Haggard admits to ‘some’ of the claims

Just to follow up briefly on yesterday’s news, Ted Haggard’s defense changed rather dramatically over night. Accused of paying for gay sex and using illegal drugs, the evangelical leader initially denied wrongdoing. Then the story changed a bit.

After Pastor Ted Haggard went public Wednesday night denying allegations of a homosexual affair, senior church officials told KKTV 11News Thursday evening, Pastor Ted Haggard has admitted to some of the claims made by a former male escort. The church’s Acting Senior Pastor, Ross Parsley, tells KKTV 11 News that Pastor Haggard has admitted to some of the indiscretions claimed by Mike Jones, but not all of them.

Some“? One of the nation’s most influential conservative Christian leaders is accused of some rather surprising and scandalous behavior, but “some” of the “indiscretions” are true?

Haggard resigned from his church last night, saying he could “not continue to minister under the cloud created by the accusations.” He suggested he’d return, however, after he’d been cleared. It now seems like a safe bet that this isn’t going to happen. Jimmy Swaggart managed a comeback, but he wasn’t gay.

The WaPo’s Alan Cooperman suggested that the Haggard scandal may have political implications, beyond just the evangelical leaders’ close ties to the Bush White House.

Some political observers said his resignation was more bad news for Republicans trying to rally their conservative Christian base to turn out for the midterm elections.

“This is one more factor that could increase the disillusionment of evangelicals with prominent leaders on the Christian right and with the political process as a whole, and some may conclude that perhaps their forebears were wise to be wary about politics,” said William Martin, a professor of religion and public policy at Rice University and a biographer of the Rev. Billy Graham.

Perhaps. The rank-and-file evangelical base certainly has reason to be disillusioned by the leaders in which they’ve invested their trust. Republicans in Congress won’t pass their agenda (banning gay marriage and abortion); Republicans in the White House think they’re crazy (let’s not forget David Kuo); several evangelical leaders on TV are crazy (Robertson, Falwell, et al); while others fall short of the standards they demand others meet (Haggard).

In Colorado, in particular, Haggard is a household name, at least as far as Christians go. How many of those evangelical families will feel so disillusioned on Tuesday that they’ll just stay home? Time will tell, of course, but I wouldn’t be surprised if the numbers are rather high.

On a more humorous note, I thought Wolcott’s take on the controversy was pretty damn funny.

There’s a tender scene in John Waters’ film Pecker in which a hunky young stud, engaged in the act (nay, art) of tea bagging, explains to his aghast parents that he’s not really gay, he’s what’s known as ‘trade’–“Guys blow me!” he explains above the din of the bar. Ah, Baltimore.

I wonder if the toothy founder of the New Life Church and president of the National Association of Evangelicals, the mesmerizing Ted Haggard, fell under the spell of trade, the pagan rhythm of tea bagging beating like a tom tom on his brow. I wonder, not because I’m prurient, but because the mysterious currents of human nature fascinate me so. And because it confirms my suspicion that all Republican men are privately, passionately, exceedingly gay. According to this exciting morsel, Haggard took part in weekly conference calls with President Bush — “he and the president like to joke that the only thing they disagree on is what truck to drive.”

‘What truck to drive’ — I wonder if that is some kind of cryptic butch gay Western lingo. It’s a shame Will & Grace is no longer on the air to provide enlightenment on such matters, leaving us to forage on our own.

Stay tuned.

I’m sure his congregation will be understanding about him being only partly a gay whoremonger. Not.

  • “…but “some” of the “indiscretions” are true?” – CB

    Sure, he missed a couple of months with his toy boy because of the press of business.

    I wish that this would in fact have political ramifications, but for it to I think someone has to explain to THE BASE that following leaders who engage themselves in political matters always leads to this kind of conduct. That might work with True Christians. Explain that they should insist that their leaders stick to pastorial efforts, feeding the hungery, caring for the sick and comforting the widowed, and leave politics alone.

    But for the Theocratic Reactionaries? They have to get into politics because, after all, that’s part of the definition of their being. Theocracy works only if you try to twist the political system to enforce policies you define as God’s Will. Once you give up on that idea, you either become a True Christian or just go a wallow in your own self-righteousness.

  • Let the feeding frenzy begin. This will suck the air out of the news for a while, which (donning tinfoil hat) may be exactly the point..

    Personally, I would rather have the news cycle consumed by the Bush administration’s release of nuclear bomb plans onto the internets, and their failure to correct same for a week after being notified of their screwup.

  • Surprising? Why? It doesn’t surprise me . Hhomophobes are homophobes for a reason, they hate themselves.

