House Dems file civil suit to enforce subpoenas

House Democrats subpoenaed former White House Counsel Harriet Miers and White House chief of staff Joshua Bolten to get their perspective on the U.S. Attorney purge scandal. They refused. House Democrats sought support from the Justice Department in enforcing congressional subpoenas. It refused.

Today, left with limited options, the House Judiciary Committee filed a civil suit to compel Miers’ and Bolten’s testimony. It sets up an extremely interesting legal showdown.

The lawsuit filed in federal court says Miers is not immune from the obligation to testify and that she and Bolten must identify all documents that are being withheld from Congress.

In a statement announcing the lawsuit, House Judiciary Committee Chairman John Conyers said, “We will not allow the administration to steamroll Congress.”

Conyers said he is confident the federal courts will agree that the Bush administration’s claims to be immune from congressional oversight are at odds with constitutional principles.

Judiciary Committee Chairman John Conyers (D-Mich) noted, “It is extremely rare that Congress must litigate in order to enforce subpoenas and no compromise can be reached. Unfortunately, this Administration simply will not negotiate towards a compromise resolution so we must proceed.”

White House Press Secretary Dana Perino responded, “The confidentiality that the president receives from his senior advisers and the constitutional principle of separation of powers must be protected from overreaching and we are confident that the courts will agree with us.”

It probably won’t surprise you to hear that Conyers’ argument is more compelling.

As Slate’s Dahlia Lithwick explained a while back, the White House’s legal argument is, in effect, that executive privilege extends to everyone who has ever spoken to the president about anything.

This little gem of an argument was cooked up by the White House last July when the Senate judiciary committee sought the testimony of former White House political director Sara Taylor, as well as that of former White House counsel Harriet Miers, in connection with the firing of nine U.S. attorneys for partisan ideological reasons. Taylor was subpoenaed in June and, according to her lawyers, she wanted to testify but was barred by White House counsel Fred Fielding’s judgment that the president could compel her to assert executive privilege and forbid her testimony. As Bruce Fein argued in Slate, that dramatic over-reading of the privilege would both preclude congressional oversight of any sort and muzzle anyone who’d ever communicated with the president, regardless of their wish to talk.

Besides, if the president had nothing to do with the U.S. Attorney scandal, as lawmakers are already inclined to believe, then what is there to be kept confidential between the president and his senior advisors?

As for the civil suit, David Kurtz argues that Dems may not be handling this as well as they should.

I just glanced through the pleading very quickly, but it struck me as odd that the House hasn’t brought in outside counsel to handle this case (at least not of record in the case). This could very well become the seminal case on the true scope of executive privilege, so the implications extend far beyond the U.S. Attorney scandal, which is what the subpoenas seek information about. The balance of power between Congress and the Presidency is at stake. These are structural constitutional issues. This case will almost certainly go up on appeal, probably all the way to the Supreme Court.

It seems to me you would want a team of the country’s best constitutional and appellate lawyers on the case from the outset, unencumbered by the usual business that the House Counsel’s Office faces.

Something to keep an eye on.

Davuid Kurtz, of course, is assuming that the House Democrats have the collective brains to find the zipper on their collective fly with a 3-hour advance notice.

That is, as they say in the legal profession, “a fact not in evidence.”

  • the White House’s legal argument is, in effect, that executive privilege extends to everyone who has ever spoken to the president about anything

    Of course it is. And the reason for that is that Nancy Pelosi sucks. Every time the whitehouse says FU, Peolsi says “oh my, that’s unacceptable” and then she does nothing to really enforce the rule of law.

    Nothing.

    We need to get rid of Pelosi and her friends, but that will take awhile. By that time we’ll all probably be rotting in a gulag somewhere.

  • How can anyone make a case for the White House in this matter. Go to the public, and ask them if the President can enact “executive privilege” on every single matter, regardless of anything else. If a Democrat is in office at the time, every single American you ask this question of will be a resounding “NO WAY!”. However, if you ask this question to the public with Bush in the White House, you will still get a no from most people, but a significant protion of Repubilcans DO agree that Bush should be able to use “executive privilege” any time he wants.

    As for the legal and political ramifications from this, Dave Kurtz makes an interesting case, but he leaves out the fact that the White House is 100% wrong here, and it’s abuse of power, the dismissing of laws and the Consitution, and most fragile, the trust of Americans at large that FORCE the Democrats to take this in house manner of action. It’s way past time the Dem’s started to stand up to Bush, and I wholly welcome their course of action.

