Haggard’s new story is his best yet

[tag]Ted Haggard[/tag] hasn’t had a great 24 hours. He’s accused of having sex with a gay male prostitute and using methamphetamine, which forces him to give up his post with his ministry. Later, he acknowledges that “some” of the accusations are true, but he won’t say which. This morning, Haggard’s accuser takes a polygraph test and fails, which suggests Haggard probably made the wrong political move by having already acknowledged some “indiscretions” with the prostitute.

Today, Haggard has a new explanation, and lo and behold, he never really did anything wrong at all.

Evangelist Ted [tag]Haggard[/tag] admitted Friday that he bought methamphetamine and received a massage from a gay prostitute who claims he was paid for drug-fueled trysts by the outspoken gay marriage opponent. […]

He denied the sex allegations but told reporters outside his home that he did buy the meth because he was curious, but he said he threw it away.

“I bought it for myself but never used it,” he said. “I was tempted, but I never used it.”

Haggard, 50, said he never had sex with Mike Jones, a 49-year-old male prostitute who sparked the scandals when he told a radio station he had had a three-year sexual relationship with the minister.

Haggard said he did get a massage from Jones after being referred to him by a Denver hotel.

See? Haggard’s only lapse of judgment was buying meth, which he ended up discarding anyway. As for that “massage,” that wasn’t his fault; the gay prostitute was recommended by some hotel’s staff. It’s all just one big misunderstanding — no affair, no sex, no drug use. Just a curious evangelist who didn’t even take the drugs he bought.

OK, raise your hand if you believe Haggard.

“I bought it for myself but never used it,” he said. “I was tempted, but I never used it.”

Tell me this line will forever follow “I didn’t inhale”. Unreal.

  • Yeah and he only got half a hardon during that message.

    Haggard’s problem is that Republican’s have already used all the good excuses over and over. He’s like the 7th kid in the class to claim his dog ate his homework.

    “They were passing around the needle but I didn’t shoot all the way up. Just a small vein in my ankle. Then I went home and did a “Republican” on my wife.”

  • “Haggard said he did get a massage from Jones after being referred to him by a Denver hotel.”

    Of course I believe him. Can’t you just see the way it happened?

    “Excuse me, Pastor Haggard? This is the Four Seasons concierge. We just wanted to leave you the number of a local gay male prostitute whose “massage services” you may want to consider if you have a little free time. Just one of the many services that we provide here at the Four Seasons!”

    Doesn’t this happen to everyone??

  • His home-court audience sees no distinction between a glass of wine at dinner and a three-day binge in a crackhouse; no distinction between masturbating and dialing up a gay prostitute. All temptations are “perversions”–equal, and equally alien.

    But as a responsible citizen with a proud history of collegiate recreations, a powerful thirst for gin martinis, and an ability to see reality in grayscale, I must ask: How far out on the ragged edge must any 50-year-old man already be to be “curious” about methamphetamine, let alone actually buy some? How does he even know where to get it?!

    Really, it’s almost cute that he thinks this “explains” anything.

  • I buy crack cocain, just to get it off the streets, and I make hookers give me massages, just to fill up the slots that might be used by a John without my moral self control. I just wish my wife was as understanding as Haggard’s.

  • Bought drugs, but didn’t use them. Went to a prostitute, but just got a massage.

    Just like a baggin’ thumper. Bringing a knife to a gunfight.

  • “I bought it for myself but never used it,” he said. “I was tempted, but I never used it.”

    “In fact, I repeated this process of buying meth and throwing it away on many occasions, each time reaching the conclusion, ‘Yes, I am a man of God, and I can resist the temptation.’ I am quite the strong Christian in that regard.”

  • Oops. Oh, God… send in the clowns.
    Comment by Frak

    🙂 Really! They definitely are producing fierce invalids home from hot climates.

    #7Doesn’t this happen to everyone??

    Comment by Homer

    🙂 I thought the meth was in the mini-bar.

    Harrgard says, “I threw the meth away, besides I didn’t even have my works with me that day.” HIs vacation cabin is a trailor in the desert outside of Bakersfield.

  • This guy keeps getting himself in deeper and deeper. I guess he forgot the”false witness” thing. He is so worried about the gay thing and the drug thing that he fails to realize that his goose is cooked. It makes me wonder if these people believe in God at all.

  • Yeah. Massage. Cough, cough. (Sorry, something stuck in my throat.)

