Henry Jordan — redux

I received a surprising amount of feedback over the weekend about a post from Saturday, so it’s probably worth fleshing the story out a bit.

For those just joining us, Rep. Duncan Hunter (R-Calif.), a struggling Republican presidential hopeful, named South Carolinian Henry Jordan one of his campaign co-chairmen late last week. Duncan called Jordan, unsuccessful candidate for lieutenant governor last year, “a great, conservative Republican leader” who agrees with him on immigration and national defense.

This is the same Henry Jordan who, in 1997 as a member of South Carolina’s Board of Education, wanted to impose Christianity on public school students. When one of his colleagues on the board alluded to concerns about religious minorities in the state, this board member said, on tape, “Screw the Buddhists and kill the Muslims. And put that in the minutes.” Calls for his resignation were ignored and the GOP establishment in South Carolina stood by Jordan.

I found this significant, not just as an indictment of Hunter and the South Carolina GOP, but in the context of the “controversy” surrounding John Edwards’ former bloggers. A Democratic candidate hired a couple of fairly low-level staffers who’d written some intemperate blog posts about religious fundamentalists, and outrage was everywhere for a week. A Republican presidential candidate gives a high-level position to a man who once publicly announced his belief that Buddhists and Muslims should be “screwed” and “killed,” and it’s barely noticed.

Some emailers found all of this hard to believe, and suggested that there had to be more to the original Jordan quote. Fair enough; I’ll go into more detail.

On May 13, 1997, the South Carolina State School Board met for a public meeting to discuss state endorsement of Ten Commandments displays in the state’s public schools. A debate ensued about the constitutionality of such a proposal, particularly as it relates to religious minorities. Henry Jordan said, “Screw the Buddhists and kill the Muslims, and put that in the minutes.”

We know that those were his exact words because the meeting was recorded. The State, the Columbia, S.C., newspaper, obtained a copy of the tape and transcribed the relevant portion. When a reporter for The State asked whether he stood by his comments, Jordan acknowledged what he had said and refused to back down. “This nation was founded to worship, honor and glorify Jesus Christ, not Mohammed, not Buddha,” Jordan said.

Asked whether he’d apologize, Jordan told a reporter that it was he who deserved an apology, because his comments had been leaked to the media.

He wasn’t quite done. Five months later, on Sept. 2, 1997, in response to a letter he received from a concerned Muslim about the incident, Jordan wrote a response on his personal letterhead. He told his constituent, “If you are not smart enough to read through the news and see what really transpired from this news event, it is no wonder you think salvation can be obtained by good works and having faith in Allah.” The letter went on to say that Islam ignores “Biblical prophecy,” and Jordan urged the concerned citizen to ask the “God of the Bible, Jehovah, not Allah, and God, the Son, Jesus, to remove the veil from your eyes and hear and reveal the truth to you before it is too late.”

And because Duncan Hunter is anxious to appeal to South Carolina’s GOP base, he believes Henry Jordan should be part of his campaign team.

Now, I appreciate the larger dynamic. Hunter is not considered a top-tier (or even a second-tier) presidential hopeful, so his associations with radicals and extremists are less newsworthy. If Rudy Giuliani added Henry Jordan to his campaign team, this would probably generate a few more headlines.

But it’s an interesting story anyway, isn’t it? At a minimum, it’s further evidence that there’s literally nothing a conservative can say that will get him or her shunned by the GOP establishment. It’s also a reminder that when it comes to religion and politics, the side of the divide that claims to embrace “people of faith,” doesn’t really mean all people.

Henry Jordan needs a load of hot sticky holy ghost up his butt.

I love reasoned discourse.

  • So will Bill Donohue be offended than Hunter’s campaign has taken on a religious bigot, or will Billy boy sit on the sidelines because Henry Jordan didn’t mentioned Catholics as the objects of getting screwed or killed?

  • Religious zealotry and fanaticism are always accompanied by religious chauvinism and religious intolerance. Who comes to mind? Fundamentalist American Christians? Wahhabi Muslims? Not Quakers or Buddhists?

    People of “quiet faith” (or no faith) usually exhibit greater religious tolerance–due to a lack of insecurity about their faith.

  • At a minimum, it’s further evidence that there’s literally nothing a conservative can say that will get him or her shunned by the GOP establishment.

    Very interesting indeed. I like to imagine that if Ronald Reagan were still alive*, he’d take an agonized look at what’s left of his political faction and say, with a single tear running down the side of his nose, “You remember that Eleventh Commandment? I’m sorry. I never thought it would be taken so literally.”

