Giving the ‘compromise’ on terror suspects a little touch up

Last week, the Bush administration’s “compromise” with Senate Republicans on detainees was bad enough. Now we learn that the Bush gang, with support from House Republicans, have quietly altered the deal, apparently making it slightly worse.

Republican lawmakers and the White House agreed over the weekend to alter new legislation on military commissions to allow the United States to detain and try a wider range of foreign nationals than an earlier version of the bill permitted, according to government sources.

Lawmakers and administration officials announced last week that they had reached accord on the plan for the detention and military trials of suspected terrorists, and it is scheduled for a vote this week. But in recent days the Bush administration and its House allies successfully pressed for a less restrictive description of how the government could designate civilians as “unlawful enemy combatants,” the sources said yesterday. They spoke on the condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of negotiations over the bill.

The Bush administration believes anyone it labels an unlawful enemy combatant can be held indefinitely at military or CIA prisons. But what’s an “unlawful combatant”? According to administration’s latest language, it’s anyone who “has engaged in hostilities or who has purposefully and materially supported hostilities against the United States” or its military allies. (The original simply said “engaged in hostilities against the United States.”) With this more expansive definition, and with “supported” being a little vague, the Bush gang will have even more leeway.

Let’s also not forget that, as the WaPo noted, the administration’s latest definition “does not rule out the possibility of designating a U.S. citizen as an unlawful combatant.”

And where are Sens. for John Warner (R-Va.), John McCain (R-Ariz.) and Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.)? According to the Post, Capitol Hill sources said “the three had accepted” the administration’s revised language.

And then there’s denying habeas corpus.

The Senate Judiciary Committee went through the motions of discussing the move yesterday, and heard quite a bit from legal experts.

Thomas P. Sullivan, a former United States attorney in Chicago who has represented detainees at Guantanamo, testified that it was “beyond my capacity to accept” that the Senate would push through a habeas provision “on the eve of elections” with so little public hearing.

“I believe that if this bill is passed with these habeas-stripping provisions in it, then after I am dead and the members of this Senate hearing are dead, an apology will be made,” Mr. Sullivan said, “just as we did for the incarceration of the Japanese citizens in the Second World War.”

“This is shameful,” he added, to the applause of protesters dressed in the orange of Guantanamo jumpsuits, “and it is momentous.”

As Slate’s Alexander Dryer noted, Sullivan added, “There was no lawyer given to the defendants. They didn’t speak English, most of them. They were young men who had no training in law. There were no rules of evidence applicable… Now, [do] you call that due process, Your Honor? Do you? … This is a historic moment in our time. To suspend the writ of habeas corpus without hearings, rushing it through just before elections, where people are afraid to vote against this bill because somebody on the other side is going to hold up a TV commercial and criticize them for it, is phony.”

Indeed, it is. Of course, that’s apparently isn’t enough to stop it.

The Bushites fear most of all having to explain why they are such incredible incompentents, who jail teenage kids sold to them by Afghan bounty hunters but can’t catch Osama bin Laden.

They will do anything to put off the day of reckoning (until after the Rapture, I suppose).

And in the end, the only cost is America’s reputation in the world and our civil liberties.

  • McCain’s getting almost as good at waffling as the past master, Arlen Specter. And, like Specter, previous flip-flops do nothing to dampen the press’ ardor for him.

    I figure the United States I grew up in died with the election of the actor-chamelon, Ronald Reagan, who could mouth words just like Demosthenes even though brain-dead. This is all just post-glow comedy, like the little dramas that played out after the Titanic became critically full of sea water and snapped in two.

  • It’s time for the Democrats to offer an amendment to the bill in order to protect any U.S. citizen from being declared an unlawful combatant. A U.S. citizen could be charged with treason, but they must have the “full due process” accorded them by the law, the U.S. Constitution, and the domestic judicial system. Anything less is un-American!

    Sen. Lindsey Graham are you listening?

  • Do the Democrats plan to filibuster this bill? Has anyone heard?

    What?

    Come down hard on torture and risk appearing soft on terror?

    What would the sheeple think?

