Hastert’s mixed message

House Speaker Dennis Hastert finally stopped talking to Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity today, and started talking to everyone else. Unfortunately, the message wasn’t quite clear. On the one hand, Hastert says he’s stepping up and making himself liable for what’s happened.

“I’m deeply sorry this has happened and the bottom line is we’re taking responsibility,” Hastert said at a news conference outside his district office in Batavia, Ill.

“Ultimately, the [tag]buck stops here[/tag],” the speaker said of the controversy enveloping the House and the page program, a venerable institution almost as old as the Congress itself.

On the other hand, it’s a classic pseudo-apology.

[Hastert] said he personally has not “done anything wrong,” and he rejected the idea of stepping down as House speaker, a post he has held longer than any other Republican in U.S. history.

Someone’s going to have to explain this one to me. Based on what Hastert said this afternoon, he’s taking responsibility for the mistakes … which he didn’t make. The blame rests with him … except there’s nothing to blame him for. He’s “deeply sorry” … but for what is unclear.

Nevertheless, Hastert isn’t resigning, at least not today. The next question is whether that helps or hurts the GOP. I have a hunch it’s the latter.

I generally try not to link to Fox News, but in light of the developments, this report is particularly noteworthy.

House Republican candidates will suffer massive losses if House Speaker Dennis Hastert remains speaker until Election Day, according to internal polling data from a prominent GOP pollster, FOX News has learned.

“The data suggests Americans have bailed on the speaker,” a Republican source briefed on the polling data told FOX News. “And the difference could be between a 20-seat loss and 50-seat loss.”

If polls like this one start to shape the Republicans’ perspective, Hastert might find it easier to gracefully step aside, rather than endure the whispers and possible intra-party challenges. A poll like this one can generate a real sense of panic for a party already burdened by anxiety and second-guessing.

On a related note, Atrios raised an interesting point today: “The idea that Democrats actually want Hastert to resign is absurd. Of course, he should resign given what he covered up, but from a purely calculating political perspective the longer he hangs in there the better.”

I agree, but I’m hesitant to rationalize events into a framework that justifies itself. If Hastert resigned today, it’s tempting to say, “Good, the GOP is falling apart.” When Hastert doesn’t resign, it’s tempting to say, “Good, he’s an albatross for the GOP.”

In this case, though, I don’t think it’s rationalizing. This scandal has unfolded in a way in which there are no helpful solutions for the reeling Republicans. Their responses to questions contradict one another; everyone is blaming everyone else; questions that deserve answers go ignored; and the party ends up lashing out wildly, without cause, at any passing target (Dems, the media, gays, the pages, the page program, etc.).

I suspect today was part of a GOP effort to say, “Enough, let’s go on the offensive.” But what, exactly, do they go on the offensive with? They made a serious mistake, the public is disgusted, and the best they can come up with is a hotline for teenagers to report predatory lawmakers? [tag]Hastert[/tag] “takes responsibility,” but in such a way as to remove all meaning from the phrase?

If the [tag]Speaker[/tag] thinks today’s press conference will help throw water on the fire, he’s likely to be disappointed.

Interesting exchange between Tony Snow and (I think) David Gregory with some actually pretty good questions from Gregory after Snow opened with saying basically that he would have no comment about the Foley issue:

Q: Tony, you said that the president’s talking about things that matter.

MR. SNOW: Yeah.

Q Does it matter how Republican leaders handle this issue with Mark Foley?

MR. SNOW: I think this thing has to — as we’ve said, you’ve got to find out what happened. This is disgusting, and I don’t think any sane person in any way condones what happened. The speaker’s — I’m sure the speaker doesn’t condone what happened. But you know, the — they’re going to have to — they’re dealing with the problem, and we’ll just — the president’s concern is, you get the facts out.

There are already hearings before the Senate — I mean the House ethics committee. There is also an investigation going on at the Justice Department. You need to find out what it is, you need to fix it.

Q Well, my question was, does it matter how Republican leaders handle this — (off mike)?

MR. SNOW: Well, that’s — again, I think — yeah, and I think it’s — let me put it this way. It is important for all members of Congress to make sure — and this is an opportunity for people to figure out whether they got a systemic problem — to make sure that when pages or other — when people come to Washington, that they don’t have to worry about this kind of behavior on the part of any member of Congress or any member of congressional staff or anybody working for the government. That’s important, because there is a public trust, and people around the country have not been all that happy with politics in recent months, at least if you look at the polls and the general way in which they look at it. And it’s important for people to realize that we do take matters like this seriously.

Q Tony?

Q Okay, but I feel like you’re ducking this a little bit. What’s an important question to me is, is this not a test of Republican leadership?

MR. SNOW: Is it not a test of Republican leadership? In what sense?

Q The original question was: Does it matter how Republican leaders handle this issue?