    Blatant lies and confessing to a serious crime aside, I’m still waiting to find out how a prostitute knew he bought meth. Did the hooker bring it as a little treat to go with his massage? And where the hell is Jeff Gannon these days?

  • God is just their “Get Out of Hell Free” card they always keep in their back pockets at all times– they can do anything, pray and ask for forgiveness, and they’re back in God’s good graces, heaven-bound. But the rest of us– we’re all going to hell unless we have the same theological beliefs that they do. No matter what kind of people we are, in their book Gandhi is in hell right now.

    And they wonder why so many of us think they are collectively delusional and wildly hypocritical, we don’t even need Haggard to see that.

  • C’mon Dale – the meth is in the mini-bar at the Hilton. Ya gotta pay for everything at the Four Seasons, including the gay male prostitute massages.

    So where does “I bought the meth because I was curious but I didn’t use it” rank against “I didn’t inhale.”??

  • God is just their “Get Out of Hell Free” card they always keep in their back pockets at all times– they can do anything, pray and ask for forgiveness, and they’re back in God’s good graces, heaven-bound.
    comment by Zoe Kentucky.

    Well said. They probably wear emergency id bracelets with instructions to notify Jesus that they’re sorry and still believe before they die. It’s the evangelical version of last rites.

  • So where does “I bought the meth because I was curious but I didn’t use it” rank against “I didn’t inhale.”??
    Comment by Homer

    🙂 It probably ranks with “I didn’t swallow.”

  • Just one of the many services that we provide here at the Four Seasons!”

    Comment by Homer

    Please don’t besmirch Haggard. He’s a great man. A man for all four seasons.

  • Imagine, you’re a bored, perhaps troubled nationally prominent televangilist, sitting in your hotel room.

    Would you…

    A. Go down to the hotel bar and maybe order a white wine spritzer
    B. Go down to the hotel bar and maybe order a white wine spritzer and hope that some pretty lady talks to you to make you feel a little less lonely
    C. Call a gay prostitute and arrange to purchase a specific dollar amount of crystal meth, buy the meth, throw the meth away, but still get a massage from him just for kicks.

    Or D…

    Call a gay prostitute, purchase a specific dollar amount of crystal meth, use the meth, get a massage from him and have sex with him.

    Who could possibly believe answer C?

  • It’s not like Haggard suggested people who are uneducated end up in the army! All he did was buy some illegal narcotics! I wonder what my wife would say if I was caught buying meth and getting massaged by a hooker. I’m sure as long as I explained I didn’t use the meth it would be like it never happened.

    Hasn’t this guy heard of gateway drugs? Who does from arrow straight to meth and how did he know to buy it from a gay hooker?

  • He’s telling the truth: it was a prostate massage, and he didn’t “use” the drugs, he “took” them.

  • Okay here’s trying to be ‘fair and balaned’. Some hotels do offer legitimate massage services. And many legitimate masseurs are male. Haggard, like many rich people, wanted a massage. The hotel sent the escort by mistake. The massage started under mistaken circumstances and the escort started hinting around about drugs. Haggard became curious and had the thought of experiencing the drug one time perhaps so he could relate to the young people at his church. He bought it and refused any further services beyond the massage. After he came to his senses he threw the drugs away. Now that might fly for one time, but if it was 18 times then it all falls apart.

  • Just remember: This isn’t any where as bad as a one minute call to a phone sex number. Tax payers weren’t burdened with Haggard’s Triumph of the Will.

    Oh wait, the hooker’s name is Mike.

    Never mind.

  • A “massage” … ? Is that what the kids call it nowadays? When I was growing up, we called it a “blowjob.”

    I dunno … maybe I should try that tonight with The Mrs.

    “But honey, it’s just a ‘massage’!”

    ** Line –> | ————————————–> Me **

  • So he was just buy-curious?

    I’ve got to say that Haggard’s excuse is one of the lamest stories I’ve ever heard. Even blaming alcohol and checking into a rehab center would have been a better response.

  • Sure I believe him. He specifically and clearly denied the claims yesterday, claiming he is just so happy in life and straight with his wife. Then he hears that there may be voice messages and other incriminating info. So he changes his story and says he did in fact perform some of the conduct he was accused of. Then the accuser blows a lie detector test. So he amends his mea culpa to buying but only to tempt himself and a massage. But he bought more than once–if he was so happy in life why was he tempted, who knows. Testing his super powers I guess. So, I guess we should give him the benefit of the doubt to go along with his rusty trombone.

  • Nothing too surprising about this one. Lie detectors are notorious for false readings, both as to truthfulness and falsehood. They are easy to manipulate, and even experts at reading them often make mistakes.

