Hastert sees a vast left-wing conspiracy

All week, intra-party grumbling suggested House Republicans would have little choice but to make a change in its leadership. Yesterday, the party changed its mind. Republicans have decided that, after flirting with a leadership shake-up, they’ll have to stick with Dennis Hastert in the Speaker’s office, at least until the next bombshell.

As the WaPo put it, “For now, they said, it would be politically disastrous for Republicans to oust Hastert because it would be viewed as akin to a public admission of guilt in the scandal, as well as a pre-election victory that would buoy Democrats and help their turnout efforts.” It’s not about what’s right, of course; it’s about what will help them weather the storm.

Regardless, the one common theme to all of this morning’s news coverage is that the Speaker stepped up yesterday to accept responsibility for the scandal. That’s simply not true. Hastert said he was accepting responsibility, while in the next breath shifting the blame elsewhere.

A Washington Post editorial summarized the problem nicely:

“The buck stops here,” the speaker said yesterday, declaring that “we’re taking responsibility.” But announcing that doesn’t make it so.

Consider who Hastert has blamed over the last 24 hours.

It’s the Democrats’ fault:

Hastert asserted Wednesday that any Republicans urging his ouster were playing into the hands of Democrats and blamed his problems on the media and Democratic operatives, even suggesting former President Clinton might somehow be involved.

“All I know is what I hear and what I see,” [Hastert] said in an interview with the Chicago Tribune on the eve of the ethics meeting. “I saw Bill Clinton’s adviser, Richard Morris, was saying these guys knew about this all along, If somebody had this info, when they had it, we could have dealt with it then.”

It’s George Soros’ fault:

Hastert said “people funded by George Soros,” a liberal billionaire who has plowed millions into this and other election campaigns, want to see the scandal blow up. And he warned that when the GOP “base finds out who’s feeding this monster, they’re not going to be happy.”

It’s technology’s fault:

“For something like this to occur, our system obviously isn’t designed for the electronic age of Instant Messages.”

It’s the staff’s fault:

Some Republicans said they are most concerned about Fordham’s assertions. Scott Palmer, the speaker’s top aide, has denied the allegations and spent much of Wednesday night rummaging through old e-mails and files to determine whether he ever corresponded with Fordham, a source close to Hastert said. Palmer, who was described as very emotional, told Hastert that Fordham’s assertions are false, the source said.

Hastert’s office has been on edge. Deputy Chief of Staff Mike Stokke, who handles politics for the speaker, has offered to resign, two sources close to Hastert said, and several aides have expressed frustration that Ted Van Der Meid, the top counsel in the office, did not do a better job monitoring the Foley situation. Hastert did not accept Stokke’s resignation offer, the source said.

I’m curious, what does Hastert think “taking responsibility” actually means?

I’m curious, what do does Hastert think “taking responsibility” actually means?

Clearly not what the rest of the English-speaking world means.

  • Standard argument- shoot the messenger… Sheesh. Face it, Hastert, if you didn’t let your caucus chase after young boys, you wouldn’t have a problem…

  • And he warned that when the GOP “base finds out who’s feeding this monster, they’re not going to be happy.”

    I assume the monster being fed is the Porcine speaker of da House? And who exactly is supposed to give a flaming bucket of grease about The Base? Oo, er, not the steadily diminishing horde of mindless idiots. The Base will cling to Shrubco no matter what and isn’t big enough to swing an election except in areas where there is already a high cretin to intelligent person ratio. But I think it is amusing Jabba the Speaker is accusing the Democrats of you know…talking about it and demanding action while ignoring the fact that since he just sat on his fat haunches for three+ years some one else has to do his job. Plus, if Dems didn’t take action they’d be labeled as “soft on child abuse.”

    I think though that a lot of his glubbering comes from the fact that for such a long time the Dems did just sort of…sit there. Now the Refugs are in a position where the Dems aren’t sitting there, can’t be silenced by Mr. Straw Man, their actions are exposed to public scrutiny and people want a bit more than speeches about how icky Mark Foley is. Fugs just aren’t used to it and they likely are finally starting to realize how very nasty life will be when they are no longer in charge.

    As G. Will put it yesterday, Hairshirt all but admits there was a cover up but wants to paint the Democrats as unfair by talking about it. That’s all he can think to do because he’s living in a nightmare right now. I wonder if he’ll be blamed by his cronies if the Dems take a majority this Nov. and I wonder how long it will be before Hairshirt is just so much political bacon.

