Hastert speaks

House Speaker Dennis Hastert (R-Ill.) and his leadership team have been working through the weekend to deal with the Foley scandal The result was a brief speech to reporters this afternoon. Hastert, not surprisingly, did not respond to questions from reporters.

Most of the comments were fairly predictable, but we are starting to see an inkling of a defense.

“I repeat again, the Republican Leaders of the House did not have [the instant messages]. We have all said so. On the record. But someone did have them. And the ethics committee, the Justice Department, the news media – or anyone who can — should help us find out who.

“Yesterday I sent a letter to the Attorney General requesting he investigate to what extent any federal laws were violated by Congressman Foley, and also to find out who might have known about the sexually explicit instant messages. I was pleased to read in the newspaper this morning that the FBI has begun to investigate.”

There are two parts to this. First, Hastert still wants desperately to create a distinction between the IM content and the email. If GOP leaders didn’t see the instant messages, the theory goes, then they shouldn’t have been expected to do anything.

This is a flawed and unpersuasive argument. On top of the fact that GOP staffers started warning pages about Foley five years ago, the emails alone should have spurred some kind of action. And, as a TPM reader noted, “Once ABC got hold of the e-mails, it took them one day to flush out the IMs. That’s what an actual investigation looks like. The Republican leadership simply didn’t want to know how bad the Foley situation was. That’s just as morally negligent as if they had started digging and found the IMs.”

And then there’s the other part.

Hastert called for an FBI investigation, which some news reports indicated was evidence of the Speaker asking the FBI to look into Congress’ handling of the controversy. This is incorrect. Hastert tipped his hand today by emphasizing that he wants federal law-enforcement officials “to find out who might have known about the sexually explicit instant messages.”

As Atrios put it:

So, Hastert thinks the really important thing to do is investigate those who had copies of the IMs and emails like, say, the guys Foley was sending them to in order to find out why they didn’t turn them over to the FBI.

This is a sick and twisted bunch of people running our government – letting a predatory colleague stick around in order to cover it up and then essentially threatening to go after anyone who comes forward with information.

Your Republican Party, protector of predators.

Hastert’s point is being emphasized by several far-right blogs — indeed, it started making the rounds yesterday — which are suggesting that somehow ABC News, and possibly CREW, are responsible for this scandal and they should be the subject of a criminal investigation.

I’ve been wondering what far-right voices would come up with, but I simply lacked the imagination to come up with this. It’s hard to imagine serious people finding this compelling, but be prepared to hear more of this in the coming days.

GOP

Gang O’ Pedophiles

  • “The Republican leadership simply didn’t want to know how bad the Foley situation was.” That’s what they want to do with EVERYTHING, not just the Foley situation. Enron, Halliburton, Abu Ghraib, Gitmo, Katrina, the energy meetings, etc.

    “This is a sick and twisted bunch of people running our government – letting a predatory colleague stick around in order to cover it up and then essentially threatening to go after anyone who comes forward with information.” That’s the general philsopher behind the Bush Crime Family – cover your own ass and go after the honest messegers.

  • Glenn Greenwald called it. The requested FBI investigation into the information leak does several things that make Mr Hastert quite “pleased”.

    The investigation, Glenn claims, will

    (a) exclude the conduct of Hastert and his allies from the DOJ investigation;
    (b) enable him to block a real investigation by the Ethics Committee or an outside investigator by claiming that the DOJ is now investigating;
    (c) triggere a “lock-down” of information on the Hill by enabling or forcing members and staffers not to speak further about a “pending DOJ investigation”;
    (d) intimidate those who exposed Hastert and his allies by triggering a criminal prosecution against them;
    (e) transforme the issue from Hastert and company’s reckless and reprehensible cover-up to whether federal criminal laws were violated; and
    (f) deter and intimidate those who might come forth with more information about Foley by creating the fear that they, too, will now be investigated by the DOJ.

    I hope no one minds that I reformatted and changed tenses on a direct quote without any brackets to indicate it. The source is here.

