Historical analogy day for Bush

Around the web today, you’ll find relatively sincere discussions comparing [tag]Bush[/tag] to Abraham [tag]Lincoln[/tag] in the lead up to the Civil War, to [tag]FDR[/tag], and to a Cold War [tag]dissident[/tag] fighting for democratic values.

Perhaps the most insightful comes by way of Arthur Schlesinger Jr., who puts Bush’s approach to foreign policy in a historical context.

The issue of preventive war as a presidential prerogative is hardly new. In February 1848 Rep. Abraham Lincoln explained his opposition to the Mexican War: “Allow the President to invade a neighboring nation, whenever he shall deem it necessary to repel an invasion and you allow him to do so whenever he may choose to say he deems it necessary for such purpose — and you allow him to make war at pleasure [emphasis added]. . . . If, today, he should choose to say he thinks it necessary to invade Canada to prevent the British from invading us, how could you stop him? You may say to him, ‘I see no probability of the British invading us’; but he will say to you, ‘Be silent; I see it, if you don’t.’ ”

This is precisely how George W. Bush sees his presidential prerogative: Be silent; I see it, if you don’t. However, both Presidents Harry S. [tag]Truman[/tag] and Dwight D. [tag]Eisenhower[/tag], veterans of the First World War, explicitly ruled out preventive war against Joseph Stalin’s attempt to dominate Europe. And in the Cuban missile crisis of October 1962, President Kennedy, himself a hero of the Second World War, rejected the recommendations of the Joint Chiefs of Staff for a preventive strike against the Soviet Union in Cuba.

Bush, obviously, changed American policy when he declared that the United States could strike first to “prevent” a war. Similar presidents have faced arguably more serious international challenges and resisted this unwise approach, but Bush, as he is wont to do, chose an unprecedented path.

But just as importantly, Schlesinger notes the substantive and strategic benefits from the more prudent road.

It was lucky that [tag]JFK[/tag] was determined to get the missiles out peacefully, because only decades later did we discover that the Soviet forces in Cuba had tactical nuclear weapons and orders to use them to repel a U.S. invasion. This would have meant a nuclear exchange. Instead, JFK used his own thousand days to give the American University speech, a powerful plea to Americans as well as to Russians to reexamine “our own attitude — as individuals and as a nation — for our attitude is as essential as theirs.” This was followed by the limited test ban treaty. It was compatible with the George Kennan formula — containment plus deterrence — that worked effectively to avoid a nuclear clash.

As Mahablog noted, “The difference between a real leader and statesman (JFK) and, um, Bush, is that JFK not only confronted the Soviets and the Cubans and got them to stand down without firing a shot; he used the incident to push for a limited test ban treaty. Bush and his rightie supporters, however, see war as their first and only option, not the last option. They know only how to destroy, not to build.”

Quite right. Schlesinger is genuinely concerned that the president, in light of his “doctrine,” may feel compelled to start a third Bush war. [tag]Schlesinger[/tag] concludes, “There is no more dangerous thing for a democracy than a foreign policy based on presidential preventive war.” It’s hard to disagree.

I have an idea for a new theme song for the Royal Buffoon and his minions, but I’m not a great lyricist. Can anyone come up with lyrics to the old Beach Boys’ song called “Barbara Ann”, which we would then call “Bomb Iran,” to reflect the Neocons’ penchant for war first, war last, and always war?

Bush: Stupid is as stupid does.

Rethugs Lie and Cheat…. Had Enough? Vote Democratic!

  • Hey- whatever did we spend all of that money on nukes for if we can’t use them? Look at the bright side. The next time you watch a documentary about nuclear weapons, you won’t have to sit through grainy 1950’s-era footage over at Bikini Atoll. It’ll be Hi-def, widescreen-enhanced HDTV footage!!!

  • “lyrics to the old Beach Boys’ song called “Barbara Ann”, which we would then call “Bomb Iran,”. – AL

    Already been done back in late 70’s the first time people wanted to bomb Iran. A quick search of “barbara ann”+”bomb Iran” should turn up some hits on websites with the old tune. Shouldn’t be too hard to change a few words to “update” it.

  • Bush is less like any other US president than he is like a mediocre European king from the sixteenth or seventeenth centuries…not just in terms of his autocratic philosophy, but in the way in which he continually tries to get his country into skirmishes and wars, partly because he knows it will be lucrative for his friends, and partly because he just likes to do so. Even if it bankrupts the national treasury.