  • And in our exclusive interview, when asked by a Colorado reporter how these new admissions fit with his outspoken activism against gay rights in the state, Haggard replied “the only rights those gay men need is the right to service me for money!”

  • Racerx–don’t forget the firing, by Congressional Republicans, of the only person performing oversight occuring in Iraq. That can’t go over well with independents/moderates who are already pissed about the war. Ads on that should be out ASAP.

  • The rank-and-file evangelical base certainly has reason to be disillusioned by the leaders in which they’ve invested their trust. Republicans in Congress won’t pass their agenda (banning gay marriage and abortion)…

    In fairness, Republicans did try to ban gay marriage, but they didn’t have enough votes. And they did ban some types of abortion; they just didn’t try the South Dakota whole-hog gambit. If I was an evangelical base voter, I’d blame Democrats for these failures.

    I’d probably also blame Democrats for turning Republican politicians & ministers gay, but then that’s why I’m not an evangelical.

  • Let the feeding frenzy begin. This will suck the air out of the news for a while, which (donning tinfoil hat) may be exactly the point..

    Personally, I would rather have the news cycle consumed by the Bush administration’s release of nuclear bomb plans onto the internets, and their failure to correct same for a week after being notified of their screwup.

    I agree this may be a distraction from the more pressing news — the Bush administration posting plans for nuclear weapons (in Arabic no less) on the Internet for one. But look at the Mark Foley scandal. It buried news of Iraq and Karl Rove’s assistant resigning due to Abramhoff ties, and the Republicans were still badly hurt. This is in the same vein. It cast conservative Christians in a bad light, and it’s bound to disgust some voters enough that they’ll stay away from the polls. On the other hand, conservative Christians seem to be able to ignore the glaring inconsistencies and hypocrisy their peculiar brand of faith creates, so who knows?

    This may give Republicans breathing room before Tuesday. But really, do they really want to spend the remaining time discussing a conservative anti-gay pastor and Republican ally who’s essentially admitted to using the services of gay hookers or methamphetamine?

  • Another day.
    Another power fetish.
    Another turd down history’s toilet bowl.

    If Haggard the Shagger tries to play the Confused Closet Case card I hope someone corrects his dental problems with a rock.

    tAiO

    Gloating? I’m not gloating? I always chortle like this.

  • Any pictures of Haggard and Bush together? I did a quick Google, and couldn’t find any.

    Still, the “weekly conference calls” with Bush certainly ties Haggard to Bush enough for a general public reference, for now.

    Also, this story seems to trump NYT nuclear bomb story, for the time being, but I feel the NYT story has a greater cast of characters that can be researched and reported on in the next few days.

  • Perhaps the GOP could start purging the influence of these right wing nuts after their hypocracy is slowly being revealed.

  • “Perhaps the GOP could start purging the influence of these right wing nuts after their hypocracy is slowly being revealed.”

    Would that be the hypocricy of the GOP, or just of the right wing nuts (which are pretty inseparabble any more, for all intents and purposes))?”

    Won’t leave much of a party. In the organizational sense or the celebratory sense.

  • “Perhaps the GOP could start purging the influence of these right wing nuts after their hypocracy is slowly being revealed.” – JRS Jr.

    And thus assume once again it’s proper place as the minority party in this country.

    Why, even dear JRS here would rather vote for a (sort of) Democrat than the nominee of his own party 😉

  • “Why, even dear JRS here would rather vote for a (sort of) Democrat than the nominee of his own party”

    Yes Lance, some folks in this country have a mind of their own and look to vote across party lines vs. strictly making their decisions under the direction of their party leadership or based on a small percentage of primary voters’ decision.

    I know that is difficult for some of you rabid partisans to understand. But please tell me what’s it like being a very small part of a large herd of sheep, Lance?

  • so what’s the biggest threat to marriage – a same-sex couple in love who wish to commit their lives to each other or sanctimonious self-serving hypocrites like this one who regularly commit adultery in private while preaching hate in public?

  • Yes Lance, some folks in this country have a mind of their own and look to vote across party lines vs. strictly making their decisions under the direction of their party leadership or based on a small percentage of primary voters’ decision.

    Since Republicans won’t back the GOP candidate and instead favors of Joementum, that’s all JRS Jr. needs to know. He’s voting Joementum!

    Sorry, what was that about rabid partisans following the large herd, Junior?

  • Now that he is outed, assuming he does have a true call to the ministry, he can now stop being a hypocrite and join or form a gay tolerant church. This might be a good thing all around.

  • @ 17 DDD.

