‘GOP presses Dems on Foley’

That was the headline this morning on CNN.com: “GOP presses Dems on [tag]Foley[/tag].” I assumed, naively, that CNN had simply erred, like their colleagues who had identified Mark Foley as a Democrat.

Alas, it was no mistake. Congressional Republicans, in the kind of move only they would try to make, are trying to turn the tables on the scandal.

Faced with fending off the backlash from the Mark Foley scandal, House Republicans took the offensive Friday, asking Minority Leader Nancy [tag]Pelosi[/tag] and other Democrats to testify about whether they engaged in partisan trickery by releasing Foley’s messages weeks before the midterm elections. […]

In a letter to Pelosi, which also was sent to Democratic Party Chairman Howard Dean, Rep. Jack [tag]Kingston[/tag], R-Georgia, asked them to disclose whether Democrats played a role in publicizing Foley’s correspondences.

“Just as it must be determined whether any Republican members or political operatives were aware of and attempted to conceal Mr. Foley’s activities, it must also be determined whether any Democrat members or political operatives were aware of and attempted to conceal these same activities,” Kingston wrote in a letter signed by 10 other GOP lawmakers.

(You’ll notice that these clowns are always on message, using the grammatically incorrect “Democrat members,” even in official correspondence.)

You can tell a lot about a person by how he or she reacts when their backs are up against a wall. House Republicans, demonstrating the kind of class and decency for which they are famous, are faced with a political crisis of sorts, and have decided that making up obvious nonsense is the key to their survival. It’d be amusing if it weren’t so transparently pathetic.

We already know the Dems weren’t responsible for uncovering this story. Brian Ross has said it, his producer has said it, and The Hill made it abundantly clear.

The source who in July gave news media Rep. Mark Foley’s (R-Fla.) suspect e-mails to a former House page says the documents came to him from a House GOP aide.

That aide has been a registered Republican since becoming eligible to vote, said the source, who showed The Hill public records supporting his claim.

The same source, who acted as an intermediary between the aide-turned-whistleblower and several news outlets, says the person who shared the documents is no longer employed in the House. But the whistleblower was a paid GOP staffer when the documents were first given to the media.

And yet, there are House GOP lawmakers, taking to the airwaves — unchallenged — with breathtakingly dumb arguments about putting Democratic leaders under oath to answer questions about a scandal that exclusively involves Republicans.

We’re way past shameless here. There’s simply no reason for the media to allow the record to be distorted so blatantly.

We’re all a bit annoyed that reporters are unwilling to call a lie a lie, but there’s something even worse going on. I’ve found that reporters are unwilling to believe that they’re being lied to, based on an odd belief that their power to fuck over the person who lied to them insulates them from things. There’s such a strong presumption of innocence based on their own perceived power. Which they never use. It’s weird.

The odd sight of b-list Republicans fanning out to suggest that what this scandal is really all about is What Nancy Pelosi Knew And When She Knew it is somewhat entertaining, but it’s really time for the press corps to not put up with this game.

Josh Marshall added:

On CNN and in the Washington Post yesterday, reporters duly noted that the Republicans who are parroting this argument [that the scandal is a Democrat election gambit] do so with no evidence and that there’s no evidence to back it up.

But this is insufficient.

Every news organization that is aggressively reporting this story knows in basic outlines who the ultimate sources of these IMs were and how they made their way into the hands of the media. So they know not only that there is ‘no evidence’ for the GOP line but that it is actually false. Given that the Republicans who are spouting this line make no effort even to offer evidence, I think it is a fair conclusion that not only is the claim false but that these professional bamboozlers like Gingrich know it’s false.

In other words, they’re lying. And the news organizations publishing what they say know they’re lying. Saying there’s ‘no evidence’ doesn’t cut.

Republicans feel as if they have no choice but to lie, blatantly, with a straight face, to the nation. They do so because they expect news outlets to let them get away with it.

Is it any wonder our political discourse functions about as well as … well, a Republican-led federal government?

Maybe the coup is already over and we poor fools are the only ones that dont know it. If the media is this far gone…..

  • Here’s the big question. It’s clear the MSM – a term that refers to a large array of various outlets, and yet can still be referred to with a broad brush in this case — are pushing any GOP BS that spews from their fax machines. The reporters know they’re lies. They purposely hide the evidence that will conclusively show them to be lies, and shut out anybody who will call them on it, and shatter the fourth wall of their kabuki theater. And when playing dumb is no longer possibly, they purposely make “typos” to change party affiliations (how many times were these mistakes made in the week before the Foley scandal broke?) Local stations, starved for cash, refuse to accept Democratic money to run their ads.

