Giuliani’s most absurd gaffe yet

When a presidential candidate misspeaks and commits a dreaded “gaffe,” it’s embarrassing. When a candidate commits a gaffe that feeds into existing concerns, it tends to have a far greater impact.

So, in 1992, when Bill Clinton said he “didn’t inhale,” it reinforced the narrative that he liked to try and have things both ways — in this case, he tried to try marijuana, but couldn’t. When John Kerry accurately described his votes on an appropriations bill, saying he voted for it before he voted against it, it reinforced the largely-bogus notion that he was inconsistent on his policy positions.

With that in mind, I wonder if Rudy Giuliani’s comments to the Weekly Standard might help underscore what a ridiculous candidate he is.

A liberal who had penned columns in his college paper extolling John Kennedy’s virtues, Giuliani opposed the Vietnam war and voted for George McGovern in the 1972 presidential election. “I had traditionally been a Democrat,” Giuliani told me in a recent interview in Las Vegas. “It was almost like a reflex mode. I actually remember saying to myself, ‘If I was a person really deciding who should be president right now, I’d probably vote for Nixon, because I think the country would be safer with Nixon.’ My concern was the Soviets, foreign policy, strong military.”

Whatever his concern, it was not enough to make Giuliani pull the lever for a Republican.

Now, by any reasonable measure, Giuliani sounds ridiculous. Giuliani could have said, “Yes, I was a liberal Democrat in 1972, but soon after saw the error of my ways. Like Ronald Reagan, I made the transition from Democrat to Republican and I’m glad I did.” That would have been a perfectly satisfactory answer, and very few voters would lift an eyebrow over how a candidate voted in an election 35 years ago.

But Giuliani chose a very different direction. He told the Weekly Standard that he voted for McGovern but he really thought Nixon was the better candidate. He knew Nixon would keep the nation “safer,” but he voted for McGovern anyway. Giuliani was in “reflex mode,” whatever the hell that means.

This is both amusing and pathetic at the same time.

Greg Sargent added an important contextual note:

Does this mean that Rudy didn’t vote for the candidate who he himself thought would keep the country safer? Seems a bit odd. Foreign policy and national security issues were kind of front and center during that campaign.

Quite right. In 1972, the war in Vietnam was still a disaster, and McGovern ran on a “platform that advocated withdrawal from the Vietnam War in exchange for the return of American prisoners of war and amnesty for draft evaders who had left the country.”

Giuliani heard this and supported McGovern — but wants the conservative Weekly Standard to know 35 years later than he knew, even then, that he was supporting the candidate that was weak on national security.

What possible motivation could Giuliani have to make himself sound like a raving idiot? It’s about some absurd notion of consistency — for whatever reason, he doesn’t want to say he made the transition from liberal to conservative; he wants to be able to say he was conservative all along. As a result, Giuliani feels like has to say he voted for McGovern, but he knew at the time he was making the wrong choice.

In effect, he’s saying, “In order to prove my conservative bona fides, I’m willing to admit that I intentionally voted for the weaker candidate during a war. See how consistent I am?”

In recent months, a growing number of Americans have come to realize that Giuliani has no real center, and will say and do anything to get elected. It’s exactly why this gaffe may be the worst of the campaign thus far.

We could only know Giuliani voted for McGovern if he told us himself. Therefore, whatever change of heart he’s had has been more recently than 1972; it happened sometime after he publicly acknowledged voting for McGovern (during an earlier mayoral campaign?).

  • I think if you start having the imaginary discussion where Rudy tries to honestly talk (assuming that he can be honest, which is kind of a stretch) about his position on Vietnam and his Democratic past and his vote for McGovern, it quickly becomes clear why he has to frame this the way he has – there are too many ways to compare Vietnam to Iraq, and it’s too easy to give the current anti-war position actual legitimacy; before he knows it, he’s revealed what is so wrong and so damaging about the position he wants to represent.

    This is a pretty common thread that runs through a lot of what Rudy says about his changed positions; he has to explain everything based on what position he wants to take now, and it’s better to make himself look like he made mistakes with his old positions than to discredit the positions he holds.

    Hope that made sense.

  • “What possible motivation could Giuliani have to make himself sound like a raving idiot?”