MR. SNOW: Okay. And I will dodge it, and I will tell you exactly why I’m going to dodge it. Because this is a question that requires knowledge of a lot of details that are not in evidence, certainly not to me at this point. So for somebody to try to —

Q Well, it’s not a trial —

MR. SNOW: Yeah, well, it is. Have you been reading the press? Of course it’s a trial! They’ve got a hanging jury out there and everything!

But I think the most important thing to realize, David, is if you’re going to answer that question, if you’re going to try to assess Republican leadership or Person X’s leadership, you have to find out who knew what, and all those sorts of details. And I don’t know them. That’s one of the reasons why there’s an investigation.

I think it is — you know, it’s absolutely vital to make sure that people have trust in government. But your question — I understand what the question is, because if I say yes, it’s “Aha! They’re going after Hastert.” If no, “Aha! They don’t care about kids.” No, I’m not going to jump into that vat of boiling oil, as inviting as it may look.

Q Well no, but, wait, Tony, you said the president is talking about things that matter —

MR. SNOW: Yes.

Q — national security, the war on terrorism. What I’m asking you is, does the leadership of the House of Representatives, the Republican leadership and how they respond to this, does that matter?

MR. SNOW: Well, people will have to make up their minds —

Q Should that matter to voters?

MR. SNOW: People are going to have to make up their minds. I’ll let you do the reporting — you can do the evaluative judgment on that.

But also, what should matter — do you know what really matters? The kids. That’s what matters. And I think you understand that — I know that. You’re a good dad. And I suspect you and I, if we were faced with that, would probably want to punch somebody’s lights out.

I think it’s very important to figure out what the problems are, what the facts are, and fix them. And I’m just not going to go any further than that.

  • I like the point that Dems actually don’t want Hastert to resign. So the best thing that the Dems can do is to start a drum beat of constant “Hastert must resign.” Then they’ll be caving to political pressure.

    Scumbags.

  • According to two people close to former congressional page [edited out], the now famous lurid AOL Instant Message exchanges that led to the resignation of Mark Foley were part of an online prank that by mistake got into the hands of enemy political operatives, the DRUDGE REPORT can reveal… Developing…

    [Editor\’s Note: Do not post the names of pages. -CB]

  • You’re right, Homer. I’m calling for Hstert to resign immediately! If he does, he caved in to pressure from Dems.

    If he doesn’t, he’ll most likely give us use-able quotes like “he brought it to me in a stack of things” or “it was resolved” or “I’m sorry, but not enough to resign”

    I slightly prefer the latter, but it’s WIN-WIN, if you ask me…

  • I think the best outcome for Dems is if Hastert continues to resist the inevitable, leading to a continuing news story, and then finally gets blown out of the water after a couple more weeks of this when the evidence that he knew or should have known, but tried to cover it up, becomes so obvious that even a Bob Woodward can recognize it. So far, it looks like Hastert’s going to do his part in that scenario –

  • “The data suggests Americans have bailed on the speaker,” a Republican source briefed on the polling data told FOX News. “And the difference could be between a 20-seat loss and 50-seat loss.”

    That I find rather unbelievable. And if Hastert is aware of real polling that didn’t suggest that the Republcian’ts were going to lose 20 seats, he’s not going to buy it either.

    Sounds like an intra-party coup attempt to me.

    That said, Hastert should go because he clearly no longer has the welfare of anyone but the Republican’t party in mind when he (fails to) act.

    And Yes, I’d think it was great if he stayed around and they lost 50 seats.

  • Oh yeah … it was all a joke. That lasted for years. With several different pages.

    Care to share what you’re smoking, JRS? As some 70s band once said, “Don’t bogart that joint, my friend …”

  • The Republicans are sending two messages loud and clear:

    (1) We are all about tactics, and power, and winning the current battle. If Democrats want Denny to resign, then Denny is staying, and that’s all there is to it. Right and wrong, ethics and morality are for losers.

    (2) Republican Congressmen can’t control themselves around young boys, so we’ll give the boys a number to call.

    Now, what mother of a son or daughter will vote for that? I would love to see a poll analyzing the gender gap after a week of process talk, inside baseball, and general testosterone poisoning.

    Game over.

  • Care to share what you’re smoking, JRS?

    Clearly JRS jr is smoking the Straw Man. Now the Republicans are completely sc-rewed. Thanks Junior!

    Actually, I hope the Refugs do try Sludge’s crap in public. They’re running out of stupid things to say and do, “It’s all a joke” is about the only thing left besides terrorists. Venus or a weather balloon only work for UFOs.

    My only problem with Hastert sticking around and acting as a pair of fleshy concrete booties to his party: Being continually subjected to that podgy pile of meat on his neck when I read the paper. Does the man ever close his mouth? CAN he close his mouth? Bleack!

  • Hang in there Hastert!! You can weather this storm!!

