Got a problem? Ask the public schools to solve it!

Guest Post by Morbo

Just in time for back to school, I was pleased to see the latest issue of “Harper’s” run an article on one of my favorite themes: dumb attacks on public education.

Peter Schrag’s piece, “Schoolhouse crock: Fifty years of blaming America’s educational system for our stupidity,” makes several important points. We would all do well to bear them in mind as our children start another school year.

The article, which unfortunately is behind a subscriber wall online, makes four important points:

* Public education in America is trying to do something unprecedented. We strive to educate every child — regardless of race, creed, socio-economic level, family background or mental and physical challenges. Universal public education is a relatively recent idea. It is no longer just the children of the upper crust who are being educated. Public education serves the masses. This is a commendable concept, but it’s one that obviously presents a unique set of challenges.

* There was no “Golden Age” of American public education. The “Golden Age” is a conservative myth. Even as recently as the 1950s, teens could drop out of school, take a factory job and make a decent living. The idea that there was a time when everyone was being well educated is a crock. Until relatively recently, we weren’t even trying to educate the masses.

* Public schools are expected to deal with numerous social problems. Americans have a tendency to expect public schools to deal with every perceived problem that comes down the pike. As Schrag puts it, not only must the schools assimilate students from every conceivable background and experience, they are also expected to “make every child ‘proficient’ in English and math; educate the blind, the mentally handicapped and the emotionally disturbed to the same levels as all others; teach the evils of tobacco, marijuana, cocaine, heroin, and premarital sex; prepare all for college; teach immigrants in their native languages; teach driver’s ed; feed lunch to poor children; entertain the community with Friday-night football and midwinter basketball; sponsor dances and fairs for the kids; and serve as the prime (and often the only) social-welfare agency for both children and parents.” (No wonder some schools have trouble meeting their educational mission.)

* Schools cannot do it alone. The reason the children of affluent parents tend to out-perform the children of low-income parents isn’t because low-income people are inherently stupid.

It’s because affluent parents tend to be more involved in their children’s lives and have the resources to create a more intellectually stimulating environment at home. There are things low-income parents can do to even the playing field – such as turning off the television and hitting the public library regularly – but sometimes it’s tough to do even these simple things when you are struggling to keep your head above water financially or working more than one job.

This last point is perhaps most important. Americans have a bad habit of looking at public schools as merely a government service or a means to an end: You send your child there, and your child is educated. Actually, the first education your child receives is at home, and he or she should continue receiving education at home even as the school year plays out. Parents must be partners with public education, not just passive users.

To no one’s surprise, the current administration has no interest in helping public education overcome the challenges the system faces. The standard answer from the Bush camp is “choice” (a euphemism for privatization) or adding more mandates to an already heaping plate. Think about it: How many of the difficulties our public schools face are relieved by an insistence that our children take more standardized tests?

Public education in America is trying to do something unprecedented.

Really? I hope that Schrag makes the observation that other countries have been trying to do this as well. I believe that Scotland, for example, has had the goal of universal (and compulsory) public education since the late 1800s.

  • * Public schools are expected to deal with numerous social problems. […] teach the evils of tobacco, marijuana, cocaine, heroin, and premarital sex […]

    That’s where Education crosses the line into Indoctrination — representing a transient political and moral attitude that does not have universal support or objective validity. In other words, trying to persuade impressionable young minds that certain activities are “evil” goes beyond the remit of neutral education and enters the dangerous domain of cultural brainwashing. Any of that moralistic stuff, with cultural and political bias, should definitely be left off a public school curriculum. A lot less parents would feel offended and humiliated and might take a more sympathetic disposition to their children’s educational program.

    [Of course, it will never happen.]

  • So Samten – teaching that the use of tobacco, marijuana, cocaine, and heroin in grade school children represents a transient political and moral attitude? I doubt very highly that there will come a time when these are considered acceptable vices for minors.

    The reality is that kids are often in school from 7 in the morning (a friend just told me that her son’s honors chem class starts at 6:30 in the morning!) until well into the afternoon. The school is a world unto itself run by and taught by and lived in by human beings who have their own morals, values and cultural and political biases.