    In this case I don’t think he does sound like an idiot. Many voters are of two minds. I was when I voted for Carter over Anderson, and when I voted for Dukakis instead of staying home. Giuliani’s story tells us that his old allegiances caused him to vote for McGovern but that in his heart he knew he would be safer with Nixon. No doubt he figures many voters today might be inclined to vote Democratic but that in their hearts they “know” they’ll be safer with Giuliani as president. His story isn’t a gaffe; it’s a campaign theme.

  • Rudy’s reflex mode is why he fired Bratton, hired and promoted Kerik, has married and divorced so many times. Rudy’s reflex mode is essentially the same as W’s gut response. It would be nice if the Republicans considered nominating someone who used his/her little grey cells rather than gastrointestinal tract to make decisions.

  • If, when I go to vote in 11/08, I see Giuliani’s name on the ballot, I will go into a certain kind of “reflex mode” – specifically, gag-reflex mode – and vote for the Dem.

  • Giuliani doesn’t make gaffes as far as the media is concerned. The only narrative about him is that he is America’s Mayor, the hero of 9/11. Any actions or events that run counter to that narrative will be ignored.

  • Usually in politics, this is called a flip-flop. But just for fun in RooDee’s case, everyone should make a concerted effort to refer to it as “infidelity to his prior position” just to reinforce a narrative he would rather avoid. Given his temper, I suspect if everyone started referring to it that way his head would explode within a week.

  • This is exactly what makes me paranoid…that something is terribly wrong here. Rudy is such a joke as a candidate and the press should have ripped him a new one several times over yet here he is still a front funner. Why? How is this possible? There’s seldom a week that goes by without a Guiliani lie or he says or does something that is self-defeating or something is revealed that should end his campaign yet nothing happens. The press is silent. What gives? Is there a fix in or what? The guy is a joke as a candidate. Is the GOP that desperate or is this really what the GOP has become?

  • No real center? Giuliani’s center is ambition. Ruthless, naked ambition.

    The last president we had who was nothing but naked ambition? Richard Nixon. How did that work out?

  • So, Rudy would have felt safer with Nixon? Safer? The only thing we have to fear is everything in Rudyworld. With Rudy being the only thing between us and annihilation.

    But what annihilation? Like the monkey that keeps pushing the button to get another shot of cocaine until he finally dies, Rudy has found his drug and it’s fear. And he will push that button relentlessly until he’s destroyed the country and he will watch it happen in sadness saying that he tried his best and it wasn’t his fault. Or maybe he thought in the back of his mind that he should have done it a different way but he was reflexively over reactionary or overly paranoid in the name of the safety of every man, woman and child, (both born and unborn), in America. He wanted to protect us all and if he failed it was with the best intentions.

    Jeesus Christ. Thank you Rudy. We owe you so much even if you killed us in the process.

    Rudy is worse than Shruby. Rudy is his own Cheney, Rove, Rummy, Addison, Yoo, Fleisher, Perle, etc. It’s amazing that he’s as far along as a presidential candidate that he is. It says very, very bad things about where this country is at. As if we needed reminding.

    We are Screwedy with Rudy.

  • He could have been being honest, in which case it just means he was jerking people around when he was a Democrat, and really had conservative values all along. He was being a poser (a little pushover wimp) because his friends were Democrats and he thought he had to say whatever they wanted to hear him say to get along with his powerful liberal friends. It was all about making connections, and then once he got to the top he decided to show his yellow streak for what it really was, and go conservative when that was the angle he thoght he needed to win elections. Next year he’ll be a Mormon-gone-Scientologist, for all we or anyone .else knows.

  • I don’t want to elect somebody like that. What if he bombed Russia and then said “Oops. I was in ‘reflex mode'”.

  • Rudy=Scmoody. He is a joke. The last time we had a decent man in the White House he was run out of town by a B=class actor and we have never recovered. God help us all.

  • i will vote for OBAMA

    in 35 years i will reconsider and think i should have voted for RUDY

    i will be wrong but the lead paint will have taken effect and i won’t notice

    i will drool like ronny during the jellybean years

  • ANOTHER CASE OF ASSHOLE-REFLEX SYNDROM…

    side effects?

    getting caught cross-dressing
    hiring the mob to help you as mayor
    having the iq of a radish

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