Goodbye Murtha plan, hello repealing ’02 resolution

John Murtha’s “readiness strategy,” which would insist that only troops with adequate training and equipment be sent to Iraq, seems to be losing favor with enough Democratic lawmakers that passage seems unlikely.

House Democrats have pulled back from efforts to link additional funding for the war to strict troop-readiness standards after the proposal came under withering fire from Republicans and from their party’s own moderates. That strategy was championed by Rep. John P. Murtha (D-Pa.) and endorsed by House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.).

“If you strictly limit a commander’s ability to rotate troops in and out of Iraq, that kind of inflexibility could put some missions and some troops at risk,” said Rep. Chet Edwards (D-Tex.), who personally lodged his concerns with Murtha. […]

“Congress has no business micromanaging a war, cutting off funding or even conditioning those funds,” said Rep. Jim Cooper (Tenn.), a leading Democratic moderate, who called Murtha’s whole effort “clumsy.”

House Dems are still eyeing the $100 billion war-spending bill that the president ultimately must sign to keep the war effort on track, but Murtha’s proposals may not have the necessary support. The WaPo noted that the spending measure may offer the White House a “waiver” so that Bush could deploy troops who are not fully combat-ready, but the president would have to “publicly acknowledge that he is deploying troops with less than a year’s rest from combat, that he is extending combat tours of troops in Iraq, or that he is sending units into battle without full training in counterinsurgency or urban warfare.”

That would be embarrassing for the Bush gang, and it might be a helpful admission, but it doesn’t address the real problem. The war would continue, escalation would be uninterrupted, and nothing of substance would change.

As John Kerry said yesterday, “I’ve had enough of ‘nonbinding.'” What does he have in mind? Kerry and some other top Senate Dems, including Biden and Levin, are targeting the original 2002 resolution that gave Bush a green light to pursue a war in the first place.

The Politico had a pretty thorough report on the plan, which basically would scrap the old AUMF and create a new resolution that would pull out combat troops starting in March 2008.

Senate Democrats are backing a pullout of U.S. combat troops from Iraq by the end of March, 2008 — a deadline similar to that recommended recently by the bipartisan Iraq Study Group, according to Democratic insiders.

The March 31, 2008, deadline is included in a new authorization resolution for the U.S. military campaign in Iraq, where President Bush plans to send another 21,500 U.S. troops to help quell the violence there.

The resolution is being drafted by Democratic Sens. Joseph R. Biden Jr. of Delaware and Carl Levin of Michigan, chairmen of the Senate Foreign Relations and Armed Services committees. The pair is working closely with Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., in crafting their proposal, which they plan to unveil early next week.

The new resolution would restrict U. S. military efforts in Iraq to training and logistical support for the Iraqi army, counter-terrorism operations and securing the Iraqi borders, especially with Iran and Syria, said the Democratic insiders, who would speak only on the condition of anonymity as the drafting proceeds.

“We gave the president that power to destroy Iraq’s weapons of mass destruction and, if necessary, to depose Saddam Hussein,” Biden said of the 2002 resolution in a speech last week before the Brookings Institution. “The WMD was not there. Saddam Hussein is no longer there. The 2002 authorization is no longer relevant to the situation in Iraq.”

So, is it a good plan? I guess so, though it seems to be an entirely defensive exercise, designed to rebut inevitable charges. It doesn’t affect funding, so Republicans can’t attack and Lieberman shouldn’t jump. It doesn’t “micromanage,” so that takes another far-right talking point off the table. It’s not a “precipitous” withdrawal, so it should maintain strong public support. What’s more, since Dems will no doubt be looking for some kind of cover, they can point to the Iraq Study Group to bolster support, since it was the ISG that targeted March 2008 in its report.

This is about setting a deadline, which many of us have been advocating for a longtime. Can it garner some GOP votes? Will Dems stick together on this? Stay tuned.

I think the Post had a typo. The sentence should read:

“‘Congress has no business micromanaging a war, cutting off funding or even conditioning those funds,’ said Rep. Jim Cooper (Tenn.), a gutless Democratic motherfucker, who called Murtha’s whole effort ‘clumsy.'”

Has Cooper *read* the Constitution? There’s a little thing called Article I, Section 8, which says something Jim Cooper doesn’t seem to be familiar with: “The Congress shall have the power to declare war… to raise and support armies…”

Unless, of course, he’s happier trusting Bush with the power that’s rightfully his, and his colleagues’. Great idea, Jim. How’s that worked out for you so far?

  • Why can’t they do both? I like Murtha’s plan, putting troops in the field without proper equipment and training should be an impeachable offense, the least Congress can do is make sure the administration can’t continue this criminally negligent mismanagement of our soldiers’ lives.

  • So, is it a good plan?……..It doesn’t “micromanage”, so that takes another far-right talking point off the table.

    Wha???

    Please realize that the Repubs are going to claim that ANY interference by Congress involving Presidential decisions regarding this war will be considered micro managing….

    Kristol stated their position the best when he said “Congress should just shut up for 6-9 months and let the Presidents plan work”

    Dems are in a real bind here and w/o some sort of bold action either way (I really like the Murtha Plan) they are going to appear ineffectual which plays right into the Republicans hands…..

  • hey, next elections the spineless democrats can be voted out of office along with the rest of the stupid republicans. maybe then they’ll listen to what americans are really saying.

  • FINALLY.

    You know what’s weird though: the moment Biden picks up on Ted Kennedy’s idea, all Dems fall in line. A month too late, but good nevertheless.

    It doesn’t “micromanage,” so that takes another far-right talking point off the table.