    Watch, he’ll wind up cramming those sausages on the ends of his hands into his ears and chanting “I’m not listening, la la la!!” while oily globules drip down his face. I can’t wait.

  • Oh JSR JR has returned.

    I had a long rant typed up for you but decided you have not yet been that offensive. Regardless of the existence of any winged conspiracy, it should be difficult to lead the party of personal responsibility and values when you oversaw a series of scandals overwhelmingly effecting members of your party.

    Hastert’s understinding of responsibility seems similar to his understanding of diet and exercise.

  • For the modern republican taking responsibility has meant blaming the Democrats, so in his warped little mind tis is taking responsibility

  • Seems to me that Republicans have made a high art form of making hollow statements that sound like a claim of taking responsibility while actually trying to evade all accountability and blame. Reagan was the trend-setter here, after the bombing of the Marine barracks in Lebanon, and his masterpiece contribution of “mistakes were made”.

  • Whatever it means in the GOP failed mindset, it does not include the notion of “accountability.” Normally, accepting responsibility means accepting being held accountable for your actions. Not with this group of twisted zealots.

  • JRS jr, the old expression ‘you can dish it out but just can’t take it’ comes to mind.

    i laugh and point in your general direction.

    ps, what bubba said.

  • Hastert has made a point of investigating the “entire” House, which suggests to me he hopes to find some dirt on a Democrat to lower the heat. At least, he’s hoping to use the traditional Republican tactic of confusing the issue.

    I’m not sure that’s gonna work. I heard David Gergen saying that Hastert leading an investigation is a huge mistake. It keeps the hot potato — not control — in Republican hands.

  • Is it not ironic that the “Daddy” party (albeit a drunken, deadbeat & abusive daddy) want’s to be forgiven like a little child. No punishment, as long as they give a half-hearted “I’m sorry, I take responibility.”

    Seriously, this is nowhere near as bad as Iraq, the screwed up War on Terra, the corruption, etc. BUT…

    It is symbolic of the core of the Republican’ts actions:
    Protection & Trust. If someone claims to be able to protect you, you need to be able to trust them. You admit that you are vulnerable, and a protector can put you at risk by removing that protection. Kids are THE symbol of vulnerability. If you don’t protect kids, you don’t protect anyone.

    Simply put, their actions are not matching their claims & the “conventional wisdom” that they can do a better job of serving the public in…. well, in anything.

    Again symbolized in the matter that they warned their Pages, but not the Dems. Self-serving in all matters.

  • Re #7: While it’s true that Reagan utilized that materpiece of the passive voice (“mistakes were made”), let’s give credit where credit is due: Nixon said it first, about Watergate of course. He said it during the famous David Frost interview in ’77, I believe, but may have used it earlier.

    Incidentally, when Tony Snow tried to dismiss the current situation as “a few naughty e-mails” I was reminded of the similar attempt by Nixon’s press secretary, Ron Ziegler, to dismiss Watergate as “a third-rate burglary.”

    Too bad they didn’t have e-mail back then. I’m sure Nixon would’ve sent some doozies . . .

  • “I heard David Gergen saying that Hastert leading an investigation is a huge mistake. It keeps the hot potato — not control — in Republican hands. ”

    Exactly, alibubba. and the Dems should be beating these drums loud and clear. “The guys who would rather protect the pedophile and put America’s children at risk of sodomization are going to supervise this investigation?”

  • I just want to thank Coach Hastert for acknowledging that it takes Democrats to protect children. He knew about Foley but could/would do nothing about it. Certainly not investigate further. But according to Hastert’s warped scenario, the Democrats, getting hold of the same emails he saw, decided to dig a little further and found the vile little Sext-Messages that Foley had been sending. Of course, since Foley is the man writing the laws about what is and is not legal, nothing Foley sent is likely to have been actually illegal. So the very clever Democrats (remember, this is all happening in Hastert’s mind) carefully plotted the demise of Mark Foley, released the information to ABC at just the right time in the election cycle to ensure that this predator of young Republican conservative men had to resign, and saved generations of future Congressional pages the confusion of an older man coming on to them.

