Hillary Clinton’s unexpected (and inconvenient) money troubles

After a rally in Manhattan on Tuesday night, Terry McAuliffe, Hillary Clinton’s campaign chairman, was asked about the state of the candidate’s finances. “Look, if there’s one thing Hillary Clinton doesn’t have to worry about, it’s money,” McAuliffe said.

At the time, that certainly made sense. Clinton raised over $100 million in 2007, outpacing every candidate in both parties. She’s generally considered one of the more prodigious fundraisers in the party, and while her $13.5 million haul in January wasn’t as impressive as Barack Obama’s monthly total, it wasn’t too shabby, either.

Which is why it came as such a big surprise to the political world late yesterday when Clinton aides conceded that the senator found it necessary to loan her campaign $5 million of her own money.

At her campaign headquarters in Arlington, Clinton defended her maneuver, executed last month but kept under wraps until yesterday, to add money to her campaign coffers. News of the $5 million transfer came as a surprise to Clinton donors who had assumed her campaign, which raised $100 million last year, would keep pace with Obama’s. Earlier this month, Obama announced that he had raised $32 million in January alone, and aides said he took in an additional $3.5 million yesterday.

Clinton said she moved her own money last month “because I believe very strongly in this campaign.” […]

Terence R. McAuliffe, Clinton’s campaign chairman, said the team had raised at least $13 million in January, and noted that figure did not include the loan.

Objectively, it’s hard to spin this as anything but a disconcerting development for the Clinton campaign, which should have flush coffers right now.

What’s more, it gets worse.

Apparently hoping to get all of the bad news out at once, officials also acknowledged yesterday that some senior Clinton campaign staff members have agreed to go without pay for a month, which as we’ve discussed before with candidates like Rudy Giuliani, is almost always a very bad sign about the financial status of a campaign.

For that matter, campaign aides refused to rule out the possibility that additional self-loans may be on the way. In fact, the NYT noted that might come sooner, rather than later.

Joe Trippi, an adviser to John Edwards, said the loan is a sign of trouble. “It means she’s at a tremendous disadvantage moving forward. The worst thing to be is an 800-pound gorilla who’s out of money. The cultural shock for the campaign is incredible.”

There are no shortage of angles to this, but here are the points to consider:

* Spending — Considering how much money Clinton has raised over the last year, the fact that she’s facing difficulties suggests she’s spent almost every dime she’s received. If the spending had knocked Obama out of the race, it would have been worth it, but instead, after spending all of that money, she’s still effectively tied with Obama in the delegate race. (My hunch is the campaign spent with the expectation that the race for the nomination would be over by Feb. 5.)

* Maxed-Out Donors — Many of Clinton’s top contributors have probably already given the legal limit, making it impossible for the campaign to go back to those donors now that she’s in trouble.

* Undermined Pitch — It’s harder to reach out to new donors if they’re thinking, “Why contribute if the Clintons are already self-financing?”

* Hypocrisy — Bill Clinton recently criticized candidates who self-finance, and suggested the very approach undermines the spirit of campaign-finance laws. I’m sure he now wishes he hadn’t said that.

* Momentum changer? — If Obama’s fundraising is soaring, and Clinton’s is lacking, it feeds the perception that Democratic donors are making their move.

* Inviting scrutiny — The campaign emphasized yesterday that the $5 million came from the senator, not her husband. Still, this is bound to renew interest in scrutinizing the Clintons’ finances (donors to the Clinton library, analysis of the paid speeches, etc.).

* Obama capitalizing — It didn’t take long for the Obama campaign to respond to the Clinton loan by appealing to his donor base to help respond. The strategy seems to be working nicely; Obama has raised a very impressive $6.8 million since the polls closed on Tuesday.

Now, it’s worth noting that the news isn’t all bad for the Clinton campaign. It’s possible that these financial troubles will help rally supporters. It’s even more likely that the difficulties will make it easier for the campaign to position Clinton as something of an underdog.

But spin aside, this isn’t how the Clinton campaign wanted to spend the days following Super Tuesday.

If you can’t think of anything nice to say….

  • Obama’s people have more ready cash, obviously.

    So which is the best candidate for all those Americans who can’t jump on the internet and donate a few hundred bucks to someone about whom they can’t name a single accomplishment or position?

  • How does one save up $5M by working in public service over the last 35 years? That some serious scratch.

    Seem to remember that Kerry had a similar load last time. But I can’t remember if he borrowed that from his wife or from his own savings.

    Anyway, I don’t have a problem with her loan, but you can be sure others will pile on. Just check out TNR.com today.

