GOP scrambling to defeat Webb troop-support amendment

By any reasonable measure, Sen. Jim Webb’s (D-Va.) amendment seems like a no-brainer. As he explained yesterday, “Traditionally, when American military units are sent overseas, they are allowed twice as much time at home as they spent deployed. Today, that ratio has gone below one-to-one. So, after four-and-a-half years of an occupation in Iraq, our military people are getting burned out.”

Webb’s amendment is simple: the Bush administration would be required to provide active-duty troops at least equal time at home as the length of their previous tour. Serve a year in Iraq, for example, get a year at home. The measure enjoys bipartisan support, and has been endorsed by the Military Officers Association of America, which represents 368,000 officers.

But it still needs 60 votes to overcome a Republican filibuster. The initial argument from war supporters was that the Webb measure was, as John McCain put it, “blatantly unconstitutional.” McCain said, “Where in the Constitution of the United States does it say that the Congress decides how long people will spend on tours of duty and how long they will spend back in the United States?”

Webb dispatched that talking point fairly easily this morning, noting that Article I, Sec. 8 of the Constitution empowers Congress to “make rules for the government and regulation of the land and Naval forces.”

About an hour ago, Senate Republicans came up with a new idea: they’ll endorse the principle of Webb’s amendment, but they’ll make it non-binding.

Speaking on the Senate floor this morning, Sen. John McCain (R-AZ), an ardent opponent of a pro-troop measure to relieve the stress on the overstretched armed forces, announced he will propose a toothless, watered-down substitute to the Webb amendment.

McCain said he and Sen. John Warner (R-VA) have teamed up to put together a “sense of the Senate” amendment to express “very clearly that we all want all our troops home and we understand the stress and strain that’s been inflicted on the men and women in the military and the guard and reserves.”

Got that? Republicans will grudgingly agree that troops deserve longer breaks, but they won’t do anything to make sure they get longer breaks.

Greg Sargent summarized this nicely.

McCain, who’s overseeing today’s activities as the senior Republican on the Senate Armed Services Committee, announced on the floor that Warner would be introducing a “sense of Congress” amendment on troop readiness. A “sense of Congress” amendment is nonbinding — it’s not a law, it’s an expression of Congress’ opinion.

Thus, this allows Warner to express his opinion that the Webb measure — giving troops rest time equal to their time in combat — is merely a good idea, without putting it into law.

And just to add insult to injury, Warner cooked this measure up to kill Webb’s amendment, without telling Webb about it. They’re both from Virginia, Warner even voted for the Webb amendment earlier this year, and now Warner doesn’t even have the class to give his colleague a heads-up.

Apparently, this legislate-through-suggestion approach was crafted yesterday.

At a closed-door luncheon meeting Tuesday, Senate Republicans discussed drafting an alternative, non-binding “Sense of the Senate” resolution stating that the Senate recognizes that the burden is very heavy on troops but supporting the troop rotations set by the Pentagon, senators said. Republicans hope floating that proposal would prevent defections by allowing their conference to go on record recognizing the challenges facing troops in Iraq.

Naturally, Webb is arguing that if lawmakers want to support the troops, a resolution expressing the chamber’s opinion won’t cut it. They have the power to act, not opine.

“I have just learned from Sen. McCain’s comments that Sen. Warner will be offering a side-by-side amendment that goes to the sense of the Congress rather than the will of the Congress. And I would like to state emphatically at the outset that this is a situation that calls for the will of the Congress.”

Stay tuned.

This was the same standard for Clinton appointees to the bench. They wouldn’t even put them up for a vote because the replacement would have the same problem: they were appointed by a Democrat. No Democrat gets confirmed. No Democratic legislation gets passed. Period. One might call that obstructionist. That is, if the press called needing 60 votes for passage a fillibuster.

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  • As a follow up: this is why no appointee or piece of legislation by a Republican Congress or President should be passed under any condition whatsoever. Until there is some blowback for opposing anything that doesn’t originate with them, then when we approve Republican appointments, we are basically conceding that only Republicans can appoint people to the bench. So, no Republican appointees until all the ones held up under Clinton get put in. Then, lets see how they are about holding up everything sight unseen.