    Now, according to Hastert, he couldn’t do this with the same starting information, and he’s all upset that the Democrats didn’t give him the Sext-messages which originally were in the hands of these same young Republican conservative men. And of course Hastert is upset that the timing to rid Congress of Foley also has roiled the Republican’ts just when they are already scared of losing the House.

    Aww! To f**king bad Denny!

  • Rimone, I can’t take what??? Now I laugh as well!

    My point is claims of all “vast conspiracies” are nonsense, in this case Hassart’s claim is rediculous… Just as Hillary’s was several years ago.

    That said, based on your responses, I guess some of you believe that one big evil vast one still exists on the right, and not on the left… Come on folks…. crawl out of your partisan fox holes once in a while and live life a little!

  • Hey, JRS –
    Tell me, why do so many people think that Sadaam had something to do with 9/11? Must be the Liberal Media.
    Fox holes, seems like a bit of irony there.
    When you go against something really bad (like a war based on lies, that’s Iraq, if you didn’t know), why is that partisan?
    I was registered as a Repub before Kathy Harris had me purged from the voter roles in 2000.

  • Buzz, Come on, you very well know the answer! Because they aren’t as intellectually talented as most of you here!

    You know what, come to think of it, anyone has voted for any GOP member for the last decade plus must be just plain dumb! If they listened just listened to guys like you more often, vote Dem down the line the world would be such a better place. Fresh air, little cars, no war or threat of terrorism, clean water, lots of vegetables and flowers everywhere! I’VE SEEN THE LIGHT!

    Now back to reality, politics is cyclical… the party in power eventually skrews things up after a while, and when they do, enough of us moderates vote for the other side to shake it up. Then eventually, they’ll skrew it all up again, and we’ll turn around and vote for the other party again. I enjoy the fact I am open minded enough so that I can vote on both sides of the aisle in any given election… a thought that might make many of you purge your breakfast.

  • “Now back to reality, politics is cyclical…” – JRS Jr.

    Maybe, but you seem to forget that a plurality of Americans voted in 2000 to keep going with the Democrats for four more years. And considering that “State of Denial” kind of demonstrates that the Republican’ts weren’t ready or able to actually govern this country, the Americans were right.

    Weren’t they?

  • RIMONE, NOW THAT IS GREAT!!

    Didn’t you once say ‘you can dish it out but just can’t take it’ comes to mind! You little bi-atch!

  • Now, Lance you seem to forget more of a plurality of people voted for Bush in ’04 and have continued to vote for the GOP in congress since ’94… So am I to assume that the American’s were right then???

    Needless to say, at least some of that will probably change in a few weeks.

  • “Now, Lance you seem to forget more of a plurality of people voted for Bush in ’04” – JRS Jr.

    Do you believe that? Diebold and Ohio!

    Besides, at the time the American people believed things about the Bushites that we now know are lies, don’t they.

    And now the American people know that Republican’ts in Congress, once given power, use it not to protect children (or teenagers in this case) but to wink and smile to watch a predator troll among the sex-education deprived young men of conservative indoctrination.

    And now Coach Hastert admits that it takes Democrats to defend children, cause clearly he couldn’t. 😉

  • “Do you believe that? Diebold and Ohio!”

    Ahh, back to the vast conspiracy theories… so you are telling me the popular vote was in Kerry’s favor in ’04?? Dude, you got to get out of your darkened bed room filled with canned goods and bottled water and get some sun!!!

  • what does Hastert think “taking responsibility” actually means?

    He’s been an associate of, and minor stooge for, the Bush Crime Family for so long that he no longer remembers or cares.

  • JRS Jr. – “I enjoy the fact I am open minded enough so that I can vote on both sides of the aisle in any given election… a thought that might make many of you purge your breakfast.”

    I think you are missing the GOP’s fundamental core philosophy. They believe, and act on this belief, that there is one correct way to do things and it is their way. Republicans do NOT break ranks on individual issues. Therefore, voting for any republican based upon their campaign promises or personal positions is the same as voting for the party position on ALL issues.

    The GOP is very good at calling the Democrats visionless because there are differences of opinion within the party. Under the GOP leadership, procedures and policies in the Congress have excluded discussions across the aisle. Debate is limited to floor speeches infront of an empty chamber. Votes do not come up unless the GOP will benefit.

    I have watched this party in action for 12 years. There is not an individual GOP Congressman whom I would trust to act independently.