    That journalists, from CNN, to the LA Times, to the AP, are proactively crafting the discourse by Orwellian means for the government is beyond question. What I just can’t wrap my head around is why. What does the GOP have on these guys?

  • The media’s complicity with the Republican machinery is the grease that makes the gears turn. Nothing is assured with the November election, not wih Diebold, Fox, CNN and others able to sway the course of events. I agree with Michael in #1. Have the Republicans stormed he Bastille and renamed it Guantanamo?

  • Res Ipsa Loquitor (The thing speaks for itself.)

    Yeah. Uh-huh. Whatever. If they had tried this the minute the story broke it might have worked. (And didn’t they shut Hastert down when he said the same thing on the Flush Windbag show?) At any rate, there are too many Repugs who now say they knew about Foley for years (but they forgot to tell the lone Dem on the page program committe, oops).

    It looks, smells and sounds like a GOP cover up to everyone with two brain cells to bang together. And because people get a tad upset when they hear about kids and sex they want to hear the GOP say: We’re throwing out all the scoundrels who covered for Foley. Complex stories about some sort of pre-election trickery just make people more sceptical. Reporting the story “As stated,” is fine because the facts are so well known and recent that this only highlights how fucked and fucked up the GOP is right now. There’s no need to say “This contradicts X, Y, Z,” or “Look at these bastards trying to cover their ass,” because everyone (with the exception of a few people to stupid for a mother’s tears) knows exactly what is going on and is rolling their eyes. Hard.

    Also, the mysterious Prankster Democrat (if such a person exists, not) could say, Yes I did release it to the press because you let this guy run rampant for years and wouldn’t do anything. Ooops. However, I think we’re just watching what happens when evil bastards get their comeupance. I’m going to get another beer so I don’t miss the part where the lab burns down around their ears as they cackle like gibbons.

  • Well, memekiller, I can’t tell you why those other folks are doing it, but at the LA Times, it’s pretty simple. The scumballs from the Chicago Tribune this week fired the LA Times publisher for backing the editor when he refused to implement another 20% staff cut in order to increase the profit margin reported for the final quarter of 2006 (it’s already at 20% and the pinstriped pimps want a 7% per year increase in profitability – further proof that Republicans cannot do math since that is impossible). So for a reporter in an organization run by far right wing scum, the secret to survival of your paycheck is easy: drink the Kool-Aid.

    Two things we have to do after we get power back: re-implement the Fairness Doctrine and make it illegal for a corporation to own more than one newspaper or TV or radio station. It would also be good if we could destroy the legal rule that a corporation is a “legal person,” which would go far to reining in the scumballs.

  • Couldn’t agree more with “Orange.” The only strategy that would have worked for Republicans would have involved dumping Hastert and savagely scapegoating gay men with everything they had. They didn’t do it.

    Instead, they are defending Foley’s actions on the merits by claiming the emails were a “hoax” or that the young boy accusers are “democratic plants.” In other words, they are actively defending the actions of a confimed child sex predator. And everyone sees it.

    Everyone.

    This is the one rare case where the more aggressive and vocal Republicans are, the more they hurt themselves. They are digging and digging an ever deeper hole…

  • CB: There’s simply no reason for the media to allow the record to be distorted so blatantly.

    what media? *looks around hopefully* oh, the /corporate/ media.

  • Folks, I hope that we are not too distracted with the Foley affair.

    I think that the Whitehouse may be using the hubub (as deserved as it is) to distract people from Susan Ralston’s resignation.

  • The current Republican Leadership = Powermongering Cowards!
    With each passing revelation, these guys present themselves as desperate souls looking for guidance from a God who seems to be mocking their medocrity.

    Vote the Rascals Out in ’06 and ’08! -Kevo

  • Utah’s 3rd Dist. congressman Chris Cannon (R-Foot in mouth) repeated Drudge’s meme and got jumped on for it:

    Cannon jumps into Foley mess
    ‘Precocious kids’ comment triggers outburst
    By Thomas Burr
    The Salt Lake Tribune
    Article Last Updated:10/07/2006 02:00:03 AM MDT
    Click photo to enlargeRep. Chris Cannon«1»WASHINGTON – Rep. Chris Cannon on Friday attempted to clarify public comments he made a day earlier seeming to blame teenage congressional pages in the unfolding scandal of former Rep. Mark Foley of Florida.
    “These kids are actually precocious kids,” Cannon, R-Utah, told KSL Radio’s “Nightside” program. “It looks like, uh, maybe this one e-mail is a prank where you had a bunch of kids sitting [around] egging this guy on.”
    Cannon, who has defended House Speaker Dennis Hastert’s handling of the scandal, also said Thursday that there is not much to do other than educate kids to the dangers of going online.

    http://www.sltrib.com/ci_4456550

  • Can’t someone tell the GOP that, with the return of foo’ball and the new TeeVee season underway we no longer need their miserably bad amateur comedians for entertainment.

