Goodling speaks

The latest in a series of moments-we’ve-all-been-waiting-for in the purge scandal wrapped up yesterday afternoon, when former Justice Department official Monica Goodling testified before the House Judiciary Committee. Was the hearing informative? Did Goodling give up the goods? Did her testimony help or hurt Alberto Gonzales?

There’s quite a bit of new information here, so let’s break this up into areas of interest.

* Politicizing of Justice Department hiring practices — Goodling was surprisingly candid about applying partisan standards in employment practices at the DoJ.

“I may have gone too far in asking political questions of applicants for career positions,” the trembling young witness told the committee after securing immunity from prosecution for her testimony. “I may have taken inappropriate political considerations into account on some occasions.”

“Was that legal?” demanded Rep. Bobby Scott (D-Va.). Under the witness table, Goodling wrung her hands and rubbed her bracelet. She drew a deep breath. “I know I crossed the line,” she admitted. […]

How many job applicants did she block because of political leanings? “I wouldn’t be able to give you a number.” Did she ask aspiring civil servants whom they voted for? “I may have.” Did she screen applicants for career prosecutor jobs so that Republicans landed in those positions? “I think that I probably did.” How many times? “I don’t think that I could have done it more than 50 times, but I don’t know.” She further admitted that she “occasionally” researched career applicants’ political affiliations and checked their political donations.

Legally, this could all add up to a major Monica Problem for Goodling, who brought three high-priced lawyers with her to the hearing. “I intend to establish a legal defense fund at some point,” she told the committee.

What does this tell us? That the Justice Department routinely broke the law when it came to hiring employees, even for non-partisan career positions. Whether Goodling faces prosecution for having broken the law or not, this hardly reflects well on Gonzales. His Justice Department effectively operated as “a wholly owned subsidiary of the Republican National Committee.”

* Gonzales’ “coaching” — On April 19, Gonzales testified, under oath, that he had not spoken with “witnesses” in this scandal about the events because it would have been inappropriate. He told the Senate Judiciary Committee, “I haven’t talked to witnesses because of the fact that I haven’t wanted to interfere with this investigation and department investigations.” Apparently, he was lying.

During a meeting in March before she resigned, Ms. Goodling said, Mr. Gonzales asked her questions that left her uncomfortable. She thought he might be trying to compare recollections, so their stories would be consistent if they were questioned about their actions, she said. “I just thought maybe we shouldn’t have that conversation,” she said.

What does this tell us? Gonzales now has another problem to worry about. As Rep. Artur Davis (D-Ala.) put it, “It’s very clear that the attorney general was not fully accurate in his testimony. It was an inappropriate conversation on the attorney general’s own terms.”

* More Gonzales lies — Gonzales said in March he never attended any meetings about firing U.S. Attorneys, and never played a role in the decision making. Goodling pointed to at least one instance in which the opposite was true.

[U]nder questioning by Republican Elton Gallegly, she reconstructed a disturbing scene from the now-famous November 27 meeting about the firings in the AG’s conference room. “Somebody said, ‘I think I know why people are on this [termination] list, except for [Nevada Attorney] Daniel Bogden,'” she recounted. Goodling was aware of a couple of concerns she’d heard with Bogden, so she voiced them. She and Sampson “looked at the attorney general and said, ‘What do you want to do [about Bogden]?’ I think he nodded and said, ‘OK.'”

[H]e nodded and said “OK”? The episode doesn’t exactly instill confidence in anybody at the meeting, least of all the über-passive Gonzales. Goodling’s testimony only reinforced the growing impression that nobody knew what anybody else was doing in Justice’s top ranks, or why — and that nobody really cared about what they didn’t know, either.

* What happens next — The NYT editorial page says it’s time to move up the ladder.

Ms. Goodling admitted to politicizing the Justice Department in ways that certainly seem illegal; she made clear that Attorney General Alberto Gonzales lied at a critical point in the investigation; and she gave Congress all the reason it needs to compel Karl Rove and Harriet Miers, the former White House counsel, to testify about what they know. […]

Ms. Goodling said she did not know how prosecutors were added to the list of those to be fired. Kyle Sampson, Mr. Gonzales’s former chief of staff, and the keeper of the list, has said the same thing. So have Mr. Gonzales and Mr. McNulty. They may think that if no one owns up, the scandal will go away. But since the list was by all accounts a joint Justice Department and White House effort, Congress has no choice but to question under oath the two people who are in the best position to shed light on the mystery: Mr. Rove and Ms. Miers.

Do we have the answers to the “core questions” about how and why the list of purged prosecutors was put together? Not yet, but Goodling, at a minimum, moved the ball forward.