    If you are so concerned about people like me being too afraid to vote for someone other than a Democrat then explain who voted for Ralph Nader in 2000. Was it environmentalist Republicans? I don’t think so. Who elected Jesse Ventura Governor of Minnesota?

    It is not that I would never vote for a candidate who is not a Democrat, it is that the GOP is so abhorant that they will never garner my support.

    If you want to defend individual issue positions then fine. I can support some positions of some Republicans on some issues. I cannot vote for one because for the 1% of the time I might support the Republican position I will lose 99% of the time.

  • Okay, here’s my take on JRS Jr.:

    I think he should be commended for participating in what would appear to be his opposition’s forum. I occasionally glance over at Drudge, flip the channel to Fox News, but my poor stomach can’t handle much of it because I believe that the conservative tent is smaller and that partisanship seems much more in “lock-step” than the party toward which I lean.

    I cannot emphasize the word lean enough because, quite frankly, I’ve spent most of my life voting against what I’ve always felt was a threat to our republic: the neo-conservative/religious-right movement. The Democrats are far from perfect and I believe the line between the parties is often blurred, if not totally irrelevant, anyway (see Lieberman).

    As for anyone’s claim of a “vast conspiracy”, I don’t believe groups as large as a political party are capable of carrying out a conspiracy (which is inherently secretive; and it’s very difficult to keep secrets when there are so many cooks in the kitchen).

    I do believe it is possible for smaller groups of people to conspire. After all, war plans (hint, hint) need to be drawn long before the public is allowed to know we’re going to war. In this case, there probably are conspiracies involving top officials (all of whom happen to be Republican at the moment), for better or for worse.

    I also believe the true reasons for the wars we are waging must be known to someone. Obviously, the reasons are not what we have been told. Oil and power must have something to do with it. Who would know? The wealthy and the powerful would know. The wealthy and powerful happen to side with the Republican party and have done very well in engineering public support without revealing their true intentions.

    To that extent, I believe there is a right-wing conspiracy although I don’t believe JRS Jr. is a part of it, I don’t believe Limbaugh or Hannity are “in the know”, and my fanatic Christian Dad certainly isn’t privy either.

    They are a part of a machine that is clearly being driven by the interests of a group small enough to keep (mostly) quiet about their real motives.

    On the other hand, there are millions of idiots out there for whom the objective is clear: ‘let’s kick some camel-jockey ass!’, ‘let’s send the Mexicans back where they came from!’, ‘lets make homosexuality illegal!’, ‘let’s crack down on “wrong-doers” and stop worrying about “rights”; I ain’t doing nothing wrong!’, ‘stop taxing me for anything but war!’, ‘don’t take away my guns!’.

    This hardly counts as a unified conspiracy but these issues and those who espouse them are being played virtuosically by someone for some reason.

    As for a vast left-wing conspiracy, that doesn’t really make much sense at all. Conspiring for higher wages, healthcare, an “even playing field”, equality in the workplace, etc. etc. represent a much larger base of economic interests that are held together by little more than the grace of God.

    Sure, there are politicians who are corrupt on both sides and have conspired and will continue to conspire to save their political hides and protect their livelihoods (which, I must remind you, are modest compared to the corporate livelihoods that the right-wing seem to serve). For example, I don’t think Dick Cheney worries so much about his VP salary, as he does wealth he’s gleaned from oil and Halliburton.

    Sorry for the long-winded response. In summary, I think something is going on to which none of us are privy. I don’t think it’s coming from the left side of the spectrum and I don’t think the (entire) right know anything that the rest of us don’t either. But I believe the right is being used to accomplish something.

    Back to partisanship, frankly I’m tired of the following words as they only serve to push someone like JRS Jr. back to the right:

    Republican’ts
    Bushites
    Herr Bush
    Boy George II
    Shrub (I really hate that one)
    Repugs

    As clever and apropos as some of these are, they don’t help our cause. We all need to work together to bring our country back under the control of “the people”. We actually need guys like JRS Jr. more than we need each other (we know who we’ll all be voting for in ’06 and ’08). I don’t believe he’s a troll and I do believe he wants to understand where we’re all coming from.

    Just my $.02… and some change. 🙂

  • Besides, at the time [of the 2004 election] the American people believed things about the Bushites [such as they really had a reason to invade Iraq that somehow related to the security of the United States and not just the ego of Boy George II] that we now know are lies, didn’t they?

    Are the American people always right? We’ll not know as long as the Republican’ts cheat in elections, will we?