  • The Clinton loan provides another example of why dynasty politics (Bush – Clinton – Bush – ?) are bad. Here there is no question where the Clinton wealth came from, the Clinton Presidency. (That’s not to say that it came in an illegal or improper way, just that the money earned by both since leaving the White House would almost certainly not have have happened but for the presidency of Bill Clinton.) Although self-funding one’s campaign always raises questions, to me those questions are magnified when the means to make such contributions arise almost exclusively from a family member having previously held the office which you are now seeking.

  • Seem to remember that Kerry had a similar load last time. But I can’t remember if he borrowed that from his wife or from his own savings.

    I seem to recall Kerry motgaged his house to beat Dean in Iowa, rather than dipping into the ketchup money.

    This is bad for Hillary. Real bad. Why hasn’t she cultivated the small internet donors like Obama? Didn’t she learn from 2004?

    Last night on O’Reilly, Dick Morris was speculating that the 5M came from the Sultan of Brunai. Bill-O defended Hillary and said his show wouldn’t speculate without proof.

    Wow. It’s gonna be Crazy McLame vs. Barak Hussein. Who’d-a-thunk it?

  • Hypocrisy? A Clinton? Say one thing and then do another??? No… I’ll never believe it…

    Oh, there’s some land for sale in Central Arkansas just around Fairfield Bay, any ideas on what it might do???? Wait, housing is in trouble… hmmm, the more things change…

  • For all you genious Obama supporters who beleive he will win if FL or MI don’t get counted you can’t seem to add to well by all accounts he has about 900 delegates with approx 1700 left which we probally be split pretty even so even with all remaining suppers he can’t reach 2025 so all you crap is just that crap. If FL is added because we did vote here whether you Obama trolls like it or not Hillary would get almost 2/3 rds of FL and a split in MI.

    You may think that Obama will beat Mc but there is not a southern state that he can win. Without FL counting the primary most of the people that I know will just sit this one out. Howard Dean your last great savior is sweating his butt off hoping to get somekind of arrangement so he doesn’t have to face the task at hand.

    I have a solution for Howie and that would be if the delegates are tied or close after PR votes June 3 then hold special elections in FL and MI sometime in July paid for by the DNC no early voting no mail in and the one with the most popular votes wins that would solve this whole thing. No supers, no muss and no fuss. That way no one can whine and bitch.

    You can beleive that the gloves will be coming off now and it will get downright dirty and destry the movement. Obama is a good man but his supporters are some of the most vile people I have ever met.

    If FL votes count then if he is the nominee I will vote for him if not I will not vote and alot of other Floridians feel the same way.

  • OK. Maybe she’s getting the money from her books. It still doesn’t spin well.

    “Hillary: Financing her broke campaign with her own legitimatemoney!”

    That sucks. I really like her. But then, I like Obama too. But Obama’s unlikely to pick her as a running mate, since so many of her supporters do things like cross Edmund Hillary’s name off their tents and stuff just to make a point.

    Obama-Edwards? That would work.

    I hope Rachel Maddow will run for president someday. I just love her.

  • I remember someone (CB?) doing a report several months ago on the Clinton campaign’s finances and wondered out loud if the Clinton team was doing the right thing by burning thru her cash so fast. If this fiscal crunch is true, it looks like she was planning for a sprint and not a marathon all along. This doesn’t make me feel all that comfortable with her team’s ability to deal with “change”. One of the top 5-10 rules of leadership is don’t fall in love with your ideas/plans and that you have to adjust accordingly.

    What’s rather surprising to me is Clinton’s “new” campaign strategy. It looks remarkably like the DLC’s original 2006 plan to only focus on the big states they can win. It looks good on paper and seems sensible, but we’ve seen that it doesn’t work all that well. Didn’t work in 2000, 2002, 2004 (and 2006 despite Rahm’s protestations.)

    Obama’s is going more Dean’s 50 state strategy. But the leaked memo shows that he and his team are thinking ahead, assuming a deadlocked convention.

  • “Obama-Edwards? That would work.” (Haik Bedrosian, #10)

    I agree with you. I also agree about Rachel Maddow.

    Even better, the true dream team of Gore-Obama GO, GO, GO.

  • Michael Fox makes a good point in # 4. Would she have $5 mil to “invest” if she wasn’t the wife of a former president? Hell no. I guess having “experience” pays more ways than one. Me, I’d rather have a president who has never had that kind of “experience”, and who primarily relies on millions of people donating a few bucks, people who will never get to go to a $1,000/plate fundraiser. The other thing I can say is thank Jebus for campaign finance restrictions.