I’m confused. If the chief law enforcement officer of the United States is himself a criminal, who is supposed to prosecute him?

  • Agreed. And someone in comments yesterday had the right idea–once Karl and Harriet testify separately on the record and in public (assuming the Dems don’t pee down their legs on the subpoena issue and cave in on this too), if they do not shed light on the matter due to alleged lack of memory and passing blame, then bring both of them back, together, with Gonzales, McNulty, Goodling, Sampson, Comey, and any other important top DOJ officials, all at the same table, all at the same time. One big battle royale. Provide plenty of folding chairs within reach–and maybe even cage them in in one big death match.

  • When then presidential candidate George Bush said to the effect, “I will bring a moral decency back to the WH,” I guess he only thought sex to be immoral. He forgot to tell us he fully accepts a cowardly policy that works to convert our nation of laws into a nation of patriotic Republicans, a one party banana republic style of junta rule. For me, as a small d democrat, sex is natural, and should not be stigmatized by being the basis of impeachment, (oh, I forgot, the Republicans led by the likes of Lindsey Graham assured us it was not about the sex, but that Pres. Clinton lied when he said he did not have sex with her). Well, since that era of impeachable sex, we have witnessed time and again lies from this administration that really have a serious impact on our sense of heritage and identity – Cheney lied when he feigned no involvement in the Plame outing; Gonzales, seemingly, cannot not lie every time he opens his mouth; and Mr. Bush is just an idiot who can’t help lying just to lie.

    My Congressional electees have an obligation at this juncture in our history to open impeachment proceedings against our sitting president and our sitting vice president. Any further delay on this matter will only lead to more death and destruction under the incompetent leadership of the United States of Republicans. -Kevo

  • Comment by Haik Bedrosian:
    I’m confused. If the chief law enforcement officer of the United States is himself a criminal, who is supposed to prosecute him?

    I dunno. Coast Guard?

  • This isn’t a circular firing squad. This looks like to me a deliberate attempt to muddy the waters and confuse folks (in particular the Dems and the MSM.)

    I get the impression that this is supposed to generate a “who knows who really is to blame” meme and then it would die down as the MSM scratches their heads. I hope the Dems (roll eyes) don’t buy into this bullshit.

    As for Regent, someone should decertify the school and all schools like it from being a legitimate law program (but I doubt anyone would.)

  • and yet, watching cnn this a.m., i learned from the ever-spinning john roberts and the chatterbunny from court teeeeveeee, that there was nothing significant revealed in goodling’s testimony yesterday.

    now, moving on to the really important cnn coverage … brian tool, er, todd, has an exclusive direct from the pentagon — a torture manual ‘produced by al qaeda’ with pictures and everything. BOOOO!

  • On April 19, Gonzales testified, under oath, that he had not spoken with “witnesses” in this scandal about the events because it would have been inappropriate. … Apparently, he was lying.

    It was apparent that Gonzales was lying because his lips were moving.

  • SECRETS OF THE DEEP

    So Monica Goodling doesn’t know who placed the names on the list of U.S. Attorneys to be fired. She may have been the liason between the Sept. of Justice and the White House but knowledge of any White House recommendations was above her pay grade.

    The swamp of Washington politics has absorbed this secret. Nobody knows who decided which attorneys must go. Not “Can’t Recall’ Gonzales, not Deputy Attorney General McNulty, not Chief of Staff Sampson. Nobody.

    Maybe Karl Rove knows, but he isn’t talking. And some of his possibly revealing e-mails have mysteriously disappeared. Probably forever lost into a black hole.

    I think that the names must have been put on the list by Penn & Teller.

    Homer http://www.altara.blogspot.com

  • Her testimony wasn’t of the Comey variety, but the news that Gonzo had added witness tampering to his already impressive rap sheet was the nugget for me.

  • The comments of the Republicans at yesterdays hearing bring home how close we are to losing our democracy.
    “No fish in this pond”, and “circus” when Monica, the lawyer, knows enough to take the 5th. How can our two party system survive when one of the parties is actively trying to dismantle the rule of law and the constitution?

  • How can our two party system survive when one of the parties is actively trying to dismantle the rule of law and the constitution?

    This is the central political question now facing the United States at this time. We have what amounts to a fifth column, doing all it can to subvert and destroy constitutional democracy from within.

    One note: The Republicans are only able to get away with it because of the active help they get from news media, which eagerly accepts their spin and their framing, and which ignores evidence of Republican malfeasance in the name of “balance.” The good news is it’s not helping them much right now – see the desperately bad GOP polling numbers.

