House passes ‘compromise’ surveillance bill, 293-129

We knew it was coming, but that doesn’t make it any better.

The House Friday easily approved a compromise bill setting new electronic surveillance rules that effectively shield telecommunications companies from lawsuits arising from the government’s terrorism-era warrantless eavesdropping on phone and computer lines in this country.

The bill, which was passed on a 293-129 vote, does more than just protect the telecoms. The update to the 30-year-old Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act is an attempt to balance privacy rights with the government’s responsibility to protect the country against attack, taking into account changes in telecommunications technologies.

Looking over the final roll call, most House Dems voted against the measure, while House Republicans were nearly unanimous in their support. Specifically, among Dems, 128 voted against it, while 105 voted for it. Among Republicans, 188 voted for it, and just one (Illinois’ Tim Johnson, whose work I’m not especially familiar with, was the lone GOP lawmaker to break ranks.)

Plenty of Dems spoke out forcefully against the bill, but the one quote that stands out most for me came before the debate began. Sen. Chris Bond (R-Mo.), who negotiated with House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer (D-Md.) on the legislation, told the NYT, “I think the White House got a better deal than they even they had hoped to get.”

When the White House, which isn’t exactly known for its timidity when making demands of Congress, gets more out of a negotiation that it expected, it’s a safe bet it’s not much of a “compromise.”

The ACLU’s press release hit all the right notes.

“It’s Christmas morning at the White House thanks to this vote. The House just wrapped up some expensive gifts for the administration and their buddies at the phone companies. Watching the House fall to scare tactics and political maneuvering is especially infuriating given the way it stood up to pressure from the president on this same issue just months ago. In March we thought the House leadership had finally grown a backbone by rejecting the Senate’s FISA bill. Now we know they will not stand up for the Constitution.

“No matter how often the opposition calls this bill a ‘compromise,’ it is not a meaningful compromise, except of our constitutional rights. The bill allows for mass, untargeted and unwarranted surveillance of all communications coming in to and out of the United States. The courts’ role is superficial at best, as the government can continue spying on our communications even after the FISA court has objected. Democratic leaders turned what should have been an easy FISA fix into the wholesale giveaway of our Fourth Amendment rights.

“More than two years after the president’s domestic spying was revealed in the pages of the New York Times, Congress’ fury and shock has dissipated to an obedient whimper. After scrambling for years to cover their tracks, the phone companies and the administration are almost there. This immunity provision will effectively destroy Americans’ chance to have their deserved day in court and will kill any possibility of learning the extent of the administration’s lawless actions. The House should be ashamed of itself. The fate of the Fourth Amendment is now in the Senate’s hands. We can only hope senators will show more courage than their colleagues in the House.”

No word yet on what to expect from the Senate. Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid’s office said yesterday, “Senator Reid believes this version is better than the bill the Senate passed in February and much better than the Protect America Act signed by the President last summer, but he remains opposed to retroactive immunity and is reviewing the bill in its entirety.”

I’d just add one thing. I know precisely why House Dems felt it necessary to cave on this — they’re scared. Dems are in a good position to do well in November, and they don’t want to hand Republicans a cudgel. By accepting the “compromise,” Democratic lawmakers hope to take away a GOP talking point about being “soft” on counter-terrorism. I get that.

But here’s the thing Dems always seem to forget: Republicans are going to say that anyway. Caving doesn’t make it better; it makes it worse. I’m always amazed that this point is lost on the party.

ARGH!!!

That’s all I’ve got to say at this point.

  • Obama, why have you foresaken us?

    oh well, i guess i’ll have time to run some errands on election day now

  • 41 Senators could stop this if they have the courage and love of country to do it. If not, then maybe the Supreme Court has something to say.

    In any event. This is unconstitutional. The Fourth Amendment is pretty damn clear:

    Amendment IV

    The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

  • Problem is, people are stupid, respond only to 12-second sound bites, and both sides know it. It’s much easier for people to respond to “SOFT ON TERRORISM” rather than a nuanced, well-informed piece of advice on the telecom issue.

  • Republicans are going to say that anyway.

    Bingo!! And while defenders of the compromise insist that it doesn’t let the White House off the hook, the next thing we will hear is “executive privelege.” Because that’s what they always say anyway.

