will keep my chin up high.

  • I think for the first time since this absurd supply economic policy was enacted by Reagan (which ultimately resulted in two huge deficits, one under the god himself, the second under our current pres.), the american people won’t go for it. Hopefully the democrats will be intelligent enough to delineate its absurdities should Rudy win the republican nomination, as well as point out to an american public that is sick of the disparity between the ultra rich and the rest of us that most of these tax breaks ONLY benefit the ultra-rich. This death tax that he rants on and on and on about only affects people who inherit more than 600,000 dollars (or maybe even more — I’m willing to concede this number may be inaccurate). Could you please tell me how many of us does that include?

    I think this new proposal points to one thing – Rudy’s feeling desperate. He’s trying to get some attention to catapult him into Super Tuesday, so he’s saying hte most outrageous thing he can to get votes. Even he can’t be this stupid? Although, the more I see/hear from him with his syntactically awkward propagandistic slogans, the more I’m beginning to think he truly is; more than ANY OTHER candidate in the race, Rudy sounds like a tired horse whose brain can’t maneuver around variety. “9/11,” “Ronald Reagan,” “The Terrorists War on Us,” “My Twelve Committments to the American People,” etc., etc. Sigh and yawn.

  • Giuliani…Bush…the debates…Washington politics? I understand the country’s at war, we’re in an economic downturn, and we’ll be electing a president this year; But it’s friday! Pleeeez, can’t we talk about Britney Spears for a change?

  • You can win a lot of support just by telling people what they want to hear. And so it is with these “free lunch” tax cuts.

    I second the thought of Danp @ #6 with a slight change in terminology: the only thing that Republicans want taxed is labor. And we should never tax capital, especially not capital gains or dividends or estates. (For those of you who have accepted the Republican frame, when I mention taxing estates, I’m talking about the “death tax.”)

    I hate to get all Marxist on everyone, but what we are seeing here is the same class struggle that Karl Marx described in the nineteenth century, a class war being waged by the richest Americans against the poorest. But when I point this out, they will accuse ME of being a “class warrior.”

  • To Javon #11: If someone dies this year, he is taxed (estate tax) only if his estate is over 2 million. In 2009 it is 3.5 million. In 2010 the tax is repealed completely. In 2011 it reverts to 2001 levels, but don’t expect that to happen. It is the estate that gets taxed, not the heir.

  • Also if you die this year with an estate worth $2,000100, your tax wil be $48.00 If your estate os worth 10 million, you get taxed 3.84 million. In other words 48% of whatever is over 2 million. There are exceptions though, such as for farm land, and of course, if you have this much money, your accountant has found you a way to eliminate most of it through trusts. etc.

  • to #15 — thanks. I had a feeling my information was wrong. But it goes to my point — what is the big deal about that for most americans? Rudy’s been going on and on about the death tax, but I don’t see how it affects most of us.

  • More than a tax-cut, we need spending cuts. More than tax-hikes, we need spending cuts. In other words, the GOP and the Democrats are both wrong. What this country fundamentally needs is huge cuts in spending.

  • “But it goes to my point — what is the big deal about that for most americans? Rudy’s been going on and on about the death tax, but I don’t see how it affects most of us.”

    precisely! this is just one more example of the lies that republicans keep repeating to scare americans into helping the very rich get more rich!

  • Rude-E, (wearing fishnet hose and bright green bustier), waterboards the already choking American economy while Grover, (in leather hood and unbuttoned lederhosen embroidered with skulls), watches with Little Grover in hand as America convulses and promises to never ask the rich for anything ever again.

    A low murmur of approval is heard by the wealthy in attendance as a spent Grover and exhilarated Rude-E leave the room holding hands, giggling and scratching each others palm. It’s hard to tell if America, (still strapped to the torture table), is continuing to breathe but no one present really cares. The promise has been obtained. America will no longer be a bother. It’s time to divvy up whatever belongings she might have been trying to cling to.

  • Sheer madness is right, and I’m afraid that’s all we have to look forward to under our current media conglomerated paradigm. Thanks to Bill Clinton and his Republican friends, the corporate-media conglomerations can effectively “control the past”, and thereby control the present, and to an extent, the future. When insane proposals only get the attention they deserve in small communities of people online, when the general public is kept in the dark about the true stupidity of candidates until it’s too late, when people’s true natures can be utterly flipped around, you have all the ingredients for a real-time remake of 1984.

    The following article by Jeff Cohen details the extent of how well the corporations can now control the public’s knowledge of key facts:

    http://www.commondreams.org/views04/1122-31.htm

    The basis for Bush’s victory was in place way before 2004. At the end of last year, a huge study done by the University of Maryland’s PIPA, the Program on International Policy Attitudes, found that most of those who got their news from the commercial TV networks held at least 1 of 3 fundamental “misperceptions” about the war in Iraq (and some held 2 or 3 of them)…

    …74 percent of Bush supporters believed that Bush favors inclusion of labor and environmental standards in trade agreements.

    60 percent of Bush supporters said the US should not have initiated a war with Iraq unless evidence established that Iraq had WMDs and was supporting the Al Qaeda terrrorists…

    It almost doesn’t matter what reality is. It doesn’t matter if tax cuts can’t be used to pay for tax cuts. When the knowledge of key facts can be obscured, as has been clearly demonstrated, the past has effectively been “changed”. People will vote for sheer madness if they’ve been convinced of a lie. I’ll bet a huge number of people believe that tax cuts pay for themselves.

    Sheer madness is what the wingnut base demands, so that’s all that will fly in the Republican primary, but then comes the insidious part: after the primaries are over, the media bobbleheads will dutifully focus on trivia and allow the Republican candidate to pivot to the center-left in the general election, because their madness benefits their corporate overlords. Mr. Cohen lays out the danger clearly:

    Until broadcasting is demonopolized and removed from the control of these corporations, and until major insulated funding goes to genuine public broadcasting, misinformed voters will be easy prey for political demagoguery in election after election.

  • Javon wrote: “Rudy’s been going on and on about the death tax, but I don’t see how it affects most of us.”

    Well, remember, this is personal to Rudy. If he doesn’t fix the Estate tax his kids are going to kill him in 2010.

  • “This tax cut — the largest in history — would represent a monumental leap

    over the cliff.

    Proof that Republicans don’t have brains – they keep going on about “supply-side” economics when David Stockman himself said in 1985 that the Reagan campaign had known it was a crock in 1980 and had cooked the books to sell it to Congress.

  • “More than a tax-cut, we need spending cuts. More than tax-hikes, we need spending cuts. In other words, the GOP and the Democrats are both wrong. What this country fundamentally needs is huge cuts in spending.”

    From where, exactly? We’re already in a deficit situation, and that doesn’t even include war-related expenses. And if we want to upgrade border security, rebuild infrastructure, provide health insurance, work toward energy independence, or do anything else you can name, someone has to pay for it.

  • Reading Rudy’s concepts, one gets the feeling that Rudy is essentially highjacking an airplane and flying it into the US Treasury building. 9/11 truly is the inspiration for all his ideas.

    And as for Mr. Norquist, Rudy’s tax policies are pro-growth — for China and the US national debt. No infrastructure, no make money. What a twit.

  • softwarenerd,

    What this country fundamentally needs is huge cuts in spending.

    In what areas would you recommend these huge cuts take place?

  • Give credit to the Giuliani campaign for practicing what it preaches. They have announced that staffers will not be paid retroactive to January first. That is of course the best way to lower taxes. Make everybody work for free.

  • It’s “funny” how all those super-Christians turn to other religions when it comes to money. Once money’s the subject, it’s all Fairy Taxes and Voodoo Economics

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