Heavyweights head to the Hill

At this point, the dust has settled after Tuesday’s contests in Indiana and North Carolina. What’s the state of the Democratic race? Consider an anecdote: when Barack Obama was making the rounds on Capitol Hill yesterday, he stopped by the House to visit with lawmakers and shake a few hands.

Rep. Yvette Clarke (D-N.Y.) greeted Obama with great enthusiasm, asking him to autograph a newspaper headline under an Obama photo that read, “It’s His Party.”

Clarke is one of Hillary Clinton’s superdelegates.

Consider another anecdote: House Ways and Means Committee Chairman Charlie Rangel was asked about Clinton’s quote about hard-working “white people,” and responded, “I can’t believe Sen. Clinton would say anything that dumb.” Shortly thereafter, he saw Obama on the House floor, and gave him a bear hug. Rangel is, of course, one of Clinton’s most enthusiastic supporters.

Both of the Democratic heavyweights were on the Hill yesterday, but given the reactions, one gets the sense that the party knows who the nominee will be and is ready to move on to the general election.

Even as Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton persisted with her campaign for the nomination, Mr. Obama made a celebratory return to the Capitol, where he received an enthusiastic reception on the House floor in an appearance staged to position him as the party’s inevitable nominee.

Behind the scenes, there were new discussions between Mr. Obama and the party leadership. Senior Democratic officials said he met with Speaker Nancy Pelosi when their paths crossed at Democratic Party headquarters. They had spoken by telephone earlier in the week. Ms. Pelosi and Mrs. Clinton have had no known recent talks.

Obama went out of his way to make clear he had no interest in trying to pressure Clinton out of the race — any such efforts would be seen as disrespectful and would further deepen a party rift — but given the circumstances, he doesn’t even have to try.

Mr. Obama’s very public arrival in the House chamber on Thursday morning underscored the fact that the most important front in the Democratic nominating fight was suddenly Washington, where many of the superdelegates were milling around on the House floor voting on amendments to a housing bill.

And it was in marked contrast to Mrs. Clinton’s private meetings near the Capitol the day before as she sought to convert undecided lawmakers. Aides to Mr. Obama said they saw his visit as an opportunity to create an image of Mr. Obama as the soon-to-be-nominee. Elated members on the floor seemed to share that view.

“I think he is feeling comfortable and confident, and he should,” said Representative Ed Perlmutter of Colorado, an Obama backer. “My colleagues are beginning to really see him as the candidate. The consensus is that he is the nominee.”

On a related note, two more superdelegates — Reps. Brad Miller of North Carolina and Rick Larsen of Washington — announced their support for Obama, narrowing Clinton’s superdelegate edge (according to CNN’s count) to just seven. The Hill added that the Miller and Larsen endorsements means that Clinton has also lost her edge altogether among Democratic lawmakers.

I’d just add that the race has clearly taken a turn towards the general election. Imagine, for example, if Clinton’s awkward comments equating hard-working people with white people had occurred a few days before the Pennsylvania primary. The Obama campaign would have been all over it. Yesterday, they didn’t care at all. Clinton is simply no longer perceived as Obama’s rival; John McCain is.

Terry McAuliffe said the race will wrap up in early June, presumably after the last primary contests on June 3. But I think between now and then, the tone and tenor of the Democratic campaign will be entirely different from the one we’ve seen so far.

UNELECTABLE OBAMA (Retitled: Third Ed.)
by Publius II

There once was a man named Obama
His life began with drama
An African Muslim father
An Atheist white mama

Obama’s white grandparents
They gave him a charmed life
Raised on the beaches of Hawaii
Far from ghetto strife

He went to private schools
Fourteen thousand dollars a year
Working-class white folks
They were nowhere near

He attended Columbia
Then Harvard Law
A very soft and liberal upbringing
Something Americans eventually saw

He then went to Chicago
Nation of Islam, Farrakhan, Black Panthers and Jackson
The only friends he made
All from the extreme left-wing faction

He joined a radical church
His Pastor downright insane
Blacks and whites, he said
Think with different parts of their brain

His church praised a man named Cone
With hateful opinions he was filled
He said white people were “the devil”
And Gods who love whites must be killed

Obama first ran for State Senate
With permission from Chicago’s Marxist King
A domestic terrorist named Ayers
Obama kissed his ring

He wrote a book called “Dreams From My Father”
From start to finish a racist rant
After people finally read it
They said: “Obama, no we can’t”

He wrote how he rejected his mother’s race
And that Malcolm X was a hero
People had a clear warning
Obama was a dangerous zero

He was then elected to the U.S. Senate
Obama’s ego grew very bold
He barely served a year
I will run for President was the story he told

He spent millions to stage rallies
The crowds would yell and cheer
But then it all fizzled out
Typical white folks, he said, cling to religion, guns and beer

His wife said America was mean
She was never really proud
Her Black Separatist thesis at Princeton
Became a campaign cloud

People said he was a Muslim
His supporters scoffed and jeered
Then his Black Liberation Church was exposed
And Obama’s ugly head was reared

He opened a Texas Office
A banner of Che Gueverra proudly on display
Paying tribute to a Marxist executioner
Americans gasped with dismay

He tried to recover in a speech on race
The left-wing media offered raves
But he said white folks had an “untrained ear”
And abolitionists in Pennsylvania rolled over in their graves

He claimed to be a uniter
He would bring people together all at once
But after his speech in Philadelphia
He proved to be a demographic dunce

He tried once more to persuade whites
But his bowling was a mess
He rolled a 37
Like a 5-year-old girl in a dress

He then played basketball
He drove the ball to the rack
But when all was said and done
He nearly had a heart attack

He said damn those white voters
Their Mutual Funds I will tax
I’ll double the capital gains rate
Like an old-school Liberal hack

He opposed a gas tax holiday
He said it wasn’t a winner
$40 wasn’t much he said
Just the weekly budget for the average family’s dinner

He wouldn’t cover his heart
As the National Anthem played
It’s a meaningless gesture he said
But Americans felt betrayed

He wouldn’t wear a flag pin
It was against his One World view
It doesn’t matter he said
And the American people stewed

He first called terrorist Ayers his friend
Then said this man he didn’t really know
More deceit and cover-ups
Obama’s lies began to grow

Then came his anti-American Pastor
Obama’s mentor for 20 years
He preened, shucked and jived
White people rose up and sneered

Farrakhan, Jackson and Sharpton
Three of Obama’s greatest fans
He tried hiding them in the closet
So not to further offend the white man

Obama’s African-American supporters
President Clinton they once backed
But they quickly turned on Bill and Hillary
Loyalty was something they plainly lacked

Millions of Hillary supporters
Their efforts would not be in vain
They said no to leftist Obama
And gave support to a War Hero named McCain

NBC and the New York Times
They tried each day to save Obama’s campaign
But real Americans said “FU”
And Obama spiraled down the drain

His name was Barrack Hussein Obama
Running for a second Jimmy Carter term
Weak on National Security
A little, pacifist worm

The radical left-wing Democrats
A Presidential race lost once again
Is it really a surprise
They’ve lost 7 of the last 10?