    All is not lost for the Clinton Machine though, maybe Coulter and Limbaugh will ask their millions of followers to kick in some cash after McCain wraps up the GOP nomination.

    Ah, the irony of an establishment candidate coming up short of cash. I think that unless Obama commits some kind of huge faux pas she’s done.

  • Obama is a good man but his supporters are some of the most vile people I have ever met.

    I have to admit, Jim@9, I have never heard of an “Obama troll” or been struck by anything about Obama supporters other than their excitement and hope. You must be a very positive person to consider that not only vile, but the most vile you’ve ever met.

    That kind of positive thinking is what’s going to keep hateful people home. About time.

  • Jim @ 9. Why do you blame Obama for whether the Florida primary counts? The Republicans in your state put your representatives in the position of having to choose between changing the primary date or having voting procedures that work. It’s not Obama’s fault he was not allowed to campaign there.

  • She was in America’s Top 100 lawyers. You dont think she might have saved and had investments worth 5 mil even had she not been married to Bill? (Heck, she may well have been worth more had she practiced all of those years – does anyone doubt John Edwards could loan himself 5 mil? whats the difference?)

    Kerry took a second mortgage on one of their homes for the 6.8 m in Iowa. Which still says something: who has a house that can back a 6.8 m second mortgage?

    Nonetheless, HRC is in a world of hurt now.

  • Jim in #9: If FL votes count then if he is the nominee I will vote for him if not I will not vote and alot of other Floridians feel the same way.

    That’s great, Jim. Your state decides to break the rules we all have to abide by, so they get the sanction that they knew they would get, and if the DNC doesn’t reward you for breaking the rules, you’ll help Republicans get elected.

    If that’s your position, then you’re not really much of a Democrat, are you? You don’t believe in the rules set out by the Democratic party, so you might as well join another party. If the DNC lets you (and Michigan) have your way then every large state will have no reason to stand in line, and soon we’ll be having primaries a year (or more) before the general. Do you want that, or do you want a system with some semblance of organization? I think the primaries shouldn’t be locked up the way they are, but busting it open as you propose would be even worse than the current system.

    BTW, I live in Texas, which has 5 MILLION more people than Florida. And we usually have ZERO input on the Democratic nomination process. But if my state decided to break the rules, I would not support it.

    If you don’t like the rules, then work to change them, don’t break them and then throw a tantrum when they’re enforced.

  • zeitgeist, I agree that HRC could have saved up $5 million on her own merits, but would she just plunk it down like that? I seriously doubt she would unless there was a lot more where that came from.

    Her books and so on make it possible to recoup the $5 mil, and those books wouldn’t sell so good if she was just one of the top 100 lawyers.

  • T-Mac blew this one big-time. First, the campaign “hides the issue altogether” (the loan occurred in January, before Tsunami Tuesday), and now they come out with “an admission that’s founded on an up-front denial” (January’s fundraising didn’t include the loan). By putting this into a Bu$h-ese form, one could contemplate “hiding an issue altogether” (no—we don’t have any secret prisons) followed up with “an admission that’s founded on an up-front denial” (secret prison activities didn’t include torture).

    Isn’t it fun, triangulating a triangulator?

  • Word from the campaign is that Clinton raised over $3 mil in 24 hours after Super Tuesday, so I have a feeling that she will not be in the hole for long.

    Oh, and RacerX – I think it’s kind of amusing to hear you impugn Clinton for taking a loan from her own assets, when Mr. Obama had to get his wife to use her pull on the Chicago Landmarks Preservation Board to push through the subdivision of the property on which their current home is located (after which she resigned), and then Obama sought “help” from Tony Rezko in order to buy the house for $300K below market. Seems Obama is not averse to getting a little help from his friends, but somehow the $5 mil Clinton loan is presumed to be tainted?

    You really need to watch that double standard.

  • Despite Jim #9 maligning Howard Dean and assuming Clinton can win southern states, and calling all internet supporters Obama trolls, as an Obama supporter I would completely agree with special elections in both Florida and Michigan. Neither state have caucuses and to force to create one while easier for the party would be a nightmare. I would even donate money to help pay for them.

    I will point that I have scant sympathy. The FL legislature voted almost unanimously to move the date of the election when the other 48 states decided to follow the rules. And don’t give me that stuff about letting other primaries move up.

    1) They were already ahead
    2) the ban came down after that

    But I still want their votes to count. So how many millions would a primary cost and who do I donate too?

