Giuliani’s race problem

TPM posted a clip on Friday of Rudy Giuliani screaming “bullsh*t” at a police union rally in 1992. Surprisingly, several leading conservative blogs complained bitterly, questioning the significance of the video.

At first blush, the clip appears to reinforce concerns about Giuliani’s temperament, but even more important was the context in which the comments were made. As Greg Sargent explained, a lengthy piece in the New York Times today helps clarify exactly why Giuliani’s outburst matters.

…Mr. Giuliani took a fateful step that would for years prompt questions about his racial sensitivities. In September 1992, he spoke to a rally of police officers protesting Mr. Dinkins’s proposal for a civilian board to review police misconduct.

It was a rowdy, often threatening, crowd. Hundreds of white off-duty officers drank heavily, and a few waved signs like “Dump the Washroom Attendant,” a reference to Mr. Dinkins. A block away from City Hall, Mr. Giuliani gave a fiery address, twice calling Mr. Dinkins’s proposal “bullshit.” The crowd cheered. Mr. Giuliani was jubilant.

“If you’re acculturated to like cops, you don’t necessarily see 10,000 white guys who don’t vote in the city, don’t write political checks and love you for the wrong reason,” an aide said. He spoke on condition of anonymity because he is working with the Giuliani presidential campaign.

Mr. Dinkins has not forgotten that sea of angry cops. “Rudy was out there inciting white cops to riot,” Mr. Dinkins said in a recent interview.

A year later, Giuliani asked aides to identify potential pitfalls for his mayoral campaign. The “vulnerability study” cited Giuliani’s “shrieking performance,” and noted that he had inexplicably failed to denounce those who levied racist attacks on Dinkins.

That’s why the video clip is important, not because of a candidate’s profanity, which is hardly a disqualifier in a presidential race, but because Giuliani’s speech appears to have been an attempt to stoke racist animus against an African-American mayor.

For that matter, it speaks to something of a pattern: Rudy Giuliani has a difficult past when it comes to race relations.

In the years to come, Mr. Giuliani would rebuff not just the histrionic Mr. Sharpton but nearly every high-ranking black official in the city, even those of moderate politics: congressmen, a state comptroller, influential ministers.

But grabbing hold of the race dial proved easier than turning it to his will.

“I never thought Rudy Giuliani was a racist,” said Fran Reiter, one of Mr. Giuliani’s deputy mayors. “But he was obsessed with the notion there were certain groups he couldn’t win over. And he wasn’t even going to try.”

Black leaders, Mr. Giuliani said in 1994, had to “learn how to discipline themselves in the way in which they speak” if they expected to chat with him. The city’s welfare-state philosophy, he said later, was racist and “enslaved” black New Yorkers.

Michael Meyers, president of the New York Civil Rights Coalition, who once advised Giuliani, acknowledged that the former mayor “could play on the edge of old racial antipathies.”

As the campaign progresses, expect this to become more and more important.

Rudy Giuliani has a difficult past when it comes to race relations.

Rudy Giuliani has a difficult past when it comes to human relations.

Rudi’s campaign slogan:

“Create two, three, many outer boroughs!”

  • That’s an excellent story in the Times. Comprehensive and very fair.

    Everything about Giuliani really stems from his arrogance and megalomania. I can see not talking with Sharpton, a self-serving demagogue and provocateur who’d put the city through the Tawana Brawley debacle, made anti-Semitic comments and generally saw every instance of racial tension as an opportunity for advancement. But shutting out honorable people like Dinkins and McCall, and totally failing to take even the most basic PR steps after outrages like the Louima and Dourismond cases, led to a needlessly divided city–and ultimately turned off not just non-whites, but many white moderates and liberals who had given Rudy a shot in 1993 and, to a lesser extent, in ’97.

    I don’t think it’s going to happen, but if the 2008 election somehow came down to Rudy vs. Obama, I think you could see Democrats winning a bunch of southern states like Mississippi.

  • “I never thought Rudy Giuliani was a racist,” said Fran Reiter, one of Mr. Giuliani’s deputy mayors. “But he was obsessed with the notion there were certain groups he couldn’t win over. And he wasn’t even going to try.”