  • Thanks, Danny…. now that I am unemployed again, I have the time to pursue this endeavor!! 🙁

  • Here is my attempt at a Bush Theme Song

    I smoked my dubes –
    Done Lines after lines –
    I’ve avoided my service
    But committed no crime –
    And bad mistakes
    I’ve made a lot
    I’ve kicked up my share of fits in daddy’s face –
    But Rove came through

    I am the decider – my donors
    And the Army’ll keep on fighting – till the end –
    I am the decider –
    I am the decider
    No time for whiners
    ‘Cause I am the decider – of the world –

    I’ve had shots off my bows
    And my curtain calls –
    Lies brought me power and fortune and everything that goes with it-
    I thank you all – (Diebold!)

    But it’s been no bed of Roves
    No staged carrier trap –
    I consider it a challenge to screw the whole human race –
    And I ain’t gonna lose –

    I am the decider – my donors
    And the Army’ll keep on fighting – till the end –
    I am the decider –
    I am the decider
    Everyone else are the losers
    ‘Cause I am the decider- of the world –

  • Castor Troy writes: “Hey- whatever did we spend all of that money on nukes for if we can’t use them? Look at the bright side. The next time you watch a documentary about nuclear weapons, you won’t have to sit through grainy 1950’s-era footage over at Bikini Atoll. It’ll be Hi-def, widescreen-enhanced HDTV footage!!!”

    Sorry to disappoint you, friend, but none of those expensive televisions will work, once the bombs start flying. Each and every one of those nice little microprocessors—even the ones in your super-mega-mondo stereo systems and state-of-the-art computers, microwave ovens, clock radios (even the wind-up “emergency” jobs), automotive ignitions, motorcycle ignitions, electronic-start lawn mowers, and the neighbor-kid’s Lionel train set—will be just so much junk…courtesy of a little thing called ElectroMagnetic Pulse. The upside to all of this is that FOX won’t be able to broadcast their pig-slop any more; neither will Kid George, nor that jackelope of a Senate Majority Leader. No more Rush Limbaugh. No more Tony Snow. No more Pat Robertson, or Jerry Falwell, or Rod Parsley.

    Of course, the downside will be I have to miss Garrison Keillor every Saturday night…*sigh*….

  • We did not declare war against the USSR because they had the atomic bomb, courtesy of the Rosenburgs. The USSR also had missiles aimed at Western Europe and probably the U.S. Remember MAD (Mutually Assured Destruction)?

  • One of the concessions JFK made to the Cubans and the USSR to defuse the missile crisis was to promise NOT to invade Cuba. (And, no, i can’t cite chapter and verse for this fact. I’ve read it in the past few years in several places.) Cuba no longer has the support of the USSR, and the Cuban people continue to suffer under Castro.

  • Bush’s Iraq war is costing $100,000 per minute, But who’s counting?

    Well folks, its really getting a little old in Washington.

    Now The White House plans to ask Congress for an additional $70 billion to pay for the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, driving the cost of military operations in the two countries to $120 billion this year, the highest ever. I read these fact recently, while reading an article in the Los Angeles Times. In the article, it was said that “most of the new money would pay for the war in Iraq, which has cost an estimated $250 billion since the U.S. invasion in March 2003.”

    The article also noted “The additional spending, along with other war funding the Bush administration will seek separately in its regular budget next week, would push the price tag for combat and nation-building since Sept. 11, 2001, to nearly a half-trillion dollars, approaching the inflation-adjusted cost of the 13-year Vietnam War.”

    This means that current Defense Department spending is about $4.5 billion a month on the conflict in Iraq, or about $100,000 per minute.

    Yes, $100,000 per minute.

    This is crazy folks.

    Like many African-American voters I’m culturally conservative, with strongly held faith values, especially on issues such as same-sex marriage and school vouchers. Yet on the issues of Iraq as a public policy I’m on the polar opposite side from the GOP. I visited the pentagon’s Web site for casualty numbers in Iraq. It looks bad America.

    Bush will be in office for another thousand days. In politics that a life time. In war it could mean the death of hundreds or thousands of men, women and children, and billions more U.S. tax payer dollars.

    Enter Arthur Schlesinger Jr. who today wrote an article in the Washington Post about Bush’s Thousand Days. Schlesinger a writer, a historian, who served as an adviser to President John F. Kennedy, writes, “ a thousand days remain of President Bush’s last term — days filled with ominous preparations for and dark rumors of a preventive war against Iran.