    It’s the Republican’ts who don’t trust the choice of the American people. It’s Boy George II who claims to be God’s choice for President.

    not America’s.

    God’s.

  • “Back to partisanship, frankly I’m tired of the following words as they only serve to push someone like JRS Jr. back to the right:

    Republican’ts (adopted)
    Bushites (adopted)
    Herr Bush (never use. It insults the Germans)
    Boy George II (all mine)
    Shrub (I really hate that one)
    Repugs” – JTK

    Sorry, Not really ready to give up fighting the party of Theocratic Reactionaries just because JRS Jr. likes Joe Lieberman. Despite what JRS Jr. says I don’t find him moderate. He just imagines that he is. As MNP points out, a vote for any Republican’t is a vote for Coach Hastert as Speaker and Mitch McConnell as Majority Leader, and after that nothing else matters. They make decisions in their caucuses and 26% of Congress makes the laws and budgets and appropriations. That’s all there is to it.

    Why should we fight nice when Boy George II and Coach Hastert are telling lies about us? Slap the bullies in the face. Look how cowed the Republican’ts became when Clinton stood up for himself to Faux News.

  • Fatboy has been told to “shut the fuck up”

    http://www.tpmmuckraker.com/archives/001740.php

    And people wonder why I always thought public school coaches were some lower form of life – Hastert is Exhibit A of how the otherwise-unemployables end up in positions of too much responsibility, even if all he’d ever been was the wrestling coach, it would have been too much for him.

  • Pull your head out of your ass long enough to discover you’re not sniffing Chanel No. 5 in there, Junior (I’d hate to think what a moron JRS Sr. is). There is in fact a vast right wing conspiracy, and you’re seeing it in operation over this – but you have to pull out head out of your ass and keep it out, and open your eyes in order to do that.

  • Lance (Re #30) I’m with you. I liked all of the thoughtful stuff by JTK, except the last part.
    JRS Jr salts his comments with some reasonable stuff (“elections are cyclical..”) but he never answers the facts, except to be sarcastic (see comment #17).
    By the way, JRS (if you are still here), it is not the intelligence of the Left that makes the difference, it is the honesty.
    Really, what true Christian condones torture? So how can the VRW Christianists support Bush?

  • Lance: Slap the bullies in the face. Look how cowed the Republican’ts became when Clinton stood up for himself to Faux News.

    they’re all chickenshits who can’t take it when they’re faced w/the same shit they dish out so blithely themselves, e.g., John Bolton:

    Facing an increasingly hostile group of law students in an Oxford seminar that had somehow gone dreadfully wrong, beads of sweat began to pop out on John Bolton’s furrowed brow. Amidst a rising chorus of taunts, jeers, hisses and outright denunciations, Bolton was swiftly surrounded by his entourage of three American security agents and whisked out the door of the seminar room at Oriel College on Friday, the 9th of June…’

    my take here: exposed: John Bolton’s inner poltroon.

  • I think we should all remember, with JRS Jr., that it’s not polite to fight an unarmed opponent, easy punching bag that the little mini-putz is.

    And in case you don’t know Yiddish, Junior, “Putz” means “a penis that thinks it’s a man,” in other words a real special kind of prick – one just like you.

  • From the Chicago Tribune:

    Comments that Hastert made in a Tribune interview suggesting the scandal had been orchestrated by ABC News, Democratic political operatives aligned with the Clinton White House and liberal activist George Soros were considered a serious misstep in national Republican circles, an official said. Senior Republican officials contacted Hastert’s office before his news conference Thursday to urge that he not repeat the charges, and he backed away from them in his news conference.

    “The Chicago Tribune interview last night–the George Soros defense–was viewed as incredibly inept,” a national Republican official said. “It could have been written by [comedian] Jon Stewart.”

  • Sorry, Not really ready to give up fighting the party of Theocratic Reactionaries just because JRS Jr. likes Joe Lieberman.

    Nor I. I just feel they are already predisposed to thinking the way they think. Moreover, one of their intellectual tools is to cover up their own lies, insults and distortions by pointing to ours even when theirs exceed ours by an order of magnitude.

    Not to say that any of what you’ve written is a “lie” or “distortion” but you are clearly insulting their leadership. And remember, they voted (not to presume JRS Jr. voted for Bush) for whom they voted for because they believed in them. In order to break down the veil that leads them to trust in bad leadership, you must first get to the logic and the evidence (the “message”). When the “envelope” containing the message is littered with insults to the person’s intelligence, it’s likely the intended recipient will never open it.