    Funny you should ask. I managed to choke my way through a piece on this very subject in the National Respew. The columnist says the hypocrite fetishist is the better man because he at least tries to do the “right” thing (it is always Right to preach hate) and if he backslides (no pun intended) from time to time, the “good” work he does more than compensates for time spent with boy toys. In other words, talking a good game is all it takes to win over a thick-skulled SFBs.

    I guess that’s not a surprising position for these nitwits to take.

  • So he cops to the crank allegation while feigning ignorance of the gay hooker angle, all is forgiven. All that I’ve seen, and heard, this morning indicates a crank deal, and a poorly done one at that. I smell a rat.

    I’ve always been rather tolerant when it comes to these evangelical cults, but evangelicals on crank really concerns me. And while it didn’t surprise me, to learn that some of these cult congregations number in excess of fifteen thousand attendies is really rather frightening to this product of the cold war. That’s an arena. Our major entertainment are arena. The political process were are currently undergoing is a freaking arena event.

    Why does the post-war classic The Sound of Music keep coming to mind?

  • I think when the truth comes out, we’ll find that Haggard only visited this male prostitute 35 times, not 36. That’s what some means.

  • Brainiac, this will be my 3rd vote for Joe, which means I voted for him for Senator when you were humping him with his Dem VP candidacy in 2000!

  • Let’s not pick on JRSJr. He normally only raises his voice to tell us how strong the economy is. This effort to comment on a social issue is a new development and I, for one, am happy to have him. That said…

    The rabid partisan label you have slapped on all of us really fits better on the GOP. The irony is that your initial comment shows you do not understand who the sheep are. The GOP shakes the hand of Jesus while exploiting them for their political gain.

    Most people here want change. We all may share many views on many issues but that does not mean we are in lock-step and does not mean we are sheep. The way a minority party works is by exploiting errors and differences of opinion/view from the majority.

    Just because your ballot may include people of different partys, you are not any better (or worse) than Lance or anyone else. Everyone of my ballots since I started voting has included at least one vote for a Third Party Candidate. In fact I have voted for candidates that are Dems, Repubs, Greens, and Independents. We are unified on this site in destroying the GOP as it currently exists. Period.

  • I saw the news that he resigened before I read any comments and other follow up. When I saw that I knew some/all of the allegations had to be true. No matter what part of “some” is, it is exceedingly hypicritical. I don’t like to pile on some in a bad situation because that much self hate and living in denial/closet has got to be psychologically damaging, but…. he did set himself up for a mighty fall.

  • “I didn’t have sex with that man Mr. Jones”

    That’ll be his defense. After all, if you don’t have an orgasm in an orifice, it doesn’t count, does it?

  • “Yes Lance, some folks in this country have a mind of their own and look to vote across party lines vs. strictly making their decisions under the direction of their party leadership or based on a small percentage of primary voters’ decision.
    I know that is difficult for some of you rabid partisans to understand. But please tell me what’s it like being a very small part of a large herd of sheep, Lance?”

    Talk about the kettle calling the pot black. Last time I checked, the republican controlled Congress were the flock clamoring around their fearless, although be it stupid, leader.

    I just love how republicans are now so willingly enlightened that they are crossing lines for ‘the greater good’, or even better yet, calling liberals part of the heard. I find that amazingly ironic or deceitfully pathetic or both.

    What a joke Republicans have made of themselves, they have no shame, no memory, and no understanding of their own blind ignorance.

  • “We are unified on this site in destroying the GOP as it currently exists”

    I might not be for “destroying” it, but certainly would like to see it get back to its roots of fiscal conservatism and leave the social agenda at the door. No need to tell you folks that this social conservative agenda movement pushed by right nut wing jobs has been a big mistake. My great hope is that next week’s election results allows the moderates of both parties (especially the GOP’s) to have a bigger voice in the election of 2008.

    More moderates means more rationality, more compromise and hopefully more progress in that rat hole called Washington DC.

    P.S. MNP, the unemployment rate is the lowest in 5 years, near its all time low, and wages are outpacing inflation since January. So things are by no means as bad as some folks on the left are painting.

  • I think JRS is correct:: they will have to purge if they are to survive. They need to purge the NeoCons and the “religious right.” That would allow a lot of independents to go back to the Republican Party.

  • As the Republicans increasingly gay soul is steadily revealed, might this not explain the absolute roles of dominance and submission in the current Republican male heirarchy?

  • Homosexual sex, then lying about it……HMMMMM sounds like Pastor Teddy Bear is off the charts on his sinometer. Expect a teary-eyed apology for sinning, then a trip to rehab…This is getting typical.