    The issue of preventive war as a presidential prerogative is hardly new. In February 1848 Rep. Abraham Lincoln explained his opposition to the Mexican War: “Allow the President to invade a neighboring nation, whenever he shall deem it necessary to repel an invasion and you allow him to do so whenever he may choose to say he deems it necessary for such purpose — and you allow him to make war at pleasure [emphasis added]. . . . If, today, he should choose to say he thinks it necessary to invade Canada to prevent the British from invading us, how could you stop him? You may say to him, ‘I see no probability of the British invading us’; but he will say to you, ‘Be silent; I see it, if you don’t.’ ”

    This is precisely how George W. Bush sees his presidential prerogative: Be silent; I see it, if you don’t . However, both Presidents Harry S. Truman and Dwight D. Eisenhower, veterans of the First World War, explicitly ruled out preventive war against Joseph Stalin’s attempt to dominate Europe. And in the Cuban missile crisis of October 1962, President Kennedy, himself a hero of the Second World War, rejected the recommendations of the Joint Chiefs of Staff for a preventive strike against the Soviet Union in Cuba.

    It was lucky that JFK was determined to get the missiles out peacefully, because only decades later did we discover that the Soviet forces in Cuba had tactical nuclear weapons and orders to use them to repel a U.S. invasion. This would have meant a nuclear exchange. Instead, JFK used his own thousand days to give the American University speech, a powerful plea to Americans as well as to Russians to reexamine “our own attitude — as individuals and as a nation — for our attitude is as essential as theirs.” This was followed by the limited test ban treaty. It was compatible with the George Kennan formula — containment plus deterrence — that worked effectively to avoid a nuclear clash.

    The Cuban missile crisis was not only the most dangerous moment of the Cold War. It was the most dangerous moment in all human history. Never before had two contending powers possessed between them the technical capacity to destroy the planet. Had there been exponents of preventive war in the White House, there probably would have been nuclear war. It is certain that nuclear weapons will be used again. Henry Adams, the most brilliant of American historians, wrote during our Civil War, “Some day science shall have the existence of mankind in its power, and the human race shall commit suicide by blowing up the world.”

    But our Cold War presidents kept to the Kennan formula of containment plus deterrence, and we won the Cold War without escalating it into a nuclear war. Enter George W. Bush as the great exponent of preventive war. In 2003, owing to the collapse of the Democratic opposition, Bush shifted the base of American foreign policy from containment-deterrence to presidential preventive war: Be silent; I see it, if you don’t. Observers describe Bush as “messianic” in his conviction that he is fulfilling the divine purpose. But, as Lincoln observed in his second inaugural address, “The Almighty has His own purposes.”

    There stretch ahead for Bush a thousand days of his own. He might use them to start the third Bush war: the Afghan war (justified), the Iraq war (based on fantasy, deception and self-deception), the Iran war (also fantasy, deception and self-deception). There is no more dangerous thing for a democracy than a foreign policy based on presidential preventive war.

    Maybe President Bush, who seems a humane man, might be moved by daily sorrows of death and destruction to forgo solo preventive war and return to cooperation with other countries in the interest of collective security.

    Abraham Lincoln would rejoice.”
    I agree with Arthur Schlesinger Jr.

    L. Nathaniel Rock

    PS, Bush’s Iraq war is costing $100,000 per minute. In the 2-3 minutes you have taken to read this article. How much more money have we spent in the Iraq War, But who’s counting?

  • The way this is going (the US in continuous war mode) we’ll soon be able to imitate one aspect of ancient Roman life. They kept the statues of the senators and emperors, but every so often knocked the heads off and replaced them with the current one. We can recycle all the old songs by just swapping out the names of the countries.

  • I think sometimes we get lost in the forest staring at trees and overlook the obvious. Have other Presidents started “preventitive” wars? You bet. And even still be considered “good” Presidents? Yep. So what’s the difference? We hate losers.

    Bush is a loser, and America hates losers. We like the underdog, but Bush has never been an underdog for one day of his life – his has been a life of privilege, and pampering.

    Letting him start ANOTHER war, well, that just makes all of us losers.