  • Either they were afraid, or enough were knee deep in it to be at legal risk, or they were just bought and paid for.

    Any reasonable reading of the recent special elections would indicate that a strong position against bush excesses is an electoral winner so if it was fear, then it was an incoherent fear unsupported by the facts.

    Pathetic, in any case.

  • Majority Leader Steny Hoyer needs to go. Between him and Reid we don’t stand a chance on anything.

  • “Consider a Congreesman. then consider an idiot. ah, but I repeat myself.”
    — Mark Twain

    The House of Representatives, easily the dumbest and worst part of the government. Followed closely by the spineless scum in the Senate.

    Bye-bye, constitutional republic. Hello, imperial police state.

  • I’ve said it before: for those who have been incorrectly spelling the name “Steney Hoyer,” it’s actually “Steney WHORE.”

    Reid, on the other hand, plans for vote against this, has told Democrats in the Senate it is not something he is holding them to vote for for unity, and pretty much doing everything he can to stop it there without saying so explicitly.

    As bad as Pelosi is, can you imagine where we’d be with Speaker Whore???

  • i no longer think it was capitulation. as somebody brought up somewhere else, why did they stand strong in feb, only to back down now? i think that is a joe lieberman/ned lamont think. they feared primary races from the left any who gives a damn about the Constitution, and now that that threat is over, they cram this travesty in 28 hours on a friday, so hopefully no one remembers it. and what will those people do – vote republican? they aren’t backing down – they wanted to pass it.

    the gravest threat to our republic is the two party system.

  • Fucking Democrats!! I’m so tired of those goddamn pussies refusing to stand together!!!

  • Look at what being afraid of what Repubs would say did for Hillary Clinton. The lesson of that particular 2002 vote hasn’t sunk in yet.

    Do what is right, not what is politically expedient, you jackasses.

  • Johnson is my rep. (IL-15) He votes for any tax cut he can, without trying to balance the budget. He supports court-stripping measures on cases concerning the Establishment Clause. He prefers his pork with an Educational sauce, since U of Illinois is in his district. He’s anti-abortion. He’s basically a bog-standard repub, except on this issue. He has consistantly opposed warrantless wiretapping. He claims to be part of his party that is willing to be bipartisan, but it seems to be all air and no action.
    His district is east-central and south-central Illinios- very liberal in Champaign-Urbana, lots of conservative farm country to the south. He’s won his last two elections 60/40, and will probably do the same this year. The Dem is a no-namer.

    This could be a bit of payback on his part for losing Future-Gen, a major clean-coal plant (or something like that) that independent study groups said should be put in Mattoon. When the White House found it wasn’t going to go to Texas, they axed the whole project.

  • This is easily the most depressing day since November 3rd, 2004. We’ve given away FISA and the rule of law on top of having already given away habeas corpus last year.

    Does this bill have to go back to the Senate again? Why isn’t Obama standing up against it? As the nominee, shouldn’t he have a lot of clout to affect things? Why isn’t he campaigning against this? He’s the most credible voice we have for articulating our case.

    Why can’t Democrats realize that caving to fear of Republican attacks is weakness. They cannot claim to be strong if they keep doing this. Obama should know this – why isn’t he of all people doing anything? Is there anything anyone can do?

  • Hello, imperial police state. -Tom Cleaver

    One minor change:

    Hello, imperial police state, sponsored by AT&T and Wal*Mart.

    How can it be any clearer to the American populace that we have a corporatocracy?

  • Chris Dodd said a while back that he would filibuster and do whatever else was in his power to stop retroactive immunity. Are there forty other Senators with spines? If we can start the count with Sen. Obama, perhaps there are.

    Barak – we’re waiting for your leadership.

  • we need to send a message. i say a total and absolute boycott on all contributions for all democrats, starting now. depending on when the senate takes this up, perhaps Obama will get the message in time, and get 41 senators in line.

  • Here is what I wrote my congressmen Ben ‘the coward’ Chandler:

    It appears you have capitulated to moneyed interests and republican fear tactics and voted for telecom immunity. I am outraged, disgusted, and ashamed that you failed to stand up for the 4th amendment of the Constitution.