  • Of course the right came up with some ridiculous defense it is what they are best at. Democrats need to keep this as simple as possible…there was a Republican Congressman who was sending sexually suggestive e-mails and IM’s to 16 year old high school kids whose welfare the House is responsible for and the leadership knew about it and did nothing.

    The next defense from the right will be, “It is disgusting that Democrats are politicizing this issue. Children have been harmed and all the Democrats are only concerned with political gain.”

    The answer to this of course is incredibly simple, “We just want the American people to know that Republicans knew that one of their Congressmen was a sexual predator and did nothing to stop him from harassing 16 year old kids.”

  • Would it surprise anyone to think that maybe these guys let this ride until the elections. This thing is dominating the news and the guilty party is the scape goat. This will effect almost no votes and it taking all the attention off the real issues.

    I am not advocating any of this, but in the realm of problems this country is facing some inappropriate emails/IM’s is pretty low on the list, especially since the kid wasn’t going for it.

  • See my comment from the previous post- Howard Kurtz already uncovered the answer, and it doesn’t look good for Hastert’s investigation.

    From what it looks like right now, the only thing which existed ‘publicly’ (if you will) was the original ‘innocent’ e-mails, the ones about Katrina and ‘send me a pic’. The truly damaging material only appeared when the ABC reporter posted a small story on his blog, the Blotter, and got immediate response.

    Now, this is where I am going out on a limb, but the Congressional Pages are severely politically interested kids. I can’t imagine that they aren’t out there reading the blogs. And I bet that, when they saw the initial story, some of them said, “y’know, I remember back when Foley made some weird comments to me”. And, after a quick search through their IM history, they dug up the relevant materials, and forwarded it to the reporter…

    Unfortunately for Hastert, that’s about where the story will end. The victims had the material, and they didn’t come forward with it, until they realized that they weren’t the only one. What crime are you going to charge them with?

  • We all talk a lot, me included, about what the Dems response should be once it inevitably becomes “the Dems are politicizing this.” Are there any actual statements out there yet in response to Hastert or anything like that? Why do I get the feeling it will be more of the same – the Repubs get all the time they want to frame the issue and, in a few weeks, the Dems will come along and say (inartfully I’m sure) that it’s not enough by which time even I will think they sound like a bunch of whiners….and whankers.

  • Perhaps I need to put on my tin foil hat, but I think Hastert is doing nothing more than trying to cover his own ass. No mean feat when you consider the amount of acreage he has to cover. He’s giving his fellow Reps a little coverage by saying no one knew about the IMs (what ever.) But there’s still a number of other issues that someone will have to answer.

    I also think many people don’t care who had what when. Their minds are stuck on: Kids. Adult. Sex. Republicans.

    Blood in the water.

  • This is from Dale Kildee (D-MI) who is the only Democrat on the Congressional Page committee or whatever the hell it’s called. Why he’s the only Dem, I have no idea but he’s the one who wasn’t told anything.

    “In my 21 years as a Member of the House Page Board, every decision has been made on not just a bi-partisan basis but on a non-partisan basis, with our main concern always being the safety and wellbeing of the young teenagers who serve the U.S. House as pages.

    “I was outraged to learn that the House Republican leadership kept to itself the knowledge of Mr. Foley’s despicable behavior toward the House Pages.

    “I am now equally outraged to learn that Republican House Speaker Dennis Hastert announced today that there will be changes in the policies of the House Page program. Once again, I was not informed of the meeting today, nor was I consulted in any way about any proposed changes.

    “And once again, the House Republican leadership is following the same pattern of unilateral decision-making that caused this problem in the first place in the Mark Foley issue. Speaker Hastert’s announcement this afternoon is yet another example of the House Republican leadership being more concerned with finding political cover for themselves than with the safety and wellbeing of the House pages.”

    So that’s one Dem response. I’m sure the MSM is interviewing Kildee right now….

  • Ed–
    The Poorman has their version here.

    Warning — make sure you’re not drinking a Fresca (to save your monitor) and that you have an empty bladder (to save your chair).

    Other than that, I read a few of the rightie blogs try to spin this. And, when combined with Denny’s “defense,” it truly does boggle the mind how so many people can try to pin the blame on every single person other than the one who actually deserves it.