  • In the universe of concerns about the candidate, this seems like a small thing to worry about. Some of the side details highlight some things I don’t love about the Clintons (Bill had previously criticized self-financing, they sort of tried to hide it – although I don’t even have a big problem with that, it’s fair game to spin your financial situation within the prescribed rules). But as a business practice, what’s the big deal? My company borrows money, they make money, it’s a legitimate part of the strategy. And I have zero problem with the fact that the Clinton’s have 5 million to loan their own campaign. (I say this all as an Obama supporter, btw, not a Clinton apologist)

    It makes me wonder a little bit if there are more serious financial problems, but it doesn’t *necessarily* mean there are. Short term cash flow isn’t always a problem.

  • How can anybody still be voting for Hillary when we have such a better option in Obama? The Clintons are some of the biggest criminals in our nation’s history, and Hillary will sell her soul/values for a few dollars. Obama is a real person, with real values, that he will not compromise like a Clinton.

    And we all know that this money comes from that shady oil deal that Bill brokered last month. But hey, Bill did that so we are not allowed to criticize Hillary for taking the gains?

    Obama is attracting new voters, because he is a fresh change from the Clinton’s Criminal Empire. Obama is the democrats best chance for a win in November. The Republicans will eat Hillary up on this type of behavior.

  • The worst part about the Florida garbage is that the candidates vowed not to campaign there, and Hillary still went down for 3 fundraisers just before the election.

    But hey, why are we not surprised that a Clinton failed to keep her word? That’s what the Clintons do, they lie and cheat and steal.

  • The Clintons were in debt $5.5 million b/c of legal fees (Lewinsky, impeachment) when they left the WO in 2000. source

    They are now worth about +$35 million. source

    With the initial debt, that means they’re making more than $7 mil/YEAR… which does NOT include day-to-day, year-to-year living expenses. I seriously doubt that the Clintons made all that money from book deals and speeches.

    In addition, I don’t see how her economic stimulus plan can get any credibility when she can’t even manage her own campaign finances.

    Plus, if the Clintons are already worth $35 mil, why doesn’t she just GIVE her campaign some of her money, instead of lending it? She wants small donors to give her money… so that she can pay herself back later? And Clinton supporters still believe she cares about working people, and is working for change to help ordinary Americans??? That she’d make the economy better? That she’d be a great President and ready on day one? 35 years of experience… the last 7 of which have been busy making $35 million, from Lord knows where.

    I truly hope that those who support Clinton, seriously consider the consequences.

  • Responding to K at #2, who said:
    Obama’s people have more ready cash, obviously.

    So which is the best candidate for all those Americans who can’t jump on the internet and donate a few hundred bucks to someone about whom they can’t name a single accomplishment or position?

    ClWhy belittle Obama supporters in this way. I have donated several small amounts ($25 or $50) when I have been able. The fact that SO MANY people are contributing in this manner tells us something about the reach of Obama’s campaign. He has raised a huge portion of his funds from hundreds of thousands of people just like me, who do not have a lot of money but who believe he is the candidate of the future.

    Plus his work as a community organizer and constitutional lawyer are very attractive to me. Further, I believe Obama can help usher in a new progressive movement which can advance liberal causes for a long time. I do not believe Clinton can do this. Sure, she may be able to win the general election, but for me, the best person for the job is Obama…no disrespect intended for Clinton supporters.

  • I have a solution for Howie and that would be if the delegates are tied or close after PR votes June 3 then hold special elections in FL and MI sometime in July paid for by the DNC no early voting no mail in and the one with the most popular votes wins that would solve this whole thing. No supers, no muss and no fuss. That way no one can whine and bitch.

    I think Jim has the right idea. Since there was no campaigning in Florida, by agreement of all the candidates, and Edwards and Obama weren’t even on the ballot in Michigan, the only fair thing is to hold primaries in those states in April.

    If Hillary tries to change the rules now and count delegates that weren’t legitimately elected, it is going to create real problems.

  • If FL is added because we did vote here whether you Obama trolls like it or not Hillary would get almost 2/3 rds of FL and a split in MI.

    Hey Jim, I’m a Floridian, too. And guess what? Michigan and Florida don’t count for shit.

    Those contest were invalidated by the DNC before they even began. Hillary was the ONLY candidate on the Michigan ballot, and nobody was allowed to campaign here in Florida. This means that neither of those matchups were fair, and the results were totally invalid.

    But it’s nice to see that Clinton supporters don’t mind changing the rules after the fact when it helps their candidate. Those are some fine upstanding values you’ve got there.