  • Constitutionally speaking, this WH crowd under that lil’Bush is nothing but crooks and traitors. I can’t wait to kick the Bush minions to the curb this November ’08.

  • U.S. Attorney scandal

    I’m still wondering where the scandal is. Sec. 541 of Title 28 authorizes the President to appoint (with advice and consent of the Senate) U.S. Attorneys, and get rid of them; nowhere does it say a reason needs to be provided for either case, even political ones (U.S. Attorneys are political appointees; it makes sense that political reasons can be applied; it also means the Senate should ferret this stuff out when they conduct hearings on each nominee).

    If anybody should be held in contempt it is Alberto Gonzales, for attempting to provide a reason, and then screwing up what he said.

    Otherwise, this is nothing but another in a long laundry list of big nothings.

  • “We will not allow the administration to steamroll Congress.”

    What a joke. I’d take Conyers more seriously if he donned a little beanie cap with a propeller when he said this.

  • So the president appoints killers who kill and continue to kill and the only way to remove them is for the president to agree? Are you nuts?

  • Not sure about the idea of outside counsel… Sure, in theory it sounds good, but aren’t most of the ‘top rung’ lawyers fairly well affiliated with one party or the other (at least by practice, if not by personal preference)?

    Unfortunately, the extreme politicization of this country leads that to be a rather legitimate issue– if the House was to choose a Democratic-affiliated lawyer or lawyers, the reich-wing would be crying foul, and if they chose a Republifuck-affiliated lawyer or lawyers, everyone would be saying that Congress was just playing lapdog yet again…

    Maybe I’m off-base here, but it seems better to me to leave potential political interests at the doorstep on this one. Constitutionally, unless the Supremes play 2000 all over again (wouldn’t surprise me), I don’t think that the Courts like people playing on their turf, so this should be a relatively easy win up to that level…

  • This case is no lightweight, that’s for sure. The White House position is that “the law is what we say it is and nobody can tell us otherwise.” If the Supremes agree when it gets to them, then the democratic process and the rule of law in this country will come to an end, for all intents and purposes. We can only hope that the next Emperor/Empress will be more benevolent than the one we have in office now.

  • I just can’t fathom the workings (if that applies here) of a mind (again, if that applies) that can’t understand that using the US attorneys to selectively prosecute political opponents, and firing and replacing those who, like Iglesias of Arizone, declined to do so ardently enough, is scandalous and counter to the American tridition of equal justice before the law.

  • i guess SteveIL hasn’t been paying attention all these months. -justbill

    SteveIL pays attention just like Gonzales, Mukasey and McConnell, then he pretends to be a simpleton, just as they do.

  • “We will not allow the administration to steamroll Congress.”

    SINCE WHEN???

    That’s right, since before the dimocrats took control in January of 2007 – when Nancy (closet repugnican) declared “impeachment is off the table”.

    As Nancy declared a unilateral surrender to the Bush Crime Family prior to taking over officially as ‘squeaker of the house’, the Bush Admin has continuously steamrolled Congress!

    The average ‘shelf life’ of Pelosi or Reid or other of the DLC leadership pretending to stand up to Bush has been about 18 hours. Provide me any reasons to believe that any of them has suddenly discovered a stronger spine than Arlen Specter.

    Impeach Bush!
    Impeach Cheney!
    Impeach Condi!
    Impeach every damn one of them AND their repugnican & dumbocrat enablers of the last 7 years. Then turn Bush & Cheney & Rumsfeld & others over to an international tribunal for trial on “Crimes Against Humanity”.

    Only then will I believe that any rethugnican or dimocrap politician is standing up for the oath that they took! You know – that one about swearing to “protect and preserve the Constitution of the United States and to uphold the laws of the United States”!!!

  • just bill, Capt. Kirk, did you actually read the statute I linked to before making your “analysis”? Where in the statute does it say that a reason needs to be provided to appoint or get rid of a U.S. Attorney? Or, for that matter, which statute does it say a reason needs to be provided? Since I am bringing up the legal statute, and “liberals” are all for the “rule of law”, tell me where in the law it says anything related to the “why” of hiring and dismissing of U.S. Attorneys.

  • Congress is not restricted to investigating crimes, so whether crimes were committed is immaterial.

    It’s helpful not to forget that, while the US attorney’s serve “at the pleasure of the President”, they are appointed “with the advice and consent of the Senate”. This has always been the case, except for a brief time after 9/11 when the White House sneaked a provision (since repealed) into a bill that allowed the WH to appoint them without approval from the Senate. This was intended to provide for continuity of government in the event of a disaster.