    Didn’t they spend the better part of 8 years going on and on about how Clinton never took personal responsibility?

    Freakin’ hypocrites …

  • I also think many people don’t care who had what when. Their minds are stuck on: Kids. Adult. Sex. Republicans.

    Exactly right. The GOPs relentless reinforcement on America’s already short attention span is coming back to haunt them. If I were a Dem media consultant, I’d be recommending advertisements with the following message:

    GOP Kids Sex

    Congressman X is part of the GOP that tries to lure underage kids into sex.

    GOP Kids Sex.

    Democrats think its to change Congress. Vote for your Democratic candidate.

    GOP Kids Sex.

  • Homer- when people are busy using gas cans to try to put out their housefire, you just don’t intervene…

    But, for the record, head over to Dailykos, or talkingpointsmemo, where Dale Kildee, the lone Democrat on the House Page board, has his statement posted. I think that his statement covers all that needs to be said.

    In addition (and too tired over on this side of the planet to track it down), Pelosi and others (including Murtha) did make statements over the weekend.

    But really, they didn’t need to. The press loves a sex scandal, and the IMGate (did I just make a new term?!!) Scandal does quite nicely on its own.

  • This excuse it bullshit. Sounds like they employed the Iraq plan to the Foley affair. We knew some of it and we decided to do something (warn the pages to CYA). Now we know more and based upon this new information we are not responsible but we would not change a thing. Oh and find the leaker at all cost, never mind the leak.

    Boy that mid-term recess came at a good time. Every one of these guys can go home and meet with their constituants to talk about the GOP and how they deserve to stay in power.

  • Gang of Pigs. They have claimed morality as their virtue…this is just one more thing that ought to prove the fact power corrupts.
    We have a war, inflation, destruction of our economy, medical care in meltdown….and they cover some pervert’s emails to a page. Get real.
    Noise.

  • Ed- just read that chat, and it was not only sick, but dangerous. Hell, the list of Pages isn’t that large to begin with, so just go looking for the one male who went to a school which used uniforms, where he played lacrosse and attended AP classes. Probably lives on the West Coast somewhere, since the time-stamp on the e-mails is a little bit early for Foley to have been hanging around in his hotel room (and thanks for the date placement, ABC, since not only do we now know it’s 2003, but also prior to his announcement that he was running for the Senate, and just prior to the start of lacrosse season…).

    Seriously, people need to think about these things before they put them out on the internet. With that chat alone, I bet that some people have already figured out the poor kid’s identity.

  • The Poorman has their version here.
    Unholy Moses

    Fresca >>> Monitor

    (I was never very good at taking advice.)

  • Hastert’s problem is the same one the Bush admin. was faulted for by the 9/11 Commission: a failure of imagination. A failure to reason that with this much smoke there must be a fire about. A failure to take seriously a threat until it blows up in their face and then they spend the aftermath deflecting blame and attacking the wrong person.

    Kildee’s statement makes in perfectly obvious that the Repubs know this is a Repub problem. When a whole lot of honesty would have made their failures into a succcess story, the Repubs simply chose to cover-up and flail instead.

  • Castor Troy – point taken (and see mine above pointing out Kildee’s posting – beat you to it!) but when the person whose house is burning down is, take your pick:

    a) pedophiles and their enablers;
    b) torturers and their enablers;
    c) fascists and their enablers….

    Sensing a theme? All’s fair in love and war. Politics is just war without guns. And I love my country and I want it back. So pass the gasoline please.

  • Homer- but will it work? Unfortunately, in politics, rarely does anyone play with a 100% clean hand. There are always political skeletons harbored away somewhere. Sometimes, it’s best to let things play out, and not call attention to your own issues (note that the republicans have already tried to call attention to something from 1983, I think, where a Democrat had a relationship with an intern. Fingerpointing, maybe, but something that would have a lot more gravitas if the Democrats were making a huge political issue out of this current situation. Sometimes it’s better to hang back and let your opponent hang himself).

  • Yep, it’s the kids fault. Or maybe the media. Certainly not Coach Hassert’s. And he will see that the investigation is framed to avoid him and his slimeball leadership team.