  • Both Clarke and Rangel are Negroes, so it’s no surprise that they’d pretend to support Clinton while stabbing her in the back like this. After all the Clintons have done for the American colored, where is the gratitude? From the the black CNN “analyst” who refused to call Indiana for Clinton because he hoped his people would be able to steal the state, to the “undeclared” Jeannette Council who no doubt planned to be a traitor to her gender all along, black people just cannot be trusted. Yet when I point out their innate sneakiness, I’m smeared as a racist.

  • Meanwhile, Pat Buchanon is saying the race is only half over. Now it doesn’t matter how many pledged delegates there are or even popular vote. It’s all about time, since there is plenty of space between now and August to change superdelegates’ minds. Somebody tell me why anyone puts him on all MSNBC shows.

  • 1 and 2 you’re both racist. 1 you know it. 2. You’re clueless. “American colored, where is the gratitude?” Just wow. You should both be ashamed of yourself. Steve please delete their posts and mine while you’re at it.

  • Now, Mark, don’t go picking on IFP. She’s Insane…and a Professor!

    Sorta.

  • Forget all the racist allegations. Hillary’s continuation in the race depends entirely on her argument that Obama is not electable. How can she possibly present any kind of positive message or image if this is her underlying premise — if I cannot be nominated, he cannot be elected?

  • ISF is also a spoof, so no big deal. Now number 1 is a racist, treat accordingly!

  • But shillary has now proclaimed herself to be the WHITE candidate – she is now DIRECTLY APPEALING to the KKK and even white supremest groups!!!!!

    Evidently her sense of entitlement and the pressure from the same criminal cabal that is behind dur chimpfuhrer and mclame are encouraging her to up the racist rhetoric in the campaign.

    To a REAL liberal or progressive, it is patently offensive to state that the votes of African Americans somehow don’t matter and that the will of the people should be over-ruled by superdelagates so that they can have a white candidate

    Most Americans have had enough of family dynasties – the “bush fatigue” thing. Most Americans know enough history to understand that America was never meant to be a monarchy of 2 elite families for 28 (or more) years: bush-clinton-bush-clinton.

    But shillary has gone too far no with direct racist appeals and vote suppression robocalls.

  • Please don’t
    Ask for
    Reasonable
    Original
    Dialog from
    Your Insane Fake Professor.

  • I am astonished that more reporters and writers have not come out in outrage at Hillary’s very offensive remarks about whites not supporting Barack which in reality she is alluding to racism. I am amazed at how she has been able to divide this country by race and gender with no apparent objections from the thinking public or congressman or reporters, that she has been able to run amuck like a hurricane or tornado and do damage with no one trying to stop it! Barack’s message and actions have been one of Uniting, while Hillary’s has been one of Division! I am proud of Peggy Noonan’s writing who does speak against these racist remarks of Hillary’s who is not only tearing the Democatic party apart but also the nation and Joe Conason, Salon, who also writes about the damaging effects of these remarks. And then there are the racist remarks in this site stated above. It is too bad that we can not move towards unity and goodwill so we can more forward as a people.

  • Sure, #1’s an abject idiot and a comically bad writer, but if he can tell me how he manages to feed his family dinner on $40 a week, I’m all ears. That’s some news we can use.

  • Dear Hillary:

    I know you’re a little short on cash right now, so I will offer, free of charge, to write you a beautiful, powerful, moving, timeless concession speech – I promise it will be better than anything Mark Penn would charge you a cool mil for – so long as you promise to give it no later than one week from today. It will help reposition you as a hero in the party, help unify progressives to defeat John McCain, forward your policy agenda, and launch you into a leading role in the Senate. You have to trust me on this, and, alas, you also need to do this sooner rather than later.

    Deal?

    Signed,
    A loyal and long-standing, but realistic and rabidly anti-McCain, supporter
    Mark Pencil

  • This is just funny – “Republicans Vote Against Moms; No Word Yet on Puppies, Kittens” – http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/05/08/AR2008050802999.html?hpid=news-col-blog

    “On Wednesday afternoon, the House had just voted, 412 to 0, to pass H. Res. 1113, “Celebrating the role of mothers in the United States and supporting the goals and ideals of Mother’s Day,” when Rep. Todd Tiahrt (R-Kan.), rose in protest.

    “Mr. Speaker, I move to reconsider the vote,” he announced.

    Rep. Kathy Castor (D-Fla.), who has two young daughters, moved to table Tiahrt’s request, setting up a revote. This time, 178 Republicans cast their votes against mothers. “

  • How can she possibly present any kind of positive message or image if this is her underlying premise — if I cannot be nominated, he cannot be elected?

    She knows that the same corporate interests that “catapult the propaganda” for dur chimpfurher will diligently “catapult the propaganda” for her.

    She represents the same interests – she saw the mainstream media fraudulently hoist an AWOL alcoholic/cocaine addict into the White House as a “war president.”

    She knows that is she can neutralize the vast majority of those that want to see change in America, the criminal cabal behind the chimp Whte House and the mainstream media may decide to support.

    The corpocracy would love nothing more than a mclame versus shillary general election – they win either way.

    *mclame shameless promises America more of the same and is a blithering idiot to boot – ultimate tool just like chimpy has been.

    *shillary will guarantee more of the same – she has enabled chimpy as a senator on virtually everything.

    America is waking up: NO bush-clinton-bush-clinton junta!

  • @ 1: [ZOMG! B. HUSSEIN OBAMAMAMA IS BLACK LIE-BRAL LOLOLOL!!!!11!]

    …yeah. Don’t quit your day job. Seriously, it looks like the Dr. Seuss from an evil (and stupid) parallel dimension just took a big ol’ dump on my screen.