    Giuliani is just another Republican, the party of white supremacy. Garrison Keillor had it right when he called Republicans “freelance racists.”

    The Republican Party is the “American Taliban.”

  • In the years to come, Mr. Giuliani would rebuff not just the histrionic Mr. Sharpton but nearly every high-ranking black official in the city, even those of moderate politics: congressmen, a state comptroller, influential ministers.

    I think the problem with this is it’s not just a “race problem,” it’s a “racist contingent,” and I think that’s something a lot of liberals fail to grasp.

    People are making a point of doing this not just because they’re juvenile stupid-heads; quite the contrary, they are calculating individuals, even if their values and their caluculation on moral and social issues may leave something to be desired. Acts likes this aren’t just out-of-control, impulsive histrionics. There are a group of people out there, a bloc, that have a real problem with non-white politicians and acts like this show them that you get it and that you don’t consider those people “serious” politicians. Statements about pro-black, or pro-working class, policies being racist or about liberal groups being racist are just cover, so that the hints these politicians drop to that bloc aren’t too obvious. But those politicians may act nice or minimally civil to liberals and black in one-on-one, face to face meetings, and a lot of liberals and blacks eat it up: it’s as if “If he really didn’t like me just because I’m (black/a liberal), he would say it to my face and make it obvious to everybody that he’s a Nazi or some kind of un-serious person.” Nope, generally people who don’t stand on their lawns all day with auto grease all over themselves, barefoot, drooling, and slurring every other word, are not that dumb, and especially so if they get to public office / have careers as lawyers, administrative positions in police agencies, etc. The conservatives are still dumb, just not that dumb.

  • Rudy is like that one loud voice in the lynch mob who leads the mob all the way to the sheriff’s office and then is made to look like the fool. I am truly amazed that he is even in this race because of his total lack of national experience and all of the widespread mistakes he has made in his past. I thought Republicans on the whole would just be insulted by the ego of this man but then the GOP is grasping at straws anyway. This Rudolf couldn’t even lead a sleigh.

  • Steve,

    The Times article also neglected to mention that Giulani’s campaign Chair in South Carolina has headlined events by white supremacists groups, and referred to the NAACP as “The Enemy,” to a NYT reporter no less. That seems like it would be relevant to an article on his race problems.

  • Then, at the other end of the spectrum, you have Republicans that aren’t so racist, but will swear to God up and down that the Republican party is anti-racist and that its platform has nothing to do with racism! The thing is, all these people in the party are being around by the real racist ones, whether they’re sure of it or care that much about it, or not. And, the ones who are racist can make themselves look a lot like the ones who aren’t so racist, as I alluded to in my last comment.

    One more thing: I know educated people who read this site will already know this, but it’s something that just can’t be said enough, because the Republicans are pushing it for all it’s worth nowadays: despite the fact that Lincoln was a Republican, and despite the fact that many Democrats were overtly racist and anti-integration during the civil rights movement, the Republican party has become the party of racism, and all the people who really care about racism have moved to it, and even by the time of and during the civil rights movement, the Republicans had already come to oppose integration in greater numbers than Democrats.

  • Good point, Swan. It kind of seems like the way they are trying to attract supporters with the war against “illegal aliens”, or even “Muslim extremists.” It’s always easier when you can identify your enemy, and these terms have come to mean little more than Hispanics and people of Arabic origin. I think also that while they love to attack people as “elitists”, they’re constantly looking for large groups they can feel superior to.

  • besides, it was dinkins/kelly who stopped the koch/reagan crime wave (murder rate peaked the first year dinkins was mayor, and went down every year after that) wonder why dinkins doesn’t get any credit and koch doesn’t get any blame. i really, really, really wonder.

  • I agree with 98% of what I read on the Carpetbagger but this falls into the other 2%. I don’t think it is at all illustrative of being unhinged or having a tinder keg temperament (even if he does, in fact, have one). He’s just a guy making a point and I wish more politicians called “bullshit” when that is what they feel. I can’t stand the guy but I don’t think the video makes him look bad. I think it makes him look good.

    Guiliani may very well have a racial problem in addition to his temperamental problem, but it’s way over the top to draw that conclusion from this video alone.

