Heads I Win, Tails You Lose

Guest Post by John Cole

While I, like others, was initally confused why Nancy Pelosi chose to support Murtha, I have to admit that I am more than a little amused at the overblown reaction to the Democratic leadership race in the blogosphere and the ‘liberal media’:

Years ago I spent Election Day in San Francisco with Rep. Nancy Pelosi as she made her way around town. She was elegant, smart and popular, moving from restaurant to clubhouse to street corner in the Italian hilltop neighborhood of a city that is more like her native Baltimore than tourists realize. It seemed that her ambition, and perhaps her destiny, was to be a Democratic Boss in the manner of her late father, who had been Baltimore mayor.

If Speaker-to-be Pelosi is going to succeed as Speaker of the House, she had better learn—fast—from the fiasco known as the Hoyer-Murtha Race. She violated every conceivable rule of Boss-like behavior: she lost, she lost publicly, she lost after issuing useless and unenforceable threats to people she barely had met, knowing (or having reason to know) that they would tell the world about her unsuccessful arm-twisting. And she lost big: by 149 to 86 votes.

Maybe it is that important- maybe this will lead Democrats within the caucus to think they can now steamroller Nancy Pelosi, and maybe this has damaged her image with the American public. I am betting most of the American people, when queried on the issue, will give the same response my mother gave- “Who are James Murtha and Danny Hoyer?”

A snide observer might note that what you saw was just a real leadership struggle. Compare and contrast that to what is happening within the Republican House caucus, in which they just extended the middle finger to the public and elected the same exact leadership that was in place- Boehner and Blunt. No struggle, no debate, no chance for fresh blood- just a nice orderly succession in the DeLay bloodline.

Regardless, you have to love the right-wing spin on this whole affair- “Hoyer Humiliates Pelosi” is the typical response, and you can bet that a whole series of posts detailing the corruption of Rep. Murtha had to be shelved with Hoyer’s victory. Given that this is the same crew who, after being demolished at the polls on election day, claimed that Conservatism had won, that would be a pretty safe bet.

This was a leadership struggle, nothing more, and I do not think drawing any larger conclusions about whether or not the Democrats can work together makes any sense- after twelve years out of power, it is safe to say they are united against the Republican party (if there was a gaffe in all of this, it was Pelosi using the phrase “Truth to Power” in her remarks yesterday). Despite the best efforts of the media and the GOP to spin this as a terrible blunder, it will amount to little more than a blip, especially as the oversight begins in earnest this January.

John, welcome: it’s great to have an honest conservative posting.

you say here what i’ve said elsewhere: outside of washington and a small number of political junkies, nobody cares about hoyer v. murtha.

meanwhile, the predictable idiocies and blather of the pundit class, ignoring the gop leadership issues (welcome back, trent lott!) while playing the “divided democrats” card, remind us once again of how intellectually corrupt the charmed circle is.

happily, the charmed circle means less and less as blogging offers us so many more interesting, informed, and insightful voices.

  • And, of course, if the right were at all honest about this, it would welcome Hoyer’s victory. Look how they went after Murtha, a decorated veteran, after he, a pro-military conservative, came out in support of withdrawal. Not that Hoyer is a McCain-style hawk, but he’s generally more moderate on Iraq than the Murtha-Pelosi wing of the party.

    But spin is spin. And we’ll get more of it.

  • Crimeny! BJ’s John Cole and TMV’s Michael Stickings on a post at Carpetbagger! Cross-pollination at it’s best. I like what I see happening in the blogsphere!

    Oh, and spot on, John.

  • Isn’t it “Steny” Hoyer, not “Danny.”

    I think that’s the point. John’s mom didn’t even get the names right. (Also, Jack Murtha, not “James.”)

    Anyway, I’m glad to see other people shrugging over all this. The media’s been in a lather, but I really don’t think it means a thing.

    CNN has had its panties in a wad all morning about this, going so far as to get completely unbiased and totally impartial opinion on the matter from former Clinton impeachment leader and Gingrich acolyte Bob Barr. Oh, Bob Barr thinks the Democrats are doing poorly? Do tell!

  • Personally, I’m not all that encouraged by the fumbling of Ms Pelosi, or by Murtha’s ethical compass, or by the K-street-lite approach of Hoyer.

    But the team we got is still 100% better than the Rethuglicrooks, so here we are. I say if we let the new blood work their magic, we will get even better. But the old guard needs to listen up, the age of blogs is going to either carry them to victory or crush them along with the corrupt Republicans. The new way demands openness, and is intolerant of the old style politics. Ploitics is going to be less local, and any dirt you have in your closet is going to matter. The blogs are still in their infancy, and they have already demonstrated the ability to take down large dinosaurs. Next cycle it will be more apparent that the old way is doomed.

    John, there’s one small typo: “a pretty same [safe] bet”

  • I guess those old man-on-the-street interviews have been replaced by polls. I think John’s mom’s reaction shows us what the public thinks about the Ming Dynasty and Louis Quatorze court intrigues the beltway media focus on. I know I am intrigue-fatigued.

    Politics is not Kabuki theatre and it’s not American football in need of play-by-play, color commentators and stats guys.

    Issues. Let’s watch the game and not the gamesmanship.