  • Good Lord, Jack – how long has it been since you went off the deep end? The Clintons are “some of the biggest criminals in our nation’s history?” As soon as I read things like that, I can’t give one iota of credibility to anything that follows. You want a criminal empire to be outraged about? – Try the one that is not staffed with Clintons but with a couple of Bushes, a Cheney, and a slew of private contractors who have raped and pillaged the US Treasury over the last 5 years with no consequence.

    And you “know” that the money loaned to the campaign came from that “shady oil deal?” Are you filling in for Madame Cleo these days? Or better yet – the Mega Millions drawing is tomorrow and it would be just super if you could tell me what the winning numbers will be.

    You know, it’s okay to support a different candidate, on his own merits, but to use this hysterical hyperbole about the Clintons just makes it look like your support is more about your intense hatred of the Clintons – which may be blinding you to the truth that even your candidate has a flaw or two.

    And on your second comment, Jack – how many times does it need to be explained that the candidates were not prohibited from raising funds in both Florida and Michigan? This has been mentioned so many times, it’s almost like Obama supporters are deliberately refusing to acknowledge it, lest it get in the way of the “Hillary is a lying, cheating, thief” meme.

    Give it a rest – you’re embarrassing yourself.

  • It’s harder to reach out to new donors if they’re thinking, “Why contribute if the Clintons are already self-financing?”

    I actually got the opposite from this. Seems more like a cry for help: “C’mon donors, don’t leave me hangin’ here!”

    So which is the best candidate for all those Americans who can’t jump on the internet and donate a few hundred bucks to someone about whom they can’t name a single accomplishment or position? -k

    He pursued and achieved mandatory video taping of murder suspect interrogations in Chicago. That’s one, troll.

    If FL is added because we did vote here whether you Obama trolls like it or not Hillary would get almost 2/3 rds of FL and a split in MI. -Jim

    I know why you want it to count: it benefits your chosen candidate. Would you want them to count if the benefited Obama? Seriously, in a contested election, please explain how to fairly incorporate delegates from those punished states where one candidate wasn’t even on the ballot and another where there was no campaigning?

    Or is fairness only important to progressives when it benefits them specifically?

    Michael Fox makes a good point in # 4. Would she have $5 mil to “invest” if she wasn’t the wife of a former president? -Racer X

    I disagree with this. I think she had the drive and connections to become a millionaire lawyer on her own.

    Obama sought “help” from Tony Rezko in order to buy the house for $300K below market. -Anne

    He bought it below list (asking) price, not below market value. I see these terms used interchangeably too much. No one pays list for property.

  • As far as re-running the MI primary goes, people would have to donate a lot of money…we’re broke. As a Michigan voter, i think that our delegates should be scrubbed completely. I don’t like being “disenfranchised”, but with a near Stalinist ballot i would rather not be re-enfranchised.

    My anger at the DNC is going to take a long time to heal. I understand their reasoning, but they punished me for something that i had little/no control over. And i was mad as hell when the legislature moved towards the decision in the first place. Their reasoning was completely hollow…come on, we have the 6th largest share of electoral votes; we were plenty important enough. It was a diversionary tactic, because the legislature was proving its incompetence over the budget at the time.

    Moreover, where does the DNC get off taking away our delegates while refusing to enforce its decree on the candidates taking their names off the ballot?

    BTW, Sen Clinton will not go for re-running the primary. Her win against “uncommitted” was hardly a landslide on a day of massive snowstorms; look how many people went out of their way to vote for an unnamed candidate in a primary that didn’t count. I stuck my “I voted” sticker on the lid of a trash can at the poll entrance, and i considered the act as important as my actual vote.

    …sorry for the long rant, lots of hard feelings round these parts.

  • Bill Clinton recently criticized candidates who self-finance …I’m sure he now wishes he hadn’t said that.

    Can’t wait until a reporter asks him.

    Bullshit Bill will spin it for two paragraphs…
    So that there is no contradiction…
    And then end up blaming the “is no contradiction” on someone else.
    Bill is really good at lying.

  • * Obama capitalizing — It didn’t take long for the Obama campaign to respond to the Clinton loan by appealing to his donor base to help respond. The strategy seems to be working nicely; Obama has raised a very impressive $6.8 million since the polls closed on Tuesday.

    Now $7.5 million. Obama is raising $100k an hour just online, that difference could be huge in the coming weeks.

  • Be afraid, Hillary. Be very afraid.

    Regular American citizens are speaking in a very loud voice — $25 at a time.