    I hold you and your fellow democrats that voted yeah in sheer and utter contempt. It appears that either you are solidly entrenched in the corporate corruption of Washington, or are simply a flat out coward and really do believe there is a terrorist boogeyman hiding under your bed.

    Needless to say, you have lost my vote. Permanently.

    Without any due respect, your ashamed constituent,

    I encourage everyone else to do the same.

  • “…I’d just add one thing. I know precisely why House Dems felt it necessary to cave on this — they’re scared. Dems are in a good position to do well in November, and they don’t want to hand Republicans a cudgel. By accepting the “compromise,” Democratic lawmakers hope to take away a GOP talking point about being “soft” on counter-terrorism. I get that….”

    I disagree…they aren’t scared, they are bought. They right now are being carpet bombed with campaign donations from the telecoms. They KNOW that they will win huge dem majorities in the house and senate and have a dem president. They knew they could have written a real compromise to last for 7mos till Bush left office and then could have written exactly the kind of bill they wanted…but instead made this one to last for 5yrs. You lose sight of the real issue here and it has little to do with security protection.

    It’s the telecom immunity silly. It protects Bush from corruption charges, prevents us from finding out what this administration and the telecoms have ‘really’ been doing. Remember the hospital scene with Ashcroft and Comey and the threat of the top tier of the DoJ resigning??? That is all this has ever been about. Congress could have easily fixed any surveillance flaws in FISA specifically…but Bush vowed to veto ANY FISA legislation that did not include telecom immunity. Security has never been the issue…it was always telecom immunity and protecting Bush from discovery of what these two have been doing because it violated many of the laws of this country and now will never be found out thanks to Congress. Enough money is what got this passed. It’s deceitful, dishonest and just plain pathetic that once again the big business lobbyists have written our laws.

    What is not being mentioned is that this will enable Bush to break any law he wants and covers him retroactively and all big business buddies too if they can say the president told us too and it was for our nation’s protection. Blackwater, KBR, all contractors…this FISA fix sold out the rule of law which is now determined by presidential decree.

  • President Lindsay:

    I did it. It’s quick and easy.

    Senator, please use your position as the leader of the Democratic Party to stop the FISA bill just passed by the House. If only forty of your colleagues will follow your lead, this repeal of one of our basic civil rights (the Fourth Amendment) can be stopped in the Senate by filibuster.

    I also oppose the retroactive immunity that this bill all but guarantees for companies who knowingly aided the Administration in its illegal surveillance.

    Please. We need your leadership now.

  • Do what is right, not what is politically expedient, you jackasses.

    They’re not doing either.

    There is no constituency screaming for telecom immunity. None. The people calling for additional surveillance are a handful of fringe freaks trying to justify their wholly discredited political philosophy. The entire country is pushing back against the Bush administration and its tactics of fear and intimidation.

    Today almost half the House Dems not only sold out the Constitution, civil liberties and the rule of law; they did it for no vote-gaining reason.

  • My two cents to Obama:

    Senator Obama: As you may well know by now, Congress has given the telecoms immunity from prosecution for their illegal spying activities on us Americans. We elected a Congress in 2006 to stop this madness, and it is painfully obvious they value special interests over the Constitution. I shudder to think what the Founding Fathers would say and do if they were here to witness such a travesty. Not to mention the countless American lives that have been lost fighting for our supposed freedoms, freedoms that have been systematically gutted by Bu$h and his handlers, with a spineless Congress henpecked and sidelined.
    I call for you to make a principled stand and stop this bill in the Senate. Change, your mantra, starts here. To stand up to this blatant and sickening violation of our Constitution would most certainly only help in your efforts to become President. The question you have to ask yourself is this: What kind of country do you want to govern? A banana republic, borderline fascist, or a democratic republic?
    Sincerely,

  • Okie: Good on ya for the suggested message. Maybe if we all email lots of folks with this same idea Barack will get the message.

  • Cleaver…comment #10…Don’t be fooled by Reid. He was the one who started this fiasco in the first place by bringing the bill to the floor that included telecom immunity and pushed for it’s passage. He is being deceitful because he will only vote against it once he knows it has enough votes to pass and his vote won’t matter. Once he is sure there will be no consequences. Remember he would not even respect Dodd’s hold on the original bill yet respected every hold repubs ever put on any bill.