    Yes, this is highly unrealistic, but then, I’m only 24, so I’m not as familiar with Reagan as many. Those who are unwilling or unable to be so charitable to him may find the daydream more pleasant if you just picture him crying much louder.

    * And more importantly, if Reagan were alive and not suffering from Alzheimer’s-type dementia, and if the current president was not the son of his veep… well, maybe I should have said “if presidential candidate-era Reagan got caught in a time warp to the present day.”

  • If Jordan deserves an apology, it should be from Jordan himself—for making such comments at a public meeting, demanding that they be made a part of the official record, and then discovering after the fact that the word “public” in the phrase “the public record” means just that—PUBLIC.

    And we all wonder why “Fucked Up Nationalist Dumb Yokel” is abbreviated to the acronym “FUNDY….”

  • Jordan told a reporter that it was he who deserved an apology…

    All righty.

    Dear. Mr. Jordan, We’re sorry you’re a flaming dickhead.

    Sincerely,

    The Thinking Portion of the Human Race

    Better?

    It’s also a reminder that when it comes to religion and politics, the side of the divide that claims to embrace “people of faith,” doesn’t really mean all people.

    It depends on who is making the claim. If a person like Obama or Clinton (WJ) says it, I believe it. If a knuckledragging filth monkey like Jordan or Donohue says it, I’m inclined to say a rude word or two.

  • This is South Carolina, after all:

    Active U.S. Hate Groups in 2005

    SCGOP and Council of Conservative Citizens

    Republican National Committeeman Buddy Witherspoon is a member of the CCC according to the WaPo:

    “…In South Carolina, Republican National Committeeman Buddy Witherspoon is a member of the group. It was at his invitation that Barr addressed a national council meeting in Charleston last year.

    Witherspoon said: “I’m a member. I’m not that active, I don’t go to all the things.” He described the organization as a regular conservative advocacy group. “They have always been people I have had no problem with,” he said. “Everything to me is fine from what I see and hear.” … LINK

  • Whether or not the MSM or the GOP ever does anything, I think we should be stoking this puppy for all it’s worth, and hounding Duncan Hunter with it endlessly.

    And here’s a good question to ask all the Rethuglicans, no matter who they’re associated with… “Would you affiliate yourself with someone like Henry Jordan, who said ‘Screw the Buddhists and kill the Muslims’? Do you think we should screw the Buddhists and kill the Muslims? What should be done about those who do affiliate themselves with such hateful people?”

    No matter what, this question will hurt them, because the moderate “swing voters” will be reminded how truly radical some Republicans are, and if they answer in the negative, the wingnuts will be demoralized by hearing yet another Republican renouncing violence that the wingnuts think is totally warranted.

    some relevant quotes…

    Say what you will about the sweet miracle of unquestioning faith, I consider a capacity for it terrifying and absolutely vile!
    – Kurt Vonnegut, Jr.

    This would be the best of all possible worlds, if there were no religion in it
    – John Adams

  • “Screw the Buddhists and kill the Muslims. And put that in the minutes.”

    He is a leader, I mean give the guy credit for being way ahead of the curve on Muslim-bashing.

  • Me (to actual wingnut acquaintance): Did you hear about the bloggers hired by John Edwards who said “Screw the Catholics and kill the Jews”?Actual Wingnut: No kidding? Their asses should be fired for that!Me: Oh wait, I’m wrong. It wasn’t a blogger, it was one of Edwards’ campaign co-chairman in South Carolina.AW: Even worse. Edwards should be ashamed of hiring the guy. He should be fried.Me: Oops, I’m wrong again. It wasn’t Edwards. It was a Republican candidate’s co-chairman, and the guy said “Screw the Buddhists and kill the Moslems.”AW: (after long pause) Well, he’s right. Fuck ’em.

  • Very interesting indeed. I like to imagine that if Ronald Reagan were still alive*, he’d take an agonized look at what’s left of his political faction and say, with a single tear running down the side of his nose, “You remember that Eleventh Commandment? I’m sorry. I never thought it would be taken so literally.”

    Actually that’s the only Commandment Republicans do remember. It’s amusing to note that this remark was made in the course of a meeting where I don’t doubt Jordan supported posting “Thou shalt not kill” in public schools. The modern GOP doesn’t seem to do so well on the adultery, stealing, and false witness provisions either.

  • I said it in my original post on this story, and I’ll say it again – why expect tact, taste, eloquence or unbigoted opinion from any member of a party whose leader says things like “I’ll screw him in the ass” when asked how he would handle Bin Laden.

    The GOP has the mentality and vocabulary of “South Park” characters – without the humor.

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