  • Castor Troy – if they’re afraid to go after a pedophile because they might have skeletons in their own closet, then I don’t want them in there. Not attacking these hypocrites on this issue because you might not be the agent of purity yourself gets a little too close to not voting against the torture bill because you’re afraid the Repubs will paint you as being soft on national security.

    News flash!: they’re going to do it anyway. Even if not one single Dem says a word about this, the Republican straw man will be cited: “The Democrats want to use this as a political football.” I would much rather be the one coming in on the white horse saying that Foley is a scum bag and Hastert, Reynolds and Boehner are scumbags too, just for different reasons. As someone astutely pointed out (CB citing a poster on another site – there are other sites?), it took ABC one day to find out about the IM’s – what the f–k was Hastert and his staff, Reynolds, Boehner and their staffs all doing? “Overly friendly” emails? To a 16 yr old?? I’m sorry, but “overly friendly” cries out to me – he’s hitting on them. Hello??

    I guess this doesn’t piss you off as much as it does me. I’m kidding of course and we’re discussing the response here but I just think you rub their faces in their own hypocrisy. They’re hypocrites every bit as much as Foley is (among other things) for being on the Child Protection whatever it was.

    I’ll step down now.

  • I was thinking, lots of folks are saying it doesnt matter that he is gay. Well, it sort of does. You see, it has been rumored (and probably well known) for a long time that he is. Had this not been the case, and say, he were married, those emails (not the IMs) could then have been construed, possibly, as just overly friendly (although they creeped the heck out of me and everyone else I know). If this guy were a known womanizer, then H(DL)astert could have thought, well, the guy’s kind of weird, that’s for sure. But since they knew he was gay, they must have realized that his comments about the teen’s friend were not just how impressed he is about what good shape he is in. Imagine Foley is some sports buff, and he regularly works out and does a lot of exercising with these kids as a way of getting them into sports (Im making all this up, so bear with me). Without context, it’s not easy to know just how awful these emails are. That said, we DO have context, and the guys on the hill surely have even better context than us. Now, if they are that clueless as to all the creepiness in those emails, they are truly out of touch with reality. I really cant imagine that though.

    So, my point, is, even if you stretch the imagination, and give as much benefit of the doubt as you can here, there is no way to see this gang of 5 as being anything but negligent, and possibly borderline criminal in that negligence. Given the fact that there was any issue with the parents, they should have at LEAST removed this guy from being the head of a child protection situation. But it is pretty clear they did nothing but try to put everythign under the rug, then tape the rug to the floor around the seams. And lets assume they didnt know about the IMs. Had they poked around at all, they would have found them, so clearly they either knew and lied, or didnt bother to investigate something that clearly should have been investigated. Again, negligent at best.

    Now, the question is, how much other incriminating info is floating around? If these IMs were from 03, then Id bet money they were still going on up til a few weeks ago. So how many other pages will come forward? And what of other emails that were around back then. When they check Foley’s email, which Im guessing they must, what else will they find. And what dates? And what emails went back and forth about the mild reprimand he got from Shimkus, or whoever it was? There is so much dirt left to dig up here, and it already looks really really bad.

    Furthermore, seeing as we’ve been tapping all sorts of phone lines for all sorts of reasons, any chance any call records are laying around about who said what to whom on this back when the emails were known about?

    I smell burnt toast, in a four slice toaster, and one piece of dumbass white bread waiting to go in.

  • Here’s the most alarming thing reported about Hastert today:

    From Reuters: “Hastert said Foley was right to quit just before ABC News made the instant messages public on Friday, adding, ‘If he had not, I would have demanded his expulsion.'”

    Expulsion? Really? That’s something that Hastert pointedly refused to do when Rep. Bob Ney pleaded guilty to corruption charges. Two weeks ago, all Hastert would say was: “The illegal behavior that Congressman Bob Ney has admitted doing is unacceptable. I am glad he has recognized and accepted the consequences of his actions.”

    …By stepping down from his committee chairmanships and ending his re-election bid. Ney remains in office, unexpelled.