    I would also be curious as to the sympathies of the person(s) administering the test.

    In any case, Haggard is not making his situation any better. F—ing hypocrite. Serves him right.

  • The best part is that Ted has just admitted to committing a class 3 felony. He could get 3 years in prison. Given his admission, and with Mike as a witness, he could be held accountable.

  • See? Haggard’s only lapse of judgment was buying meth, which he ended up discarding anyway.

    Uh, isn’t the purchase and possession of methamphetamine — an illegal controlled substance — a crime even if you didn’t use it?

    And I really love this quote:

    “Church member E.J. Cox, 25, called the claims “ridiculous.”

    “People are always saying stuff about Pastor Ted,” she said. “You just sort of blow it off. He’s just like anyone else in the public eye.”

    Rumors have been swirling around Pastor Ted about “stuff” before the gay hooker went public? So how long before we hear the rumors about “stuff” were true but the New Life Church and the National Evangelical Association covered it up?

  • Regarding #38, Brainiac is correct. The solicitation and purchase are both felony’s, There appears to be additional evidence and a witness. Colorado has some very harsh laws and just recently upped the anti and reclassified meth (presumably with CO’s holier-than-thou types urging the process on).

    If the pastor reaps what he probably helped sow, he is looking at a minimum of one year hard time, and more likely 4-8 years depending on the amount purchased.

    Then again, if life was fair Elvis would be alive and all the impersonators would be dead – and Rush would be serving the hard time he wished on others, and getting his ‘prison love’ from grown ups instead of cabana boys in the D.R…

    -jjf

  • Given his admission, and with Mike as a witness, he could be held accountable. —Comment by Dan

    No Dan, not in Bushworld; nobody is accountable if they are evangelical republicans and run a big church. After all, he didn’t suggest that the war in Iraq is an unjust war or anything, he just likes a little meth and men on the side and is a very big help to President Bush. Let’s give him the medal of freedom too, or . . what about the humanitarian of the year award? Paster Ted is a good guy.

  • “Oh, God… send in the clowns.
    Comment by Frak”

    and the next line of the song is “don’t bother… they’re here”!

  • I am a professor at an evangelical Christian college but I agree with all of your cynical (and hilarious) comments.

    All of the evangelical Christians I know are just as skeptical as you are of Haggard’s story. We are just sad and wish it weren’t true. It is worth noting that the profile of Haggard in Christianity Today (the evangelical flagship magazine) in November 2005

    http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2003/juneweb-only/6-2-21.0.html

    is not exactly glowing. There were concerns about his “whatever works” and “don’t think too much” mentality.

    I plan on printing out your comments and talking about them in class with my students Monday. Hopefully they will be inspired to do a whole bunch of Mother-Teresa-and-MLKjr-style good for others. Until then, it is no wonder people don’t want to hear what we Christians (especially evangelicals) have to say.

  • No offense, Andy, but you seem to be under the misapprehension that most people haven’t heard it all before.

    We have, and we reject it. We’re to ethical (or ‘moral’, if you will) to live with the hypocrisy that evangelical christianity demands.

  • You all misunderstood… It wasn’t a “massage” Haggard got from the hooker; it was a “message”. A simple *mEssage*. Delivered orally.

  • I swear on the bible, I have never sucked a cock.

    Now, I did hold it in my mouth for a little while, but I never sucked it.

  • Wait a second, didn’t Haggard stand up before his congregation the previous Sunday morning and say … “Look, there’s something I need to tell you people. I plan to meet with a gay prostitute to get a massage and I might, I repeat, might use a drug called Meth.”

    Yes, it was nice of him to let people know what exactly he was planning to do.

    This leaves us with one important question as it so happens that he has probably been deceiving many people for a very long time… WHO THE HELL IS TED HAGGARD?

    And …

    What kind of people would employ a monster like this if it weren’t for the money or just plain … religious insanity.

    This is the man who whispered in Bush’s ear while Bush had his finger on the Big Red Button.

    “Armageddon? I love the idea! Why not? Order some more Meth and fire up the missiles!”

  • If Ted confesses his sin and stops persecuting gay people for their life-choices, then I see no reason why he should not return to the Republican sponsored Evangelical Church of America.

    God moves in mysterious ways. This is HIS way of healing the Church in these troubled times of rampant hatred being carried out in the name of the Lord.