  • Is anyone counting how many times since January bills with majority support have failed to gain cloture because of Republican obstructionism?

  • Maybe next time Brave John wants to take a walk through a Baghdad shop, the local troops should simply express the sense that he should be protected without actually take steps to protect him. . .

  • What memekiller said goes for me too.

    Oh, and how about forcing a real filibuster for all the world to see, instead of a wussy nondescript cloture vote?

  • Is anyone counting how many times since January bills with majority support have failed to gain cloture because of Republican obstructionism?

    Hey beep, the proper phraseology for that would be “Democrats failed to get [x]approved”.

    The liberal media is so soft-hearted and generous that they rewrite every story with the words “Republican filibuster” in it so that the Republicans will have a better go of it.

    They’re that liberal!

  • What Diane said!

    The Democrats in the senate need to think about how shitty it is in Iraq before they let the Republicans fillibuster anything without really doing it. If they don’t like sitting through long senate sessions, maybe they should try a rotation in Baghdad.

  • Why won’t the Democrats just continue to debate then? That’s really what the failure of a cloture vote means. If they kept discussing Webb’s bill every day until everyone in America finally understood what was going on, it would finish the Republicans forever. I just don’t understand what is wrong with them.

  • This is a clarion call to all of America that in order to get a damn thing done in this country we will need at least 60 real Democrats to move this nation forward. Since Republicans hate the troops, hate brown-skinned and black skinned Americans, hate people based on their religion and hate anyone who is not one of the haves and have mores, maybe this nation will finally vote for its self-interest and not the Republican party’s selfish interests.

  • Yeah, Diane. If the press isn’t calling it a fillibuster because the Dems don’t make them fillibuster, then, for God’s sake, MAKE THEM FILLIBUSTER!!!!

  • These are not patriots, these are not supporters of soldiers. Actual life has such little meaning to them outside of their own skins. These are the same guys who threw a fit at a longer work week. I just can’t wait to be rid of them. They continue to force our soldiers to fight and die policing a civil war and do so without even given them a break. They are so willing to sacrifice others for their own political gain thinking that is heroic. McCain’s insane but Warner has no excuse except that he’s a party loyalist whose only enemy is the democrats..they both have demonstrated how little the lives of our soldiers actually mean to them out side of using them to further their political goals. They live in ‘virtual’ reality and hopefully one day reality will bite them on the ass…either reality or Senator Craig.

  • Update***Make them filibuster…actually filibuster rather than just threaten to do so…All of America will hear about the daily obstructionism…over and over until they are so sick of the republicans that none of them will stand a chance of being re-elected. They obstruct everything so that we can’t keep it straight. This way it will brought to our attention daily…Shut down congress if you have to and show how much they are destroying our government. Celebrate the filibuster…bring sandwiches… make them stand before America on a daily basis and deny the troops rest. Do your fucking Job Reid.

  • Zeitgeist said:
    Maybe next time Brave John wants to take a walk through a Baghdad shop, the local troops should simply express the sense that he should be protected without actually take steps to protect him. . .

    Bravo and LOL.

    Now, where’s VoteVet.Org? Time for them to make another killer ad.

  • At a closed-door luncheon meeting Tuesday, Senate Republicans discussed drafting an alternative, non-binding “Sense of the Senate” resolution …

    Just curious, would that be the function at which Larry Craig showed up?

  • It’s fairly embarrassing that a sitting Senator would so undercut his own branch’s power the way McCain did. In the good old days, Senators jealously guarded the prerogatives of Congress, especially the ones clearly written into the Constitution. That McCain, who just a while back worked on legislation regulating how torturous interrogations could be, would even pretend that Webb’s proposal was unconstitutional is a sign of how depraved he has become.

  • Clinton cut military strength from 2.1 million to 1.4 million. If we had the numbers we should have, then half COULD be on leave and half could be deployed. As it is there are not enough troops to sustain the military. Clinton’s destruction of the military foundation is a topic often over looked in the context of the Iraq war.