  • As an Obama supporter, I guess this is good news–though I also see nothing at all wrong with the Clintons self-financing. Kerry did it four years ago, and if the loan (which, remember, was in late January) helped save her in some of those big coastal states, how can one argue but that it was money well-spent?

    That said, I do get a little schadenfreude at the thought of how much that bastard Mark Penn must be pulling down for his lousy advice. Somehow I doubt he’s among those going without pay.

  • dajafi, that is similar to my thought this morning: the campaign could save a lot of money and improve its performance by simply laying off Mark Penn (I’d think about replacing Wolfson with a bright, peppy fresh out of B-school PR grad working for pennies, too)

    25, 26 (Jack S. . .traw & Evanel) – we try for a higher grade of trolls here, so please do a little homework.

    Hillary still went down for 3 fundraisers just before the election

    Fundraisers were expressly permitted by the rules punishing Florida.

    why doesn’t she just GIVE her campaign some of her money, instead of lending it?

    No candidates do that (see Kerry, Romney who both loaned their campaigns money), but in effect unless she wins (and here an even better example is Romney) those loans will never be paid back. My suspicion is that there are tax and campaign finance implications that favor a loan over an outright donation.

  • I cannot understand why a democrat would want to send another Clinton to office.

    Obama will win in November. Obama is an honest man. Obama is not a thief. Obama is better than Hillary and her band of crooks.

  • Obama got something like 170,000 new donors just in January. About half of his donors before that gave less than $200. About half of Clinton’s donors were maxed out. His donors just keep giving and giving their small amounts, plus he keeps getting new ones. I seriously do not see how she can cultivate that kind of a following from scratch in time for it to make a difference.

    Plus, he will be coming into her two favorite states with a ton of momentum on March 4, and I’m sure he’ll be advertising heavily in those states too. He’s still the underdog, but he’s about to go turbo.

  • doubtful – thanks for correcting me on the list v. market thing – I had actually typed “list” first, and then ended up changing it. D’oh!

    The fact is that whatever the price for the house, he couldn’t afford to buy both the house and the land, and because he needed help, there was no practical way to do this deal without separating the house from the open lot – which is where Michelle Obama used her pull on the Landmarks Board to shepherd the property through the subdivision process, and where Rezko – his wife, actually – came in to then buy and close on the lot on the same day the sale closed on the house. When Obama later bought 1/6 of the lot for 1/6 of the price Mrs. Rezko paid, he then had what he wanted in the first place, but the Rezkos effectively loaned that sum in a back-door way.

    I know he’s admitted he shouldn’t have done it, and there’s a general agreement that it wasn’t illegal, but this is exactly the kind of thing the Clintons get hammered with and no one ever wants to accept the “nothing illegal about it” rationale.

    What I still do not get is why he would have approached someone who he knew was under investigation, and whose dealings had been all over the Chicago papers for some time. And I also find it odd that even though, by all accounts he had a friendship with Rezko, he has consistently talked about Rekco as someone he barely knew. Why not just be honest about it?

  • In line with Zeitgeist (glad to see you got the “capital Z” back), I’m pretty sure that a candidate (a unique individual) can only “donate” the same amount as any other unique individual. Given that a corporation cannot run for political office, she can’t make herself into an LLC, or a 527, or a corporate entity. her only option is to “lend” her own money to the campaign, with the proviso that it eventually be repaid.

  • Can people please get over the idea that Hillary did anything wrong about this. Who knows, maybe it did come from a tainted source. But as usual, if all you’re basing this on is wild speculation, which it is, then we’re nothing better than silly gossip-mongers and have no business discussing serious politics. Lets leave the gossip to the D.C. Village, while we discuss facts.

    And the fact is that this looks bad for Hillary. She made a bad gamble by spending all that money early (wasted on expensive hacks like Mark Penn, no doubt), and the money flow stopped a lot sooner than she had counted on. It doesn’t matter where the loan came from. What matters is that this is an embarrassment for Hillary and a bad sign of things to come. If this happened on Obama’s side, I would surely be disheartened. And Hillary supporters need to stop making excuses or defending her against these silly charges and, if anything, do something to help her raise more money. As for myself, this just makes me feel a little better inside that we’re one step closer to getting the president we need.

    And BTW, this isn’t quite comparable to Kerry loaning himself cash. He wasn’t even a top three candidate throughout the pre-primary season and had an excuse for why he was cash-poor before Iowa. But Hillary was the front-runner for all of last year and had a cash machine running for awhile. The fact that the cash flow has dried up and she already blew it all looks really bad. Sorry, Clintonites. You have my sympathies, for whatever that’s worth. I feel your pain.