  • In the interview with the cnn afiliate Ted was asked if he new Mike Jones, “No, I do not know Mile Jones”. Nice lie.
    of course he is hung on the semantics of ‘know”
    as he will no doubt claim with “blow job” ( it wasn’t work to me AND I was sucking

    He, Ted practices intelectual dishonesty and moral obscenity from the pulpit.

    What about the children Ted? You Ted are a model of hypocracy, it’s no wonder he has a hotline to Bush’s ear.
    What about the children?

  • God is just their “Get Out of Hell Free” card they always keep in their back pockets at all times– they can do anything, pray and ask for forgiveness, and they’re back in God’s good graces, heaven-bound.
    comment by Zoe Kentucky.

    Don’t know if her website is still up, but a quote from Betty Bowers, America’s Best Chrisitan, is apt…

    “We know from our Bible that you can murder as many people as you wish and still enjoy decent accommodation in Heaven — just as long as you pause ever-so-briefly before dying to repent and accept Jesus Christ as your Savior. So, Heaven will clearly be overrun with appalling people whose only virtue is a good sense of timing.”

    –Betty Bowers, America’s Best Christian

  • no sir, you cannot murder as many people as you like and still enjoy accomidations in heaven, whatever gave you that idea? What Christian apologist have you been listening to? Murderers and liars get cast out of the kingdom and into the darkness and there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. Haggard has most likely been a liar all along and never truly believed what he preached.

    “He who commits a sin is a slave to sin.”

    He may belong to those who believe the “once saved always saved” people, but, that does not tie-in with what the Bible really says. You see, you’r good deeds cannot get you into heaven, but you can best believe your bad deeds will keep you out.

    Imagine what he would have to go through if he were to confess every single thing he’s done! He’d have to go through drug rehab, homosexual Christian conversion techniques, etc, etc, etc. He knows what he has to face so he’s most likely lying to keep from having to do those things.

    What can we hope for from such Christians as the Religious Right? Will we now get mass prayers for all gay people? I doubt it. Will they now pay more attention to drug addicts than to politics and Armageddon? Well, Ted is no longer of any use to these people, he won’t be able to bring in the big money anymore, he won’t have the political power to move missiles, so they have no other choice but to let him go, simply forget about him and let him go.

    Ecc. 10:5 There is an evil which I have seen under the sun, as it were an error proceeding from the ruler: 6 folly is set in many high places, and the rich sit in a low place. 7 I have seen slaves on horses, and princes walking on foot like slaves. 8 He who digs a pit will fall into it; and a serpent will bite him who breaks through a wall. 9 He who quarries stones is hurt by them; and he who splits logs is endangered by them. 10 If the iron is blunt, and one does not whet the edge, he must put forth more strength; but wisdom helps one to succeed. 11 If the serpent bites before it is charmed, there is no advantage in a charmer. 12 The words of a wise man’s mouth win him favor, but the lips of a fool consume him. 13 The beginning of the words of his mouth is foolishness, and the end of his talk is wicked madness. 14 A fool multiplies words, though no man knows what is to be, and who can tell him what will be after him? 15 The toil of a fool wearies him, so that he does not know the way to the city. 16 Woe to you, O land, when your king is a child, and your princes feast in the morning! 17 Happy are you, O land, when your king is the son of free men, and your princes feast at the proper time, for strength, and not for drunkenness! 18 Through sloth the roof sinks in, and through indolence the house leaks. 19 Bread is made for laughter, and wine gladdens life, and money answers everything. 20 Even in your thought, do not curse the king, nor in your bedchamber curse the rich; for a bird of the air will carry your voice, or some winged creature tell the matter.

  • Get Pastor Ted Haggards phone logs that will show how many times he contacted the gay prostitute.

  • Christianity as defended by the apologists in this forum is TOXIC POISON which damages the natural order on this planet. This stems from your claim that all mankind is fundamentally flawed and requires your particular form of salvation. Your bible has filled your head with TOXIC ideas about right and wrong based on the irrational authority you give to magic (miracles) and fortune-telling (prophesy).

    You say ‘love the sinner and hate the sin’ but your automatic label of ’sinner’ is nothing more than self-righteous judgment which by its definition prevents you from loving anything.

    SIN DOES NOT EXIST IN REALITY. It’s a manmade construct, a concept in language, used to describe reality, but not the thing itself. Do animals sin? Do trees? Do rocks? Do stars? Why humans, then? Please, give it a rest. It doesn’t make rational sense.