  • PJIN – No, I haven’t heard of any Democrat say anything other than giving undue respect to Mr. turncoat McCain and Mr. flipflop Specter. And don’t blame the media now, they won’t change unless at least ONE Dem has the guts to challenge the conventional wisdom and stand up for themselves against these guys.

    In fact, the only person who ever hinted at filibustering (in favor of the Duncan Hunter position) is… I s*&^ you not…. Mr. Up-or-down Frist !!! How’s that for ‘tortured’ logic?!

    Democrats, you are truly spineless. Go for the filibuster, and go for it NOW.

    Also, LOCK DOWN the Senate unless the NIE is declassified.

  • The Bushies accuse us of being in a pre-9-11 mindset.

    Feingold rightly accused the Bushies of being in a pre-1776 mindset.

    But if the Bush’s Magna Carta Reversal act passes, I would say ALL of us are in a pre-1215 mindset.

  • this is, without any shred of doubt whatsoever, absolutely rife with evidences that the United States is slowly being pushed down the path to fascism. Consider the possibilities:

    ***the government could designate civilians as “unlawful enemy combatants***

    The last time I checked, it was a direct violations of the Geneva Conventions for a nation to engage in “agressive war” against civilians. Unilaterally designating civilians as “unlawful enemy compatants?” Three distinct definitions are needed here. What does “unlawful” mean? The laws of the United States are defensible only within the confines of the United States, not globally. What does “enemy” mean? By the vaguenesses of Herr Bush’s administration, this could be applied to anyone who refuses to agree with the policies of that administration. And, what does the term “combatant” indicate? Are we to contemplate the possibility that voicing ones’ opinion, as guaranteed through the Constitution, is now a form of “combat?”

    ***anyone who “has engaged in hostilities or who has purposefully and materially supported hostilities against the United States” or its military allies.***

    Again, a clear definition for the term “hostilities” is needed here. However, the most urgent issue is how Herr Bush wishes to define “purposefully and materially supported” those hostilities. Voicing one’s opposition has been employed by Herr Cheney alone more times than I can remember as “supporting the enemy.” If a “purposefully-intentional” verbal opposition to the criminalities of the White House is deemed to be such, then what of the individual who chooses to vote against these thugs and their lapdogs on November 7th? Will sending money to a candidate who opposes this administration’s policies be deemed “materially supposting” the enemy? Will buying dinner for a friend visiting from Canada, who thinks that Tony Blair is a doofus, be a surreptitious form of aiding an enemy of US military ally?

    Further—in not designation a difference between US citizens and foreign combatants, the actions of Herr Bush clearly violate the Constitution, and represent an overt act of War against the People of the United States.

    If these things should come to pass; if these events, coupled with the erasure of Habeus Corpus as guaranteed by the Laws of the United States are permitted to become the “new law of the land—then it is my humble opinion that the United States will have finally taken that “momentous step” from Democracy to dictatorship—and the only question remaining will be:

    Will the People lie down and submit—or will they rise up and fight?

    For once the Rights are stripped from the People, no amount of “talk” will bring those Rights back. It will, with very little doubt, become time to “walk the walk”—and once ‘the walk’ begins, there can be no turning back until it is completed.

    At this moment in time, one can only hope that common sense is able to prevail, if an event many times more terrible than the current affairs in Iraq are to be avoided….

  • Steve,
    My concerns exactly. With the removal of habeas corpus for US citizens, then the government is free to imprison anyone for any reason or for no reason or out of malice. We lose our citizenship, or are at least no better than foreigners in terms of rights.

    But common sense will not prevail because what person with power would turn down the opportunity for more power? After reading a history of the Russian Revolution, the parallels with our present condition are so similar that it is truly disturbing. The GOP is the modern-day Bolshevik party. The lesson I get from this is that incompetence, thuggishness, personal cowardice among the leaders, hypocrisy, corruption, lawlessness–none of that is a sure barrier to acquiring a dictatorship. The Bolsheviks proved that what is needed is superior organization relative to an opposition that is disunited in purpose and blind to the danger. And opportunism. The Republicans are all that, and the Democrats are disunited and blind.

  • Attack, attack, attack. Why do Bush and Cheney want to DESTROY the Constitution? Why does Republican Sen. or Rep. _________want to help them?

