Guess who backs the ’80 percent solution’?

A little more than a week ago, the administration leaked word that some Bush administration officials support something called the “80 percent solution” in Iraq. Basically, the plan is to take sides in the civil war, and back the Shiite majority over the Sunni minority.

By any reasonable estimation, it’s a very bad idea. For one thing, if we’re going to take sides and give up on Bush’s vision of a unified Iraqi government, we might as well leave and instead of helping with the massacre of 20% of Iraq’s population. For that matter, it’s the ideal way to alienate the region’s Sunni governments (including Egypt, Saudi Arabia, and Jordan).

When the WaPo first reported that the administration was taking this approach seriously, it was not altogether clear who actually supported the idea. Now we know. Take a wild guess who thinks this is wise.

On the political front, the administration is focusing increasingly on variations of a “Shiite tilt,” sometimes called an “80 percent solution,” that would bolster the political center of Iraq and effectively leave in charge the Shiite and Kurdish parties that account for 80 percent of Iraq’s 26 million people and that won elections a year ago.

Vice President Cheney’s office has most vigorously argued for the “80 percent solution,” in terms of both realities on the ground and the history of U.S. engagement with the Shiites, sources say. A source familiar with the discussions said Cheney argued this week that the United States could not again be seen to abandon the Shiites, Iraq’s largest population group, after calling in 1991 for them to rise up against then-President Saddam Hussein and then failing to support them when they did. Thousands were killed in a huge crackdown.

First, wasn’t Dick Cheney the Secretary of Defense in 1991? What, is he feeling guilty now?

Second, who else could be behind such a bad idea?

According to today’s WaPo, the Bush administration doesn’t much care about the ISG report, and instead is focusing on three possible options to “redefine the U.S. military and political engagement” in Iraq.

The first involves sending up to 30,000 additional troops in the short term to “secure Baghdad.” The second would step back from Iraq’s civil war and begin focusing attention on al Qaeda in Iraq. And the third is Dick Cheney’s “80 percent” approach.

Matt Yglesias’ point from a week ago is still persuasive.

What we’re seeing here is the “perverse desire to win” of musical fame. Insofar as you want to obtain “victory” in Iraq, it becomes necessary not to devise a strategy to accomplish our goals, which can’t be done, but rather to define a set of goals such that they can be accomplished. Hence the appeal of an “80 percent strategy,” a.k.a. James Kurth’s “Crush the Sunnis” plan. But even if we could make this “work” (which is at least possible though, I would argue, actually pretty unlikely) what would we thereby achieve? Certainly not the Iraqi model of pre-war dreams. Indeed, it seems to me that in this case more rubble would bring more trouble, as the cross-national Sunni Arab majority comes to agree with Osama bin Laden that the United States is waging vicious war against them and theirs and that every good Muslim’s duty is to fight back.

I still find it hard to believe Cheney or anyone else could seriously believe taking sides in Iraq’s civil war would be a good idea, and yet, here we are. The Bush gang never ceases to amaze, do they.

First, wasn’t Dick Cheney the Secretary of Defense in 1991? What, is he feeling guilty now?

LOL, this is like totally a trick question, right?

  • Bush Crime Family policy: when you’ve dug yourself into a hole, dig deeper. If it were just them I’d sit back and laugh at the show, but it’s our money and our lives they’re playing with. I know there’s little taste for impeachment, suddenly (a mystery to me, frankly), but does anybody care at all about all these “high crimes and misdemeanors”? And if policies like these don’t qualify, I can’t imagine anything ever qualifying. It would be so easy to can Cheney/Bush and install Pelosi. Other people believe in Santa Claus; I can at least dream of a mature America.

  • Who says these guys aren’t looking for a “graceful exit?” Now the reason we are in Iraq is to pull a MacArtheresque “I have returned” moment for the Shiites and Kurds who thought we had abandoned them 15 years ago. See, all this time we were just plotting our return to save their butts after all. We never left them twisting in the wind, it just took us some time to get back to Baghdad.

    That should wrap everything in a nice, neat bow: someone wins, someone loses and tens of egos in Washington are saved. Let the killings begin.

  • So Cheney wants to take sides with the minority Shiites, just because they’re in the majority in Iraq? And, since most of the regimes friendlier to us are Sunni, they want to alienate them? I’m stumped. All the solutions I can think of involve going back in time and pouring Bush one more drink when he was 40 and threatening sobriety.

    I can understand why Bush isn’t reality-based. I wouldn’t want to live in the reality that the Bushes create. Oh wait. I do!

  • So Dick Cheney wants us to ally with the group of fuckwits who constitute TEN PERCENT OFTHE TOTAL MUSLIM POPULATION OF THE WORLD, a decision that is sure to piss off THE NINETY PERCENT of Muslims on the planet who are Sunnis, thus GUARANTEEING the worldwide jihad these fucking morons say they are working to prevent???????????