  • I am amazed at how she has been able to divide this country by race and gender with no apparent objections from the thinking public or congressman or reporters…

    She represents that status-quo – the mainstream media which “catapult the propaganda” for dur chimpfurher knows that she represents more of the same. After all, even rush limpballs is advocating on her behald.

    If you understand that 2000 & 2004 elections were stolen, that the war on Iraq was launched with lies, and that the REAL “conspiracy theorists” about 9/11 are the ones that promote the insane story of an old-man, OBL, on dialysis in a cave organizing hijackers – then it is easy to see.

    The mainstream media is effective:

    (1) shaping public opinion
    (2) providing distractions and/or rational for election fraud

    That is why shillary can run the most shameful racist since george wallace!

  • If William F. Buckley has been a Democrat, he might have said something like this:

    In accordance with the eventualities of the Obama presidency, it is important to note that “certain posts unworthy of naming” are merely representative of the final, dying, fear-driven gasp of status-quo Neoconservatism….

  • To Publius II @ 1:

    You are a racist a**hole!

    You sound a lot like what the Clinton campaign has become in West Virginia…

    To paraphrase the current Clinton position (into really clear English) – “You still have to pick Hillary because White America ain’t gonna elect a ni**er.”

    If anyone had doubts about the Clintons playing the ‘race card’, the last two days should eliminate those doubts.

    To All:

    Insane Fake Professor is a parody. Sometimes unfunny, sometimes really funny, but always meaning other than what the words directly interpret to…

  • I think it’s time for IFP to retire. It was fun for awhile, but give it a rest.

  • I think it’s time for IFP to retire. It was fun for awhile, but give it a rest.

    Yeah, it’s not that much fun to do any more and it shows in my game, which has been off for several weeks. I’ve also been distracted by some tragic life events and have been finding whatsername’s sickness more annoying than point-and-laughable, which will kill satire by putting too heavy a hand on it.

    Well, I made my point, got some laughs and drove whatsername absolutely bonkers (as I gather from her whining about me), so my job here is done. Goodbye, all, and thanks so much for the love. I’ll stay and continue posting under my real handle.

  • IFP is winning the day so far (good on you!), but after her brilliant performance on Wednesday I’m waiting for the incomparable Mary to weigh in.

    Who do you all think will win, the satirist or the delusionist?

  • To Publius II @1:

    Political poetry? Really? Is it suddenly 1830 again?

    And if so, could someone write a ditty that was, you know, good? Or is that too much to ask?

  • I think it’s time for IFP to retire. It was fun for awhile, but give it a rest.

    Goodbye, all, and thanks so much for the love. I’ll stay and continue posting under my real handle.

    Ask me to leave, and cling onto you like a Rautweiler.

  • Folks – get used to santorum-for-brains like #1 as this election will show the soul of America.
    What would you expect from people who take their morality cues from drug-addled thrice-divorced consumers of third world prostitution? Oh, and they feel morally superior to you and me.
    No, I don’t understand it, either.

  • @ 21: Goodbye, all, and thanks so much for the love. I’ll stay and continue posting under my real handle.

    Salute! You’re an inspiration to us all. 🙂

  • Oh – mary is too busy organizing the kkk, nazis, and other racist groups on behalf of shillary. Don’t expect to see much of her until they hold their cross-burning rallies in WV leading up to the primaries.

    They she will be back proclaiming aryan supremacy and how unimportant African Americans are. Folks like her hide behind “liberal” and “progressive” traditions and undermine them by using racism to divide and conquer.

    IFP – so what is your “real” handle? If shillary somehow steals the nomination in order to “save the white race”, we will see an emergence of mary and her ilk.

    She will also be back in full-force after the racist coup in WV, proclaiming that those illiterate inbred hillbillies PROVE that obama is not electiable. After all, if those ignorant people can be conned into voting against their best-interests, maybe the rest of America can too.

    Will you return as the IFP then?

  • During his run for President, Wesley Clark learned that you have to ingratiate yourselves with the elites within the Party and DC, build up donors, etc. He tried to make up for that by endorsing Hillary and becoming a vital part of the Party.

    I hope Obama doesn’t hold Clark’s support of Hillary against him. He’s an outsider, like Obama is, and choosing him as a VP would be a nice fig leaf to Hillary supporters in the name of unity, while sending a clear message that the country club is going to have to revamp its membership rules.

    Clark also balances out any “experience” or lack of service in the military.

    That’s my pitch.

  • The ghost of the 1960s-era George Wallace/Lester Maddox/etc Democratic party rides again!

  • Will you return as the IFP then?

    I rather think that Racer X’s view is the majority one — the joke’s getting old. And it’s not like I don’t smack whatsername around all day long under my real handle. We’re all free to do so; she provides plenty of material. I still don’t know if she’s for real or just real, real sick.

    mercenaryscookbook, whose satire beats me like homemade biscuits, must never leave, however. He or she is freaking brilliant.

  • Man, I don’t get the love for Wes Clark. He seems to me to be the ultimate has been who never was. So he’s a military guy who’s reasonable about the war. What else does he have going for him?

  • Who do you all think will win, the satirist or the delusionist?

    Just like the real race, the Clinton forces lost this one a long long time ago.

    Take a bow, IFP, and reveal yourself.

  • Re: Obama taking the high road and not pressuring Clinton to quit (ie. not kicking her when she’s down). It’s the same as Obama voluntarily tying one hand behind his back by not taking PAC or corporate money — how come nobody ever gives him props for that? What a concept: a politician who takes the high road. Come to think of it, what a concept for a politician to even know where the high road is!

  • If you want change, you must be that change. As far as I can see, Obama is the change he says he wants. He has built a formidable organization that has given him the money needed to run his campaign, and has done that from small donations. He will soon be recieveing mine.

    Here is the over-riding issue; McCain and Clinton are representatives of the past. Obama is the representaive of the future. The future is where the people of the United States will live, and Obama calls them to a higher standard of life.

    We have a choice that will determine our future. We can appeal to old hatreds and fears, or we can look toward a challenging future and embrace the ideas upon which our way of life is based. Those ideas being that all men are created equal in opportunity and capable under the rule of law to make decisions about how they live their lives. We believe that when given a clear choice man will choose liberty and justice for all.