  • With Bush’s recent asinine nominations and appointments, you’ve got think that the Republicans love Kabuki theatre …

    BUSH: I nominate this “fearful man for judge” (stilted phrase intended). So, I am not irrelevant; i am not a LAME DUCK!

    Laughable and pathetic.

  • Bitchings about bitches is back in style, the new black, which is really the recycled tincture of cynics pretending to discover ‘the real problem’ anew as they forget about the old boys.

  • Democrats–still practicing debate and democracy.

    When the oversight investigations get going in earnest next year, the wall of noise issuing from the Mightly Wurlitzer will be deafening.

    What we’re hearing now is nuthin’ compared to what’s cummin’

    FAUX News might accidentally blow up your TeeVee.

  • Well, unlike the ever compliant Republican House members, at least the Democratic rank and file have exhibited a little bit of independence. Of course, this independence may may the Democratic leadership’s job more difficult, it is better than that slavish obsequiousness that Republican rank and file never exercised.

  • After six years of Republicans cowering under their leadership’s cane while hiding in the cloak room, we now see democracy where dissent is displayed openly and difference of opinion is tolerated. The media thinks that anything short of brutal totalitarian government is a sign of weakness. If Pelosi broke a few legs with an iron bar to get her way, the MSM would say she displayed strong leadership skills. Instead she said what her preference for Majority Leader was and the rest of Congress mostly said otherwise. So for bored beltway pundits, she’s a weak an ineffective leader, oh, and because she’s a woman, she’s also a bitch. Things must be getting better if such pettiness rules the punditry.

  • John, welcome! Nice to get a variety of opinions!

    I believe that Pelosi wasn’t exactly in an easy position– rock-and-hard-place scenario: either endorse the popular candidate or her campaign manager from when she was trying to become House minority leader. No matter what she did, she would have stepped on somebody’s feet. I think she sort of went for the safe bet… endorse her campaign manager, since if the popular candidate won, he would be more likely to be gracious about not having Pelosi’s nomination. I feel that Pelosi may not have handled all of her actions/speeches as well as she could, though.

    Food for thought– if there really was a major problem, then the new House Democratic caucus wouldn’t have unanimously voted Pelosi as the new speaker-elect. I think that the House Democrats will move on just fine…

  • I wish I could say I was amused to hear from our media that Pelosi is already a failure 2 months before she actually starts her new job. Instead, I’m mostly depressed about it (and somewhat angry). This kind of crap isn’t going to change, the next 2 years for Pelosi is going to be one long attack storyline the likes of which Bush in all of his incompetence has never faced. What is most frustrating about this mini-scandal is that Murtha didn’t even get the #2 House Dem. job, while the #1 and #2 House Repub. jobs overwhelmingly went to the even more ethically-challenged Boehner and Blount today with nary a peep of uproar. I’m not a fan of Murtha or Hoyer, in fact I wish both of them would retire and get their vote-for-sale asses out of public office, but the bias in coverage of these elections was breathtaking. Jesus, I need some blood-pressure medication.

  • Could it be the Conservo-matics are desperate for anything that will distract themselves (and their audiences) from the unpalatable fact that the majority of Americans rejected their shrill squeakings about …just about everything?

    Nah.

  • Shalimar: Just take hear that this past election proved they can’t fool all the people all of the time and trust that serious people no longer believe the mainstream media. I remember as a teen in the 70’s reading Hedrick Smith’s The Russians and he talked a lot about the Soviet press and TASS news agency. I remember thinking how sad that the Russians couldn’t believe their press and often had to read between the lines to get at the truth. I recently re-read the book and was struck by how similar today’s America is to the Soviet Union he described. How we took the worst parts of Soviet propoganda and the Chinese Cultural Revolution and wove them into the American fabric remains one of the biggest and saddest mysteries to me. Can you imagine 8 years ago even discussing the possibility of torture and “pre-emptive war’? Once upon a time in our recent past it was unthinkable America would even discuss such things. Now they’ve been institutionalized. It can lead to high blood pressure, but it can also lead to a great nation waking up. Don’t give up hope!

  • The translated names of the two major Soviet news sources were “The Truth” and “The News”.

    Hence the Russian saying: “In The Truth there is no news and in The News there is no truth”.

  • What Lance (@18) says. Which is why we (in Poland) read the official papers during the day and listened to Radio Free Europe and Voice of America (also biased, but useful as the OPOV, with truth somewhere in the middle) at night, when the signal wasn’t blocked. Oh, and to BBC– the least biased of them all — but that was in English, so not everyone could.

    Doubting Thomas, we now have another point of convergence: the fake, Kafka-esque, trials (military comissions)

  • What I’d like to ask the MSM is have you ever heard the line, “Organizing Democrats is like herding cats?” This has long been one of the Party’s strengths and sometimes its downfall. But the one time the Dems got organized the R’s kicked them out. (they sucked, they had it coming, hopefully they learned something)

    A disclaimer: I’m a lefty Dem and I participate in herding cats…

  • Pelosi’s Murtha blunder will indeed be a blip — UNLESS she follows it up by nominating Alcee Hastings. Whether she succeeds in force-feeding him to the House Dems or they successfully rebel again, this will be a humiliating indication of consistent and dangerous incompetence and/or tolerance of corruption on the part of their current leader, and if they have any sense they’ll dump her fast in that case and get the press back onto the main storyline.

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