    Despite what JRS Jr. says I don’t find him moderate. He just imagines that he is.

    This is another case in point. To attribute his belief in his own moderateness, to his imagination, is an insult (perhaps deserved; perhaps not). I’m more inclined to give him the benefit of the doubt that, if he says he believes he’s moderate, he really does believe he’s moderate.

    Also remember that politics is in a constant tug-of-war to define the center (“moderateness”). I believe that every individual has a slightly different definition of “moderate” although the right seem to have (again, in lock-step) adopted a narrowly focused definition of moderate: them, with the rest of us propagandistically defined as “extreme left”.

    As MNP points out, a vote for any Republican’t is a vote for Coach Hastert as Speaker and Mitch McConnell as Majority Leader, and after that nothing else matters. They make decisions in their caucuses and 26% of Congress makes the laws and budgets and appropriations. That’s all there is to it.

    Again, I agree totally. We must cast the protest vote in a decidedly partisan manner (to counter what the opposition has been doing for decades) but, somehow, help guys like JRS Jr. understand why we are doing it and that we are not somehow involved in some nebulous liberal conspiracy.

    Why should we fight nice when Boy George II and Coach Hastert are telling lies about us?

    Because, not only do they tell lie after lie after lie without apology or shame, they can (and will) use any single lie or breach of “fair play” committed by the opposition as a “get out of responsibility free card” to make right any number of their own violations.

    These are not ethical or rational people we are dealing with. You know that even if 10 Republicans are exposed as having had relations with pages, it would only take 1 Democrat to even the playing field in their minds. That would cancel out any advantage this scandal might have given the Democrats (which, btw, is why I don’t think we should rely on it anyway; it’s meaningless compared to everything else this administration has done).

    Slap the bullies in the face. Look how cowed the Republican’ts became when Clinton stood up for himself to Faux News.

    And look how self-righteous they became while they pointed their fingers at the frothing, red faced, madman. Clinton broke a few rules of civil discourse (that the right-wing pisses all over routinely) and they still have the audacity to hold us to the standards they ignore.

    There is a double standard between right and wrong, truth and lies, good and evil. You should all know that by now.

  • Why oh why is it that we’re being run over by these morons???

    From the Washington Post:

    “Republicans are calculating that the smartest way to survive the Mark Foley sex scandal is to rally around House Speaker J. Dennis Hastert (R-Ill.) and hope that no new evidence surfaces before Election Day that shows GOP leaders could have done more to prevent the congressman from preying on young male pages, according to several GOP lawmakers and strategists.

    “For now, they said, it would be politically disastrous for Republicans to oust Hastert because it would be viewed as akin to a public admission of guilt in the scandal, as well as a pre-election victory that would buoy Democrats and help their turnout efforts….

    “Still, many Republicans accused Hastert of badly bungling the political fallout of the Foley scandal and waiting until yesterday to take responsibility and decisive action to investigate the matter.

    “‘I don’t think anyone has handled this particularly well,’ said a top House Republican, who requested anonymity in order to speak candidly. Hastert and other leaders ‘are having to focus on staying clear of this scandal individually, and not thinking about reelecting people.’

    “Others complained that Hastert’s blame-the-media-and-Democrats strategy looks odd when conservatives are leading the charge for his resignation.”

  • As Glenn Greenwald says:

    The Foley scandal is so perfectly tailored — one could even say artistically designed — to expose every character flaw of this country’s Republican leaders (and their followers), and it has evolved so flawlessly (like the most brilliantly coordinated symphony), that one is almost inclined to believe that it was divinely inspired. It is difficult to believe that human beings (let alone Democrats) could create something so perfect (as Billmon wrote in comments here the other day, the relentless efficiency of this scandal is proof positive that Democrats had nothing to do with it).

  • Why oh why is it that we’re being run over by these morons???

    Because America is overrun with morons due to the failing of the middle-class, the subsequent erosion of educational standards, and the media’s lack of responsibility in providing meaningful information.

    To borrow a line from The Simpsons:

    “Ladies and gentlemen, the screwballs have spoken.”

  • I must say, JTK speaks some sense!