    So much is made of “Patriotism” but we often fail to go back to the words that describe the reality of United States patriotism. Patriotism roughly means a faith in our fathers who created our country. A patriot believes that the United States is a united nation that is not divisible by origin, color, creed, gender, faith, or any other individual characteristic and is constitued of people who are endowed by their creator with liberty and justice not just for a few but for all who join into the contract that is our constitution and abide by the rule of law therein stated.

    It was true 200 and some odd years ago, it is true today and God willing it will be true tommorow if we today bear up to the call and responsibility of that call.

    I beleive that Obama understands that call and understands that the Presidency does not assign power to a person, it assigns resposibility and that a willing people cede power to that person when he or she executes that responsibility faithfully.

  • Who’s George Wallace? I read about Maddox and the axe handles. I also heard about it from my Georgia relatives. We love Atlanta!

  • I keep waiting for Obama to unite something. If Obama is truly the presumptive nominee, shouldn’t he be conciliatory toward Clinton supporters instead of gloating in Washington?

    The Obama campaign’s race-baiting is most clearly evident in the reaction to Clinton’s remark about white, hardworking voters. Calling a group of white voters “hardworking” does not imply that black voters are not hardworking, unless you are so oversensitive that writing a letter on white paper means you are disparaging blacks. Call me racist (via IFP), but talking about race doesn’t make you racist. Attributing bad traits to an individual on the basis of their membership in a group makes you racist. There can be no dialog on race (as Obama has called for) when any mention of the roll of race in this campaign is an excuse to call names. But, you don’t really need an excuse to use name calling against those who disagree with you, do you?

    It is hardly racist to refer to working class whites (as a demographic group) as white, hardworking Americans. Obama should try it some time. His disdain for that demographic is inconsistent with being President of all of the people. His current campaign to replace them with a bunch of “new” voters (see Hullabaloo) is a losing strategy in my opinion. You can’t call people a bunch of racists and expect them to sing Kumbaya in Nov.

    The media may have proclaimed the nomination a done deal, but Obama is still campaigning against Clinton. There is no reconciliation so that means he thinks the game is still on. What better source could we have affirming Clinton’s continuing viability as a threat to Obama?

  • Steve: This observation of yours:

    Imagine, for example, if Clinton’s awkward comments equating hard-working people with white people had occurred a few days before the Pennsylvania primary. The Obama campaign would have been all over it. Yesterday, they didn’t care at all. Clinton is simply no longer perceived as Obama’s rival; John McCain is.

    strikes me as subtle and astute. Nice work.

  • talking about race doesn’t make you racist.

    As we keep affirming, that’s correct.

    Attributing bad traits to an individual on the basis of their membership in a group makes you racist.

    Also correct. When one posts, as you did the other night, that black people are always begging for handouts, that’s racist. When one wrongfully claims, as you did, that Obama hasn’t complied with the terms of his school loans and adds the wildly imaginary “maybe it’s because he thinks he’s an ‘oppressed’ minority,” that’s racist. When one imagines that one is surrounded by black people and that black people are in a conspiracy to hide their support of Obama, as you keep doing, that’s racist.

    You, my dear, are a racist of the first order–not because you talk about race, but because you continually make patently racist statements.

  • @39,
    Maybe so. But the pundits and polls showed Clinton would win the Dem Primary running away on Dec of 2007. Who’s currently ahead now when polls actually mean something? It ain’t Hils.

  • I keep waiting for Obama to unite something.

    ROFLMAO!!!!!!

    Guess she hasn’t seen him speak at packed houses with tens of thousands of supporters!!!!

    shillary cannot get that type of support – there are PLENTY of white faces when obama speaks – they are MOSTLY white faces.

    So clinton/mary are lying and this her latest “save the white race” campagn is wholly dishonest – obama has plenty of white support, support from independents, and support from repugs too!

    shillary just has the same ‘ol – but we all know you have nothing honest to add to the dialog, mary, but couldn’t resist this one.

  • Impartial said:
    “May 9th Pollster Electoral college map: McCain beats Obama; Clinton beats McCain”

    Damn good thing for McCrap that the election is May 15th…

  • Maria said
    “You, my dear, are a racist of the first order–not because you talk about race, but because you continually make patently racist statements.”

    Can this not be said also of the Clintons? Or do their comments not count because Bill ‘was the first black president’ or because their comments are subtle and not overt?

  • The Democratic officials on the Hill flocking to Obama is one thing, but Mark Halperin reminds us what the real deciding issue is: him. Check out this item from his list of reasons Hillary should bail on the contest — “The Rev. Wright story notwithstanding, the media still wants Obama to be the nominee — and that has an impact every day.”

    Classy guy that Halperin. The media doesn’t report the news, the media makes the news happen. What a f*cked-up concept of the way the world works.

  • I wonder what the discussions would be like if, under a wildly different set of circumstances, Obama had talked about his support among “hard-working Americans, male Americans.”

    Actually, I don’t wonder. That high-pitched jet turbine sound would be coming from every single woman in America as the top halves of their heads lifted off on columns of rage-fueled flame. And rightly so. But when you implicitly tie that hard-working virtue to a racial subset, all of a sudden that’s OK.

  • SadOldVet said:
    To Publius II @ 1:

    You are a racist a**hole!

    You sound a lot like what the Clinton campaign has become in West Virginia…

    To paraphrase the current Clinton position (into really clear English) – “You still have to pick Hillary because White America ain’t gonna elect a ni**er.”

    If anyone had doubts about the Clintons playing the ‘race card’, the last two days should eliminate those doubts.

    I have to agree, Vet. That’s exactly what Hillary is saying and it’s a shame.
    I’m a Midwestern white male, approaching fifty years old, a blue-collar union man, and I don’t have any illusions about politics writ large. That said, I find Senator Obama to be an inspiring and hopeful figurehead to change the direction our country is headed toward.

    This is one ‘white guy’ who has and will vote for Barack Obama. Hillary Clinton does not speak for me and does not know my heart.

  • Race being injected into this presidential circus was perhaps, probably, inevitable. However, who would have thought the origin of this divisiveness would come from a DEMOCRATIC candidate? HRC has finished herself off for good in my book after these hateful remarks. I never understood why African-Americans liked Bill Clinton so much because he never really did anything to help them. They only thought he did because he didn’t play the race card the way the Rethugs always do. Hopefully now everyone sees the Clintons’ souls clearly. All is revealed. And it ain’t pretty.