    To be prepared for war is one of the most effectual means of preserving peace.”
    – George Washington 1790.

  • Yeah Scott…but have you noticed that we are not at war… ?
    We are at occupation… for oil.
    We are killing our children for Enron, Haliburton et al. ( Bush’s constituents …you may recall hearing him say that)

    And you may recall that those “brilliant” minds who decided to invade Iraq were told we needed more troops to do it successfully…but they, in their hubristic ways, thought it would be a snap and that we didn’t need to bother with all those troops.

    Some 4 million Iraqi citizens have lost their homes because of us and this corporate well oiled administration. Thousands of other Iraqi citizens have died because Corporations rule this Administration.

    This is not WAR…this is not DEFENSE of our NATION, this is MURDER & MAYHEM for OIL…old fashioned greed.

  • More Webb please.

    He’s exactly the man who needs to be front and center on all issues of the war. Not only is he bptj a decorated combat vet and a former-high level administrator of a military service, he’s also a writer–he knows how to communicate. And of every Democrat in Washington, I’d wager he’s the least likely to default to the provisional, weaselish, often-nonsensical circumlocutions that so turn off everyone outside the Beltway.

    This strikes me as yet another example of an issue that, were the Democrats in opposition and the Republicans for it rather than vice-versa, the Republicans would find the right levers of public opinion and get it accomplished. That Webb is the point man is the only reason I think we might have a shot this time.

  • Everyone has a breaking point and mine came today. I *never* contact my representatives; I figure it’s pointless. But today, I just had to vent. I didn’t phone — my spoken English isn’t all that great; I wasn’t sure I could express everything I wanted to. I didn’t e-mail — too much trouble trying to choose one, from the list of subjects I wanted to address. So I wrote and s-mailed my letter to the DC office. It’ll get there too late to do any good, but….

    Dear Senator Warner,

    Many years ago, at a July 4th ceremony on the lawn of Thomas jefferson’s Monticello, you gave me my Naturalization Certificate and shook the hand of this new citizen in congratulation. It had been a very important day in my life; one that will never forget. My birth country — Poland — had only a year or so earlier locked into a marshal law, after many years of submission to USSR. My US citizenship promised so much, all of it better.

    But, as my husband (Virginia born-and-bred) explained, with priviledges come obligations, among them the obligation to participate in my new country’s life via voting. Until then, I never paid much attention to politics; in Poland “one could vote, but one couldn’t elect”, as the saying went. But US was different and so I resolved to vote. In order to cast a meaningful vote, I had to inform myself.

    So, all those many years I have kept my eyes and ears open to the political scene — local, state and national. Which, naturally, meant you as well. Throughout all those years, I was proud of having my citizenship certificate given to me by you. I didn’t always agree with every position you took but I never doubted your character, your honesty, your integrity, your honor.

    Until this past year… when your integrity and your honor seem to have melted under the pressure from the benighted White House we now have. You have lost your moral compass, Sir; you have put the interests of your party above the interests of your country and your people. In the process, you have taken my new country away from me and brought me back to my old one — an authoritarian state, where ordinary people have no rights at all.

    With your vote on FISA (before the August recess), you took away my right to privacy. With your — today’s — vote against the restoration of Habeas Corpus you took away my protection from a capricious government. And now, you have teamed up with Senator McCain — another man who used to be honorable. Until ambition corroded his honor and his brain — to shoot down Senator Webb’s Amendment, which is in the best interests of our troops. With that decision, you have taken away my belief that you care about ordinary people who look up to you for help and protection. You have destroyed my respect for you; you have betrayed me.

    For shame, Sir. This is not how you should be ending your long and honorable career.

    Yours, disappointed,
    Name, address

  • What a Great idea the Webb ammendment is.

    As a retired US Air Force NCO and one who has studied the great traditions and heritage of our US Armed Forces, all I can say is that I wish we had this type of clear thinking back in World War I and World War II. Think of how those brave fighting men would have loved to come home on paid leave every 6 months instead of staying in place to do the job of defeating the enemy on foriegn soil. Yep, fighting for democacy for two or three years straight, getting a letter from home once every month or two and listening to the radio to hear the news that we are defeating the bad guys, those were the days.