    But I don’t think that means that we should never get into any of those subjects because there will be a difference of opinion. Is hitting someone a transient moral attitude? How about cheating? I don’t think you can be neutral on many of the moral and values-related issues that kids are already seeing in school and will continue to see throughout their lives.

    I think you have to introduce the concepts to them with the idea being that society at large expects them to act/behave/interact in a certain way and that in the microcosm that is the school, there are certain expectations of them as well.

    Homer

  • The education system has to deal with students with the attention spans of 30 seconds, who are already resistant to institutions and think its “cool” to rebel, and to make up for the lack of parental involvement of over 30% of parents.

    I think more can be done. I think lowering the teacher-student ratio would ease the burden on teachers. I think we also need standards and accountability, but outside the context of No Child Left Behind, which seems to be an overwhelming disaster.

  • To RSA:

    Yes, plenty of other countries have universal, compulsory public education. Now, name one that has the level of diversity of the United States, along with the unbelievable number of things we expect public schools to do.

    >>Really? I hope that Schrag makes the observation that other countries have been trying to do this as well. I believe that Scotland, for example, has had the goal of universal (and compulsory) public education since the late 1800s.

  • I think the previous posters are missing the point of the article… Teaching begins, continues and should never end at HOME. The schools shouldn’t be spending time teaching morality but they are because it is ignored by parents. Kids with special needs needing to learn at the same level as other kids is unrealistic but if schools were not seen as baby sisters but as partners in the education process I think special ed teachers could accomplish a lot more. I personally think that parents should get report cards on their involvements just as much as kids.

    Parents, if you love your kids teach them, make them curious about the world around them, and TURN OFF THE TV once in a while. TV is not a surrogate parent!

  • “teach immigrants in their native languages” its called they learn English then go to school, otherwise you’re just holding back real American children. privatize the school industry, stop demonizing homeschoolers and allow people to choose how they educate their children.

  • If you home-school your children how do they learn to interact with their peers? At some point in their lives they need experience dealing with problems on their own.

  • The public school system has been fucked over by republicans. No child left behind is a disaster. More money should be pumped into education. I believe there is only 6 billion a year that is put to education where as defense and military expenditure are reaching near 1 trillion. Sending your kids to private school is also a bad thing. You should support public education in this country.

  • >If you home-school your children how do they learn to interact with their peers? At some point in their lives they need experience dealing with problems on their own.

    There are organizations of home-schooling families, even in small towns such as my hometown. Not to mention extracurricular activities (e.g., sports) and other community events. The inability to properly socialize homeschooled children is a myth.

  • There is one good thing: Ron Paul, R-TX is running for President. He would abolish the failed and costly Department of Education. That would free up serious money plus introduce some entrepreneurship. Just see how private colleges have faired and you’ll be excited. http://www.ronpaul2008.com

  • I would like to put this in some acceptably pleasant form but the situation in our schools is horrible. For the past forty years at least we have seen a steep decline in SAT scores whereas for fifty years before they were increasing. Children are graduating functionally illiterate. In 1950, by survey, a teacher’s worst problems were running in the hall and chewing gum in class. Yes, I’m certain there were drop outs too and difficult students but nothing like today with the fear of getting stabbed or having your head broken. Today we have 12,000,000 children on prescribed speed and/or other psychiatric drugs.
    The above justifications do nothing to offer a real cause that would suggest a real solution. So, what’s the cause? I don’t blame the teachers and I don’t blame the parents. Their main involvement is that the teachers have been taught a disastrous curriculum and parents have been part of the earlier group of guinea pigs in the receiving end of this curriculum. The problem is and has been turning a workable curriculum of education into one of socialization and behavioral control.
    We knew how to educate people effectively one hundred years ago and more. But we had a crop of psychologist that have systematically destroyed that system in the name of “progress.” Look how long it has taken just to get phonics back into the school systems since psychological substitutes have proven to be such abject failures. There are real solutions to these problems and most of them involve booting the psychologists out of the process and restoring basic education. Try reading The Leipzig Connection, by Paolo Lionni for more information.

  • Excellent article. It is amazing the delta you see in child performance when you have parental evolvement. My wife teaches 1st grade at a low income school. She had a student last year that moved from the bottom of the class to average, just by having his parents remove TV time from his afternoon.