  • Why is it all right wing morons try to “fluff” themselves by adopting Roman names for their persona? It’s so 18th Century, and they are so far below the people who used to do that way back then.

    But then, I suppose being only 210 years out of date is progress for these poor pathetic droolers.

    Hey, Publius – can you still outrun people when they chase you home nowadays, like you used to be able to do back 10 years ago in middle school???

  • Mary-

    Grow up.

    Be a big girl and make the big girl choice. It doesn’t matter what you think about Obama or how much you loooove Hillary. You know McCain will be an unmitigated disaster for this country. Period.

    Spare us the nonsense about Obama or his supporters making nice with you. You know what the right decision is. If you vote for McCain or stay home in November, that choice is on your head – and nobody else’s.

  • IFP: you and “Troll Critic 3000” over at TPM have been a breath of fresh air. I hope whatever personal problem you’re dealing with resolves quickly. As a professional writer, I doff my hat and bow low in recognition of real ability when it comes to satire and parody, one of the most difficult things to carry off well, which you have done.

  • Actually, I don’t wonder. That high-pitched jet turbine sound would be coming from every single woman in America as the top halves of their heads lifted off on columns of rage-fueled flame. And rightly so. But when you implicitly tie that hard-working virtue to a racial subset, all of a sudden that’s OK.

    This is an excellent point.

    Among my female friends and acquaintances, and I’ve got a lot, some are supporting Clinton and some (as the events of this campaign have unfolded, now the vast majority) are supporting Obama. Everyone I know can agree that too much of the rhetoric and media coverage in this primary season has been explicitly sexist–I’m not talking about criticism of Clinton’s actions, policies and record now, but of gratuitous putdowns about her femininity and gender-specific insults along the lines of bitch, shrew, harpy, harridan, bimbo, etc. And it’s been really disappointing to see how much of this has come from Democrats.

    You wouldn’t think it to look at TalkLeft, Taylor Marsh or the inside of Mary’s head, but really, the vast majority of women can discern the difference between legitimate criticism of Clinton as a candidate and discomfort with/flat bias against the idea of a woman in the presidency.

    So, having said that, back to my women friends and acquaintances. Perhaps without exception, the ones who see Clinton as having somehow been robbed of her personal due and stripped of the presidency because of her gender–and who refuse to consider that Clinton went out of her way to lose this nomination through her own and her husband’s conduct–are the ones who very strongly identify as women and as the subjects of gender bias, but cannot make the leap to understanding what members of a marginalized minority feel. It’s such an insular way of perceiving group identity that it’s almost drawing a circle around your own demographic. And it’s almost always older white women who feel this way, but not always. I know several white women in their 80s who are strong Obama supporters. They and other women supporting Obama quite correctly see the first African American president as every bit as groundbreaking and worthy of celebration as the first woman president.

    The inability to examine one’s own experience as an underrepresented demographic and translate that to the experience of another underrepresented group–put more baldly, the adolescent self-absorption and lack of connection to others–seems to be what defines few angry dead-enders who say it’s Clinton or nobody for them, and who will not back Obama under any circumstances. This group will read your post, Belligerent Academic, and not even be able to grasp what you’re saying. Their minds, like the minds of people who fought against civil rights, feminism, acceptance of gays and lesbians, and every other battle for equality, are just too inwardly focused.

  • Mary: Your Empress is about as much a threat to Obama as you are a threat to intelligence here. In other words, not much.

    Look up the word “pathetic” in the dictionary, my sad little airheaded bimbette, you’ll find your picture there.

  • Maria: your post at #54 is truly excellent.

    As a man who’s been around the feminist movement since it first made itself public 41 years ago in 1967 at the sds national convention in Ann Arbor (where some allegedly “progressive” and “radical” men had an adolescent response that was all the proof needed of the need for the feminist movement, it was so embarassing to anyone with a brain), I have always noted two wings in the movement. The first was that group who came out of the civil rights movement, and who had come to understand their own marginalization and underrepresentation in their work for racial equality – and who saw their struggle as part of the overall struggle for human rights – and the women who came to the movement from outside that background, and who saw it in terms of what they were being denied personally, what they deserved personally, exclusive of a larger movement. These are the ones who went on to become the “professional women” (i.e., those with “professional” employment, though to an extent they also see themselves as “professional feminists”). For them, there’s only one struggle – their struggle.

    A review of feminist history will show this has been the situation going back all the way to the women who came out of the Abolitionist Movement like Elizabety Cady Stanton and Susan B. Anthony, who saw women’s suffrage as part and parcel of the struggle for unions, for black enfranchisement, etc., as opposed to the conservative women who focused only on the vote and even went so far as to make their argument in favor of granting them the vote as a way of defending the white race against all those “darkies” with the vote.

    Anyway, you have certainly identified what I have seen as the difference between the women I know who support Clinton and those who support Obama.

  • You know what I find funny? The Clinton campaign assertion that she speaks for whites (except for eggheads, of course). Like white people are all the same (except for eggheads, of course).

    The reality is that Obama could NOT have won many of the states he won without the support of a significant percentage of white voters. Further, her campaign implies that all those whites (except for eggheads, of course) who supported her would never support Obama. This is just patently false. Barring a total scorched earth–nobody matters but me–character assassination–campaign, most Clinton backers will come around and support Obama.

  • Sad to see today that after she said she would question Hillary about staying in the campaign, Dianne Feinstein has announced that Hillary has convinced her she has a “plan to win” and deserves to stay in the race, with Feinstein’s continued support.

    Of couse, Dianne Feinstein never was a Democrat – she ran as an “Alioto Democrat” when she was first elected to the San Francisco Board of Supervisors in 1969, and hasn’t been anything more “liberal” than a moderate California Republican in the Kuchel mode ever since.

    So, two DINOs (Clinton and Feinstein) support each other – further proof that “birds of a feather, flock together.

    And Di-Fi is the perfect example of the privileged upper-class woman who sees feminism as her own road to success and the devil take the hindmost.

    I think her feet need to be held to the fire for Hillary’s racist comments, whether any other attention is paid to them or not.

    I’ve voted against her every election since the first one, and look forward to the day she retires and we can replace her with a real Democrat.

  • May 9th Pollster Electoral college map: McCain beats Obama; Clinton beats McCain.

    Yeah, after more than a year and about 40 million voters going to the polls, if I was a super delegate I’d make my choice based on a May electoral college poll on the Internet.