  • Not even in the context of–

    In the years to come, Mr. Giuliani would rebuff not just the histrionic Mr. Sharpton but nearly every high-ranking black official in the city, even those of moderate politics: congressmen, a state comptroller, influential ministers.

    –Nonplussed? Not even in the context of all the other stuff that CB assembled?

    Remember in Othello, when Cassio dreamed about kissing Desdemona, and the jealous Othello and Iago agreed that it could be nothing, because everyone dreams, and it doesn’t necessarily mean that something’s going on because someone dreamed? But then the ever-cunning Iago turned to Othello, and said, “This may help thicken other proofs, that do demonstrate thinly”?

    We don’t have to be evil Iago to draw conclusions from this kind of stuff.

  • When I’m on the treadmill at the gym, to get myself pumped, I often imagine what it’d be like if I ran the campaign for the Democratic candidate in 2008. (It’s weird, and I can describe all of the odd things that I do and associate with it, but that’s another story.) I’ve found myself using the idea of running against Giuliani more than any other. Why? Because I like to imagine myself running both a serious, intelligent campaign but one that would be more than able to practice a scorched earth policy.

    Somewhere, I read that 80% of black and Hispanic males under the age of thirty were strip searched while Giuliani was mayor for minor crimes like jay walking. If that’s even remotely close to the truth, that’s horrifying. Keeping in mind the effectiveness that the Bush-Cheney campaign in 2004 had with advertising directly on Spanish-language television, I thought about running ads showing what a police state we’d be living in if Giuliani were president.

    Part of me is sad that I’d feel the need, in this hypothetical situation, to run what in many ways would amount to a campaign with extensive charges of racism. (Another, more cynical part of me is horrified at the thought of it helping him.) But it’s stuff like this that makes me feel, if I were in the position I sometimes I imagine, it’d be justified.

    Am I crazy?

  • By the way, I’m not one of those guys who know a lot of Shakespeare. I just knew the quote I used because it happened to be in some tapes on evidence law I was listening to recently- “borrowed glory” (non-attributed quote). The lecturer used the quote to demonstrate how a single piece of evidence doesn’t have to take you all the way or most of the way to the end zone in proving your case, just so long as it brings you a little closer to proving your issues. I almost never use “borrowed glory,” but here, it just happened to be really explanatory and I just happened to be listening to the tape recently, and it was really amusing to me to use the quote that way, so I did.

  • Why does anybody take Rudy seriously?
    A pro-abortion, McGovern Democrat who poses in drag for pictures at public affairs. Yup, he’s probably a passive racist. That would explain his being a Yankee fan from Brooklyn in the early ’50’s. If you’re not from NYC, being a Yankee fan in Brooklyn at that time was far, far more reprehensible than being a Russian spy – or a practicing member of al Qaeda today.
    Bottom line is that if he gets the Republican nomination they will lose at least 40 states. It’s the photos of him in a dress that will do it. All we Democrats need to do is produce high-quality full color posters of Rudy in drag (with no message beyond the single word, ‘Rudi!’) and plaster them on every available surface in every Red State. I can see Hillary carrying Texas, Alabama and Oklahoma while losing NY and California.

  • It is said that there is this RACE problem. Everybody says this RACE problem will be solved when the third world pours into EVERY white country and ONLY into white countries.

    The Netherlands and Belgium are as crowded as Japan or Taiwan, but nobody says Japan or Taiwan will solve this RACE problem by bringing in millions of third worlders and quote assimilating unquote with them.

    Everybody says the final solution to this RACE problem is for EVERY white country and ONLY white countries to “assimilate,” i.e., intermarry, with all those non-whites.

    What if I said there was this RACE problem and this RACE problem would be solved only if hundreds of millions of non-blacks were brought into EVERY black country and ONLY into black countries?

    How long would it take anyone to realize I’m not talking about a RACE problem. I am talking about the final solution to the BLACK problem?

    And how long would it take any sane black man to notice this and what kind of psycho black man wouldn’t object to this?

    But if I tell that obvious truth about the ongoing program of genocide against my race, the white race, Liberals and respectable conservatives agree that I am a naziwhowantstokillsixmillionjews.

    They say they are anti-racist. What they are is anti-white.

    Anti-racist is a code word for anti-white.

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