    Another thing that helps the entire system is reducing the student to teacher ratio. Nobody realizes the environment we place our teachers in. No wonder so many of them quit after the first year. If you want better teachers, we need better incentives to choose teaching as a career.


  • I would like to put this in some acceptably pleasant form but the situation in our schools is horrible. For the past forty years at least we have seen a steep decline in SAT scores whereas for fifty years before they were increasing. Children are graduating functionally illiterate. In 1950, by survey, a teacher’s worst problems were running in the hall and chewing gum in class. Yes, I’m certain there were drop outs too and difficult students but nothing like today with the fear of getting stabbed or having your head broken.

    This is just totally misguided. It makes no sense, for example, to use average SAT scores as a metric. Fifty years ago, the only kids who took the SAT were kids who truly wanted to go to college; today, any kid who has an interest in being able to support his/her family more or less has to take the test.

    The U.S. has made vast improvements in literacy rates over hte past century plus that, minimally, have been maintained in recent years.
    http://nces.ed.gov/naal/lit_history.asp#illiteracy
    http://nces.ed.gov/naal/kf_demographics.asp

    As Morbo states above:
    There was no “Golden Age” of American public education. The “Golden Age” is a conservative myth. Even as recently as the 1950s, teens could drop out of school, take a factory job and make a decent living. The idea that there was a time when everyone was being well educated is a crock. Until relatively recently, we weren’t even trying to educate the masses.

    I think people often miss this. Just fifty years ago, we ha da system in which people who didn’t want to continue on in school but would work hard were taken care of. Now, no amount of hard work in a nursing home or chain store guarantees anything like a decent living wage, and as a result, we’ve placed increasing burdens on educators to prepare every kid they see for high status jobs. But this can’t be possible. In a system where so much of the job market is low wage, there’s no plausible way that teachers can give everyone the tools they need to get ahead. Universal college wouldn’t give everyone a high-powered job; it would create a lot of over-educated, bitter busboys.

    My point is this: People often criticize the education system for failing every last child, but the reality is that given our country’s economic system, it is inevitable that some children will fail by the standards we’re using. And compared against these impossible standards, our schools are doing pretty well.

    Yes, of course, we could do a better job educating kids, but more than better education, we need to treat the less educated with more respect.

  • The public school system in the US is a disaster. Teaching unions have made firing the incompetent teachers impossible, and interfere with educational progress. Similarly, administrators represent a huge waste of tax dollars, a big, highly-paid bureaucracy that focuses on politics rather than education. Personally, I support charter schools and, if parents can manage, homeschooling. Private schools are fine, as long as they are not religious indoctrination centers, as many of them are. It is not a school’s job to teach children “teach the evils of tobacco, marijuana, cocaine, heroin, and premarital sex.” That is just as ridiculous as religious indoctrination. It is similarly not the school’s job to entertain the community with sports.

  • I’m sure I’ll have a flurry of hate mail after this comment. It’s my opinion that the teachers unions are a large part of the problem. They are a small bureaucracy functioning in a medium (state) bureaucracy that is functioning in a large (Fed) bureaucracy. Somehow the unions end up with all the power. It’s not a surprise that there is a large disconnect between all of these entities. Combined they end up hurting the education system (although, they have semi-good intentions). I’m not sure lobbying for 6 hour work days and longer vacations is really what the children need. Not to mention the lack of control of firing sub-par teachers. I don’t see the incentive to be an excellent teacher when you have so many people dictating your curriculum, salary, benefits etc…

    Most of the people that I know, all want their children to attend private schools. Most of them can’t afford to pay for it.

    Here is an interesting video that is a small sample of a larger problem.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pfRUMmTs0ZA

  • The problem is not so much with education as it is with the unrealistic and often conflicting expectations of it. The right wing, for example, works mightily to turn schools into mere extensions of GOP indoctrination. Extremists, for example, demand that “intelligent design” be given equal time with real science. Lately, right wing extremists have denied that Hitler was a Nazi and will most certainly demand that the alternative view be taught in school. Is the next step Holocaust denial? Compounding the problem is the fact that there is no cultural consensus about what constitutes a good education. In America, there is no way to tell whether the education one receives is good or not! “Testing” is not merely the Holy Grail of educational accountability, it is a mirage. In the worst case, it amounts to the cynical, political exploitation of education as an issue.