    You think the far-right uses sound logic like that? They will STILL accuse us of micromanaging the situation. The question is, WILL DEMS REBUT the false claims loud and clear?

  • not withstanding early Rethug and blue-dog attacks on it, I still prefer the politics of Murtha’s approach. I love putting the admin in the position of defending deployment of unequipped troops, of defending extended and unbroken tours of duty for National Guard units. I just think in the long run we get the much better part of that argument with real people back in their communities.

  • *All* potentially effective plans depend on Democrats realizing that Republicans are going to attack them *and* *reacting* by deciding they’d rather fight than get rolled.

    Any strategy that ignores that reality will fail.

    And any strategy worth executing will inspire Republican opposition. I wonder how many Democrats understand that. Cooper, Edwards, etc. sure don’t.

  • Yeah, unfortunately with having to drag the Southern albatross around with us (Chet Edwards, Jim Cooper, et al), nothing will be accomplished in the House and it won’t matter what Kerry, Biden and Levin do,since the Republican (Southern) traitors in the Senate will filibuster anything they do.

    We should have ethnically cleansed that swamp when we had the chance 143 years ago.

  • politically cleansed it – several hundred hangings of traitors would have straightened things out, starting with Robert E. Lee and working down through every Army general and elected official of the Confederacy.

  • I’m getting a little tired of pols ‘looking for cover’ when the troops on the ground have none. When the average Snuffy is working 24/7 in front of real bullets for $1,600/Mo is it too much to expect the pols to take some non-lethal risks to do the right thing for their $4,000/Wk??

  • Chris (#1) has it right: Article I, Section 8. This is not a war, declared or otherwise, and Commander Codpiece has no authority to do what he’s doing. All the Bush Crime Family has is the cowardice of our supposed representatives, abetted by the celebrity-dazzlement of our so-called press.

  • I’ve found Murtha’s efforts over the past couple years to be sort of close, but never worthy of the cigar. The Biden/Levin idea seems to make more sense, in that it would take back the authority Congress so trustingly gutlessly gave Bush in 2002. And, as others have noted, it sets terms for our involvement in Iraq that Congressional Dems and the American public favor.

    Biden/Levin has the added advantage of putting Repubs in the awkward place of stalling and obstructing a resolution with popular support in order to keep from admitting they have failed.

  • I still thnk Murtha’s plan holds merit, as it addresses issues that are trying to keep soldiers alive, and it shows that “supporting the troops” takes more than just putting a yellow ribbon magnet on your SUV.

    But repealing the “Gulf of Tonkin Resolution, redux” does sound enticing. Considering the main reason for the resolutions (“MUSHROOM CLOUDS OVER CLEVELAND!!!””SADDAM-OSAMA: BEST BUDS!!”) proved to be total bullshit, getting rid of it only makes sense.

  • For all who think a thorough plan get started immediately, and want to post ideas, go to http://www.setadeadline.com, and start mobilizing. Kerry/Feingold have advocated since June of last year, after discussing with military this is our best option and process.

    Harry Reid said a flurry of legilsation, so this may be just the first pass at smoking out a consensus. Kerry will take the opinion and numbers who posted to prove support. We should help him, and us.

    Health care costs for returning vets are estimated at $662 billion, with more surviving the battle and needing longtime care, which is never in the budget. More wounds and counting.

    And, yes, I agree we should have been more proactive draining that confederate swamp. I also think Texas should have been allowed to go its own way.

  • Tom Cleaver #11, I thought we were on the same side, but now you’re starting to sound like a radical Republican. I’m glad you aren’t for ethnic cleansing but wanting to hang Robert E. Lee and hundreds of others? Please do me a favor and look in to the reason Jefferson Davis was not hung. Why wasn’t he ever brought to trial and punished? He was held for almost two years in solitary confinement, and then released. How come? Could it have been that thanks to the Bill of Rights, martial law ended, the Constitution took over? Davis could not be tried in a kangaroo Military Court. ( Bush Military Commission Court) They would have to do it in a regular court where all the facts of the matter would be brought out. The prosecutors knew they would have a very hard case to prove, and if they lost, then the idea that the South had no right to secede would be proven false. Then what? They didn’t want any part of that. Supreme Court Chief Justice Salmon Chase got them out of that jam with the logic that since before the Civil War, Davis had been a member of the US Government, (US Rep, Senator) and with the recent passage of the 14th Amendment that forbade prior US Gov office holders that were part of the Confederate States Government from ever holding office again in the U.S. again, that it would be double jeopardy to try Davis for treason. The case was dropped, and Davis was released.

    Before Chase came to this conclusion, Pres. Johnson offered Davis a pardon which Davis refused. He wanted his day in court but, never got it.

    I use to believe the red, white, and blue version of the Civil War but, thanks to Bush, Iraq, Republicans, and some history books not found on federally subusidized campuses, I’ve got a new outlook on it.
    I’m not saying the South was right. Slavery was wrong for sure. Neither side was innocent. It was a stupid war caused by wealthy people on both sides. Wealthy people in the South didn’t want to pay
    high tariffs on imported goods, and wealthy people in the North most certainly wanted them too pay those tariffs.

  • I’d like to see both plans — Mutrha’s and Levin’s — put up for immediate discussion, since each has a different aim.

    Murtha’s plan is a stall, a slow down of the surge. In effect, it’s a “don’t let’s start a Children’s Crusade now; because the war is lost anyway”. Levin’s plan would allow us to talk about pulling out of the forces that are already there.

    And I’d like the pullout to *end* by March of ’08 please. If we don’tstart tillthen, it’s another 1000 Americans and who knows how many thousands of Iraqis lost to this sand-pit trap Bush has dragged us into.

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