    I mean, it only makes sense.

  • A few minor points. Yvette Clarke is my Representative. She is important, yes. I think she is the first black woman to represent NYC since Shirley Chisolm — don’t make a bar bet on it. But she’s still a first-termer. She isn’t a heavyweight — yet. (She will be, I expect. The only reason that she wouldn’t be the obvious choice to replace the WBE in 2012 or sooner is that this would mean Brooklyn would have both Senatorial seats.)

    Rangel IS. If he said that; “The party’s over. Turn out the lights.” (Yankee fans will hear Bobby Murcer’s voice.)

    As for the comment above “I never understood why African-Americans liked Bill Clinton so much because he never really did anything to help them.” Well, it took gays a long time to notice that the WBE ‘talked a good game’ in front of them — but never said the words ‘gay’ or ‘lesbian’ to a straight audience. (Obama has challenged black homophobia in black churches.)

    And those women who see her as a feminist might ask themselves why she is willing to be part of a ‘prayer group’ that is sex-segregated.

    Can anyone here think of any previous contender for the nomination — in either party — who has so damaged their own reputation in the way she has? (I’m not talking about a Gary Hart-type scandal) I can’t, and I consider myself a pretty fair amateur historian.

  • Quit putting Hillary down…

    If you would go back to the Constitution (the real one – not the amended one) you would learn that blacks only count as 3/5th of a person. Therefore, Hillary is ahead in the popular vote count.

    Mary, why have you not made this argument. It is as valid as any you have had for the last 2 months.

  • Wow, most of Hillary’s supporters really are low class, uneducated, ignorant racists. I was willing to give them the benefit of the doubt but after seeing the racist, sour grapes posts, I change my mind. And to the idiots who say blacks are disloyal, if Hillary and her buffoon of a husband did not play the race card in South Carolina, Hillary would still be getting half the black vote – but Noooooo, they felt so entitled to the nomination that they didn’t care who they alienated. Hillary has made a fatal mistake playing the race card. African-Americans are very loyal to the Democratic Party. We will not jump ship and vote for McSame the way Hillary’s ignorant supporters claim they will. We are loyal Democrats; but if a candidate tries to pretend we don’t matter, or worse, that we don’t exist, then don’t expect our loyalty. GO OBAMA!!

  • Some of you are a sad bunch. This election is passed being called racist or divisive – It’s a farce and a catastrophe. It’s a plot and not a democratic process in any way. How can Americans fail to see where we are heading? Tell me please what kind of America do you think Obama will give us and more than that please what are Obama qualifications for presidency? America elected (more or less) Bush TWICE based on Rove genius. Do you like where we are? Well Bush and Obama have the same kind of experience going into the white house. I am moving to Canada! (and I am afraid that is not far enough)

  • @ 54: The inability to examine one’s own experience as an underrepresented demographic and translate that to the experience of another underrepresented group

    …wow. You put that so much more eloquently than I possibly could. Well said, and a wonderful post. If I can’t write ’em, I’ll settle for provoking them!

  • Stacey please tell me why do you vote for Obama (beside his skin color?) Tell me how did he convince you he is the right man for the job?
    I want to know.

    I am white and I love black people. I think they are beautiful and have a very artistic soul. This democratic race and all the voting along skin color made me look at black people differently. I think this election brought racism on the front burner for many – and it’s that is very very sad

  • If the DNC elects Obama as the official candidate for the Presidency, I am changing lanes and becoming a Republican. There is no way, I will vote for someone who hates White people, and attended a Fundamentalist church as the one lead by Rev. Wright. Obama is the president for the “Black Community”, yet his life couldn’t have been more white. He has no clue as to what Black America goes through. He was raised in a White atmosphere. PEOPLE WAKE UP!!! He is just using the fact that he has black skin, but inside he is as white as any other White american.

  • No longer democrat,

    I can’t speak for anyone else, but I voted for Obama for many reasons. He is intelligent. He studies constiutional law and lectured on the subject. He chose to do community service after law school when he could have gotten a high-paying, high-powered job at any number of law firms. He was right on Iraq when it mattered–before the invasion. In the Illinois legislature he pushed for and finally got video recording for ALL police interogations–even earning police support by addressing some of their concerns in the matter. For me, these things and many others show a man of solid values, a man of integrity, and a man of good judgement.

    And by the way, if you take in his years in the Illinois legislature and the US Senate, Barack Obama actually has MORE experience in government than Hillary Clinton.

    But beyond all of this, I just want to say that the time has come to come together. The Dems will soon have a nominee, and whether it is Clinton or Obama we must support that person.

  • @ 67:

    Did you even read what you were writing? Let’s see…

    There is no way, I will vote for someone who hates White people

    He is just using the fact that he has black skin, but inside he is as white as any other White american.

    So he’s a self-hating white American with black skin? Go huff some more paint.

  • I think they are beautiful and have a very artistic soul. -No longer democrat

    I highly doubt you ever were a Democrat to begin with. You should know that atrributing any trait, even positive traits, to an entire race of people is racist. It’s stereotyping.

    Like saying Asians are good at math, or African Americans are good at sports.

    Stacey please tell me why do you vote for Obama (beside his skin color?) -No longer democrat

    I may not be Stacey, but allow me to take a stab at this:

    1. Organization – He is competitive in states Hillary and the establishment have written off for years. I never thought we’d see someone generate such a successful ground game in so many states so quickly. This is evidenced by the amount of money and donors he has.

    2. Judgment – Regardless of not having the ability to vote against it, he spoke out against the war. He is the only candidate running currently who did not support starting the war in Iraq. I admire his ability not to be swept up into the belligerent nationalism that engulfed the United States following 9/11. Hillary just checked the weather vane, Obama took a stand.

    3. Integrity – He won’t pander; he had an honest discussion with the American public about suspending the gas tax. Why did he know so much about it? Because he’d supported one before and saw it was a failure. He had the guts to admit that.

    And that’s just the tip on the iceberg.

  • …he has black skin, but inside he is as white as any other White american. -Luciana del Villar

    So he’s a Mallo-Cup? Mmmm. Tasty. And we don’t capitalize ‘white,’ but we do capitalize ‘American.’

    Get it straight: only Clinton’s support has a racial bias. Obama has about an equal number of support among blacks and whites.