  • To get back to JRS jr’s orignal point, I think the GOP will purge itself in one of two ways: Intentionally, as he (?) suggests, by ordering all of the loons out of the “tent,” or unintentionally by driving all the sane folks away.

    I’d like to see a viable third party in this country before I die and this might do the trick. If the loons form their own party they would be amusing, albeit in a Devil’s Rejects sort of way. If the sane folks form a party I doubt I’d change my party affiliation but it would annoy whatever was left of the GOP.

    If they both formed parties they might fight and we could watch.

  • My great hope is that next week’s election results allows the moderates of both parties (especially the GOP’s) to have a bigger voice in the election of 2008.

    That’s an interesting thought (I wonder the way the GOP is currently set up if it can happen though) – so who are the GOP moderates that could play a bigger role in 2008? Somone like Susan Collins/Olympia Snowe? Rudy? Hegel? For some reason, GOP and “moderates” as a concept just doesn’t readily bring that many people to mind.

  • God is the crank of the rightwing masses.

    I still don’t like conservatives even if being tight-fisted with government money is their biggest concern. Are we now to live on a budget for the next 50 years to counter the damage Republican Bush has done to our finances. They want to cut social services to save money. That’s just another form of rascism, elitism and a screwed up view of what government is for. Socially responsible is as important as fiscally rsponsible.

  • I really can’t get my head around this JRS’s confusion about party primary democracy. Does he want the democrats to choose the Republican’ts presidential nominee in 2008?

    And yes, JRS, as others have noted you are the sheep, not I. And I’d beware of Ricky Santorum after November 7th if I were you. You know the Republican’ts problems with projection means that in all likelihood he’s fond of furry little beasties 😉

  • ‘s not pick on JRSJr. He normally only raises his voice to tell us how strong the economy is. This effort to comment on a social issue is a new development and I, for one, am happy to have him. That said…

    Well that’s not strictly true. He was parrotting Matt Drudge’s bullshit during the Mark Foley affair. “The Dems knew! It’s all a Dem plot!”

    Brainiac, this will be my 3rd vote for Joe, which means I voted for him for Senator when you were humping him with his Dem VP candidacy in 2000!

    What is it with you Republicans and humping guys all of the sudden?

  • I can’t help feeling that in microcosm treating JSR seriously because he made a semi-relevant point is what has happened to Dems in the macrocosm. Dems trying to work with Republicans who then stab them in the back.

    Not that there’s anything wrong with trying to have a dialogue with Republicans, but the next 2.5 years is going to be a war for our Nation’s soul. The less power the Repubs have the more accomodating they are. But as soon as they get a chance it’ll be another power grab and a race to fascism. We Dems have to set things right and it’s hard enough to do with our less than stellar leaders much less relying on Republican hypocrites

  • The bottom line is, and evangelicals of all people should know this, that there are no perfect people. Jesus was the only perfect person and he said himself that he came to judge no man. He further said that if we judge someone, we are actually judging ourselves. I think this current debacle in Colorado proves Jesus to be correct. I don’t think any of us care if the man had a homesexual relationship, nor should we. The only person it should matter to is his wife. It is his judgemental attitude that is so wrong, and now it turns out that he is not perfect. Substance abuse and illicit sex are common in the human condition. This man set himself as better than the rest of the humans, so that is why we are enjoying his fall so much.

  • JRS–
    Nice of you to label all of us as “rabid partisans” without any evidence whatsoever.

    I’ve never in my voting life (nearly 20 years) voted a straight party ticket. I’ve voted for John Danforth, Bob Dole, numerous third party candidates, and just generally whom I thought was the best person to do the job, regardless of party affiliation.

    This year, however, it will be different. Not because I’m sold on Democrats, but because I’m not a big fan of one party rule, and think that accountability, a fair wage, health care, checks and balances, and the Constitution are pretty important things … all of which have been tossed aside by the fuqtards running this country.

    So, please, next time, you might wanna make your brush a bit less broad while painting with it.

  • “The less power the Repubs have the more accomodating they are. But as soon as they get a chance it’ll be another power grab and a race to fascism.” – Dale

    Reminds me of the European Statesman’s assessment of the Germans:

    “The Hun is either at your feet or at your throat.”

    As long as the Unholy Alliance exists, there is really no reason to talk to Republican’ts. I’d let them submit amendments and attend conference meetings because that’s the rules, but outreach, not worth it.