    Belief in the SUPERNATURAL, ghosts and demons and heaven paved in gold, now this is crazy thinking. Try for a change the idea that mankind has a NATURAL place on this planet and that we belong here in nature doing exactly what we do, warts and all. There is no need for a messiah because there’s nothing to save. If ever there was an ANTI-CHRIST idea, this is it. The antithesis of Christianity’s message is that there’s NOTHING WRONG WITH US just as there’s nothing wrong with cats or dogs or ants or worms or dirt or water or air. It’s all part of the natural order of things.

    This is not to say that mistakes can be made, learned from, and improved upon. But instead of harping about right and wrong, try asking the question “Is it working?” Is it working for me to do this? Answering this question can yield different answers at different times, for sure, and will give you insight and integrity without the TOXIC condemnation and irrational fear of eternal consequences. Try it? You might find that it works. You also may find that love, compassion and forgiveness become easier to make manifest in your world.

    Or you can pray in fear for the rapture and an end to it all. It’s your choice

  • As a Christian I only fear the rapture in that I might not be found worthy to stand before Christ.

    As for your anti-Christian ideas: the Moonies, the Scientologists, the Urantians, and many other so-called Christian-based sects and New Age Religions agree (with variation) with your conclusion — that the cross means nothing, etc, etc, etc. You probably have no idea how similar you all are to one another. It’s all the same spirit. The spirit of the anti-Christ cannot hope in the cross, because the cross was not created for those who have no hope whatsoever. The devil cannot hope in the cross, neither can his children. Those who lose out will lose out big, and nothing will help them.

    You have no idea how difficult it is for us Christian to hold onto the idea of the cross what with so many opposing ideas and various spirits thrusting doubt in our direction so often. We must hold onto the cross with all our might and in the end we will be the last ones left standing. Sorry, but, those are the rules. Yeah, so very sorry.

    And I cannot worry about your fate either, that is your responsibility not mine. I have to spend all my time thinking about my own sins, I don’t have time to consider yours as well. What do your sins have to do with mine? Christians expose evil then they bow and let it pass on by.

    I didn’t make this life, I am simply passing through.

  • Ted is going to be put away for about a year while for intense reprogramming sessions, but, you can expect him to return as Ted Haggard 2.0, and he might be even more evil than before! What’s even worse is that liars are attracted to liars, so, we’ll know who the liars are by those who follow him.

  • Haggard abandoned … “WOE TO THE MAN WHO TRUSTS IN MAN.”

    AP Top News
    Dobson Quits Haggard Counseling Team
    By Associated Press

    November 7, 2006, 9:19 PM EST

    COLORADO SPRINGS, Colo. — Citing a lack of time, Focus on the Family founder James Dobson withdrew Tuesday from the team overseeing counseling for the Rev. Ted Haggard, the evangelical pastor who was fired amid allegations of gay sex and drug use.

    “Emotionally and spiritually, I wanted to be of help — but the reality is I don’t have the time to devote to such a critical responsibility,” Dobson said.

    The other two members of the team, Pastors Jack Hayford of The Church on the Way in Van Nuys, Calif., and Tommy Barnett of First Assembly of God in Phoenix, declined to comment.

    Haggard was forced out as senior pastor of the 14,000-member New Life Church on Saturday after a former male escort alleged they had sex repeatedly and that Haggard used methamphetamines.

    In a statement read at the church Sunday, Haggard confessed to unspecified “sexual immorality,” accepted responsibility for his actions and asked forgiveness.

    The counseling process, called restoration, could take years, said H.B. London, vice president for church and clergy at Focus on the Family.

    _______

    NOTE: Yeah, I want to join a Christian Sect that will abandon me when I need them most. Sign me up, I can’t wait.

  • http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/11/08/
    AR2006110801703.html

    After tumbling from the pinnacle of the American evangelical movement amid allegations he snorted meth and cavorted with a male prostitute, Haggard has agreed to a rehabilitation process that could last three to five years.

    “I see success approximately 50 percent of the time,” said H.B. London, vice president for church and clergy at Focus on the Family, the conservative Christian ministry in Colorado Springs. “Guys just wear out and they can no longer subject themselves to the process.”

    Those who fail “end up selling cars or shoes or something, and being miserable and angry the rest of their lives,” London said.

    ….

    London, who is not involved in Haggard’s restoration, said the process will demand honesty from Haggard and determination from his overseers.

    “It cannot be just a matter of friendship. It will have to become almost a confrontational relationship,” he said. “You’ve got to confess your sins and you’ve got to have a group of people around you who will not let you whitewash the issue.”