  • He is just using the fact that he has black skin, but inside he is as white as any other White american. — Luciana del Villar, @ 67

    I find it interesting that you capitalize “white” but not “American”; does it say something about your own priorities? And have you looked at your screed from the point of consistency and logic? 4 sentences above the one quoted, you claim Obama hates white people. Do you mean he hates himself??

    For me, the fact that he can relate to both black and white America is a tremendous plus — we all bleed in red, no matter the surface differences.

  • Maria @54 wrote, “Everyone I know can agree that too much of the rhetoric and media coverage in this primary season has been explicitly sexist…I’m not talking about criticism of Clinton’s actions, policies and record now, but of gratuitous putdowns about her femininity and gender-specific insults along the lines of bitch, shrew, harpy, harridan, bimbo, etc.

    No, everyone cannot agree.

    I read the news and blogs daily and intensely. I have never, not once, seen any of these words (or the like) used in reference to Hillary or any of her supporters. Undoubtedly, stray bloggers or commenters or pundits (e.g. Chris Matthews) disgraced themselves by stooping to that level, but to imply that such insults were commonplace or indicative of the whole (or large portion of the whole) is, in fact, utterly false.

    Any bias against a woman president among Democratic voters was almost nil. The far majority of Democrats celebrate having a woman as Speaker of the House, and Nancy Pelosi continues to make us proud. Indeed, most Democrats do look forward to the day that we send our first [Democratic] woman to the White House. That doesn’t mean we should send the first woman to come along, if her positions, values, judgement, skills, campaign or some combination of these aren’t consistent with our ideals.

    I strongly supported Hillary’s candidacy from the beginning, but as far as I’m concerned, she repeatedly disgraced herself along the way. This male refuses to be painted a sexist (or allow others to be slimed as such) because I don’t approve of of the dishonest, condescending and cynical tactics she employed throughout her campaign.

    Undoubtedly, women continue to be discriminated against in all segments of society and culture, and such discrimination is especially evident in the workplace in the form of pay equity and opportunities for advancement. But with all due respect, Maria’s introductory comments implying commonplace sexist rhetoric and media coverage, and any implication that such sexism was an obstacle to Clinton’s campaign, is absolute nonsense.

    That said, I applaud her call for empathy among minorites, or as she says, those who are underreprresented.

  • Any bias against a woman president among Democratic voters was almost nil.

    True. As I recall, Hillary knocked several men out of the race in Iowa, New Hampshire, Nevada and South Carolina, and she did so with a significant portion of the male vote along the way. There’s still plenty of sexism to go around in our society, but any implication that Clinton’s demise in this race had to do with gender is simply incorrect.

  • “When one posts, as you did the other night, that black people are always begging for handouts, that’s racist. When one wrongfully claims, as you did, that Obama hasn’t complied with the terms of his school loans and adds the wildly imaginary “maybe it’s because he thinks he’s an ‘oppressed’ minority,” that’s racist. When one imagines that one is surrounded by black people and that black people are in a conspiracy to hide their support of Obama, as you keep doing, that’s racist.”

    I didn’t say any of these things, Maria. These are your rewordings of more complex ideas, that you apparently failed to understand. I said he took his sweet time paying back his loans, when he and his wife (who makes plenty of money) clearly could have paid the loans back sooner. As an academic working with students who need such loans, it bothers me when people do not take their loans seriously. He only paid his loans when he decided to run for president, because it is obvious that his outstanding loans would have been an issue for him. I commented on his lack of sense of urgency about that — speculating that maybe he feels the money was owed him (one of several hypothesized reasons for stretching things out so long). I also posted belatedly about my estimate of the percentage of blacks in Chicago (maybe you missed it) and stated that (1) the percent was for minorities combined, not just blacks; (2) the percent was higher during the time period I lived in Chicago but has been steadily declining since then; and (3) the figure was accurate for that time period, although not for now. You still keep accusing me of being a racist because I must feel uncomfortable around blacks or I wouldn’t have overestimated — that is idiotic given that you know nothing whatsoever about me, including my race, where I work (and how many African Americans there are in my department and among my students) and who my family and friends are. Your knee-jerk assumption that anyone who says things about race that you disagree with, must be a racist, makes any sort of dialog about race impossible — something Obama has himself stated.

    Calling someone a racist is one of the strongest epithets you can use toward a liberal. You are doing this to discredit me and my statements, clearly, but it is an ugly thing to do. Not that you think much about any of the disgusting and overheated remarks you make.

  • Mary, I’ve got a very busy afternoon, so I have no time at the moment to search for and post your exact statements re “begging blacks” (you may not recall this one–it was posted very late at night and had a strong whiff of alcohol about it) and Obama’s school loans (not sure I can find the Chicago conversation in which you kept moving the goalposts, but no, those numbers as you quoted them have never been anywhere near correct for any time period, even for all minorities as you desperately tried to amend your words to mean). Meanwhile, yes, you did say these things; yes, you’re lying now about your actual statements and their context; yes, you still don’t get why your school loan “hypothesis” (and the quotation marks you put around “oppressed”) are purely racist (to get a clue, imagine your reaction if we said that the reason Clinton thinks she can stiff campaign vendors [something she’s actually doing, unlike Obama violating the terms of his debt] is probably that she thinks she’s an “oppressed” gender).

    And yes, I will later post these links. If anyone else can find them quickly (TR’s got a great memory for this kind of thing), post away.

    I will state again for everyone else’s benefit–you are incapable of processing this–that I do not assume that anyone who says things about race that I disagree with is a racist. I am very specifically identifying you as one, and the things you have said quite strongly back this up. Your habit of brushing off criticism targeted directly at your outrageous conduct and pretending that it’s general criticism “all Clinton supporters,” “all people who talk about race,” etc., is a very ineffective way of avoiding responsibility for your own, very personal failings. No one is buying it except you–but then, you have a lot of ego and self-image invested in not examining your own character too closely. In that sense, you mirror your chosen candidate to an almost uncanny degree.

    I strongly supported Hillary’s candidacy from the beginning, but as far as I’m concerned, she repeatedly disgraced herself along the way. This male refuses to be painted a sexist (or allow others to be slimed as such) because I don’t approve of of the dishonest, condescending and cynical tactics she employed throughout her campaign.

    I take it you’re new to my posts, Joe? Take a little look around and you’ll find about 500 examples of my strongly criticizing Clinton’s behavior and tactics and just about as many repetitions of my belief that she absolutely does not deserve the presidency (or, in my opinion, just about any public office) because of it. You didn’t read my post with much attention, I fear.