  • the article is right on, but only because the public education since the 80’s has become dilapidated, making the article’s point OBVIOUS. you could also argue for RECYCLING at home. but what a waste of your pencil, writer. sounds like a republican to me. did you know government is spending more on mars exploration than education? why not bring that to everyone’s attention? a sympton of an enormous PROBLEM. a government’s priorities ocompletely out of wack. and when the only solution (outside of unaffordable private schooling)(as is also college tuition these days RIDICULOUSLY overpriced with no assistance from government in sight) is HOMESCHOOLING, what does that say about our system? and i could go on and on about the setbacks of the system of homeschooling and its social acclimation deficiencies. . .boy oh boy oh boy what a mess it all is. i’m not having children here, haha.

  • “Public education in America is trying to do something unprecedented.”

    What have you been smoking? The United States is not the only country trying to educate its whole populous, nor was it the first. Austria was the first country to institute mandatory schooling in 1774. Scotland started taxing people in 1633 to pay for free education. And no, it wasn’t just for the rich. It was for all children. Public education in the US is attempting to do exactly the same stuff as public education everywhere else; people criticize it because the rest of the western world is doing a better job.

  • “It’s my opinion that the teachers unions are a large part of the problem.”

    Of course!

    This is why states with weak unions–Mississippi, Alabama, North and South Carolina to name a few–have school systems that are head and shoulders above the school systems in more union-friendly parts of the country.

  • Michael I absolutely agree with you that teachers unions are a part of the problem. Unions started out as means to give under-privileged workers bargaining power against rampant corporate cost cutting in the form of inhumane wages and working conditions. Seeing as how teachers’ unions are now fighting for 6-hour work days (on top of little to no work during the summer!) as well as administrative brick-walls against firing of incompetent teachers, it’s clear to me which side holds too much bargaining power today.

    But the greatest failing is in parenting. Lets be honest, the poor have always underperformed the rich for exactly the reason detailed in this post. However today we have someone else to blame. We have a ridiculous mentality that education can somehow be completely outsourced outside of the family to the schools, an “I paid you, now take care of it!” philosophy if you will.

  • As someone who works in public schools I take issue with Samten’s implication that we “indoctrinating” children not to do drugs, have sex early in life, etc. The simple fact is that there is extremely high correlations between individuals engaging in these behaviors and those same individuals doing poorly in their education. Since “no child left behind” has become the law, schools must do EVERYTHING possible to boost the every important “test scores.” If you convince kids not to get stoned and laid at age 13, surprisingly, their test scores improve.

    Merrick’s comments have so many false statements in them, I cannot even begin to comment. However, I’m sure his friends in the Flat Earth society to prevent a One World Government agree with him.

  • I somehow cant comprehend how ignorant and miseducated you socialists are. That and the fact you want everything done like government indoctrination (under the guise of education) at the point of a gun. You have 100% absolutely no right in forcing me to pay for some idiots kid being force fed everything by some government bureaucrat. Read that again if necessary. Its a form of slavery, putting a gun to someones head to pay for someone to be indoctrinated by the “oh so wonderful all encompassing state”. Its ironic how many govt school teachers send there kids to private schools because they know how catastrophically destructive govt schools are. That and the main fact the free market can education children far far better in many respects. Proivate schols are actually less expensive than govt schools. The average private schools cost at most $4-5,000 (unless its a boarding school) and the average govt school is about $7-8,000. Thats also not to mention in inner city schools the average cost of attendance a year is $13-14,000 for a single kid. Not all kids have an equal intelligence. Like adults, not all are are good at the same things so they shouldnt be treated like that. Some children that are very book smart might go onto college and even graduate school and some kids dont mentally have what it takes to get into high school. Its purely wrong to force kids to go to school which is what our compulsory laws mandate now. Private schools can educate children in many ways-different times of the day, different days of the week, year round or just certain season, and some these schools can decide who can be allowed and who can study what. Some schools can focus on certain subjects like social studies and kids that are good at math and science can focus on this subjects. What about the poor? Like I said, govt schools are in all actuality more $$$ than private options. Plus people that are in true povery can use private charity ran organization for their chldren to go to school. Loans can also be taken out for schooling and companies could pay for it. Government education is the antithesis of economic freedom, individual responsiblity, and its too sad that too many parents send the greatest thing tyhey haver-their children off to the govt everyday to be indoctrinated. Government schools are a sign of socialism, tyranny, aand leads to a poorly miseducated public all sold under “the common good.”