    Again, and again, and again.
    It’s really hard.

  • Let me get this straight. They want to hold those who “purposefully and materially supported hostilities against the United States”. These are the same people that say that criticism of the President emboldens the terrorists. And this bill puts all the power of deciding who support terrorists in the hands of the president, with no checks on that power from any other branch of government. Who’s to say he can’t put us all in prison? And what recourse would we have if decides to exercise that power?

    These are very scary times….

  • I think the Democrats are actually being smart here- This bill would pass regardless of what they did, so just let it pass. Hell, I think that the ACLU, among others, will probably break a few legs rushing down to the courthouse to challenge it…

    The law has roughly a zero chance of ever being useful, because it will be declared unconstitutional (at which point Dubya will continue to do what he always does- whatever he wants to).

    It was set-up as a trap for the Democrats, making an extreme law which would be so odious as to ‘force’ them to oppose it… Good ol’ Reid aint walking into this trap.

  • If there was ever a rainy day to break out the filibuster, this is it. Even on the slight chance this doesn’t pass before Congress adjourns, it will be passed quickly and quietly before the end of the year while Republicans have a majority in both chambers.

    Filibuster. Filibuster. Filibuster. And damn the consequences. Democrats shouldn’t be willing to hand these sociopathic degenerates a blank check to jail and torture at their discretion.

    The fact this administration and the Republican Party smears any dissent as giving “aid and comfort to the enemy” should give everyone serious pause. The choices here couldn’t be any clearer.

  • The law has roughly a zero chance of ever being useful,…

    I disagree. The entire point of this law may well be to give legality to crushing dissent. The notion about torture and detainees could well be no more than distraction from the law’s true purpose. With this law, elections could then be rendered moot as the opposition candidates are branded traitors and “disappear.” The ACLU “fanatics” would be the ones going into the trap, as would any judge who would dare to question the legality of the law. The only bright spot is that I’m unaware of any organized “muscle” for the GOP–no Red Guard or Sturmabteilungen to do the intimidation. But I’m sure your local police will do nicely, and they are well armed.

    CB, if this law passes then I’d suggest you close the blog down or move very close to Canada. All that’s needed for the final step to open dictatorship is for this law to pass and the GOP to show that it has the nerve to exploit the law to the full.

  • I think that, if ever there were a time to don our tinfoil hats, now is it. We may have no window of opportunity left before this blog and every other outlet of dissent is shut down forever (and “lefties” start disappearing). The train has already left the station and it will take all of our collective might to stop it.

    If the representatives we were giving these powers to were anyone other than George W. Bush, Dick Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld, I might leave mine on the hat rack. But look who we are dealing with! We’re giving the unprecedentedly devious unprecedented powers!

    At the very least, legislation of this kind will have a chilling effect on the more lukewarm voters who would otherwise cast their ballots for sanity. In fact, I was just discussing with a co-worker, my concerns over registering to vote within my employer’s walls. It might be paranoid but I’m not the only one getting a little nervous. How many others will crumble in fear and either vote Republican or note vote at all?

  • I strongly disagree on the need for an outright filibuster.

    The Democrats should introduce an amendment to the bill that would protect all U.S. citizens from being deemed arbitrarily an unlawful combatant. If Republicans resist the amendment, then the Democrats should make a stink that a president–any president–could act like a dictator and suspend the rights of any citizen that he didn’t like. The argument that underpins such as amendment is that any citizen that acted as a enemy of the state should be charge and tried (due process) under our treason laws.

  • The ChickenShit in Chief’s definition makes the fight against terrorism even more of a joke. By loosening the definition of E.C. he’s increased the number of people who can be arrested and held forever. You also have to train people to question the prisoners and increase your risk of some one sadist getting carried away with the rubber hose. As a way to fight terrorism it doesn’t make much sense at all.

    Here’s what makes more sense:

    Say you’re a sniveling coward who gets his kicks from the pain of others. A horrible event occurs that frightens you so badly you drop your copy of My Pet Goat on your foot. The event was orchestrated and carried out by people who share certain traits or beliefs.