    The WH firing and replacement, with GOP hacks, of the the US attorneys, was an attempt to create an environment where Democrats would be subject to investigations, having those investigations leaked to influence elections, and prosecutions while Republicans got free passes.

    It was part of Rove’s plan to create a “permanent Republican majority”, AKA GOP one-party rule.

  • The WH firing and replacement, with GOP hacks, of the the US attorneys, was an attempt to create an environment where Democrats would be subject to investigations, having those investigations leaked to influence elections, and prosecutions while Republicans got free passes.

    It was part of Rove’s plan to create a “permanent Republican majority”, AKA GOP one-party rule. While the administration hasn’t provided all of the documents, they have provided thousands and thousands and thousands of pages of material. What’s come up? Zilch. Even with Conyers subcontracting the work out (at a cost to taxpayers of $250,000 of unbudgeted money), nothing. You know why? Because none of that is true.

    And what has actually happened? Democrats using the courts to steal elections or disenfranchise voters (Gore v. Harris, Christine Gregoire, Barack Obama, Al Sharpton); no Democrat indicted on any Abramoff-related charges, although plenty were associated with Abramoff and/or his “colleagues” (Harry Reid); nobody investigating the possible long-time criminality of Harry Reid, John Murtha, Nancy Pelosi, and on and on and on. Even with the Siegelman case, he’s in jail because he’s guilty of committing crimes. Period. Other than Siegelman, why do you think these guys are still in office or not in prison? Gee, maybe I could say something just as intelligent as the Rove comment and that it is “part of the Democratic Party’s plan to create a permanent Democrat majority, AKA Dem one-party rule.” We had that from 1933 to 1947, 1949 to 1953, 1961 to 1969, 1977 to 1981, and 1993 to 1995; the U.S. is still paying for the idiocies from those years. Other than the years comprising U.S. involvement in WWII, the rest of those years were disasters as far as adding government waste on waste on waste.

    It’s nothing but a fishing expedition based on a pathetic conspiracy theory, worthy of the liars who still peddle the “magic bullet” and the moronic Truthers. There’s nothing, except more waste of money by a dinosaur Democrat.

  • Anybody else wondering if SteveIL’s mother was frightened by Mayor Daly while carrying the prenatal Steve?

    That was, to use a technical term, a “farrago of nonsense”.

    There’s one thing I have to disagree with in particular (although it’s all garbage):

    When you say “maybe I could say something just as intelligent as the Rove comment”

    No. You couldn’t. Live with your shortcomings.

  • Charles, Charles, Charles. Tsk, tsk, tsk, tsk, tsk. You got nothing so you have to drag my mother into this? Class, man, real class.

  • SteveIL,

    I said nothing derogatory about your mother. Mayor Daly was scary.

    I did, however, express a negative opinion of your ability to express yourself. If that pains you, perhaps you could take a course somewhere.

  • Charles, I didn’t say you said anything derogatory about my mother (although I think you did, saying she could be frightened; my mom could have probably kicked Daley’s ass), but you did bring her into it. And if you have a negative opinion of my abilities to express myself, what does that say of your abilities to do the same by dragging one’s mother into the mix? It is my opinion, sir, you have a low opinion of women. “Liberals” keep telling us how “tolerant” they are, and how they aren’t sexist. Blows that one out of the water, doesn’t it?

  • By the way, does anyone else know that every one (except maybe one) of those U.S. Attorneys that weren’t fired had served their 4-year terms, which is the length of the time a U.S. Attorney serves in that position as specified in Sec. 541 of Title 28?

  • A grand jury indictment is not the only way to begin criminal charges against someone. Anyone with sufficient facts to show probable cause that a crime has been committed can go before a Magistrate, make oath about those facts and have an arrest warrant issued.

    Congress is full of lawyers. They should know this. They should go before a magistrate and get the warrant. then they should demand that Mukasey appoint an independent prosecutor. If he doesn’t, they should file suit for writ of mandamus to compel him to.

    The Dems still aren’t looking for and pursuing routes that will lead to RESULTS. Instead they just seem like they want to posture and make it seem they are doing something, even if it is ineffective. I am so fed up with them.

    Ron Feinman
    Lynchburg, Virginia

  • SteveIL,

    We already knew you were reading impaired and incapable of forming a coherent argument. Now you’ve added more evidence that you are delusional.

  • We already knew you were reading impaired and incapable of forming a coherent argument. Now you’ve added more evidence that you are delusional. You bring my mother into this, and you accuse me of being reading impaired, incapable of forming a coherent argument, and delusional? Cut down on the meds, man.

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