  • For once, I agree with the Republicans. The Democratic leadership needs to come clean with the American public with what they know about Mark Foley.

    They should stand as a group, look straight into the camera, and clearly say, “Here’s what we know about Mark Foley: He’s a Republican.

    And then they should leave with no further comment.

  • Democrats should not overreact. The Republicans are doing their usual “confuse ’em with the facts” routine. Let them bleat. Foley is a Republican. Foley committed the offense. Democrats should just plow forward, ignoring the hysteria.

    The mistake the media make is never asking a follow-up question. Never. If they did, the straw man tactic (among others) would have died long ago.

  • It’s absolutely absurd for the Republicans to try to blame the Democrats concerning the Foley scandal and trying, underhandedly through some of their media supporters such as Fox News, to label Foley as a Democrat. But at least Keith Olbermann on MSNBC’s “Countdown with Keith Olbermann,” last Thursday night in a “special comment, ” called a spade a spade and defended the Democrats by squarely putting the blame on Bush and his Republican Congressional colleagues for this outrage.

    MSNBC’s Keith Olbermann, in his characteristic eloquence that he has become famous for in his “special comments,” has been a longtime consistent critic of the Bush administration and this Republican-controlled Congress for trying to stifle peaceful dissent and trying to label those peaceful dissenters and the Democratic leadership, who exercise their Constitutional-mandated critique, as “traitors.”

    At least Keith Olbermann is trying to make this current administration and their Congressional colleagues accountable. His MSNBC “Countdown with Keith Olbermann” show is on weeknights (Monday through Friday) at 8 PM Eastern time with a second airing at midnight Eastern time. I highly recommend his show to my fellow Carpetbagger Report bloggers as a very satisfied viewer who has no affiliation to MSNBC nor to any other TV network. May true democracy be restored to our shores!!

  • There is nothing Republicans will not do in pursuit of a permanent majority, from violating all ethical standards of conduct to rewriting, or if necessary, destroying the Constitution.

  • This must be that ‘bipartisanship’ they’re always going on about – if we’re going to investigate one party we should investigate both parties. Riiiight.

    This is awfully reminiscent of the schoolyard come-back “I know you are, but what am I?” I have a feeling it will play that way to the public.

    Sadly, CNN and other stooges are happy to carry it, since, along with more partisan reasons, they think that turning Foleygate into a inter-party catfight is the best way to squeeze some more news cycles out of it. It’s really a shame they don’t pick up the phone to get some support for any of the rumors about other Rethuglicans involved. That would be news, and actual reporting.

  • Why just ask the Democratic leaders to testify? Why haven’t Bush, Cheney, and Rove testified? What are they hiding? I find this all highly suspicious. If answers aren’t forthcoming immediately, perhaps we should move forward to aggressive questioning. At the very least, President Hillary should get to do this in a couple of years. It’d be such a shame to have all these amazing new laws and not get to use them. With harsh questioning, I’m positive we could get cowardly bullies like W, Rove, and Cheney to confess to all manner of nasty crimes in no time at all. [ /sarcasm]

  • N. Wells, you’re not taking it far enough. There are plenty of other people who could be called to testify. Richard Armitage has shown he has loose lips; perhaps he accidentally leaked the info. And as long as the GOP is relying on “[i]cui bono?[/i]” logic, all of this disarray among our government clearly benefits Osama bin Laden’s efforts to avoid capture. They should subpoena him, too. (Oh wait, they’d have to capture him first.)

    What about “Kids in the Hall” comedian Dave Foley, who not only shares a name with Mark Foley, but also was a KITH castmate of gay actor Scott Thompson? How do we know he didn’t have something to do with this information coming out? What about Elton John? He’s gay, too. He must be behind this.

    In short, we may need to subpoena every single person who can’t conclusively prove that they were NOT behind the release of this information. As Mick Jagger never sang, “I shouted out, who outed Mark Foley, when after all, it was you and me.”

    Forget left or right, it’s the Vast All-American Conspiracy!

    🙂

  • Okay, no one else bit, so i will: who is Susan Ralston and why is her resignation important enough not to lose in the scattershot over Foley?

  • As Orange (#4) stated, “It looks, smells and sounds like a GOP cover up to everyone with two brain cells to bang together”. Unfortunately, too many who will be voting who have than two brain cells are incapable of admitting the GOP is ever wrong, or lies, or spins, or puts their party before country, pedophiles, and reality. I fear petorado (#3) is correct and that these bastards will eke out continued control of Congess.
    Following Tom Cleaver’s point, maybe we should start to alter the Pledge of Alligance to something like, “I pledge alligance to the management of the Corporate States of America, and to the autocracy for which it stands, one nation, under Jesus, with liberty and tolerance for the few”.