    You decide the world could do without this group of people because they scared you. And let’s say you’ve learned a little from history so you don’t want to be too obvious about it. But you’ve got to reduce the risk that the scary guys will get you. And as an added bonus you can engage in some vicarious sadism.

    You cobble together an excuse: Fighting Terrorism, Defending Democracy and other grand sounding stuff. You create a program that allows you to send anyone who reminds of the bad guys to prison. You’ve taken away the prisoners’ rights so they can’t get out. You might even encourage your minions to get rid of any paper work that shows the prisoners existed. Thanks to your new law you can grab the prisoners’ family and friends, at least until you determine they haven’t been helping the “bad guy.” They don’t have any rights either. You send them far away and you don’t have to bring them back until you’re ready. And the best part is, you got other people to agree to your little pogram so you know you won’t be lonely in hell.

    That makes more sense. If you’re a power-crazed, coke-addled idiot dickhead.

  • According to the “compromises” this weekend, George Bush could now wiretap John Kerry, decide that he “materially supports” terrorists, have him “disappeared” with no rights of habeas corpus, of challenging in court his arrest, without telling him what he was arrested for, give him no day in court unless they wanted to execute him, and torture him for the rest of his life.

    They came for the brown man and I wasn’t brown so I didn’t protest…

  • The Democrats should introduce an amendment to the bill that would protect all U.S. citizens from being deemed arbitrarily an unlawful combatant.

    The problem with this approach is that give tacit approval to the imprisonment and torture of non-citizens on the flimisiest of pretenses. Even without this “tweaking,” this piece of legislation is completely unacceptable because it makes torture acceptable and denies basic rights to “alleged” terrorists.

    U.S. citizen or not, torture is not acceptable. Indiscriminate jailings and trials based upon “secret” evidence are not acceptable. Discarding the widely accepted international standards of the treatment of POWs and detainees “because we can” is not acceptable. Suggesting U.S. citizens be protected, but denying equal protection under the law to non-citizens is not acceptable.

    You either believe in the rule of law and upholding the U.S. Constitution, or you don’t . For Democrats, there can be no compromise on these issues.

  • ***I think the Democrats are actually being smart here- This bill would pass regardless of what they did, so just let it pass.***
    —————-Castor Troy.

    Sitting back on their haunches like fuzzy little pink bunnies and allowing this to pass would be the modern-day equivalent of Colonial Americans thinking that, since the King was going to put down the rebellion, they might as well let it happen sooner by turning in all the Founding Fathers to the British Army. The bill, in bacoming law, would theoretically provide the Executive branch of our nation’s government with the nightmare-scenario of “blank-slate” law: The only law is that which he writes upon the blank slate. Habeus Corpus necessitates that the burden of proof in any accusation belongs to the accuser, and that the accusee has the right to confront that evidence, and challenge it. To remove HC from the books is to grant this criminal administration the inherent right to take someone against their will, deny them the right to confront evidence against them, and punish them in any manner deemed fitting by the administration. Bluntly put—“You’re guilty until proven innocent, and we deny you the right to prove that innocence. Therefore—you must be guilty.”

    This bill must be fought every step of the way—and, should it pass regardless of the legislative effort, it must be fought in the courts—after which, if the need to fight still exists—it must be fought through the ballot box.

    However, if in the end, this bill remains in force, it may well become the prerogative to take the fight into the streets; into the classrooms; into the very fields of Valor itself, so that the serpentine evil that is this administration faces the ultimate wrath of a righteously-indignant People….

  • The Dem leadership is like Casey at the bat, only they’re not going down swinging they’re waiting and waiting and waiting and they’ll go down waiting.

  • brainiac,

    The real question is: Would Republicans accept any amendment to the bill? If they didn’t accept any amendment, it would reveal their fascist tendencies to the public.

    I understand the larger issues of rights, due process and torture. But, you’re telling me that the Republicans are willing to say that they won’t protect the civil liberties of all U.S. citizens.

  • Dale – you said it. We will now have vague definitions of “supporting” and all the other language that they’re trying to add, the elimination of habeas corpus and people being tried without being allowed to see the evidence presented against them.

    It’s almost kind of amazing to watch as this all unfolds.

    Maybe George Lucas had it right:

    “So this is how liberty dies….to thunderous applause.”

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