    The process includes counseling, in groups and alone, and prayer. Each restoration is unique, with a program tailored for the needs of the participant.

    “From the Christian perspective, we think in terms of prayer, we think in terms of what we call godly counsel, where godly men who are clean themselves insert themselves in the life of the one who is struggling,” London said.

    The symbolic laying on of hands may also be a part of the recovery, London said.

    “I’m sure there will be those who lay their hands on Pastor Haggard as an act of faith, calling on the act of God to restore and heal,” he said. “The prayer can be therapeutic, the laying on of hands can be ceremonial.”

    One of the men who agreed to oversee the restoration, Focus on the Family founder James Dobson, has already withdrawn, citing a lack of time. The other two _ Pastors Jack Hayford of The Church on the Way in Van Nuys, Calif., and Tommy Barnett of First Assembly of God in Phoenix _ declined to comment on the specifics of Haggard’s program.

    It isn’t clear whether Haggard will try to return to the ministry, at New Life or elsewhere. “He says that he has committed his life to God and that he is looking for direction as to where God can best use him,” said Leonard Chessler, Haggard’s lawyer and friend.

    ….

    NOTE: Haggard will bust out sooner or later. All work and no play makes Ted an insane boy.

  • Jesus Camp: Several Movie Links On YouTube

    Here are plenty of “Jesus Camp” videos. It took a lot of work to post it here. Hope you appreciate the effort. I am a Christian and I would never have children fall before a cutout of Bush. This is just to remind you guys that we’re not all monsters.

    Documentary Featurette …

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_XPjOf9_mU

    Becky Fischer Excerpt …

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JECP9qzjmF0

    Ted Haggard admits his infidelity under the guise of teaching a religious lesson. A clip from the documentary …

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W6rSjrBhUIA

    Official Trailer – designed by Magnolia Pictures to make the public hate the subjects of the film. Wait for the “This means war!” line …

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UuUwXncK9Uk

    Saving Holly …

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHiwiBEeGa0

    Bill Maher Discussion about “Jesus Camp” …

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SGceAojHR6o

    Featurette Number 2 …

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LBXLeQHzgcU

    Rachel …

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8PXrBQlN9Rw

    Harry Potter sermon from “Jesus Camp” …

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uOIYsGVyg8M&NR

    Good Morning America Part 1 …

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dtrug7gUVbM&mode=related&search=

    Good Morning America Part 2 …

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dgms0DrpERE

    The following are some extra clips from the documentary …

    Clip4 …

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a1YwrW9ZVTI

    Clip5 …

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iiqjozMMkyM

    Clip6 …

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u0L_dLO358E&NR

    Becky Fischer thinks she’s a prophet. (Deut.18:22) Take note of the “what I heard the Lord say” line. People usually means this in terms of an psychological impression being placed on the heart by God rather than an actual voice being heard, but, kids don’t know the difference and are being maniupulated into thinking she’s got a direct connection to God. Take a look …

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FMWs_J6Bjzs&mode=related&search=

    Clip2 …

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7VHAGSJMLY&mode=related&search=

    Some of the above might have been repeats, so sorry if that’s what happened.

    Phew! Now you guys can see most of the clips available on YouTube. I’m sure there are more than I’ve been able to collect.

    I’m looking forward to seeing this film and being disgusted.

    Take care.
    _______

    NOTE: I remember when they were proud to call themselves Fundamentalists, now they’re ashamed to say they’re Fundies because the Islamist-Extremists have “stolen” that name in the name of Jihad (Holy War). Maybe one day they’ll be ashamed to call themselves Evangelicals, because of the likes of Foley and Haggard and more liars that are to come. Well, they can repackage and redistribute themselves all they like, it matters not to me, at least it keeps them from calling themselves Christians too often, that would make all of us Christians look very bad.

  • Haggard had “sex with a gay male prostitute”. That’s a releif, at least he didn’t corrupt a straight male prostitute.

    Maybe he didn’t do the meth himself, maybe he paid the prostitute with it (meth being the international currency of the gay mafia). Then if he really didn’t get sex after all that, then he really did just “throw it away”.

    Or maybe Haggard was the prostitute, raising money for the orphanage perhaps. He’s straight so it’s not like he’d enjoy it himself or anything; it was strictly for charity. The bloke he had sex with was a 49 year old “gay male” – sounds like a “john” to me – who paid Haggard with meth (the pink currency). Not knowing what it was, Haggard threw it out.

    The moral of this story? It doesn’t matter what you do. It’s not a sin if you don’t enjoy it.

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