  • “The substantive and strategic benefits from the more prudent road” I like that it’s to bad The President does not even understand it …G.Bush I believe wants folks to think he is not concerned about his legacy or his family’s name yet in reality he really is….Bush once said when asked about what future generations may think about his and His Staff’s decisions? Replied ” It does not matter we will all be dead”…I believe Bush deep down inside knows he is not cut out to be a leader yet wants his name and his family’s name to endure so he gambles on the hope that his actons and decisions that fly in the face of “The substantive and strategic benefits from the more prudent road” will (somehow) bear Frutation in terms of his legacy and his name sake……….As the President Grapples with his inner Demons and his Megalomania we American’s have to bear the brunt….Only in America……Y.T. Liberals_do _it_better…..

  • Glen, besides Reagan in Grenada, can you name some “preventive wars” started by other U.S. Presidents? Maybe I was asleep in all of my college history classes, but I don’t seem to remember any (unless you use a different definition of “preventive” than I do — by which I mean gratuitious, wag-the-dog, needless WARS as opposed to missile attacks). Thanks.

    Gridlock, thanks for the links!!

    Dan, Freddy would be proud of your new lyrics to Queen’s classic!!

  • Gratuitous, wag-the-dog, needless wars:

    War of 1812 (nearly clobbered ourselves with that one)
    Mexican War of 1848 (see the Lincoln quote)
    Any of the Indian Wars
    The Spanish-American War (fought to increase newspaper circulation for a pair of shitheads, Joseph Pulitzer and William Randolph Hearst)
    The First World War (fought to make sure Wall Street got repaid by Britain and France and they didn’t anyway)
    The Korean War
    The Vietnam War
    The First Gulf War
    The War on Iraq

    Wars actually worth fighting that accomplished something:

    War of Independence (very definitely NOT a “revolution”)
    Civil War
    Second World War

    Notice the three greatest presidents are closely associated with these.

    As to songs about Bush, Big Eddie had a good one last week that they played the hell out of on Air America: “I am the decider” to the tune of “I am the walrus”.

  • AL,
    I don’t know about “preventive wars,” but given Bush’s usage of that term I take that label as being substantively no different than “aggressive war” where one either invades another country (or disputed region) with no pretense of legality whatever, or contrives a plausibly legal justification for war that is known to be false, or creates an “incident” followed by a massive and disproportionate response. That being the case, let’s review the history lesson:

    –War of 1812 (War hawks wanted to annex Canada, who, for some reason, suspected our motives and sided with the British).
    –Mexican War (war started with border dispute with a disintegrating Mexico over a waste region in Texas; victory resulted in acquisition of some of the most ornery states in the Union; issues regarding the settlement of the conquered territories, being lcoated in the South, also led to the civil war).
    –Indian wars
    –Spanish American War (manufactured war against decrepit empire posing no military threat to us; victory led to overseas empire).
    –Latin American military adventures under numerous 20th century presidents.
    –Iraq War (manufactured war against a country posing no military threat to us, later “mission” was changed to the “freeing” the Iraqis into becoming US vassals; suspected our motives, for some reason, and the issue is in doubt).
    –Iran War (???)

    As for totally stupid wars, the winner is World War I–we supposedly “won,” but got nothing out of it. The runners-up include Korea and Vietnam conflicts. Would the world be any different if the Koreas or South Vietnam went communist? Who even knows where these countries are?

    There are other conflicts that have occupied our armed forces (e.g., Grenada, Gulf War), but I’m at a loss as to whether these have produced any advantages to the common US citizen.

    Maybe the only worthwhile wars the US has fought include the revolution and World War II. Even WWII is tainted by the fact that most of the countries we “freed” or were allied with became vassals, occupied to this day with military bases and held in economic thrall. I omit the civil war because I’m reappraising its value. With the benefit of hindsight, it might have been better to let the Southern states go. They probably would have sorted out their race issues on their own as South Africa has done. At the very least, the GOP would not be polluting the country with their “Southern Strategy.”

  • Damn it, Tom, you got in before I did!

    Well, at least we disagree about the civil war…

  • do we have any economy left except in preparation for continuous war?

    Pizza Delivery. At least according to one of Neal Stephenson’s excellent books.

    On a more serious note, excellent blog entry Mr. Carpetbagger. Is there a rational (i.e. worth reading) conservative rebuttal to Mr. Schlesinger’s essay? I’m sure I wouldn’t agree, but I would appreciate the opportunity to hear a thoughtful counter-argument (i.e. “9-11 changed everything” doesn’t count)

  • AL,

    Talk to some native Americans and Mexicans about US history. Admittedly this all happened over 100 years ago.

    Talk to the Spanish about the Spanish American war. Check out our history in the Phillipines after we “won”.