  • Former Dan hits an idea that came to me as well. These separate hearings are in effect a big game of three-card monte, a street corner shell game where the elusive “keys to the kingdom” are always in someone else’s hand.

    An interesting tidbit on Monica’s testimony: she appears to confirm that everyone knew what the infamous list was all about with her testimy about the issue with Daniel Bogden. I am curious what exactly she said about Bogden that made Alberto concur he had to go. If she threw in annecdotes about how Bogden was actually serving justice before the Republican party, it proves everyone involved was a co-conspirator in politicizing the Justice Dept. and not just evaluating fitness to serve. That acknowledgement would help lift the lid off the shell game.

  • Her testimony wasn’t of the Comey variety, but the news that Gonzo had added witness tampering to his already impressive rap sheet was the nugget for me.Ed

    Gonzales tried to coach Monica on her testimony to congress. If she were a witness in a court of law this certainly, in and of itself, would have been a crime on Gonzales’ part. I am not a lawyer, but my guess is that it is not a crime to coach a witness who is about to appear before congress. Perhaps one of the lawyers out there can clarify this point.

    What is clear, as CB notes, is that AGAG lied to congress about his efforts to coach Monica.

    Also, I think Former Dan nails it when he writes,

    This isn’t a circular firing squad. This looks like to me a deliberate attempt to muddy the waters and confuse folks (in particular the Dems and the MSM.)

  • I’m curious: Since Monica wasn’t under subpoena at the time of the March “coaching session,” was the “coaching session” actually illegal? Certainly it was unethical, but illegal?

    In answer to Haik @1, the Congress is supposed to prosecute him since he is a constitutional officer. I’m not a lawyer, but I have a friend who is.

  • They keep missing the main point of Monica’s testimony. She mentioned “caging” and Griffin and this was the main point behind the prosecutor purge…vote suppression. Congress did not even understand what it was much less jump on the opportunity to explore it. They just dismissed it and never mentioned it again. This is the illegal connection between Rove and Griffin…between the WH and the DoJ and congress just went “What is caging?”
    Is the House and the Senate really that ignorant? Do they not see this was what has been being used to eliminate them from office.
    The BBC has already done a “special” on it and how it was used to steal an election and these people still don’t even know what it is.
    Conyers has an email from Griffin to Rove telling how the MSM doesn’t even mention or have a clue about the ‘caging’. What is with their investigators anyway? They just don’t get it and here Monica mentions it and they don’t even know what it is. It’s the WHOLE POINT.

  • Leadership means educating the people about what is important.
    Congress is engaged in followership.

  • “Ex-Governor Siegelman Put In Prison So Bob Riley Can Be Groomed As A GOP Vice Presidential Candidate”.

    Bush’s justice appointees used the justice system to kidnap Don Siegelman. An order was sent to the prison 600 miles away that he is to be kept under strict watch 24 by 7 not allowing communicating with no one except for limited communications with his wife, children and attorneys.

    (a) When Siegelman was Secretary of State and Attorney General, he referred several irregularities of cash flow to state and federal law enforcement which included sham organizations, Contra drug trafficking, tax evasion and money laundering. The results of the investigations found that much were linked to high ranking politicians in Alabama, Florida, Arkansas and sometimes Georgia, and Mississippi. Siegelman is a very smart attorney. He holds two law degrees. He knows more about Alabama’s politics than anyone, being the only person in history to have served the top four government offices in Alabama and he has first hand experience of how a White house backed conspiracy works. This is a partial list of the skeletons that they don’t want big media to know about:

    (a) Voting fraud- Voting machine expert Dan Gans of Riley’s staff is very knowledgeable of “Diebold Optical Scan Voting Machines” and of the “ES&S Central Voting Tabular” used in Alabama elections. He is believed to have altered the election totals on election night in the 2002 gubernatorial election.

    (b) Millions of dollars of dirty campaign money was used to defeat Siegelman’s Education Lottery and to defeat his gubernatorial campaigns. The money came from big business clients of lobbyist Jack Abramoff, Michael Scanlon, Toby Roth, Rob Riley and William Canary. Several different National GOP associations along with some sham organizations ran by Robin Vanderwall, Preston Gates, Ralph Reed, Glover Norquist and William Canary laundered the money so that it wouldn’t be obvious who the donors were.

    (c ) The newspaper giant Newhouse/Advance Publications has an arrangement with the GOP and the U.S. attorneys in Alabama to print articles hand fed to them by Alabama GOP operatives and the U.S. attorneys in Alabama to create a corrupt public image of Siegelman, and other top Democratic politicians.

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