    Reid is as complicit as Pelosi or Hoyer or Rockefeller. Hell Hoyer even loudly rejected a few months ago what he now heralds about breaking the rule of law. Perhaps Reid is trying to get more telecom money by publicly waivering on his support, but he is all for this FISA rights giveaway. There are not even 40 members of the millionaires club to filibuster and Barack Obama’s silence is deafening. What leadership??

  • And to add to my comment at #23, many of those who voted “yes” on this abomination come from solidly blue districts where they had no chance of even being significantly questioned about a
    “no” vote. Two that pop out are Rahm Emanuel and Luis Gutierrez. Emanuel, DLC loser that he is, is bad enough, but what the hell is with Gutierrez?

    Emanuel even had the freaking nerve to issue a statement baldly proclaiming that this “protects civil liberties” and admonishing us that we can’t let the “perfect be the enemy of the good.” Evidently the Pollyannaishly perfect Constitution is now the enemy of what Rahm deems good. Tool.

  • But here’s the thing Dems always seem to forget: Republicans are going to say that anyway. Caving doesn’t make it better; it makes it worse.

    Precisely. The drilling for oil issue is a perfect example of what CB is saying here. The oil companies aren’t drilling on 75 percent of the federal land they already lease, but according to the Republicans, gasoline prices are the Dems fault because we won’t give them leases in Alaska and Florida.

    The fact that it’s bullshit doesn’t keep the Republicans for saying it. Time to stop caving and start raising hell with the media when they report Republican talking points as accurate conventional wisdom.

  • I agree with “joey” the Congress was bought by the Republicans and telecoms. Steney Hoyer,& N. Pelosi have wanted to have this arrangement from the beginning.
    Again Congress is only political ; not principled ( except for those that voted Nay)

    Murtha should be ashamed of himself for being so pro politics and so anti -Americans freedom.

    How can we expect Bush /Cheney Cabal to be held accountable for the War Crimes committed.? This congress’ back bone will not comply with the laws. It prefers to l capitulate with the devil. so to assuage their greed for money……

    As for caving in to the Republicans NO the democrats would have been better off voting against Bush. He gave them $$$ and they fell for it.

  • nerpzilla said: Obama, why have you foresaken us?

    A brief civics lesson for you: this vote was in THE HOUSE.
    Obama is in THE SENATE.

    HOUSE does not equal SENATE, which means they are two different things. What Obama did or did not do is irrelevant to how 109 Democrats abandoned their oath to uphold the Constitution.

    Glad I could help you out there.

  • I doubt nerpzilla was confusing the House and Senate. More likely he or she is wondering about the leader of our party’s deafening silence on this issue and his spokesperson’s incredible statement one hour ago that he doesn’t know where Obama stands on this bill.

  • This will go a long way to make the Nuremberg Defense of “I was just following orders” acceptable again.

    On the other hand if Obama becomes president all of this dictatorial power will become his. This little wrinkle was not given a whole lot of thought by the Republicans. But I have noticed that long term thinking is not highly prized by the Republicans.

  • Oh, lovely. Nancy Boyda voted for it, too, after making such a big production about this terrible “play to fear” and the “very core of our democracy” being threatened. Thanks, Nancy.

  • Hey Chris of Atlanta –

    Since you bring it up in comment #28, I wonder how coastal drilling really plays in Florida. Did McCain just give Obama an opening in FL to say he’s against offshore drilling, thus getting more votes there?

    I think drilling has something like 60% support nationally. What about in this one important swing state? Anyone know?

  • All bought – every last one of them – it’s so engrained in our political system now that we can no longer call this a democracy…truly disgusting.

  • Pelosi voted “YEA”. I can understand Hoyer, but Pelosi?!! Why the hell
    did she vote for this? I can’t believe some of the other names for this…

  • There is no democracy in America. It is a corporatocracy and the instructions to quit fucking around had come down. ShrubCo is winding down, (in theory). It looks like the Dem candidate might really be president and the Telco’s couldn’t stand the suspense and they couldn’t stand the thought of really being held accountable for their underhanded and blatantly illegal activities.

    We keep pleading with the Dems not to be wienies. Stand up for what’s right and listen to the popular desire for accountability and openness.

    The telco’s don’t plead. They said, “Stand up straight, quit you f’ing whining about the heat you will catch from your useless f’n constituents and go vote us out of this shitbox we’re caught in. Do it now. STFU. Just do it.”