  • Hillary’s raised about $4 mil in 48 hours, so I would not count her out.

    I thought this was in interesting take on Super Tuesday:

    But one of the most intriguing finding in the surveys of voters leaving the polls across the nation on Tuesday was when they arrived at their final decision. Throughout a week when Mr. Obama was campaigning with members of the Kennedy family, when there was a sense that he was creating a movement that cut across racial and generational lines, there was a steady movement of Democrats toward Mr. Obama, the survey suggested. But those who reported making their decision on the last day bucked the trend, tending to vote for Mrs. Clinton, of New York.

    Mr. Obama more than held his own against Mrs. Clinton: he won more states and may well have won more delegates, once all of them, including those from caucus states, are officially allocated.

    But once again — as in New Hampshire — the result on Tuesday did not match the fervor that had been signaled by Mr. Obama’s dramatic march of rallies across the nation leading up to the vote. In that dynamic rests one of the central questions about the Obama candidacy, which may well go the heart of whether he can win the presidency. Is this campaign a series of surges of enthusiasm, often powered by the younger voters who form long lines waiting to hear Mr. Obama speak, that set expectations that are not met at the voting booth?

    Or is it rather a slow-building force, one that despite faltering in New Hampshire and falling short on Tuesday in big states like California has allowed Mr. Obama to battle one of the most formidable political dynasties to a draw and will eventually propel him to victory?

    There’s more – this is just a fair-use compliant excerpt.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/07/us/politics/07dems.html?scp=1&sq=nagourney&st=nyt

  • “zeitgeist said:
    She was in America’s Top 100 lawyers. You dont think she might have saved and had investments worth 5 mil even had she not been married to Bill?”

    About this 35 years of experience tag line she repeats on a routine basis.

    It looks like during 35 years since she graduated from law school she was practicing corporate law and raking in big cash. Her family probably need her to do this specially since Bill’s salary was probably pretty low. She could have invested some of this and stored up a good nest egg.

    But how can she claim this corporate law time as part of he “experience” in public service and at the same time claim that O does not have any experience.

    He lectured on Con Law at U of Chicago and worked in a law firm too. Shouldn’t this experience count? She’s counting her corporate law time.

    And as an aside – having a President that’d got the Constitution down pat would be a good thing. Especially after the half-witted GWB. Who can forget the tortured logic of ….. the president and his goons acted lawfully because the presidents orders are always legal.

  • “My suspicion is that there are tax and campaign finance implications that favor a loan over an outright donation.” posted by Zeitgeist (#37).

    My suspicion is that there are financial implications that favor a loan over an outright donation. A $5M loan will likely be repaid by hordes of influence seekers if she is elected President or even if she continues as a Senator. A $5M gift is gone forever. Better to spend someone else’s money than your own. Oh, did I say “influence seekers”? I meant “access seekers”, of course.

  • Independant Voter said: “I cannot understand why a democrat would want to send another Clinton to office. Obama will win in November. Obama is an honest man. Obama is not a thief. Obama is better than Hillary and her band of crooks.”

    I’m curious what crimes you imagine she’s guilty of that weren’t ‘identified’ by the right-wing hate machine that is Richard Sciafe.

  • He lectured on Con Law at U of Chicago . . . having a President that’d got the Constitution down pat would be a good thing.

    I’m not saying your take would not be true of Obama, but it is not automatic that a Con Law prof necessarily “knows” the Constitution in the sense we would like.

    After all John Yoo is also a Con Law prof – and was a Con Law lecturer at U of Chicago, just like Obama.

  • Can we stop, no other couple in history of the United States has been investigated more thoroughly then the Clintons, and they got nothing, zilch. And please, before you bring up Monica, that had nothing to do with Hillary.

    The question I have is this, Hillary loans her campaign $5M, and say she makes $5M this week, does she pay herself back ?? Why the loan and not a gift, tax purposes. And if she does pay herself back, why are staffers not loaning their services, rather then going w/o pay ??

  • Emily’s List has just sent out a “donate to Hillary immediately” message. I guess this is in response to the self-loan and how it might look. If they can show a lot of small donations for a big total, campaign Clinton will have something to brag about.

    Me, I maxed my purse out, at around $200, donated in small increments to Edwards, before he dropped out. No more left for either of the current candidates 🙂

  • Does anyone else think it’s noteworthy that the amount Clinton loaned ($5 mil) is about the same amount as her campaign owes to Mark Penn ($4.9 mil)? I’m wondering if he insisted they be as invested as he is.

