Going down swinging, in the wrong direction

Following up on the last item, the Clinton campaign has a variety of reasons for hanging around and keeping the Democratic race going, some more compelling than others. In the meantime, though, the campaign’s worst arguments do little to build up goodwill within the party.

If I’m not mistaken Terry McAuliffe just announced two new goalposts.

1. Hillary has gotten more votes and delegates since March 4th.

2. Hillary has gotten more votes in a nomination race than anyone in history. “Hillary Clinton has now received more votes than any candidate ever running for president in a primary.”

It’s true; he really did, on Fox News no less:

There’s just no reason for this. Superdelegates are generally going to be sophisticated enough to dismiss this as nonsense, and rank-and-file Dems in the three remaining primaries (Puerto Rico, Montana, and South Dakota) are unlikely to be moved by the arguments.

All McAuliffe is doing with efforts like these is undermining the campaign’s credibility and tarnishing its name. The focus, it seems to me, should be on going out on a high note, and McAuliffe is making that harder, not easier.

On the first new goalpost, McAuliffe is probably right. Since March 4, there have only been five contests. Clinton won three (Kentucky, West Virginia, and Indiana); Obama won two (Oregon and North Carolina). I haven’t run the numbers, but if McAuliffe believes Clinton has won more votes and pledged delegates in these five primaries, I’m certainly willing to give him the benefit of the doubt.

I don’t, however, have the foggiest idea why this matters. Why are these five contests more significant than the 50 or so primaries and caucuses before March 4? (For that matter, this newly-discovered metric appears to exclude superdelegates from the equation altogether, many of whom have moved to Obama in recent weeks.)

On the second new goalpost, history is a funny thing. There are more Americans than ever before, and this is the longest primary fight (which means more voters have participated). But that doesn’t much matter — FDR got 27 million votes in 1940, while George McGovern got 29 million in 1972. Does this make McGovern’s performance impressive?

Even the effort to count popular votes in this primary is a fool’s errand. As Josh noted:

Even if you change the rules and fully seat Michigan and Florida and count them for the popular vote totals and don’t count any portion of the Michigan “uncommitted” (which were understood to be for Obama) vote for Obama, Hillary is still behind in the popular vote total. The only way she moves ahead in popular vote is if you do all that and don’t count four of the caucus states.

Some stuff is just too ridiculous to let pass.

I don’t mention this to pile on, but rather because it seems McAuliffe’s argument is so counterproductive. Atrios noted, “[I]t isn’t trivial and it’s destroying the respect I once had for a group of people. It’s weird, really, having in some sense started my political life defending the Clintons and now being rather fed up with them. I’m not important, but I’m not alone.”

It’s more than just foolish rhetoric from an overeager campaign cheerleader. As Scott Lemieux noted, arguments like McAuliffe’s “undermine the legitimacy of the Democratic nominee.”

If there was any significant chance that she could win, that might be acceptable. If she even had a credible argument that she was ahead in the popular vote — one anyone would have accepted before the nomination, without knowing who it would benefit — that would be a different issue. But to send flacks to rile up other Democrats against Obama under these circumstances is a disgrace.

My sense is this will all be over soon, and the antics of various campaign spokespersons will probably be forgotten. But I also get the sense that McAuliffe’s efforts, among others, will leave many with an unpleasant taste in their mouths. When people look back on the Clinton campaign once the dust has settled, I suspect they’ll have wanted to do more to enhance the senator’s reputation and stature, and McAuliffe is doing the opposite.

You know how you think of something really stupid or completely without dignity that you did, remember it years later, and it still has the power to bring a hot flush of shame to your face?

Lot of people going to be experiencing that for the rest of their lives when they think of the outlandish arguments they made for Clinton getting this nomination. And no one will be a deeper scarlet than Terry McAuliffe.

  • I really think Hillary could have won the nomination with the certifiable idiots known as Terry McAulliffe and Mark Penn.

    And for the record, I would have voted for her in November if she did.

  • “Since March 4, there have only been five contests. Clinton won three (Kentucky, West Virginia, and Indiana); Obama won two (Oregon and North Carolina).”

    Pennsylvania?

  • Hangers-on like McAulliffe are among the primary reasons I did not want to see another Clinton elected. Its not the sexism, its the dynasty factor. If the top step is missing from Hillary’s ladder it is because of people like Terry M. and Bill Clinton who remind people of the worst traits of Clintonism.