  • @Mark
    “I somehow cant comprehend how ignorant and miseducated you socialists are. That and the fact you want everything done like government indoctrination (under the guise of education) at the point of a gun. You have 100% absolutely no right in forcing me to pay for some idiots kid being force fed everything by some government bureaucrat.” – I’m not a socialist Mike, But I’m all for Universal Healthcare and Universal Education. Because somethings should not be for profit. No one is requiring you to send your kid to a public school or asking you to pay for theirs. I also do not support “Government Indoctrination” as part of the school curriculum.

    “That and the main fact the free market can education children far far better in many respects. Proivate schols are actually less expensive than govt schools. The average private schools cost at most $4-5,000 (unless its a boarding school) and the average govt school is about $7-8,000. Thats also not to mention in inner city schools the average cost of attendance a year is $13-14,000 for a single kid.” – Man there are so many holes in your logic I barely know where to begin. You want every one to pay 5k per year per kid for education.

    “What about the poor? Like I said, govt schools are in all actuality more $$$ than private options. Plus people that are in true povery can use private charity ran organization for their chldren to go to school. Loans can also be taken out for schooling and companies could pay for it.” – How is a poor single mother of 3 suppose to pay 15k per year when she only makes 23k per year. I agree that the school system needs to be reformed, but ending public education is a mistake. Do you think those loans are cheap or free. To take out loans to pay for school would drive the cost up to 10k (Interest on long term loans is high) per year per student to pay those loans off. You want to shackle people with that kind of debt. (120k) per kid for a 1st-12th grade education. That is another house note!! Can you afford 2 mortgages? And if they can’t then they simply should remain uneducated. As for charity – if the people in the community are of your opinion then who will help these people? I sure can’t see you helping them.

    “Its ironic how many govt school teachers send there kids to private schools because they know how catastrophically destructive govt schools are. That and the main fact the free market can education children far far better in many respects. Proivate schols(Private Schools) are actually less expensive than govt schools.” – As for teachers sending their kids to private school, I’ve only know one teacher that did this, and she was a Catholic who sent her kid to a Catholic school. So I beg you to show me the stats that support this argument. Also Private schools are cheaper to run because the have to do less. They do not have to provide for handicap, ADD or any other problems that many public schools face. You are comparing Apples to Banana’s. Private Schools get to pick and choose who they let in, Public schools do not have this privilege. We need to give schools the right to remove disruptive students and those who don’t speak English as a primary language.

    “Like adults, not all are are good at the same things so they shouldn’t be treated like that. Some children that are very book smart might go onto college and even graduate school and some kids don’t mentally have what it takes to get into high school. Its purely wrong to force kids to go to school which is what our compulsory laws mandate now.” – I suppose you would prefer to have them working the factories and shops like in Mexico or China. I agree not every child has the ability to be as good as everyone else. But to deny them the right to try is simply wrong! At what point to we give up on them? Let use say for a minute that you have your way – when do you propose we give up and label a child a failure and turn them over to the workforce?

  • “I’m not a socialist Mike, But I’m all for Universal Healthcare and Universal Education.”
    I hate to have to tell you, but universal healthcare and universal education ARE socialist programs. Look up the word “socialist” in the dictionary and tell me they don’t fit. Don’t try to say you’re not a socialist just because you don’t like the negative connotations of the word.

    “No one is requiring you to send your kid to a public school or asking you to pay for theirs.”
    Oh really? Please tell me where I should go to get back all of those tax dollars, then.

    “I also do not support “Government Indoctrination” as part of the school curriculum.”
    If you support government funding, then you also support government indoctrination. It’s the golden rule: He who has the gold makes the rule.

    “You want every one to pay 5k per year per kid for education.”
    NEWSFLASH! You are ALREADY paying over $10K per year per kid for education. You think the money for public schools materializes out of thin air? The average public school costs taxpayers $10,000 per child, per year.