  • JRS Jr. – for what it’s worth, thanks for the comments and keep on speaking your mind. That, to me, is what distinguishes all of us here from the rabble on the right who try to squelch any viewpoint and any person who has a different view or who speaks their mind. Dialogue and discourse are the way to finding a better way.

    For the record, I don’t necessarily disagree with (or at least vehemently disagree with) traditional conservative politics on certain issues, but to echo MNProgressive, I believe that the GOP as it is currently configured is destructive to this country.

    You mention that unemployment is down. Well, a broken clock is still right twice a day. In other words, that’s one statistic. You can’t just look at the Dow Jones and unemployment and think that means that the economy is strong. There are so many others that show that people are not earning the same wages in inflation adjusted dollars, that people don’t have health care, that people aren’t able to save for retirement, and even with some favorable economic news, that we are living on the equivalent of a credit card. If I blow through the limits on all my credit cards buying new furniture, cars, etc., I can look around and tell everybody how great I’m doing financially. Is it accurate? Of course not. One day, the chickens will come home to roost.

    Of course, I fear that as the Dems try to solve the problems that have been created by this administration, they will be criticized mercilessly. But make no mistake, the problems that this country will face in the coming decades have been made significantly worse by the complete and utter rejection of traditional conservative values. The neo-conservative movement is one of the worst political scourges this country has seen and the sooner traditional conservatives realize that, the sooner we can get back to putting this country on the right track.

    Unless of course, we’ve all been arrested as terrorist supporters and denied our habeas corpus rights, but that’s just common sense, no?

  • “Some” of the stuff may be true. I’ll tell you which ones after we find out which voice mails the dude in Denver saved. Anything not on tape is a damned lie. Okay?

  • “He was parrotting Matt Drudge’s bullshit during the Mark Foley affair. “The Dems knew! It’s all a Dem plot!”

    Correction: I simply asked the question if that Drudge report was true (which it wasn’t) would that change anything??

    “Nice of you to label all of us as “rabid partisans” without any evidence whatsoever.”

    Sorry, the phrase “you rabid partisans” was meant for specifically for my dear friend Lance in the same contect braniac said “what is it with you Republicans and humping guys all of the sudden”

  • From the link to Haggard’s website (provided by Steve):
    He graduated from Oral Roberts University.

    Of cooooourse he did. I guess time spent with male hookers is just part of a continuing education program.

    tAiO – too classy to make jokes about graduating cum laude/loaded/loudly.

  • The bottom line is, and evangelicals of all people should know this, that there are no perfect people. Jesus was the only perfect person and he said himself that he came to judge no man.
    comment by Gracious

    Dont’ forget Mohammed. More people think Mohammed was perfect than think Jesus was perfect.

    The belief in a perfect Jesus or Mohammed is the delusion that opens the door for thinking earthly leaders can be perfect. Perfect people are a fantasy and only fantasy people are perfect.

  • The bottom line is, and evangelicals of all people should know this, that there are no perfect people. Jesus was the only perfect person and he said himself that he came to judge no man.
    comment by Gracious

    Dont’ forget Mohammed. More people think Mohammed was perfect than think Jesus was perfect.

    The belief in a perfect Jesus or Mohammed is the delusion that opens the door for thinking earthly leaders can be perfect. Perfect people are a fantasy and only fantasy people are perfect.

  • So now Haggard’s admitting the truth and his accuser is failing a lie detector test. 🙂

    This prove Haggard is more of a Christian than a Republican. Republicans don’t feel enough guilt to make them confess. Only a prosecutor can get them to come clean.

    “I pled guilty on advice of counsel. That’s the last time I listen to a prosecutor.” Emo Phillips.

  • The belief in a perfect Jesus or Mohammed is the delusion that opens the door for thinking earthly leaders can be perfect. Perfect people are a fantasy and only fantasy people are perfect.
    Comment by Dale, Ds>Rs

    Good point, and certainly all we have are the historical writings pertaining to these two people, so it then is a matter of faith. The one thing we do know for sure is that their followers seem to be having problems working out their perfection. And, the bigger they are. . .

  • I dunno how long this will stay on the front page, and the pic is not included in the accompanying story, but check out the look on his wife’s face as he reveals his indiscretions to a reporter as the kids look on.
    http://www.rockymountainnews.com/

    Here’s the caption, to give you an idea:

    “Pastor Ted Haggard stops to answer questions from members of the media as he leaves his home with his wife Gayle and what are believed to be some of his five children. Haggard drew a silent stare from his wife when he told the gathered reporters that he received a massage from Mike Jones, a gay ex escort who contends he had a three-year sexual relationship with Haggard.”

  • Comments are closed.