  • Why are these five contests more significant than the 50 or so primaries and caucuses before March 4?

    Because it shows momentum. Even though Clinton faltered early and rallied too late to, y’know, win, she wants to convince the supers that if the race keeps going, she’s on the upswing.

    Which is somewhat at odds with the argument that Obama is hopelessly crippled for November. In other words, Clinton deserves the benefit of the doubt but Obama does not.

    You find the same inconsistency in how “count every vote” is applied to Michigan and Florida but not to caucus states.

  • McAuliffe, in this latest, reminds me of sports commenters, who will strain at parsecs to come up with some kind of bizarre statistic that supports whatever team or player they feel the love for at any given moment. “Remember, Rod, this is a team that has won 5 of its last 9 games, if you go back to last season and don’t count the playoffs, which you really shouldn’t, because Coach Hambone made some very poor decisions about who was going to quarterback in those games…” I can’t count the number of times I’ve heard or read some expert idiot say or type something similar. Who would ever have thought that America’s leading manufactured product from the 1990s onward would be bullshit? Or that so many would make so much money shilling it to the rest of us full time?

    Speaking only for myself, I’ve gone from being a huge admirer of Hillary Clinton’s (back in the 1990s), somebody who actually wanted to see her become President, to feeling little but dislike and distaste on a deeply personal level for her. I can’t remember where I read it (probably here, actually) but some reasonably wise pundit recently opined that if HRC were the nominee, and she had just gotten hit with the same ‘appeasement’ attack as BHO did, she’d have shot back hard with another one of her “I am not a Chamberlain, I recognize the Hitlers of our time and I will not negotiate with them, I will obliterate them” responses… something designed to show that her strap on is just as big as any of the boys’ natural equipment, and hers can vibrate and spit grenades, too.
    Rather than championing a more intelligent and nuanced approach to complex matters of foreign policy, as BHO has.

    And it’s not that I really think HRC isn’t capable of being intelligent with this stuff, it’s just that she honestly feels she can’t campaign that way. She’s adopted the entire Bush/Rove strategy — assume the voters you really need to sway are unbelievably stupid, and that to get them on your side, you have to show them you’re exactly the same way.

    BHO does much the same thing when he panders to his religious base, but I can grit my teeth and accept that he really needs to do that to have a hope of getting elected… he really does need those votes, and more, he desperately needs to offset the whole ‘stealth Muslim’ meme. So I get that, even though I hate it. But at least he’s not trying to convince me that he’s a shotgun totin’ whiskey snortin’ good ol’ boy just like all the other Appalachian rednecks. If he were, I’d be as disgusted with him as I am with HRC, and for the same reason… when you cultivate the Kallikaks and Jukes by insulting your own intelligence, you insult mine, too.

  • Since March 4, there have only been five contests.

    Actually there were eight. Twelve if you count the March 4 primaries. And March 4 marks the beginning of the Operation Chaos, for what it’s worth.

  • Tee-hee. I was hoping Pennsylvania would come around– although it happened much faster than I would have predicted.

    The latest polls have Obama beating McCain in PA, 45-41. That’s a pretty good starting place, I expect to see that shift even more in Obama’s direction between now and November.

  • Also Guam (5/3), Mississippi (3/11), and Wyoming (3/8). Adding up the vote totals on RealClearPolitics, it appears that Clinton is ahead by a little under 200,000 votes in the post-March 4 contests. I didn’t bother adding the delegates but it seems safe to assume she’s ahead there as well.

  • It’s not just McAuliffe who’s pushing the line about Clinton having received the most votes — it’s Clinton herself. She said it in her victory speech last night in Louisville: “This is one of the closest races for a party’s nomination in modern history. We’re winning the popular vote…” I’m happy the commentator on the 11pm tv news that I watched pointed out the questionable assumptions behind this conclusion.
    I understand the argument that Clinton does good for the Democratic Party in the November election by staying in the race because otherwise her loyal supporters might remain so aliented from Obama’s candidacy that they would not vote for him. But her words undercut this argument, because it fuels the notion that her right to the nomination was somehow stolen from her, through arcane rules about delegates and such. She and her supporters should stop using this line, as well as stop asserting that only sexism, not racism, played a role in the primary campaign and the media’s coverage of them.