    I’ll take the Lieberman experience in CT for example… As much as you folks hate him, and call him a neocon, he’s pretty well liked in CT, especially by moderates — both left and right leaning. So once people believed Lamont was thrown into the fray by what some would claim by the “left wing fringes of the blogosphere” and his primary platform while running this race is AGAINST Lieberman’s support of the war, like it or not, folks (like myself) were even more emboldened to help re-elect Joe. Honest truth, I never gave a dollar to a politician before I sent $150 to Joe in September.

    What you also don’t realize is folks like myself like voting FOR someone… not simply against someone… And that is another problem with some of the Dems platforms… Granted that strategy might work this year as the GOP contine to shoot itself in the gut, but it’s not a great long term strategy for taking control. The GOP has had that problem in the past as well, and it’s proven not to work for them either.

    I think for the most part I have engaged in some thoughtful discussion without throwing stones. Sure we’re not going to come to agreement on many issues. But instead of throwing insult after insult at me and patting each other on the back for the greatest/best/over-the-top insult of the current admin and leadership, perhaps you should put those efforts on shifting the middle’s balast on your side of the boat?

    All the best. Especially to Mother Cleaver!

  • “where to begin? i have shitloads of links like None Dare Call It Stolen and No Paper Trail Left Behind. why don’t you go edumafuckate yourself and do some reading instead of trolling over here et al.?”

    I guess all those Congressional races over the last 12 years were fixed too!

    If I was to do this type of reading, I’d need to balance it out with some far right Christian crap as well. While I’m at it I might as well do som research on the 9-11 conspiracy write-ups! I’d then finsish my day reading Mary Poppins!

    Perhaps too much dope driving the paranoia in your life?

  • “These are not ethical or rational people we are dealing with.”

    Just look at JRS Jr. and his writings, for example. Despite his claims of being a moderate, or of possibly having voted for a democrat at some point in his life, every position he takes is in line with the talking points of the current party in power. He fails to see how many of his arguments and positions even contradict true old-fashioned conservatism. Now, I truly do not believe he is unethical. But irrational and unthinking? Definitely. Unable to grasp the many levels of the political landscape surrounding him? Absolutely. Woefully misinformed due to either an inate inability to process thought or a stubborn refusal to broaden his horizons by just plain listening to alternative news sources? Obviously.

  • “Because, not only do they tell lie after lie after lie without apology or shame, they can (and will) use any single lie or breach of “fair play” committed by the opposition as a “get out of responsibility free card” to make right any number of their own violations.” – JTK

    So, we can’t play the game of politics because the Republican’ts will cry?

    Sorry, not going to buy that one. Their spin of the Clinton interview was pathetic and we should say it was pathetic. Never feel bad when the bully cries after you’ve slapped him in the face (having actually slapped a bully neverly a head taller than me in the face, I state this from personal experience).

    Never concede to such as JRS Jr. that we can’t play the game they play. This isn’t beanbag children, and the Republican’ts JRS Jr. is putting into power are totally unconcerned with our rights or feelings. Why is he whining at our Rovian tactics? They introduced them, not us.

    Beat the Republican’ts like a drum. They can’t protect this country, they can’t protect our interests, they can’t protect our reputations, they can’t protect our constitution…

    hell, they can’t even protect good little conservative boys come to work as pages in their House offices. Notice you haven’t heard any word of Foley stalking a Democrat’s page. Apparantly, for the Democrats protecting their pages would involve more than just a stern speaking to Foley.

    Republican’ts deserve no consideration. All the good ones are gone or submitted to the humiliation that is being a follower of Boy George II. There is no conservative party in this country anymore. They’ve tasted power and they will surrender every principle which supposedly seperated them from Progressives and Liberals to retain power. Their Unholy Alliance of Theocratic Reactionaries, Chamber of Commerce Conservatives, Libertarians, Anti-Tax and Small Government chumps exists only because of fear and envy of the Clintonistas and the success this country enjoyed for eight years.

    And the American People voted for four more years of that success. Looko what they got instead!

  • Uhum, Lance, I hate to break it to you… you haven’t played the game very well, son.

    So, so good that you bash Rove, but then aspire to be just like him!!!

  • no. 43: Perhaps too much dope driving the paranoia in your life?

    if only! apart from i’m not a paranoid person but you wouldn’t know that. OT: just like Bart, i want my Flintstones Chewable Morphine, please.