    Excuse me, Vice President Quarter-wit, but have you recently checked on the religious preferences of EVERY MUSLIM YOU EVER DID BUSINESS WITH who has control of resources we need access to?

    What will these compleat idiots do the day EVERY oil producing country on the planet that has a Sunni-run government decides to cut us off????

    We are now at the point where the rest of the world needs to ally against us the way the world allied against Hitler 60 years ago. And for the same reasons. I never thought we would get to that point.

  • The 80 percent solution was tried in Rwanda wasn’t it? Genocide sounds like another name for okaying the murder of a minority group. Maybe that is too harsh and the newer phrase, “ethnic cleansing” would be a more accurate description of Pencil Dick Cheney’s 80 percent solution. Clinton said one of his biggest regrets is that he didn’t do more to stop the bloodshed in Rwanda and our current administration is considering actively supporting a similar policy. War criminals to the core.

  • Anyone who backs a plan with the word “Solution,” that involves killing a particular group of people is FUCKED UP. The same goes for whoever thought of that disgusting little phrase. I’m sure they thought it was cutesy, which is fine. I think taking a rock along someone’s head if tee-hee funny. And I’m sure the news this [m]Admin. is contemplating such a step will go a long way to calming things down over there and not send people into “Get them before they get you,” survival mode.

    It also raises the interesting question of how the soldiers will tell the 80% from the 20%. “Everyone who is Sunni raise your hands, we’re uh…giving free bullets to all Sunnis!”

    I know I’ve argued before that comparing this Admin. to the Third Reich is stupid and hysterical.

    I take it back.

  • Doesn’t ring true in the least. Bush and Co are famously in bed with the Saudis. Cheney was called over there just a few weeks ago to get his marching orders. And now we’re supposed to believe that these guys are going to go against the Saudi’s friends? Sorry – na ga happen.

  • Why is this debate so familiar? Maybe it reminds me of those very serious discussion by DC insiders about how we had to invade Iraq? Or perhaps my sense of deja vu harkens to when these same wise men of Washington discussed, very seriously, the complex nuances of when and how to torture?

    Perhaps I shouldn’t be surprised that these same, very serious centrists are now debating, very seriously and civilly (that’s so important!) the 80 percent solution? And so we move from needless war, to Abu Ghraib, to genocide; after all, can 100 percent of our chattering class possibly be wrong? AGAIN? Even monkeys banging at typewriters will eventually come up with Shakespeare, won’t they?

    It seems to me the Iraqis can exterminate the minority just fine without our help, but we couldn’t exactly claim credit for resolving the situation if we let the Iraqis do all the killing, now,could we? Bush must save face!

    Still, I can’t help thinking that after the Rwandans got all that killing out of their systems with their own version of the 80 percent solution, all of Central Africa, most notably the Congo, got drawn into the conflict. Killing Kurds didn’t exactly pacify those folks. Jews tend not to forget the Holocaust. That’s the problem with genocide; a couple always escape the gas chambers, and they tend to harbor resentment. But what do I know? I’m one of those naive idealists with my head in the sand who thinks there are such things as morals and lines that ought not be crossed, even if we do carry the big stick.

    Good thing Nazi analogies are no longer part of polite, civil discourse. We wouldn’t want to appear extreme.

  • “Basically, the plan is to take sides in the civil war, and back the Shiite majority over the Sunni minority..”

    You made a mistake in your analysis. The Sunni population is something like 35%, not 20%, of Iraq’s population.

    “On the political front, the administration is focusing increasingly on variations of a “Shiite tilt,” sometimes called an “80 percent solution,” that would bolster the political center of Iraq and effectively leave in charge the Shiite and Kurdish parties that account for 80 percent of Iraq’s 26 million people and that won elections a year ago

    That 80% is the results of the elections, and does not divide evenly along religious lines.

    Although the 20% are all Sunni, the fact that most Kurds are Sunni offsets the idea of a 20% minority. It’s the 20% Arab Sunni who are being shafted.

    Since many of those Sunni were Ba’athists with bloody hands, some of them deserve punishment, though criminal courts could have handled that, had Bremer not pulled the pin on the civil war grenade by his first order (disbanding the military and police that OUR military had planned on using to bolster their deficient deployment, which they were forced into by Rumsfeld).

  • Could the fact that aQ is largely Sunni be at work? — beep52, @5

    But does Cheney know it? Bush has said long ago he didn’t, and now Reyes doesn’t appear to, either.

    Maybe someone could suggest to this malAdministration that by supporting Shiites we look like we’re appeasing Iran, despite all our spouting hot-air fountains of “we’re not gonna talk to them”?

    […] Iraq’s 26 million people — CB

    That may have been the number before we invaded but it ain’t no more. One way or another, half a million managed to get themselves killed and over 2 million (those who can afford it) have fled and continue to flee. So nobody knows how many people there are there now or how many there will be in a year or two; for some peculiar reason, there seems to have been no census taken recently.