  • Grumpy (5): Because it shows momentum
    JRD (9): Clinton is ahead by a little under 200,000 votes in the post-March 4 contests

    Jed’s Report claims to have “done the math” and concludes based on exit polls that in the last month alone 362,000 voted for Clinton, but would vote for McCain in the GE, even if Clinton wins the nomination.

  • I live in NYC. I voted for Hillary in The Primary. If I could take back my vote I would. It has reached the point that Democrats in NY should be threatening her witha real primary if she runs for re-election to the senate. Its time for her people to shut up and get out.

  • It’s more than just foolish rhetoric from an overeager campaign cheerleader. As Scott Lemieux noted, arguments like McAuliffe’s “undermine the legitimacy of the Democratic nominee.”

    McCuliffe is much more desperate than Sen. Clinton. He knows that as soon as her campaign ends, he will have zero influence in the Democratic Party. He is afraid he will have to find a real job.

  • Terry McAuliffe blew our chances in 2004 as DNC chair. He was a total failure for the party, up and down the ticket.

    I’m glad Democrats ignored his spin in 2008. Kudos to rank and file Democrats.

    HOWEVER, do watch his comedy videos by all means – like his “douche-off” with Chris Mathews for example.

  • Awwww, give my favorite little minidicked pinstriped Democratic pimp a break – the poor litte fuckwit is all upset he won’t be getting his percentage, pimping out the Lincoln Bedroom for the Clinton pajama parties if he can’t get Mrs. Billy-J elected.

    Beyond that, the whole Clinton campaign is now a little yappy miniature terrier – you don’t have to kick it for yapping, just pick it up and put it in its little bed and give it a chew toy.

  • With a crack team of experts like McAuliffe, Penn, and Ferraro, how did Hillary go wrong? I think her inability to manage a simple campaign speaks to her inability to manage the country. She’s fallen into the Bush trap of rewarding loyal sycophants over a competent and effective staff.

    This latest drivel from McAuliffe is just more of the same we’ve been complaining about for two months. In March it was disingenuous; today it’s just desperate. The passage CB chose from Atrios says it best.

  • McCow-lips is pandering for a job with Phony News by enamoring his philosophical dominatrix, Mistress McClinton—and they both sound like a “generic beer” versions of McCorpse. That “McC*” thing might suggest an increased genetic propensity towards insanity….

  • “Clinton is ahead by a little under 200,000 votes in the post-March 4 contests.
    –JRD”

    And yet Obama is still up by nearly half a million votes (not counting FL and MI, nor caucus states).

    Hell, if you seat FL, Obama is up by 257,000ish.

    If you count FL and remove the caucus states, Obama is still up by 146,000ish.

    The only way Clinton comes out ahead is if Michigan is counted. Which is stupid since, you know, Obama’s name wasn’t even on the fucking ballot.

    So this whole horseshit game of deciding what votes count and what votes don’t is nothing more than yet another changing of the rules by the Clinton camp.

    It’s like a basketball team bragging about outscoring it’s opponent by 30 points in the fourth quarter, even though the team still lost by 20 — it’s nothing but an attempt to find a silver lining on a great big cloud of turds.

    If she stays in and just does her thing, fine. She can exit on her own terms. But crap like this spin from McDumbass really isn’t helping.

  • FWIW, I’ve been ignoring Clinton’s recent victories mainly by writing them off as a product of racism. Cracker votes don’t count, it seems.

  • McAuliffe is as smarmy as the Clinton’s themselves. The “no-college” voters in the Clinton states may believe this crap but the rest of the country doesn’t. All spin all the time…..

  • Hillary has had a lot of “false” victories. I heard Nora O’Donell say on MSNBC, based on the exit polling data, that a lot of these voters in W. Virginia, Kentucky and Pennsylvania were conservatives and did not plan to vote for Hillary in the General. Is this part of Rush Limbaugh’s “operation chaos”?

  • As Scott Lemieux noted, arguments like McAuliffe’s “undermine the legitimacy of the Democratic nominee.”

    To her disgrace, undermining the legitimacy of the Democratic nominee, Obama, is precisely the reason that Senator Clinton will not concede until after the votes are cast at the convention in August (yes, she will continue to go on television to make her “case” throughout the summer).

    Clinton is the proverbial albatross around our country’s proverbial neck.

