Giuliani’s support starts to tank within GOP

Maybe it was the Shag Fund scandal. Perhaps it was all the lying. It very would could have been the Republican activists suddenly waking up recently and discovering, en masse, that he disagreed with them on the domestic policy issues they care about most, including abortion, gays, marriage, immigration, stem-cell research, and gun control.

Whatever the explanation, just as the presidential primary races enter the final stretch, Rudy Giuliani’s support is starting to tank.

Three weeks before the first contest of the 2008 campaign, Republicans remain sharply divided over whom to choose as their presidential nominee and which of the five leading candidates best embodies the core values of a fractured GOP, according to a new Washington Post-ABC News poll.

Former New York mayor Rudolph W. Giuliani continues to lead the Republican field in the national poll, but his support is at its lowest point this year. Mike Huckabee, the former Arkansas governor, has more than doubled his support among likely GOP voters since early November and runs just behind Giuliani. […]

Among all Republicans and GOP-leaning independents, Giuliani’s national lead is as low as it has been since the campaign began. Among likely Republican voters, 25 percent now back Giuliani and 19 percent back Huckabee, whose support jumped from 9 percent last month. Romney ranks third at 17 percent, with Thompson at 14 percent and McCain at 12 percent. In the new poll, Giuliani is at his lowest level to date among conservatives, down nine points over the past month, to 19 percent.

In fact, let’s be more specific. Greg Sargent has a great chart that highlights the trend nicely, but Giuliani’s drop is practically across the board.

Among conservatives, over the last month, Giuliani’s support has gone from 28% to 19%. Among those closely following the presidential race, it’s dropped from 32% to 12%. Among independents, it was 38%, and now it’s 21%. Among men, Giuliani has gone from 37% in November to 23% in December.

I know it’s still relatively early in the process, and a lot can happen in the next few weeks, but it’s getting increasingly difficult to see how Giuliani’s campaign turns this around.

But, you’re thinking, this is just a national poll. Whether a presidential hopeful is first or fifth in a national poll is of little consequence if he or she excels in the early contests. Indeed, I’ve argued many times that the national surveys can change on a dime after voters in Iowa, New Hampshire, and South Carolina head to the polls.

Two points. First, the national polls are interesting when considering broad trends. And in this case, the broad trend is that Giuliani’s support is dropping quickly across the board.

Second, Giuliani is tanking in the early contests, too.

According to the very helpful data compiled by Pollster.com, Giuliani is a distant third in Iowa (and dropping), a distant second in New Hampshire (and dropping), and somewhere between second and fifth in South Carolina.

When Giuliani first started his campaign, a lot of us thought it was only a matter of time before his record caught up with him. I think we’re seeing it unfold that way now.

Hey—every bonfire begins with a single, tiny flame or two—and then it erupts in a great big “WHUMP” sound. I think GhoulChild’s “WH” ambitions have just run into that “UMP” thing.

S’mores, anyone?

  • Just does not seem to be a home for G in today’s GOP.

    Now if he was to renounce his past and claim a new found hardcore bible thumpery, he may be able to get enough support of The Base.

  • I’m pretty sure the average Republican voter is looking for one thing, and only one thing: A guy who can beat the evil Democrats. Giuliani had that aura (in their minds) and now that he’s losing some support, they’re scrambling to line up behind anyone they think can do the job. If he’s a philanderer, a cult member, an abortion provider or a guy who pardons serial killers, they really don’t care, as long as the guy can win. But fortunately, thanks to all the disastrous Republican policies the Republican voter has melted, and the Democrats are all but certain to win. Only 37% of military family members approve of Bush, and that alone will hurt the Republicans badly.

    One thing’s for sure, I can’t wait to see the Ghouliani team going negative on the entire Republican field as they all go down in flames.

    They all hate “America’s Mayor”! They must be terrorists!

  • I think that Giuliani’s high standing in early polls was entirely because his name was the most familiar of all the candidates. He is polling the best in places where he hasn’t campaigned much.

    There is no way that Giuliani he represents today’s Republican Party – except for the unsavory associates and the sex scandals. As voters get to know him, it seems they don’t like what they see. It isn’t surprising at all.

  • I hate oversimplified analysis, but I can’t help but think that the only thing Giuliani ever did to offend Republicans was when Russert asked him if taxpayers should have to pay for security for a president’s mistress, and he didn’t say, “no!”

  • Celebrity/name recognition is enough to get an early lead in any primary contest, on either side. But it generally isn’t enough to win a nomination, unless matched with endless money and near-monolithic institutional support. Bush did it in 2000, to all our detriment; Lieberman was the name-recognition candidate in the 2004 cycle, and we know how that turned out; Hillary Clinton had more money and institutional support than Holy Joe, and less than Bush, and her coronation is now in doubt.

  • The Republican Party has more falling stars than a meteor shower. Don’t worry Rudy, Fred’s keeping a seat warm for you down in the second tier. Surely with a few more good lies things will turn around for Rudy, won’t they?

  • ***…the entire Republican field as they all go down in flames.***

    Well, racer—it does give new meaning to the phrase “bonfire of the vanities….”

  • In order for his demise to be complete, someone else has to come out on top. I’m having trouble seeing who that could be. Huckabee is currently enjoying the surge of being the “none of the above” candidate. Can he solidify it into real support or just be a flash-in-the-pan? If he wins Iowa and picks up South Carolina, the non-evangelical wing will coalesce behind someone to stop him, because he’s this cycle’s Goldwater. Will that be Romney? Sure, if he had not pretended to be an ordained Baptist minister all year. Now, though, he may have flip-flopped once too often for them. McCain? As the great Huck parody says, “He’s 178 years old” and reviled by the Bible-thumpers. That leaves Rudy (Grandpa Fred isn’t even worth considering), who with a ton of cash and the “bomb-everyone” crowd behind him, just may be able to hang around long enough to be the anti-Huckabee. And if Hillary gets the nomination, he becomes much more attractive to the party, since for whatever reason, he’s viewed as the best shot to defeat her. Don’t count him out, folks. Whether we like it or not, he could be the next “comeback kid.”

  • Not with ya JZ.
    Romney while unimpressive, hasn’t been pursued as a flip flopper by teh press and the non-evangelicals are sooner going to abandon Rudy for Romney than Vice versa.

    If you add Romnney plus Rudy, you get a commanding 42%. I don’t see Rudy’s cadre going anywhere else. Thompson isn’t serious, McCain has no credibility after his Baghdad shopping sprees… Add to it, Romney was a governor. Vice presidents and Governors win the white house.

    JFK beat the drop dead gorgeous Richard Nixon in 1960 34,227,096 to 34,107,646.
    A squeaker against Mr. Charm-school himself.

    Warren Harding in 1921 beat a governor soundly and turned out to be our second worst president.

    Republicans think about “electability” too, even if it’s not the best idea.

  • No GOP candidate will win the general and it’s l;aughable to see people syaing stuff like “..don’t count him out…” or ” could defeat Hillary or Obama or Edwards etc.” Not a chance. All the dems candidates are electable…NONE of the GOP candidates are electable. After the horrors of Bush and with the GOP hopefuls being such jokes, to even suggest any of these guys have a chance is ridiculous. We won’t be sitting on our butts either thinking we don’t have to bother because it’s in the bag. No it’s beyond that. Our anger at the republicans for all but destroying our nation drive us hard to get rid of these obstructionist fools. Rudy is the biggest egomaniac to ever run for office and he deserves to fall hard for his lies, insults and exaggerations. For the media to have ignored him for this long is baffling. Good riddance Rudy. Now go back to selling your 9/11 hero crap overseas…we’re all booked up here.

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