    So, sending “naughty e-mails” to teenaged boys is disgusting and demands explusion; accepting bribes is unacceptable, but can be tolerated long enough for the incumbent’s term to end naturally.

  • Remember when the Republicans started rumors that Speaker Tom Foley had a “thing” for young boys? This Foley scandal may be poetic justice.

    As disgusting as it is, I’m more disgusted that it took a third rate sex scandal to awake the MSM. As scandals go, this one isn’t much. As far as we know, the only damage to a page was that he was creeped out by Foley’s correspondence.

    The scandal that “should be” is that the congress fell all over itself to give Bush a war that has killed 2700 and wounded 20.000 American “boys and girls.” It’s scandalous that all the stops have been pulled out to investigate a third-rate pervert instead of an out-of-control president.

    That disgrace has been in full view and putrefying under the nose of congress for three years. Like Bob Woodward’s alleged expose — there’s nothing new there. We’ve moved on to more important things.

  • ‘If he had not, I would have demanded his expulsion.’

    Speaking of expulsion, Hastert makes me want to puke.

    Watching these guys climb up each others’ backs to put some distance between themselves and the mess that they created is a little amusing. However, it’s also very sad to know they didn’t turn a hair as they f^cked up the Constitution, but the very thought of a s-e-x scandal has them crapping their pants.

    I hope Hairshirt is plauged by dreams of Pelosi screaming “What did you know, when did you know it!” for the rest of his life.

  • I’m an attorney, and I wonder if Hastert, et al. could be indicted for conspiracy for their role in the ongoing cover up of Foley’s activities. If Foley violated his own federal law, and Hastert helped facilitate those repeated violations, isn’t he just like the guy who drives the getaway car for the bank robber?

  • An important point, often overlooked, is that the emails — by themselves — constitute ample evidence of suspicious behaviour.

    The press often refers to one aspect of the emails, the request for a photo. But the five emails also include Foley discussion a second underage mail page, named “Will” and Foley expresses his interest in Will, his being underage, and his “great” body.

    So it should not help the Republican Leadership to differentiate between the lurid IMs and the supposedly just “overly friendly” but not sufficiently suspicious emails.

    The emails alone should have raised plenty of Red Flags.

    Also, the Republican apologists claim that the parents of the email recipient expressed a desire that the matter not be pursued.

    But we need to ask, what about the second page, Will? What actions were taken, based on the emails, to protect him? And were did his parents agree that no action should be taken?

  • Hastert might well not have known about this a year ago. He was, after all, little more than Tom DeLay’s grossly oversized hand puppet.

    But DeLay, that piece of human feces, surely did: DeLay made it his business to know everything about his caucus. Given all the other laws and just basic standards of human decency he transgressed in his endless appetite for power, would it really surprise anyone to find out that he protected Foley–probably just asked him only to molest liberal teens?

    It would be nice if reporters began asking about that angle of this story. I’m certain DeLay knew, and covered it up. And he gave Hastert his orders.

  • DeLay… probably just asked him (Foley) only to molest liberal teens — dajafi

    The boy’s political orientation is something that I’d really like to know (just as I’d like to know how those original — only semi-obscene — e-mails ended up being offered to two *Florida* papers)… The boy never worked for Foley directly. And he was from Louisiana…

  • “I wonder if Hastert, et al. could be indicted for conspiracy for their role in the ongoing cover up of Foley’s activities.”

    [Dave]

    You nailed it. That’s exactly why these scum buckets first blamed each other, blurted out all sorts of contradictions to the press and now they’re running themselves ragged with their “We hate Foley” act.

    It’s why Hastert will hold a press conference to announce the Feeb investigation but won’t take questions from reporters – Bet you a dollar his lawyer told him not to.

    It’s why people are making such nonsense comments as “If Foley hadn’t left we’d kick him out.” They wish he were still around because kicking him out would take time and they need time to build whatever feeble defense they can muster.

    A lot of elected officials are deep in the doody ca-ca and they know it. People will insist on answers for this one and the ‘can’t tell ya, national security’ argument that has worked so well for so many years just doesn’t fit here.

    Kids. Sex. Adult. GOP.

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