  • FYI — It wasn’t just Terry McAuliffe who made the silly popular vote argument. Hillary repeated the same lie in her “victory” speech last night. It is she who is seeking to “undermine the legitimacy of the Democratic nominee.” Of course, her trip to Florida is a continuation of this strategy.

    Her disregard for the well-being of the party and, more importantly, the country is truly shameful.

  • Sure, it’s disgraceful, but consider it in context:

    She’s said McCain is qualified and Obama is not.
    She’s played up racism throughout the campaign.
    She’s been repeatedly demeaning to Obama personally.
    She lied over and over to steal Michigan.

    This electoral math bullshit is just another piece in the puzzle. And a comparatively small one.

  • It’s the same m.o. that Bush Inc. use: say anything, no matter how big a lie. If the lie is told with bluster and self righteous conviction it becomes truth and the rest of us are naive and unamerican for not getting on our knees and greatfully sucking down the shit they pour down our throats.

  • Here’s what I don’t understand: Why is anyone listening to these people anymore? The Clinton camp has achieved a level of credibility that approaches that of Lyndon LaRouche. The crap they’re spouting is ridiculous. And everyone knows it’s ridiculous. So what’s the point anymore in even pretending to take it seriously?

  • This electoral math bullshit is just another piece in the puzzle. And a comparatively small one.

    Yep. She’s now down to dumpster diving for hanging chads.

    I heard Pat Buchanan say something hilarious the other day: When asked where Hillary went wrong he said, “She moved to NY instead of Illinois”.

  • The popular vote (which Clinton DOES NOT have anyway) doesn’t determine who gets the nomination, only the total number of delegates. This is true whether or not FL and MI eventually gets counted in any of the various combinations. Take a look at the attached scenarios. The bottom line is that Hillary cannot win mathematically.

    As a Florida voter, I don’t think either Florida or Michigan’s delegates should be seated. The rules were broken, and any after-the-fact deal will only encourage more rule-breaking in the future. Secondly, no matter who winds up as the Democratic nominee, Florida will stay red. This state is controlled by the Republicans on all levels, and they will do whatever it takes (and I do mean ANYTHING) to keep the state in the Red column.

  • As others have predicted, Hillary will not end her campaign in June. She will fight throughout the summer to have the credentials committee give Michigan and Florida all of their delegates and distribute them based on the “election” results. If the May 31 decision is anything but (e.g. distribute half the delegates based on results or all delegates are split 50/50), then she’ll appeal the decision at the convention.

    Even if she gets the decision she wants on May 31 (she won’t), she’ll continue to fight through the summer with the false claims that she won the most popular votes, the most electoral votes, the most elections since March 4, the most Appalachian voters or any other b.s. she can come up with.

    Whether she’ll continue to make an ass out of herself all the way to the convention is in little doubt. The question is whether she’ll continue to make an ass out of herself after the convention.

    I predict…yes. She’s morphed into Zell Rodham Lieberman.

  • The good news is I think a lot of HRC supporters are beginning to see what most of us saw a couple of months ago. She is making it very easy for D’s to come together against her and the few die hard supports she has left are a lost cause anyways. I wonder how much influence Rush really had on this primary. Does anyone else think he has some pretty deep operatives really doing a number on the party ?

    I could not agree more with this statement.
    “[I]t isn’t trivial and it’s destroying the respect I once had for a group of people. It’s weird, really, having in some sense started my political life defending the Clintons and now being rather fed up with them. I’m not important, but I’m not alone.” – Atrios

  • Anyone else think McAsshole might have undermined Kerry in 2004? It’s pretty clear that he’s an America-for-Clintons loyalist first, and a Democrat at some subsequent point if at all.

    He’s Vince McMahon of professional wrestling, but with less brains and charm.

  • Why does HRC remind me of the Japanese soldier found living in a cave on some remote South Pacific island in 1974 who didn’t know the war had ended decades earlier…

  • Somewhat ironically, HRC has actually improved her head-to-head performance vs. McCain in some states. According to fivethirtyeight.com, she would be favored over McCain in the general election.

    There is an obvious reason for this. Obama supporters who may have said they would not vote for HRC a month ago now see no need to make their Democratic rival look as weak as possible, so they tell the pollsters what they would have done all along. HRC’s supporters, on the other hand, haven’t received the memo that the primary contest is over for all intents and purposes, so they continue to tell the pollsters that the other Democrat is unacceptable to them. In other words,
    Obama should expect a bounce when (and if) HRC concedes.