    So they did.

    The Marianas Trench has nothing at all on the depth of my contempt for the despicable Democrats in congress. And you know, the telco’s don’t have any more respect for them than I do.

  • Guy from Ohio-

    Barack Obama is the democratic presidential nominee and the de facto leader of the party. if he would have brought his force to bear, and the money of the dnc, he may have been able to prevent this from coming to the floor, or had it defeated on a vote, or some kind of procedural mechanism. he is no longer just a senator. GW is not a member of the house or the senate, yet when he says jump, (up until this year) the republicans say “how high?” Obama could have done the same thing. in fact, with lieberman and a couple of other senators in the house, pragmatically, obama may have had more power to shut this thing down in the house than he does in the senate. his silence is a betrayal.

    you’re welcome for the realpolitik lesson.

  • In less than 2 years time, let’s run 105 candidates against the Democrats who voted for this bill. That’s the only real change they understand or care about.

    In other decades, I might say support Repubicans this autumn, but until that Party figures out whether it’s a religious fundamentalist, a neoconservative, or a traditional conservative, we can’t put them in power until they’ve finished purging and fixed these past 7+ years. So it’s internal purging of the Democrats that MUST occur during the mid-term elections of 2010.

  • “lieberman and a couple of other senators in the senate,” not “house.”

  • Coin toss scene from “No Country for Old Men”.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L0kVdEGklkc

    It so reminds me of the hapless f’ing Dems and their inability to decide shit until it comes down to someone threatening their very existence and then hoping, hoping, hoping they’ve made the right choice so this crazy, scary f’er doesn’t snuff out their little chickenshit brain.

  • Corporate Dems committing treason to our Constitution. I knew that goosestepping Repubs love to march in lockstep with the worthless lying traitor-boy Bush and hie telecom buds, didn’t know that Dems did, too. Puke.

  • More likely he or she is wondering about the leader of our party’s deafening silence on this issue and his spokesperson’s incredible statement one hour ago that he doesn’t know where Obama stands on this bill.

    That’s an invitation if I ever saw one. Let Obama know where YOU want him to stand on this bill!

    http://my.barackobama.com/page/s/contact2

    See Okie and Citizen Pain @ 22 & 24 for ideas, if you don’t want to tax your brain. But rattle Obama’s cage today! Takes a minute and might wake him up.

  • I’d just add one thing. I know precisely why House Dems felt it necessary to cave on this — they’re scared. Dems are in a good position to do well in November, and they don’t want to hand Republicans a cudgel. By accepting the “compromise,” Democratic lawmakers hope to take away a GOP talking point about being “soft” on counter-terrorism. I get that.

    Bullshit. If you look through donations for those 105, I bet you will find that the vast majority sold us out to the telecoms for a pittance. It’s amazing what elected officials are willing to sell for $1k here and $10k there.

  • ……..Although he will try to remove the immunity from the bill if that’s any consolation. He should know that there are not 40 spines in Congress, let alone the Senate.

  • So, Obama has clearly signaled that his administration will be the same as Bill Clinton’s, live and let live, no punishment for past crimes, all in the name of moving forward. Clean up the messes Bush has made without getting any credit, try to operate amid constant attacks from the Republican machine, and then watch the Republican brand resuscitate itself in time to take control of Congress again in 4-8 years; I’ve seen this movie before and I didn’t like it in the ’90s. Why?

  • All 105 Dems who voted for this bill should be routed out of office.

    And Shalimar, you may not have liked the 90’s but it was certainly a better time than the Bush Administrations hellish desent into despotism.

  • I didn’t say that I didn’t like the ’90s, I said I didn’t like the whole rise of Limbaugh/Gingrich rightwing-nutcase part of the ’90s and I don’t want to see these screwed-up people rehabilitated and dominating our public discourse again. The last 4 years hasn’t been even remotely good, but at least Bush has succeeded in temporarily destroying the brand.

  • What I don’t understand is most people who posted can’t believe the democrats supported the bill. Not all Democrats supported the bill… and on the flip side nearly ALL republicans supported the bill. Is it ok for Republicans to vote for this bill because that is what is expected?

    Either way they are all crooks

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