    Research where and when we had a couple of divisions fighting with the White Russians during the Russian civil war (hint – Murmansk)

    My list is NOT as long as Tom’s list, since I would tend to War of 1812, WW1, and Korea as not preventitive, but it is worthy of debate (especially 1812). Plus we need to fit in where the CIA may have caused havoc such as Iran, Chile, etc.

    Most of my examples were wars of expansion which we won rather quickly and that’s basically my point. Bush is picking wars and losing them. I don’t care what party you’re in, we cannot afford to support a loser.

    Glen

  • Sorry, but Schlesinger lost me with this comment:

    In what world could Bush be called a “humane man”? He is, after all, The Torture President.

  • Sorry, but Schlesinger lost me with this comment:

    Maybe President Bush, who seems a humane man, might be moved by daily sorrows of death and destruction to forgo solo preventive war and return to cooperation with other countries in the interest of collective security.

    In what world could Bush be called a “humane man”? He is, after all, The Torture President.

  • A theme song (played country style)

    I’m a little man with a bullhorn
    and I’ve found a way to lead
    By stirring up the nation
    To make Iraqis bleed

    But my trick is getting threadbare
    As this war rolls on so long
    But I’m a little man with a bullhorn
    And I only know one song

    So trust my secret intelligence
    When I say “danger is near”
    And that we need another war
    so I’ll lead again through fear.

    The only thing that worries us,
    (Rummy, me, and Dick)
    Is that our nation has had enough
    And will see through our trick.

    So please don’t doubt your president
    Please don’t look at facts
    Please let me start just one more war
    and I’ll do my bullhorn act.

    Yeeh hah!

  • historical analogy

    or

    just history

    is the

    HIDDEN GOLD

    waiting to be discovered in

    political advertising.

    rather than the inane, pompous-voiced advertisements we see now,

    imagine

    a thoughtful, historical analysis or analogy

    to a current situation.

    imagine,

    in other words,

    educating voters

    rather than trying to influence their emotions.

    imagine

    political advertising as the “university model”

    rather than

    the bankrupt, manipulative, and misleading

    “madison avenue” model.

    imagine historical fact

    rather

    than

    focus groups.

    p.s.

    cuts the cost of campaign too.

    pps

    WAKE UP YOU STUPID BASTARDS!

  • I am a bit late to the party here, but if only for the eyes of CB, I would like to question the use of “preventive” war in place of “preemptive” war.

    GW’s pattern is simply a strike first policy based on lies and exaggeration of the threat (although the threat in Iran is probably much greater than the threat posed earlier by Iraq).

    The threat in Iran was planted during the Eisenhower administration when the CIA fomented a coup to replace the democratically elected leader of Iran with the Shah. The primary reasons were to reduce the influence of the USSR in Iran and to allow the British to retain control of oil production in Iran. The point of bringing this up here is that wars are “prevented” or started many years in advance of when they actually occur. It is a very real possibility that the entire threat of Islamic extremism, 9/11 and all the rest could have been prevented by a more forward looking policy during the Cold War.

    While we fight this war with Islamic extremists, what wars are being born that our children and grandchildren will be fighting 50 years from now? It may not take that long. The true cost of the Iraq war may be that it took our eyes off of the really big threats to our future security — the dependence of the entire global economy on cheap oil, the dependence of the global economy on growth based on cheap oil, global warming, degradation of ecosystems including the world’s oceans, overpopulation, the inability of the global economy to create enough jobs for the young, the migration of peoples, the basket case countries that the global economy leaves behind, etc. etc. It is easy to imagine the origin of wars that now being born while we are mired in GW’s preemptive war in Iraq.

    GW preventing war? GW has done much more that stir up a nest of hornets in the Middle East. How about setting up the stage for the last big fall from grace — apocalyptic collapse. How do you define a term for this? Let me start with one that a biblical thinker like Bush can understand — EVIL. But to be fair and balanced, preventing this outcome should have probably started long before any of us were born. But there is no excuse for our leaders turning a blind eye right now to seemingly intractable problems.

    For some strange reason, the fallibility of leadership seems to have to play out with tragic consequence. And democracy is no panacea for collective, human screwups, although a healthy democracy would give us a better chance at it. Our democracy is broken and I need cite no further evidence than the asshole residing in the White House.

  • Speaking of songs, wasn’t it Jim Morrison who said, “preventative war is like fucking for virginity”?

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