    This country is now filled with spineless wimps who have no sense of the concept of commitment, courage or honor that made our military the best in the world. If you ask any Soldier, Sailor, Marine or Airman if they want to come home, you would get a 100% answer of Yes. Ask if they would come home right now if it meant not doing their duty and defeating the enemy, all but the most spineless would want to stay and finish the job. That is the American way.

    In any branch of the service you will find those who whine, cry and want to take the easy way out. They are not the leaders and they are not the ones who get the job done, they are the ones that the media listens to and that make it harder for the true professionals to finish the fight.

    I am a Virginia native, I have been to War in defense of our Great Nation and I say that Sen. Webb is a Brave Marine but also a Political Coward.

    May God Bless America and Those Who Fight For Freedom, Ours and Others

  • evergreen –

    Is this bill about the troops or about the same tired discussion of the Iraq war. If you are truly looking towards troop welfare (which this bill sells itself as) then you need to understand the root cause for troop overdeployment. If you want to find a backdoor way to hold the president hostage over a failed policy then then this bill seems more like the ticket. The reason congress has an 11% approval rating (lower than Bush) is because they lie, cheat and abuse our country. This is just another attempt at that deception. It is not an honest discussion of the daily grind and obligations of military life.

    If you support this bill because you want to support the people who are the only reason you have the ability to type your thoughts or go to the store in peace or have a standard of living that is like none in the world, then do so. Or better yet go donate some time and energy to help military veterans or families.

    If you want to whine about politics, then don’t use the welfare of our military. Do it like everyone else in some blog no one cares about. You have the luxury to debate apples and oranges, using your special brand of circular logic because somebody lost thier son today. They grieve and you click to the next website.

    Bush may be a moran but he doesnt use the topic of troop welfare to manipulate the public. My country has been stolen from me by people like you as much as Bush

  • Here we go again, the republicans want their cake and eat it too. You republican supporters have gotten the shaft; your spokesmen can’t even fight for your health and safety. Are you kidding me?? Am I hearing this correctly?? The republicans are going to filibuster a bill that would give troops a right to get some much-needed R&R? I really laugh at this republican meltdown, Conservative’s you say…?
    Vote democrat folks, we will conserve energy, conserve freedom of speech, conserve the environment you live in, conserve the budget and most of all conserve the Blood of our National treasure the men and women whom cant catch a break from you republicans. 1 Last thing Part members…. You are all to blame for this; you are the Party Of Cheney, Bush, rumsfeild and a host of others bogged down in some of the funniest political quagmires known to American politics! Good Job!

  • Oh and for your information, I believe the best use of american military is to get rid of these guys that allow the countries they rule to throw stones at the women whom are the mothers and daughters of their families. We need to go and build Big Basis, deploy our troops and occupy any foriegn country that cant act like modern day humanity respecting individuals. That includes the terrorists. Why is it the world leaders use terroism as the grail of the wars we wage as of late, but when those same people terrorize the people around them its a humanitarian issue! Its the resources that lay beneath their feet that seperates the issue! I am a strong believer that we need to be Proactive in the future, or we will have to react to the acts of those whom should never have recieved one red cent in americas name. Oh ya Bush, Chenney, Rumsfield, Baker and a host of others whom are running the country were the ones that gave these guys everything they wanted. Search for the pictures on Google… these guys all shook saddams hand and osama bin ladens hand! makes you wonder!

  • A friend of mine has a son who is on his third tour in Iraq.

    Last Thursday, his Stryker was hit by an IED, and he’s in the hospital now, with injuries to the head.

    In a nation with millions of young, able bodied adults, why did her son have to spend a third tour in Iraq?
    Where are all the brave, patriotic young Americans willing to volunteer and serve their country?

    Why aren’t they getting harrassed, asked why they aren’t in the military when there’s a war on?
    Why aren’t droves of College Republicans lining up at recruiting centers?
    Do they have more important things going on than defending their country against the spread of “Islamofascism”?

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