    I stand by my statement that there has been a good deal of sexist commentary regarding Clinton, and it’s quite easily located in blog posts and comments threads, cable news transcripts and columns. (If you doubt me, try googling Clinton’s name in combination with any of the epithets I mention, for example.) Pretending this doesn’t exist is silly, sophomoric and as blindered as the commentary of the Clintonites who think that misogyny is the reason for her downfall. This isn’t a zero-sum proposition, and the bizarrely binary view that “since Clinton has behaved abominably, there hasn’t been any sexist criticism whatsoever” isn’t any more useful than the Clinton dead-enders’ belief that because Clinton has been the target of gendered insults, sexism is keeping her from the nomination she actually went out of her way to lose. The fact is, she fucked up deluxe, and acknowledging the gender-specific insults tossed her way doesn’t minimize her culpability for his defeat in any way. Most people realize this and don’t fall for the either-or syndrome, which was, in fact, one of the major points of my post.

  • That search actually just took a moment.

    Mary says: “Hispanics eschew handouts while African Americans (as exemplified by Obama’s programs on their behalf, which is the major portion of his legislative record) seem to be always begging and demanding that others help them.”

    Mary says: “maybe he thinks that HE doesn’t have to pay back student loans because he is a member of an oppressed minority.” (Note that race had not been a part of, and certainly was not by any reasonable measure relevant to, this conversation, but Mary felt the need to insert it here.)

    I misremembered that you’d put quotation marks around “oppressed’–seems you didn’t. Apologies for this single misstatement.

    I’m confidently content to let everyone be their own judge of these and other statements Mary has made and continues to make concerning African Americans.

  • IFP,

    I’ll stay and continue posting under my real handle.

    I know I’m awfully late to the party, but I must say I’ll miss your posts.

    And I’d like to add my voice to the chorus asking you to tell us your other handle. I’ve got some guesses, but I’d love for you to actually tell us.

    Finally, would you reconsider assuming a satirical faux-commenter for the general election? I think it would be great to read your parody of a McCain “supporter”.

  • Maria,

    You’re clearly an intelligent and thoughtful person, and I suspect we agree on 99.99 percent of the issues. But we don’t seem to be communicating here. I’ll ignore the “silly”, “sophomoric”, and other such complements and get to the meat of your reply.

    No, I’m not familiar with your other posts. I was responding specifically to comment no. 54 above, which I read quite thoroughly.

    Your misleading quotation marks notwithstanding, I neither wrote nor implied that “since Clinton has behaved abominably, there hasn’t been any sexist criticism whatsoever”. Such an implication would be, as you said, bizarre. Yes, undoubtedly, there were fringes of so-called Democrats who voted against her because of her gender. Yes, some so-called Democrats tried to persuade others to vote against Hillary because of her gender. Yes, some so-called Democrats and liberal bloggers (and one member of the traditional media that I know of) lobbed disgusting, sexist epithets that arose entirely out of gender bias.

    Some. Not all. Not most. Among progressive voters, not even a statistically significant percentage. Some. As I wrote earlier, any implication that such insults were commonplace or indicative of the whole (or large portion of the whole) is false.

    And no, I didn’t claim or “pretend” that sexist commentary regarding Clinton “doesn’t exist”. Of course, as you wrote, there’s been a good deal of such commentary floating all over cyberspace. But relative to those loyal to the Democratic party, relative to those blogging about issues that progressives care about, the amount of such commentary is negligible. Undoubtedly, most of the trash one would find with such a search arises from the fringes who still approve of George Bush and/or hardcore members of the Southern Baptist Convention (“A wife is to submit herself graciously to the servant leadership of her husband…”).

    I want to be clear. Almost nil does not mean nil. Negligible does not mean none. Not commonplace does not mean nonexistent. Saying that such rhetoric and attitudes wasn’t indicative of the whole (or a significant portion of the whole) is not failing to acknowledge such gender-specific insults were tossed Clinton’s way.

    Among progressive bloggers and comments, among the traditional media, among Democratic voters, it’s not true that, as you stated in 54 above, “much of the rhetoric and media coverage in this primary season has been explicitly sexist” unless you define “much” as statistically insignificant. I’m just trying to keep things in perspective.

    We agree, Hillary is culpable for her defeat…not her gender.

  • 64. On May 9th, 2008 at 1:07 pm, No longer democrat said:
    I am moving to Canada! (and I am afraid that is not far enough).

    Sorry old man; we do not accept those who are “no longer a democrat”. You see we are a democracy up here and are a little picky about who we let in. So sorry old chap. Better hunker down in the USA and keep your mouth shut, lest the Homeland Security people come and get you. It’s alleged that they too look unkindly upon people who are no longer democrats.
    Best of luck
    DC

  • Maria, there was an article published in the LA Times that described the unwillingness of Hispanic students to accept financial aid, and how it undermines their ability to go to grad school or to finish quickly, since they must work long hours and they wind up with lower gpas because they work. Obama on the other hand attended a $14,000 prep school while referring to his mother’s need for food stamps. That’s a handout. Obama’s social programs provide assistance to needy people. Those are handouts. I don’t begrudge them that, but there is a sense of entitlement among some African Americans and these are govt handouts. Among Hispanics, there is a reluctance to take advantage of such programs, partly because they are worried they will be harrassed over immigration status, but also because they believe families should solve their own problems — there is an issue of pride involved that is absent in the African American subculture these days (although not in the past). These things are documented in the sociological literature. They aren’t pretty and they aren’t true of all African Americans, but they are true of the underclass.

    The context, which you omitted from the quotes above, is that I was explaining why large numbers of Hispanic voters are NOT supporting Obama. I was not criticizing African Americans but explaining why Obama will not have Hispanic support in the Fall. His programs and his attitudes toward poverty are inconsistent with Hispanic values.

    You are lying about the Chicago demographics. During that same argument, someone looked up census figures and posted that it was 60% in the 30’s and there were jokes about whether I had lived there that long ago. I clarified my remarks. I am willing to be chastised for memory failure, but not for racism. But hey, if Hillary Clinton is called a racist too, I guess I am in good company.

    Why not call me a drunk? You call me everything else.

    You are reminding me, however, that it is silly for me to be arguing with someone as foolish as you are. Battlestar Galactica is over, so I’m signing off now.

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