    As for the Drudge Report, has that become a parody website? Yes, those devious pages convinced poor Foley to send emails to them asking “R u horny?”. Poor innocent that he is, Foley had never even heard the word “horny.”

  • Shorter Hastert: The buck stops here (pointing to over there) I take full responsibility for the things that never would have happened if not for George Soros, ABC News and associates of Bill Clinton.

  • Josh Marshall is noting now how Hastert’s claims today (particularly that Shimkus asked Foley if there were any additional emails or relted items out there, to which Hastert claims Foley said no) directly contradict Shimkus’s statements to the Chicago papers yesterday (that he did not ask Foley if there were any other emails etc.). The gift that keeps on giving.

    The BEST scenario is that Denny takes this hardline stance and then in about 2 weeks he is positively nailed on a few of his lies and then has to resign. At that point he might even lose his seat, let alone the Speakership.

  • “According to two people close to former congressional page”

    Let me correct you, according to the straw men…. blah, blah, blah.

    But let’s pretend you and your sources are right, then it’s OK to ‘prank’ around with kids about sex, even during a house vote. Why bother patrolling the internet, if Foley can lay claim to that ridiculous claim, so can all the other pedophiles caught ‘pranking’ around. It’s a good idea, will empty out some cells for those damn pot smokers.

    It’s a stupid argument, this is the 21st century and even people with IQ’s of 10 know that is a huge no-no. But when reality kicks in JRS, you will realize this guy is a pedophile and I wouldn’t be surprised if some former pages come out and say he did more then prank around with them.

    No one has mentioned is with all the eavesdropping and mass data dumping, Hastert could get track down some IM’s. I would imagine I could pay $50 right now and get every exchange Foley ever had through email and on IM.

    And why isn’t anyone in the government doing so. If we can’t track Foley’s communications, are we suppose to believe that we can track terrorists ? They can, but they won’t because they want America living under the delusion that that they are only tracking out of country communications, pathetic.

    Hastert can stick around, he is the poster boy for why not to vote republican next month.

  • ***Q Does it matter how Republican leaders handle this issue with Mark Foley?***

    Homer, this is how the mess is playing out. Right now, the House GOP is stuck in a chess game—all they’ve got is a lone King (Hastert, and whoever else gets wrapped up in the mishandling of FoleyGate), and the opposing team (some Dems and a big chunk of the rightwing—Congressmen, the Washington Times, a lot of rightwing bloggers—the list goes on…and on) still has all their major pieces. That lone King is in a stalemate; any move is a move into “check.”
    In chess, when you’ve got your opposite number in such a position, you do not capitulate to him. It’s his move, and whatever move he makes places him in a position to lose that last piece.

    In three simple words: “Hastert is defeated.”

    It’s also of importance to note how so many heavyweights in the uberconservative camp are now lining up against him. The Times led the way; now even FOX is openly reporting that Hastert “himself” could effectively cost the GOP more seats in the House than the Democratic tsunami will cost them.. “A difference between twenty seats and fifty seats” is thirty seats. Dems only need fifteen to take the chamber back; fifty would effectively give them a 36-seat majority—a margin more than comfortable enough to shut the administration’s agenda down “stone cold….”

  • What does responsibility mean? What does accountability mean? I’ve never in my life seen such Irresponsible and UN-accountable boZo’s in my life. It makes me absolutely sick to hear anything more about the Republican party. They are crooked, corrupt, immoral, liers, cheaters, hacks and losers. If it was a democrat I would expect the same from them. STEP DOWN YOUR UNFIT TO HOLD OFFICE. I hope the American people see this as I do. I’m absolutely sickened by their utter lack of leadership or should I say their total inability to lead.

  • As some 70s band once said, “Don’t bogart that joint, my friend …”

    Comment by Unholy Moses

    🙂 Hey Foley was heard saying that just last night and he doesn’t do drugs.

    Ever notice how the Republicans can apologize all day without taking responsibility or guilt. The Pope is pretty good at it too.

    Hey Drudge, that was no prank. That was a sting.

    This message previewed before sending. Any typos are the fault of enemy operatives.

  • I’m just passing on some of the latest gossip, no kool aid drinking here. If he targeted/went after kids under 18, the guy is a scum bag, pure and simple and should be hung… Clearly he thought he did something very wrong, and hence his prompt resignation. And same goes for GOP leadership if in fact they tried to cover this story up.

    But, what if all he did was have a lurid chat room exchange with someone he knew to be over 18? Does the story change at all?

    Many of you are licking your chops, basking in the “glory” of this story and its negative impact on the GOP… I want to see it all play out more before I pass ultimate judgement…

  • JRS Jr. – why don’t we wait until that actually happens before engaging in such speculation. Foley resigned awfully quick once the story broke. All evidence suggests that they were under 18 – the names appear to be out there (or were) and I would imagine that ABC or someone would have revealed that. I think that’s just Repub wishful thinking.