    Buzzmon: Yep, comment # 17 was very thoughtful, and not a stone in sight.

    LOL, so was no. 20: You little bi-atch!

  • “bubba, please enlighten me with my talking points! ”
    Comment by JRS Jr

    It is apparent that you can read, and work your way through websites. So I suggest that you go back and read your comments on each of the CB posts here, noting the topic and position of the CB, and then compare them to the positions you have taken. Then I suggest you go out and read some of the written works by the “founders” and actual leading lights of the conservative movement and see what they say conservatism stands for, and then compare your views to those. The sad thing is that you will likely find out that your views do not belong to conservatism, moderate thought, or liberalism. Heck not even libertarianism.

    You will likely find that your only true theoretical home is with the current group of frauds running this country, because they will only take you in because they know they can take advantage of you.

  • JRS Jr: I must say, JTK speaks some sense!

    And all without reckless use of profanity, pejoratives or exclamation points. 😉

    JRS Jr: Perhaps too much dope driving the paranoia in your life?

    Before anyone gets the idea that I am excusing any of your rhetoric, I feel I need to call a spade a spade here. The above statement is counter to the “sense” of which I speak.

    The fruits of tolerance and civil discourse is, if nothing else, that we get to hear more of your opinion and a better understanding of why you feel the way you do on issues. We also get to see whether or not you will continue to speak in rhetorical tones, even as ours quiesce (though not everyone agrees with my tactics).

    It would be interesting to see if, after the pissing contest quiets down, you’re left pissing in the wind. Then, and only then, will we know whether you are as moderate as you say you are (and willing to listen), or just another windbag.

    If your reason for giving $150 to the Lieberman cause, is to hedge your bets (simply because he’s for the war and the Democrats are moving against it), then you yourself are guilty of casting a “protest vote”.

    Before I vote “FOR” someone, you have to show me someone who is worth voting for. Protest voting is not a philosophy, it is (unfortunately) a necessity because our country is in trouble.

  • “So I suggest that you go back and read your comments on each of the CB posts here, noting the topic and position of the CB, and then compare them to the positions you have taken.”

    When CB tells me to vote straight down the left side, I hardly call that a guage of moderation!

  • I must apologize, rimone, you brought me down a notch…

    Comment by JRS Jr

    That would put you at Notch -1.

    Ban the pissant.

  • People! Focus! It’s not necessary to respond to everything that JRS transcribes. (I’m on the fence about whether he’s a true ‘troll’, but he certainly is distracting the conversation and lowering the signal-noise ratio).

  • “When CB tells me to vote straight down the left side, I hardly call that a guage of moderation! ”
    Comment by JRS Jr

    Please provide the post where the CB has told you to vote in such a manner. And the issue isn’t CB’s moderation, it is your lack of rational or original thought.

    JRS, Jr. “Just Really Stupid.”

  • “Uhum, Lance, I hate to break it to you… you haven’t played the game very well, son.

    So, so good that you bash Rove, but then aspire to be just like him!!!” – JRS Jr.

    The difference, pops, is that I don’t have to concoct lies to make my case, Rove does.

    What Hastert did regarding Foley was unconscionable. But to then claim that the release of the Sext-Messages (is no one ever going to comment on that phrase, I feel put out?) was a plot of the Democrats is just a howler. And your linking to Drudge with the claim this was a prank that some “democratic-leaning” operative (is that what they call a Republican Staffer with a sense of decency?) gave to ABC is just as much a joke.

    My point is when you slap the bully don’t feel bad when he cries. Read Obermann’s transcript then tell me that Boy George II hasn’t been a lying sack of s**t bully. Hastert certainly has. To claim as he did that the United States would be imperiled if he is not re-elected to Congress is to call for the end of two-party democracy in America.

  • I must apologize, rimone, you brought me down a notch…

    no dude, you did it ALL by yourself. 🙂

    JTK: And all without reckless use of profanity, pejoratives or exclamation points.

    LOL, thank you for saying — his !s really cracked me up.

    shortfuse no. 54: when Gore took the high road back in dec 2K, an event from which we’re still experiencing disastrous results (those that we know about), my personal worldview got totally turned around.

  • The dogs are barking!

    I see that you still are too. 😉

    Seriously, JRS, it is to your benefit too that you tone down the rhetoric if you give a whit about your positions.

    To not do so is to show disregard for that which you consider true.

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