  • NanuqFC,

    Susan Ralston was Karl Rove’s chief assistant at the White House. Before that she was Jack Abramoff’s assistant. The White House has now admitted to her passing inside White House information to Abramoff as well as various other ethical transgressions. In other words, she is another staffer being thrown overboard in an effort to shield her superiors. BTW, there aren’t that many superiors above her.

  • So the GOPers are spinning. Who cares? There in enough T-N-T in this dung pile to cover the whole party in a layer of stink.

    Folks please get a clue to the way a (nearly) obsessive sexual predator works:

    1. they are opportunistic
    2. they are relentless, and…
    3. given adequate resources and time, they are successful

    I have no doubt what so ever that Foley has had sex with at least a couple of his targets. As soon as authorities subpoena the ISP, they will find many more provocative communications.

    Chances are, the kids that Foley was most likely to be successful with are not the guys who have gone public. Most likely, Foley was able to find self-identifying gay teens that felt isolated and lonely or saw benefit in saying yes to an older wealthier man.

    Once the authorities figure out who these kids are,(I’ll guess ‘bout a dozen or so) they still may not “talk”. Maybe they view what happened as no bodies business, or maybe Foley was able to reach out secretly and secure their help.

    But all it takes is one guy who was of the right age in the right state and Foley may be going to jail for the rest of his life.

    Which bring up this point:

    Has anyone seen Foley in this supposed Rehab? If my assumptions are correct, Foley may have boarded a private jet and took off for the Bahamas last weekend.

  • Too bad the Democrats DIDN’T have the info in 2002. It could have been a bombshell October Surprise in 2004 and things might be VERY different now with President Kerry at the helm!

  • I only hope Allen Specter has enough patriotic duty within
    him self, to have an investigation in to the 640 visits to White
    House by Abramoff, an what Rove an Susan Ralston have
    been doing.

  • re: Ralston

    MW, NanuqFC and others,

    Here is the quote: “The White House counsel’s office conducted a review of the report, but with Ralston’s departure it closed its inquiry yesterday. “Nothing more will come from the report, no further fallout from the report,” Perino said.

    A senior administration official who spoke on the condition of anonymity said the counsel’s office reached no conclusion about whether Ralston violated gift limits because her resignation made the point moot.” from the Saturday WP. See TPM for the link.

    I sent this link to TPM and they mentioned it, but I don’t think they got to the real significance of these statements.

    They are about as close to confessions as you can get. The Whitehouse does not say that Ralston didn’t do anything wrong nor anything criminal. They say that they aren’t even going to formally investigate it because she has resigned and it is therefore moot.

    ‘…with Ralston’s departure it closed its inquiry…’

    ‘..the counsel’s office reached no conclusion…’

    ‘Nothing more will come from the report,’

    This is lawyer speak for ‘if you make us look under that rug we’d find a big mess and we would have to report it, so please just resign before we have to look and make a formal finding’.

    I’ve heard so many of these ‘non-denial denials’ over the years that I watch for them now.

    The Whitehouse does not want another scandal on top of the Foley scandal. That would be a disaster. But I predict that this little snippet will be like the first announcement that burglars had broken in to rooms in the Watergate Hotel.

    Ralston’s resignation will delay the story but it won’t make it go away.

    The timing of the resignation (Friday evening when Democrats are preoccupied with a sex scandal) is meant to hide it.

    I just hope some investigative reporter’s antennae are beeping like crazy right now.

  • We really do need to pick up this story on Susan Ralston. Quickly.

    Abranoff; Ralston; Rove; Direct Line to Bush.

    How many of our citizens tomorrow morning will be able to tell anyone who Susan Ralston is and why she matters?

    Blogs, etc., won’t do this one. This needs the same glaring headlines as we have with Foley. And continued use of them until it sinks in – Ralston brought the keys to the Abranoff kingdom to Rove and Bush! Corruption at the highest levels of our government. Again. Just 21 days before our elections. At least let’s try to get this out for everyone to see. ‘Course it would be much better if there were sex in here somewhere, wouldn’t it? he-he

  • They can talk uncontested all they want, but only the most rabid and brain dead of their supports won’t see it for what it is. Many Americans may be stupid, tired of the administration; distracted with their daily lives but they aren’t that stupid, tired, or distracted. Republicans may have successfully dumbed down political interaction but this is just too lame to be believed – which won’t mean they won’t try of course, after all this is reflexive for them.

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