    But since the Repubs are hypocrites, I believe that even the suggestion of it WILL matter to them. Of course, Monica was 22 (but 19 if you ask Hannity) and that certainly didn’t stop Ken Starr. How much did he spend? $60 million? To find out that a politician had an affair. Mercy!

  • In my earlier post…..Maybe I over Reacted

    “House Republican candidates will suffer massive losses if House Speaker Dennis Hastert remains speaker until Election Day, according to internal polling data from a prominent GOP pollster, FOX News has learned.
    “The data suggests Americans have bailed on the speaker,” a Republican source briefed on the polling data told FOX News. “And the difference could be between a 20-seat loss and 50-seat loss.”

  • By Monday, here’s what I predict the right will honestly believe:

    1. The page in question will wind up being a 52-year old blonde woman that Foley was actually married to for thirty years.

    2. Monica Lewinsky will wind up having been a six-year old great grandaughter of Ghandi.

    3. Foley did not enter rehab — he merely went on a vacation to Bermuda with his 52-year old blonde wife and their three kids.

    4. This whole thing was orchestrated by a liberal blogger named Unholy Moses in an attempt to bring the Dems to power just so they can change the Constitution to allow Bill Clinton to serve two more terms in office with bin Laden as Vice President.

    5. In an amazing act of courage before the elections, Bush winds up single handedly defeating the Iraqi Civil War with nothing more than a paper clip, a half used tube of toothpaste and stack of post-it notes.

    Of course, I could wind up being wrong …

  • If the distortions and contradictions of the ascending right over the past few decades haven’t been enough, Hassert’s recent machinations should convince the last of the reality-based public that we are now living in an increasingly unstable, alternate universe.

    How many times has this man changed his story? In the old universe, we’d have called this man a liar at the first contradiction. In this one, we’re supposed to forget whatever he said before, and believe his latest attempt to explain the unexplainable. In the old universe, we’d have called him out for his lame attempts to shift blame to others without any evidence whatsoever to support his claims. In this universe, we just report it. Like Dorothy, we find ourselves in a land where straw men are real, and we dance on along our merry way.

    Some see a Democratic majority in Congress as a worm hole back to the rational universe we knew. I’m not so sure, but at least we’d be moving in the right direction.

  • Always late to the party…

    Don’t focus on the white whale that you let the sharks go free. Hastert resigning is a start, but the Republican junior sharks are pushing it so they can slither on through. At a mininum, resignations or political destruction are due from:

    Boehner
    Reynolds
    Shimkus
    and Hastert

    They all need to go.

    Next, Foley has been an open secret since 1995. Could someone please list in detail every single committee and subcommitte he ever served on. Then please ask every single Republican and Democratic representative who served with him what they noticed or thought about any aspect of the behavior of Mark Foley, R-FL in the entire time they knew of him? “Congressman, you say you thought the behavior you saw (i.e., rides in the Beamer, or constant IMs, or late roll call votes, or overly friendly with the pages) was strange? Then why did you not report it to the caucus, or the Page Board, or the police?”

    Next, read the IMs again and, as Steven Gilliard has asked, find out what happened in San Diego?

    And to all the Republicans out there, troll and non-troll, spinning political equivalency, I demand in all sincerity, “Bring it on!”

    And you’ll have to do better than Gerry Stubbs.

    Democrats, now is not the time to get all wobbly. Karl Rove is not a genius, he just has a bigger pair of lungs to dive deeper into the sewer than the rest of us. The Congressional Republican leadership is flailing and kicking and trying to cling to something to get them out of the water. By all means, reassure them, tell them you will help, and then throw them an anvil.

    Bagging Hastert is fine, but play the long game for true reform.

  • Here’s a shocker-and-a-half – regarding the outing of the former page’s name by the far right (low-hit Okie white trash shithead gets “bumped up” by high quality failed screenwriter Roger Simon), none other than Michelle It-Was-Right-To-Stick-The-Japs-In-Concentration-Camps Malkin says:

    I refused to link to the blogger then and even though the Drudge Report has plastered screaming headlines about the blogger’s scoop, I refuse to link to it now. There was absolutely no good reason to expose the former congressional page’s name and identity. Seizing on ABC News’ redaction failure and reporting errors (more on that in a moment) to play gotcha in a feeble attempt to avenge Foley is not a sufficient reason to obliterate the young man’s privacy. The young man was the prey, not the predator.

    Holy maloly, who’d a thunk it? Michelle Malkin has a conscience????

  • Nice to see JRS Jr. has his head so far up his ass he’ll never see daylight. But the good thing about that is, he’ll never be able to have sex with Mark Foley in that position, either.

  • c’mon you guys. hastert is a coach, a coach!! how can you not trust him like fearful leader does?

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