  • Here’s what I don’t understand: Why is anyone listening to these people anymore? -George Colombo

    I believe that is a function of her last name. I can only imagine what it would be like should their standings in this primary be reversed. Despite her followers insistence that the media has been so very hard on poor widdle Hillary, it is the only reason she’s still in this at all.

  • Here’s what kos has to say about this “we’re winning the popular vote” crap:

    One of the wonders of this primary season has been the ability of the Clinton campaign — including Hillary herself — and their supporters to engage in some of the most patently ridiculous and bald faced lies, knowing that everyone else knows they are engaging in patently ridiculous and bald faced lies.

    Chief among those lies is the fiction that Clinton leads in the popular vote.

    Aside from the idiocy of the argument itself — 1) this is a delegate race, and 2) unlike the 2000 presidential election, you can’t compare the popular vote from contest to contest since each state has different rules (caucus or primaries, open, closed, or hybrid — the way the Clinton campaign and its supporters shamelessly stretch this argument is almost embarrassing.

    Clinton is “leading” the meaningless popular vote, but only if:

    1. You count the unsanctioned contests in Florida and Michigan, where candidates were not allowed to campaign;

    2. You give Obama zero votes in Michigan’s Soviet-style election, where Clinton was essentially the only name on the ballot; and

    3. You don’t count the caucuses in Iowa, Nevada, Maine, and Washington.

    In reality, Obama leads by over half a million votes, for whatever that’s worth (not much). But don’t worry, the Clinton argument is so asinine, it has gotten little traction among super delegates.

    In fact, it’s so insulting to people’s intelligence, that it’s hurting the credibility of anyone stupid enough to use it.

  • Following up on Kos’ remarks…

    Clinton’s goal with this popular vote nonsense is not to persuade the supers. She knows that they know better.

    As previously stated, this popular vote lie is specifically intended to “undermine the legitimacy of the Democratic nominee” (i.e. Obama).

    Despicable.

  • Terry must be one of those non-college educated white guys who’s sucking at the FOX teet. That’s the only group of head-nodding mouth breathers that will listen to him.

    Obviously he can’t count. Obama leads delegates and superdelegates OVERALL. Microfictionalizing a few states and inflating their numbers is BS.
    Guess he’s picking up a few tricks.

  • Terry McAuliffe… Years ago, when he was the DNC chair, I got a piece of mail from them. The usual begging letter, with a form attached, a return envelope (please put a stamp to help us save money) and a questionnaire, asking my opinion on several issues. So I spent half an hour or so filling out the questionnaire, wrote the check (for the smallest amount suggested — all I could afford), and proceeded to stuff the check, the form and the questionnaire into the return envelope.

    And, what do you know? The questionnaire wouldn’t fit; the return envelope was sized to accept only the check and the form. To me, the implications were quite plain: DNC couldn’t care less about my concerns; the questionnaire was bogus, to make me think they did. The only thing they they cared about was my money. Additionally, it was evident, that they weren’t going to use my money wisely, either; the printing of the fake questionnaire was proof of that, since it had had to cost something in printing, in paper, in mailing costs…

    I have this — admittedly illogical — dislike of being played for a sucker. So, I wrote VOID all over the check, put the check and the form in the envelope and sent those off. Never again did I give money to DNC, until Dean took over and rolled out his 50-state strategy. And, ever since that time, I’ve suffered from a deep distrust of people associated with Terry McAuliffe and of their motivation. What I’ve seen of Hillary and her campaign in the past 3-4 months has only confirmed that distrust.

    We had a song, in Poland, when I was a teenager. Roughly translated, its refrain went: “*This* stupid I am not. Stupid, maybe. But not to *this* extent”. Obama, unlike Hillary, gave me the benefit of the doubt and did not assume that I was *this* stupid…

  • Libra said, “I have this — admittedly illogical — dislike of being played for a sucker.

    Hear hear. This sentiment also sums up the source of my distaste for Senator Clinton. She’s continually playing us for suckers.

  • And vice versa, Maria @42. I like strong-minded, independent-thinking women, especially those who can express themselves with both fluency and clarity, the way you do. All my friends, from teens on (once I accepted the fact that I’d never actually *become* a boy) were in that category, as was my Mother.

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