  • Doubtful wrote #31:

    Michael Fox makes a good point in # 4. Would she have $5 mil to “invest” if she wasn’t the wife of a former president? -Racer X

    I disagree with this. I think she had the drive and connections to become a millionaire lawyer on her own.

    My point was not whether she could have done it on her own, although I don’t think she has ever claimed that making millions as a lawyer was ever her goal. However, I don’t think anyone seriously contends that the bulk of what the Clintons have actually earned since 2000 is not in large part attributable to the fact that he was President. Thus the source of her funds are different from the sources of either Mitt Romney’s (investment banking) or John Kerry’s (family money).

    My point was not to be critical of the loan itself, although those less charitable might say it does raise some question about her self-proclaimed executive prowess 🙂 My issue was that the fact that someone who is able to make such a loan only because a relative was President, highlights yet another danger of what I think has been a vastly under discussed issue — the impact of Presidential dynastic politics and whether that is good or bad for the country.

  • Why is anything a surprise?Just as after the civil war the whole point to being a carpetbagger was to gain wealth,why do you think Hillary is not from Arkansas.That is why the original “Slick Willie”Horton said when asked why he robbed banks because that’s where the money is.So goes it for M&M Slick Willie II

  • As an Obama supporter, I guess this is good news–though I also see nothing at all wrong with the Clintons self-financing.

    My thoughts exactly. I’m glad to hear that Obama seems to be out-fundraising Clinton, but I don’t get the bizarre fascination with where her $5 million may have come from. If Hillary can afford to loan (or not loan) it to her campaign, more power to her. It seems pretty petty to me to try and uncover some supposedly nefarious source just because you’re not a Clinton fan. And arguing that she wouldn’t have had the $5 million had she not been married to a President is retarded. Maybe she would have been even richer and/or more successful had she never married Bill. We’ll never know, and so speculating about it all seems pointless.

    I prefer to dislike Clinton because of her policy choices or political history, not because she loaned her campaign some cash.

  • “Obama announced that he had raised $32 million in January alone…Terence R. McAuliffe, Clinton’s campaign chairman, said the team had raised at least $13 million in January”

    Once again, a woman getting paid less than a man for doing the same job. How unfair.

  • Great. This is the woman who is going to lead this country out of a recession. She can’t even make it to Feb. with her own campaign money without overspending and borrowing.

    I might as well just move my retirement stocks over to a money market fund right now…(sigh)

  • Z eitgiest

    I take that you are not comparing Obama to that Yoo character. Just rather making some other point, right?

  • As an Obama supporter myself, I am as appalled by the rude and slanderous attacks on Clinton as any reasonable person would be. (She’s evil! She’s a crook! etc ad nauseum). Since both candidates are head and shoulders above McCain and either would likely make a good president, there are obviously legitimate opinions on either side as to which would be best. When it comes to electability, though, the very vitriol that Hillary supporters are complaining is being hurled her way by Obamaniacs (and we’re not all maniacs, believe me) is, however obnoxiously, inadvertently making a point. If so many Democrats are so dead set against Hillary, that’s just a very dangerous looking tip of an iceberg, since countless republicans see her as the wicked witch of the west (or east, I guess, but that witch died in the beginning). It’s not that this is fair, it’s just that it is what it is. That being said, isn’t it just logical to seriously consider someone without all that baggage? The worst of what I’ve seen thrown at Obama even from rapid Hillary lovers is chickenfeed. He just doesn’t have that history to outrun. I don’t think it’s fair either, and I’d vote for Hillary without hesitation if she got the nomination, but I’d even do it if she got the nomination underhandedly simply because she would still be a better choice than McCain. But the combination of all the Republicans who might be fired up to beat her because she’s HIllary, along with all the new and enthusiastic Obama voters who’ll wilt and disappear if they see another machine candidate take the nomination because she’s seen as being wired into machine politics (which she is), seems to make nominating Hillary a really really bad idea. Might she win against McCain? Sure. But I seriously doubt she’d have as good a shot at it as Obama.

    I’m also appalled at the outrageousness of some Obama supporters, but that door swings both ways. It’s just that it seems to swing farther in Hillary’s direction because of her long history in the public eye and the nature of that history. Fair? Mostly not. But I think we have to get beyond crying foul and nominate a person who has the best chance of winning. I find it frustrating that now we seem to have an embarrassment of riches on the Dem side, and have to make a choice on one. I hope we make the right choice.

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