    And… It may not yet be the official “stance”, but we’re already taking the side of the Shias. Look where we’re killing the most Iraqis. Look at how hard we’re pressing Maliki to contain the militias…

  • Cheney wants the US to back the Shiites? That’s not surprising. The bastard has never seen an ethnic cleansing he did not like.

    No wonder the Saudi (read Sunni) princes summonned him to Riyad! I hope they pounded some sense (i.e., threatened to cut off his oil royalties) into his head.

  • If this idea was bad before, now that Cheney supports it I know it actaully, in point of fact, worse. This man has gotten exactly zero right. This idea needs to be strangled. Quickly. Especially now that Cheney is on “board.”

  • “80 percent solution…would bolster the political center of Iraq…”

    Now there’s a joke. Just since when have either major party of the Shi’a qualified as part of the political center?

    I’d sooner rip the country apart and give the pieces away then back the Badr Brigades and the Sadr Army in their genocide.

  • So instead of talking to the Ayatollahs per Baker’s suggestion, Cheney wants to go fight a war alongside them.

    I’m torn between three responses to this:

    1.) Another Halliburton home-run?

    2.) Dick Cheney, taking his cues on foreign policy from Tehran.

    3.) After Mary got basted, Grampa Dick found moral clarity and figured, “if you can’t beat ’em, join ’em.”

  • Actually, if Shithead and company are willing to do something this reprehensible to pursue a policy that is so patently unworkable, they really ought to do something equally reprehensible which would have an actual chance of success, like getting directly involved in the Iraqi Civil War on the side of whichever faction is losing, (currently the Sunnis) then switching sides as soon as our erstwhile allies gain the upper hand. By throwing our military power in with the weakest faction, we ensure that they’ll be sufficiently dependant upon us to at least do as they’re damned well told, which Maliki is clearly not doing. And we’ll also always be beating down on the greater threat. After a few years of this, either all sides will get together against us (creating the Unified Iraq we’re always carping on about…BTW, Bush could then present this as evidence that he really is a uniter, not a divider), or both the Sunnis and the Shiites would be so weakend that the Kurds, as their reward for not causing us too much trouble, could occupy the entire country on our behalf. All this policy would cost us is the integrity of our nation, the respect of the world, and a few thousand more of our soldiers. Small price to pay to save Bush/Cheney’s face.

  • A fat lot you communist sissy liberals know about how to start a fight! Rummy was no doubt once one of them kids what was good at gettin’ two other guys to duke it out for his entertainment. You tell ONE side that you is their pal and tell ’em all the shit what has been said about them by the other side. Then you tell the OTHER side that the FIRST side thinks they sisters is whores — and DISCOUNT ones, at that! Then you sits back and watches the fun.

    What part of this time-honored diplomatic technique is CONFUSIN’ you idjits?

  • I propose the 40% solution: siding with the Sunnis and the Kurds.

    Siding with the Shiia makes absolutely no sense, We’d be siding with the people who are intent on committing genocide on the Sunni first, and then on the Kurds after that. It would also put us on the side that has many ties with, and is partially directed by, the Iranians.

    We should move our forces out of Baghdad to Anbar and other Sunni provinces, offer the Sunnis protection from Shiia genocide if they stop attacking coallition forces and turn over all foreign fighters in their area. We tell Sunni Syria that we will keep the Shiia and the Iranians from their border if they stop the flow of foreign fighters, discontinue allowing aid to Hezzbolah, and move to forming a peace with Israel. Maybe they will see that the real threat to them does not come from the West and Israel, but from the East and Iran.

    We tell the Sunni Saudis and the other oil states that if they want us to protect their fellow Sunnis and be a buffer for them with the Iranians, they should open the oil spigots, stop supporting Wahabiism, and fund our efforts in Iraq.

  • WHAT are you stupid fucking fat ass lazy americans talking about? This is not a genocide on Sunnis by Shias. You people are so stupid, Shias only make 10 to 15 % of the entire muslim population. The Shia Iraqis are surrounding by 26 Sunni nations, If anyone is committing genocide on anyone, it is the Sunni Muslim world killing Shias, over 75% of the people who are killed in car bombs and suicide bombs in Iraq are SHIA IRAQIS, not the troops , not the kurds and NOT the 17% sunni arab Iraqis, who are either with the iraqi shias or with Alqeada or are Baathist Saddam loyalists. Abu Musab Al zarqawi from Jordan and Hamza Al Masree from Egypt and Shiek ABdallah bin Jibreen from Saudi, are all foreign Sunni militants who have been encourging, promoting and funding the slaughter of the iraqi shias mainly because they refuse to allow shias to govern themselves or participate in a government. Egypt was once a Shia nation that was invaded by Sunnis who forced the Shia egyptians to convert or die, many people were slaughtered but today Egypt is a sunni nation. The nation of Bahrain is 85% Shia, but is goverened by a Sunni Monarchy that keeps them oppressed unemployed and in poverty, if they were to revolt then the monarchy has the support of 26 surrounding sunni nations that will never let them get away with it. Check your facts brainwashed idiot Americans.

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