    “How is a poor single mother of 3 suppose to pay 15k per year when she only makes 23k per year.”
    First off, if you can’t afford three kids, don’t have them. Secondly, the poor are the ones who would benefit most from privatizing the education system. The rich can afford to send their kids wherever they like, but the poor cannot. However, if you stop paying for school via taxes, then the poor wind up with more money in their pocket and the choice of where to send their children. Not only that, but they actually come out ahead, because private schooling is *cheaper* than public schooling, once you factor out the tax cost. There are also other alternatives to paid private schooling, such as non-profit schools and parent co-ops. Both of these options would put poor families ahead by putting more money in their pockets (reduced taxes) and allowing them to be personally involved in their children’s education.

    “Also Private schools are cheaper to run because the have to do less. They do not have to provide for handicap, ADD or any other problems that many public schools face.”
    Private schools are cheaper to run because they have accountability. They have to watch how much money they spend, unlike public schools who are encouraged to spend every penny they get. Also, just because schools are private, you should not assume that they don’t face the same or more difficult challenges as those that public schools face. My wife is a teacher at a non-profit private school. She teaches deaf children who cannot go to public school because they have neither the staff nor the facilities to effectively teach these children. In fact, public schools contract with her private school specifically so that they will not have to deal with these children. So, please tell me again how public schools have it so bad, and private schools have it so easy. That simply is not the case.

    “Private Schools get to pick and choose who they let in, Public schools do not have this privilege. We need to give schools the right to remove disruptive students and those who don’t speak English as a primary language.”
    Make up your mind. Either a school is public, in which case they need to take care of everyone’s needs, or it is private, and can choose who to admit. You can’t have it both ways.

    “I agree not every child has the ability to be as good as everyone else. But to deny them the right to try is simply wrong!”
    You do not have a right to an education. Education is a privilege, not a right. But that is beside the point. The real issue here is: What gives better results, public or private education? The answer is private education. The fact that private facilities can also do it more cheaply is just a bonus.

    Until we privatize education, remove the Washington bureaucracy, and put the control back into the hands of parents our schools will continue to fail.

    http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-334396417075479055

  • Every culture has to educate their children in order for that culture to survive. Giving that job to the government in an industrial economy has definite advantages (primarily to business and secondarily to government itself) over informal schooling in each household. Eventually, government schooling gets big enough and pervasive enough that it approximates a “one size fits all” Procrustian bed—and this is true even when dedicated teachers and administrators bend over backwards to try and accomodate the natural diversity among their charges and their families.

    On average, and compared to a central government educational bureaucracy, parents are in a much better situation to determine what is best for their children. Across the nation or across each state, determine what the average cost of educating a child is and issue vouchers for that value for every child. The parents (together with the input from the children as they get older) select whatever public, private, home or religious school they think will serve their children best—NOT what will serve the government best! The government or school district administration sends the voucher (paid for by the same tax base used by the current educational system) to the selected schools and the kids go off to school. Any child who fails a school year loses their voucher which then has to be paid back either by the parents for minors or by the child after they have reached majority.

    Parents who want their children to go to elite, expensive schools simply write a check for the balance not covered by the voucher. Children who go to schools that cost less than the voucher value have the balance not used deposited by the school district into a bank account that they gain access to at age 22.

    Parents of children with learning disabilities get their children certified as such and then can apply for a learning disability voucher for their handicapped children. This could be a supplement to the standard voucher or an entirely separate voucher that reflects the greater expense of schooling a child with learning disabilities.

  • Ridiculous – if you were inside the educational system you’d know how sorry it as become. It’s about making money, pushing students through even though there not qualified or ready. It’s money and government that has caused the fall of education in America and if you think otherwise then you are not privy to the same information educators have.
    We are a failing mess and it’s because of the U.S. Government.

  • I have a very real problem, my 14 year old daughter is being harrassed by 2 boys in one of her classes,the problem is, they actually laid a hand on her this time , these boys may think they have gotten away with something, because of course the teacher never saw it, I am making damn sure this gets reported and they never touch her again. Because they wont graduate to touching her more inappropriately in the future. I have my teeth in this and im NOT going to let go.

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